FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

[Edward Yang]

Mark Eggers wrote:

>Let me see if I can shed a little light on this.  I can possibly tell
>you how to shut things down as well.  I use KDE, so your commands may be
>a bit different.
>
>On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 12:45 +0800, Edward Yang wrote:
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>>I am *not* exagerating. Please look at the attached screenshot for
>>detail:
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>>1. I think eggcups is the process for printing. Why it takes up more
>>than 40mb memory? On Windows 2000, the spooler printing service takes
>>up only a little more than 4mb memory and less than 3mb virtual
>>memory.
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>This is virtual memory, which if I recall correctly includes all of the
>shared libraries the program references.  The actual physical memory for
>printing is about 7.8 MB on my machine.  Certainly it's not the lightest
>application in the bunch, but it's by far not the biggest.
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>>2.  And, eggcups belongs to my session. I am not familiar with the
>>terminal concept. I guess if a user logs on thru a dumb terminal,
>>he/she will get his/her own eggcups; and 40mb memory will reduced from
>>the server. Is my guess true?
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>Again, I doubt that you will use an additional 40 MB.  However you
>probably will use an additional 7.8 MB.
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>>3. If I 'kill nnn', where nnn is the pid of eggcups, it somehow
>>respawns. How can I stop this? Anyway I don't want printing service
>>right now, I am just learning programming on Linux.
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>You can turn off printing for the entire box.  In KDE, the menu entry is
>under System Settings-->Server Settings-->Services.  You'll want to turn
>off cups, cups-config-daemon, and cups-lpd if it is enabled.
>
>In general, you can save memory by eliminating unneeded services, much
>like you would mark services as manual or disabled under Windows.
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>>4. I don't want xscreensaver, because I am running FC3 inside
>>Microsoft Virtual PC. How to stop it?
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>In Gnome, the default desktop, you can disable screen savers under
>Preferences --> Screensaver
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>>5. What is gnome-vfs/esd? Are they a must to for a user session?
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>I think gnome-vfs is the Gnome virtual file system.  This is probably a
>must if you're running Gnome (which is the default user interface).  esd
>is the Enlightened Sound Daemon.  In addition to providing sound support
>for other Gnome applications, it also provides sounds for alerts and
>other system functions.  If you want to turn off sound alerts, you can
>do this in Preferences --> Sound
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>>Please forgive me if my post aroused some kind of holy debate. I come
>>from Windows world, it's inevitable for me to compare Linux/FC with
>>Windows. But I will appreciate very much if someone can help me,
>>instead of just saying 'Only newbies don't understand' or even 'Only
>>morons don't understand'.
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>Now, about your way of asking questions.  As been pointed out by many on
>the list, your way of asking questions is considered trolling.  Here are
>the reasons.
>
>1. You use a general topic
>2. You use inflammatory words (sucks)
>3. You've not taken much (if any) time to understand how the Gnome 
>   desktop works.
>4. Your questions are not questions, but complaints.
>
>If you had phrased your query along the following lines, then you might
>have gotten a better response.
>
>I am running Fedora Core 3 as a VM process under a Microsoft Virtual PC.
>As such, memory is in very short supply.  I would like to know how to
>reduce the memory footprint.
>
>a) Can I disable cups?  If so, how?
>b) Can I disable sound?  If so, how?
>c) Can I disable the screen saver?  If so, how?
>d) What other steps can I take to reduce Fedora's memory footprint 
>   running in this environment?
>e) Where can I learn more about
>   1) The Gnome desktop (which is not the same as Linux or Fedora)
>   2) Linux in general
>   3) Programming on Linux (both console and GUI applications)
>
>Since some of these answers are easily found via Google, showing that
>you've at least spent some effort demonstrates good faith.
>
>This is an open source environment, and on this list we all contribute
>freely during our spare time.  For example, it's 1:38 AM as I write
>this.  I am writing this because I want to help, and I also want to
>increase the signal/noise ratio of this mailing list.
>
>In return, I want some demonstration from you (the questioner) that you
>will put at least as much effort into learning about this environment as
>I have put in writing this message.
>
>While I don't expect it, a thank you wouldn't hurt either.
>
>----
>/mde/
>just my two cents . . . .
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Thanks for replying. You can see I thanked everyong for *useful* response.

But I want to write response to your post:

>1. You use a general topic
Really? Does 'It takes up too much memory!' a generic topic?

>2. You use inflammatory words (sucks)
I tend to use this word at bad software. My personal taste.

I swear the following statement is true:

I see many more inflammatory words in Linux community, but I see none in Windows community in my 7 years of Internet life.

>3. You've not taken much (if any) time to understand how the Gnome desktop works.
What do you define the word 'newbie'?

>4. Your questions are not questions, but complaints.

Okay, you are 50% correct, and 50% wrong. Read my first post carefully - 
it contains both complaints and questions.

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