Why I think FC3 sucks!

[Jeff Vian]

On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 21:28 +0800, Edward Yang wrote:
> Pasha wrote: 
> > Edward Yang wrote: 
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> > > Pasha wrote: 
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> > > > Edward Yang wrote: 
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> > > > > Pasha wrote: 
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> > > > > > > > > 5. I am a newbie on Linux, but I already find a few
> > > > > > > > > bugs. For example, in gnome-termial, if I set DEL to
> > > > > > > > > ASCII DEL in the profile settings, it actualy acts
> > > > > > > > > like BACKSPACE. This bug may be specific only to
> > > > > > > > > gnome, but since it's bundled with FC3, so I attribute
> > > > > > > > > the problem to FC3. It's quite reasonable. 
> > > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > Never had such problem with any version of linux i
> > > > > > > > tried. Either stop tweaking options you don't understand
> > > > > > > > or (again) it is an emulator that needs tweaking. BTW,
> > > > > > > > in my terminal, backspace is configured to generate
> > > > > > > > ASCII DEL, and del to escape sequence and I never
> > > > > > > > changed this. So, you probably just configured del to be
> > > > > > > > a backspace. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What do you define the word 'bug' in software world? In my
> > > > > > > dictionary, bug at least means one thing - it does not
> > > > > > > work as it should to work. Your above comment is like
> > > > > > > saying - that DEL option is the ears of a deaf, don't use
> > > > > > > it! 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Where is the bug here? You configure DEL to be BACKSPACE and
> > > > > > complain that it generates BACKSPACE. Change your setting to
> > > > > > default and it will work as you expect it to work. This
> > > > > > option is probably for compatibility with some terminals,
> > > > > > where DEL works as backspace. If you don't want it to act
> > > > > > that way, don't configure it so. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > Can you read???????????????? I said: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > if I set DEL to ASCII DEL 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > First, there is no need to shout. 
> > > > Second, please turn off HTML when you post to this list. In
> > > > Thunderbird composition window, select Options/Format/Plain
> > > > Text. 
> > > > 
> > > > If you look more closely, you can see that ASCII DEL is also
> > > > generated by backspace. For me this means, that if I set Del to
> > > > the same setting as backspace, it will act the same way as
> > > > backspace. Also, you may be surprised, but originally ASCII DEL
> > > > (and delete key) acted as backspace. I don't remember where it
> > > > was changed, probably in MS-DOS. Anyway, there are a lot of
> > > > hints telling that you should not touch that setting at all. In
> > > > any case this is not a bug. 
> > > > 
> > > Okay, I like posting in HTML, which is not forbid by law; it's
> > > only the usual custom to post in plain text, I choose not to
> > > follow it. If you can't read it, please ignore me. 
> > > 
> > > ASCII DEL = ASCII 7 and ASCII BS = 8. 
> > > 
> > > Do you mean 7 == 8? 
> > 
> > 7 is ASCII BEL not DEL. This character produces a bell sound when
> > printed. ASCII DEL is 8 and is synonim of ASCII BS. 
> > 
> > Concerning HTML: If you search this list you'll find plenty of
> > explanations on why HTML is bad for posting on mailing lists. You
> > will also find some other rules. The most important, however is a
> > practical one: HTML postings are ignored (and in some cases
> > automatically deleted) by many members of the list, especially by
> > those who can actually help you. So, your chance to receive help in
> > this (and most others) mailing list is significantly reduced. 
> > 
> I was wrong when I said ASCII DEL = 7. It's actually 0x7f (127). May
> be you are right in that historcially DEL is same as BS in *nix world.
> I don't know that. But thanks for replying.
> 
> Sorry, I am a stubborn person. I still want to use HTML. If you can
> show me that this list REQUIRES its list members use plain text, I
> will follow the rule.

You can be stubborn if you wish.  I have no desire to look at ugly html
tags in my text mail reader that I prefer.

You will NEVER get help from me if you continue to post bloated and ugly
html to a list that by concensus prefers text.

Kill filters work wonders for those annoyances.

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