WARNING:DO NOT UPGRADE TO CORE 4

[Guy Fraser]

On Tue, 2005-12-07 at 03:25 +0200, harald kapper wrote:
> Fred Morcos schrieb:
> > well, im not against steven, fc3 is way much better than fc4.. i still 
> > experience hell a lot of problems in fc4 even after upgrading the whole 
> > system.. i dont know why all this happened, is it such bad testing? or 
> > the fedora team giving up on the project?? things/problems that happen 
> > aren't suppose to be happening.. i mean, fedora core 4 till now cant be 
> > a usable system anywhere (home, office, server, etc..)
> > no offence but i think that fc4 needs a lot more attention for the next 
> > 2 months to get everything tested, fixed and optimized as good as 
> > possible...
> > im wishing them good luck
> > -fred
> > 
> 
> hi
> imho this is a logical situation *yes* *really* no_joke.
> 
> fedora is - by the idea of redhat - the area of 
> bleeding-edge-development, where new things get introduced and tested.
> "they" simply rebase the kernelsource and apply patches and then this 
> kernel gets released - by the feedback of hundreds or thousands of users 
> redhat learns about their software and profit from the testing-process, 
> while "we" get a free solution and software, that we can use as we like 
> - now I have nothing against this deal - and the alternatives if you 
> don't like this deal are out there - just search for another distro :)
> 
> the latest enterprise linux was basically a fork out of fc3-testing, in 
> other words three development and testing cycles with a public userbase 
> in the tens or maybe even hundreds of thousands after their initial fork 
>   from good old RH9 / RHEL3. So it was in fact time for anybody who 
> wants a stable system to either move to RHEL4 or plan for upgrading 
> his/her systems with either fedoralegacy or by themselves or by whatever 
> other means.
Don't bet on it.

I spent the weekend transferring a RHL9 server to a new RHES4 server 
the package manager won't read the CD's. Someone else installed 
RHES on the machine and did not install any development tools, after 
messing around trying to get the package manager to work, I gave up 
and used up2date to get the development system. A few servers had 
config files that would not allow the server to run without 
modification. I am glad I did not authorize the purchase, I won't 
be suggesting it to anyone in the future.

> 
> now we all (I suspect) run more or less critical systems on fedora 
> (otherwise the testing would not be that good) and there is some reason 
> behind the late upgrading of critical servers - eg. our fedora based 
> webservers simply went from fc2 to fc3 a few weeks ago when fc2 retired 
> and we had enough information about fc3 gathered that we knew our 
> upgrades would go fine (and yet someone also forgot about the split-off 
> of php-gd from the core php-package).
> 
> on the other hand we still have systems running rh7, rh9 and even rh6 - 
> from mail to dns servers up to authentication servers (but hey those 
> boxes are well contained behind firewalls) and I guess like any other 
> decent sysadmin I can only advise you to plan migration, evaluate new 
> systems and simply forget about "ah new version - lets upgrade" :)
> 
> the only reason besides its being free for us to go core were the newer 
> libraries and especially web-developers do force us to have webservers 
> running the latest bells and whistles (ok I stop whining), but I'd never 
> even evaluate a not 100% supported system for critial services that 
> people start yelling at me if they don't work 24x7 - whereas webservers 
> in farms I still can turn a few off without a lot of complaints (but 
> thats me) for upgrading for a few minutes.
> 
> so in the redhat perspective I'd say fc4 is the newest and latest 
> testground (we have php5, new mysql and lots of other fancy stuff) and 
> whoever tried this first without testing - well - should probably 
> consider another job except sysadmin. and I like this, but we just did 
> upgrade to fc3 and will stay here for a while, in fact we will fork lots 
> of boxes to rhel4 in order to maintain a php4 base and as we see fc4 
> mature we will probably move servers up.
> 
> my 15 minutes :)
> 
> best
> harald kapper / http://kapper.net
> 
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