Livna Usability Assessment (Was: Re: cursed nvidia fedora my lack of knowledgeness)

[Christopher A. Williams]

On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 12:49 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 15.11.2005, 07:33 -0700 schrieb Christopher A.
> Williams:
> > On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 10:51 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 00:28, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > There's nothing unique about the use of the site. You shouldn't
> > > > > be at livna unless you already know that the program you want
> > > > > to install isn't in the core or extras repositories.  When you
> > > > > know about those repositories, you'll know all you need to
> > > > > know about livna except the config info. 
> > > > 
> > > > ...So, we shouldn't allow non-technical users the ability to do things
> > > > with Fedora like play Windows Media formats because they're not
> > > > technical enough to understand it. Nice...
> > > 
> > > No, I mean we shouldn't confuse them into thinking that livna is
> > > different even if they are too dumb to know better.  They should
> > > start by using fedora extras and then when livna works exactly
> > > the same way they won't have anything new to learn.  Livna is
> > > different only by policy, not by anything technical.
> > 
> > OK - Uncle.
> > 
> > You're right about all of it.
> > 
> > I hearby withdraw my offer to assist with Livna. Obviously, you guys
> > know how all users should interact with your system and it's so simple
> > anyone could figure it out themselves.
> 
> Just one question Christopher: Who do you mean with "you guys"? Les
> Mikesell is not involved with livna afaik (or did I miss anything
> here?). 

He isn't?...

My mistake then. Honestly, I really thought he was. I was left with that
perception anyway.

If he isn't representing Livna, then I have no need to withdraw an offer
to participate. I, like many, work a regular job beyond "The Community"
and peruse hundreds of e-mails per day (much from these lists) and
admittedly don't have a lot of patience for circular arguments.

I really do want to help and want to be reasonable, but I do want to
make real progress.

I'll switch over to the dedicated Livna channels and work on moving
forward from there.

Cheers,

Chris


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