"umount2 device is busy /d" What to do?
Randy Easley
REasley at Teleflora.com
Wed Aug 9 13:26:48 UTC 2006
During a reboot I'm getting umount2 device is busy /d
I don't understand why it is hanging? The other 4 partitions umount just
fine on reboot? All partitions are ext3. Anyone else have this?
Thanx
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: xinetd connections (Alexander Dalloz)
2. Re: Dictionary (Kaushal Shriyan)
3. Re: Bash scripting help... (Joe Klemmer)
4. Re: Bash scripting help... (Joe Klemmer)
5. About fedora-list. (chu hawk)
6. Re: Lost sound on my notebook after FC5 upgrade (Joe Klemmer)
7. FC5 : problem with printconf (Iwan Setyawan)
8. Re: glibc linker problem on FC5 (Jakub Jelinek)
9. kill a process (Kaushal Shriyan)
10. Re: Tired with M$ Windows? Use Linux (Steven Pasternak)
11. Re: kill a process (Wolfgang Leideck)
12. Emacs in Fedora 5 (Anders Davidsson)
13. How to find pavcl (Heikki Pesonen)
14. Re: Emacs in Fedora 5 (Deepak Shrestha)
15. Re: kill a process (Kaushal Shriyan)
16. Re: Upgrading a server to FC5 (Przemyslaw Gawronski)
17. Boot floppy for FC5 (Przemyslaw Gawronski)
18. Clearing hard disk's MBS (Przemyslaw Gawronski)
19. Re: Lost sound on my notebook after FC5 upgrade (tom poe)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 04:45:12 +0200
From: Alexander Dalloz <ad+lists at uni-x.org>
Subject: Re: xinetd connections
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <44D94C38.6050703 at uni-x.org>
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Devon Harding schrieb:
> On 8/8/06, Brian Chadwick <brianchad at westnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>> Devon Harding wrote:
>> > Is there a way I can find out how many xinetd connections are in
use?
>> >
>> > -Devon
>> netstat -a -p -A inet
>
> How would I get a round number of total connections?
Do a bit of piping output through other tools like grep and wc, or awk?
Alexander
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:05:51 +0530
From: "Kaushal Shriyan" <kaushalshriyan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dictionary
To: magicus at snet.net, "For users of Fedora Core releases"
<fedora-list at redhat.com>
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On 8/9/06, magicus <magicus at snet.net> wrote:
>
> Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
>
> > Do we have inbuilt dictionary on Linux
> >
> > Thanks and Regards
> >
> > Kaushal
>
> /usr/share/dict/words
>
> Or do you mean a dictionary with definitions?
>
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Yes dictionary with definitions
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:42:44 -0400
From: Joe Klemmer <klemmerj at webtrek.com>
Subject: Re: Bash scripting help...
To: vmarko at phy.bg.ac.yu, For users of Fedora Core releases
<fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1155094964.4142.51.camel at ra.webtrek.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 23:26 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> # arping -f -I eth0 $ipnumber | grep Unicast
> Unicast reply from 10.0.0.3 [00:0C:29:C8:DE:E2] 1.040ms
>
> but I am over my head in extracting just the number. I guess awk is
the
> tool, but the man page is not very illustrative and I do not have
> time/patience to learn to program in 'awk language' in order to do
> this thing. And C would probably be an overkill... :-)
I'm sure you got a bazillion answers to this alreadybut just for
fun
this is one way to do it (though up in less than 30 seconds) -
# arping -f -I eth0 $ipnumber | grep Unicast | awk '{print $5}' | tr -d
/\[\]/
No, it's not the best way to do it, but I like sticking awk in
anywhere
I can regardless of necessity. :-)
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:54:34 -0400
From: Joe Klemmer <klemmerj at webtrek.com>
Subject: Re: Bash scripting help...
To: vmarko at phy.bg.ac.yu, For users of Fedora Core releases
<fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1155095674.4142.57.camel at ra.webtrek.com>
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On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 00:17 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Thanks for help, everybody!! :-) I've got it working now. And when I
> (hopefully) find some spare time, I'll look into how cut, sed and awk
> actually work this thing out... ;-)
There are a number of good books on awk and sed but I still have
a warm
spot in my heart for the original book published in 1988 -
The AWK Programming Language
by Aho, Alfred V. / Kernighan, Brian W. / Weinberger, Peter J.
Here's a good list of awk (and sed) books from nerdbooks.com -
http://www.nerdbooks.com/search.php?search=global%5Bawk%5D%26display%3D%
5Bawk%5D
Side note: I recommend NerdBooks as they have the best prices and really
great support. On rare occasions they might not have a copy of what
you're looking for so then I suggest Bookpool.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:06:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: chu hawk <chu_hawk at yahoo.com>
Subject: About fedora-list.
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <20060809030612.49923.qmail at web57110.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Dear administrator,
I am learning linux now. In order to get newer
information of it, I want to join in fedora-list . I
hope you can satisfy my desire.
Thanks.
Yours
sincerely,
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:08:19 -0400
From: Joe Klemmer <klemmerj at webtrek.com>
Subject: Re: Lost sound on my notebook after FC5 upgrade
To: MSchwartz at mn.rr.com, For users of Fedora Core releases
<fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1155096500.16741.3.camel at ra.webtrek.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 07:06 -0500, Marc Schwartz wrote:
> > It's not a critical problem, obviously, because it took me
months
> > before I noticed it. But it would be nice to have sound on those
rare
> > occasions then I might want it. Any and all help is greatly
> > appreciated.
[...]
> Presuming that you are using GNOME, go into the menus:
Actually my normal desktop is Xfce (running Xfce 4.4b2) but I
have
tried testing everything under both GNOME and KDE with the same results.
> System -> Preferences -> Volume Control
>
> Then click on the 'Switches' tab and make sure that the "External
> Amplifier" check box is checked.
Done did that again just now and still no luck. The problem
might be
HW related as this eMachines laptop is falling apart (it's only 1 year
and 8 months old!!). I wish I could afford a new laptop but living on a
fixed income (and being legally homeless to boot) makes things like food
and clothes a higher priority. :-(
Thanks for responding, though.
--
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See my blog, sumo game ranks and other interesting junk
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:12:34 +0700
From: "Iwan Setyawan" <iwan.s.milis at gmail.com>
Subject: FC5 : problem with printconf
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi,
I'm having problem with printconf. If I try to run it, it dies with the
following message:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/sbin/printconf", line 9, in ?
import queueTree
File "/usr/share/printconf/util/queueTree.py", line 82, in ?
import pycups
ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pycupsmodule.so: undefined
symbol: cupsDoRequest
I'm using printconf and printconf-gui version 0.6.151.7-1.
I can still print normally.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
- Iwan
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:51:37 -0400
From: Jakub Jelinek <jakub at redhat.com>
Subject: Re: glibc linker problem on FC5
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 05:37:32PM -0700, Peter Scott wrote:
> I have experienced a recent problem: After updating glibc
> (using yum update glibc) I'm finding I can no longer compile C
> programs; they fail to link, yielding the error message
>
> /usr/lib/../lib64/libm.so: file not recognized: File format
> not recognized
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
That sounds like you upgraded to rawhide glibc on FC5; don't do that.
You'd need to upgrade several other packages as well, at least binutils,
prelink, gdb, elfutils.
Jakub
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:24:21 +0530
From: "Kaushal Shriyan" <kaushalshriyan at gmail.com>
Subject: kill a process
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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Hi ALL
I have to kill all processes which has owner as tester, If there any
specific command to that or i have to write script, if i read a PID into
variable i cant kill the processes its not getting killed below is the
script.
#!/bin/bash
ps -ef |grep bdctest | grep -v root | awk '{print $2}'>out
while read line
do
kill -9 $line ; echo $?
done
the process id is not moved to the variable
Kaushal
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:18:24 -0400
From: Steven Pasternak <stevenp500 at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Tired with M$ Windows? Use Linux
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> Hi all,
> It seems that almost every one of us has been a victim of computer
virus. From
> a very minor annoyance to a big pain in the back re-installing the
whole
> operating system. Dan how often? Veryyyy often.. No matter if we have
> installed antivirus program with regular updates, there is always a
> possibility that we might get infected with a computer virus. So, why
wait?
> Use Linux. There's more to it....
>
> Read the full writing at (pls mind the word wrap):
>
http://linux2.arinet.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§
ionid=1&id=75&Itemid=35
>
> Knowledge belongs to everyone,
>
You DO know that this is a linux list, right? This would go GREAT on a
windows list, though ;-) !
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:10:17 +0200
From: "Wolfgang Leideck" <wleideck at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: kill a process
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID:
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Try following
for pid in $(ps -ef | grep bdctest | grep -v root | grep -v grep | awk
'{print $2}')
do
kill -9 $pid
done
Wolfgang
2006/8/9, Kaushal Shriyan <kaushalshriyan at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi ALL
>
> I have to kill all processes which has owner as tester, If there any
> specific command to that or i have to write script, if i read a PID
into
> variable i cant kill the processes its not getting killed below is
the
> script.
>
> #!/bin/bash
> ps -ef |grep bdctest | grep -v root | awk '{print $2}'>out
>
> while read line
> do
> kill -9 $line ; echo $?
> done
>
> the process id is not moved to the variable
>
>
> Kaushal
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:25:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anders Davidsson <anders at kandav.com>
Subject: Emacs in Fedora 5
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <20060809062512.43238.qmail at web512.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi,
I recently installed Fedora 5 on my laptop. Now I can't find Emacs. Do
I have to install Emacs separately or is it somewhere where I can't find
it?
// Anders
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:27:26 +0300
From: "Heikki Pesonen" <fossiili at gmail.com>
Subject: How to find pavcl
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID:
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I downloaded pavcl_linux.rpm and installed running
"[root at localhostfossiili]# rpm -i pavcl_linux.rpm". According to Panda
Software the program
should start type (as root) for ex. "pavcl -?", but my Fedora 5 do not
find
it.
How to find the program? Beagle or other search programs prayed in Linux
journals and other papers and so called documents a newbie meets seem
not to
exist in my Fedora.
By the way, why is it so stupid? If I buy some version of Red Hat does
it
work without much mess? I like Fedora Core 5 very much, it looks nice
and
works fast but every time I try to do something with it other than
surfing
in the Net or writing text - some confusing operations are needed. I
will
recommend the IT Nobel Prise for Bill Gates, without having his Windows
in
my machine I could not do any serious work ...
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:38:17 +0800
From: "Deepak Shrestha" <d88pak at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Emacs in Fedora 5
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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On 8/9/06, Anders Davidsson <anders at kandav.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I recently installed Fedora 5 on my laptop. Now I can't find Emacs. Do
I
> have to install Emacs separately or is it somewhere where I can't find
it?
>
>
> // Anders
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it was not included in my installation too (may be type of
installation option has something to do with this). you have to
install it later.
regards
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:52:58 +0530
From: "Kaushal Shriyan" <kaushalshriyan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: kill a process
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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On 8/9/06, Wolfgang Leideck <wleideck at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Try following
>
> for pid in $(ps -ef | grep bdctest | grep -v root | grep -v grep | awk
> '{print $2}')
> do
> kill -9 $pid
> done
>
> Wolfgang
>
> 2006/8/9, Kaushal Shriyan <kaushalshriyan at gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hi ALL
> >
> > I have to kill all processes which has owner as tester, If there
any
> > specific command to that or i have to write script, if i read a PID
into
> > variable i cant kill the processes its not getting killed below is
the
> > script.
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> > ps -ef |grep bdctest | grep -v root | awk '{print $2}'>out
> >
> > while read line
> > do
> > kill -9 $line ; echo $?
> > done
> >
> > the process id is not moved to the variable
> >
> >
> > Kaushal
> > --
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> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
> >
> >
>
>
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Thanks Wolfgang :-)
Kaushal
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:40:03 +0200
From: Przemyslaw Gawronski <pgg at tanren.pl>
Subject: Re: Upgrading a server to FC5
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20060809064003.GA2367 at 69-mo6-3.acn.waw.pl>
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> Look at the tune2fs -j option.
Thanks, that's what I was looking for.
> If the BIOS can boot from the hard drive, then it should not be a
> problem. The only thing that you may have to be careful of is that
> you may need a /boot partition that is conpletely below the 1028
> cylinder boundary, depending on how old the BIOS is. If the system
> only has SCSI drives, it could be that the BIOS does not support
> booting from SCSI drives, and that SCSI controllers do not have
> their own BIOS. It is also possible that both controllers have their
> own BIOS, and that they do not work well together. You may have to
> do some research to set things up so the correct one is booting the
> system.
Yes, I think this is the case, when BIOS doesn't support booting from
SCSI drives. On that machine there is also an IDE drive /dev/hdc do you
think that putting GRUB on it's Master Boot Sector will allow it to boot
from an SCSI partition?
Thanks for help
Przemek
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:45:34 +0200
From: Przemyslaw Gawronski <pgg at tanren.pl>
Subject: Boot floppy for FC5
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20060809064534.GB2367 at 69-mo6-3.acn.waw.pl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2
Hi, how can I make boot floppy for FC5 while making a new system
installation?
Should I switch to another tty with Ctrl-Alt-2 at the end of
installation process and somehow force it?
Is mkbootdisk available at that moment of installation FC5?
Przemek
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:47:13 +0200
From: Przemyslaw Gawronski <pgg at tanren.pl>
Subject: Clearing hard disk's MBS
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20060809064713.GC2367 at 69-mo6-3.acn.waw.pl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2
Hi, how can I clean hdd's Master Boot Sector? For example after I've put
there GRUB.
Przemek
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:55:02 -0500
From: tom poe <tompoe at fngi.net>
Subject: Re: Lost sound on my notebook after FC5 upgrade
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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Joe Klemmer wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 07:06 -0500, Marc Schwartz wrote:
>
>>> It's not a critical problem, obviously, because it took me
months
>>> before I noticed it. But it would be nice to have sound on those
rare
>>> occasions then I might want it. Any and all help is greatly
>>> appreciated.
> [...]
>> Presuming that you are using GNOME, go into the menus:
>
> Actually my normal desktop is Xfce (running Xfce 4.4b2) but I
have
> tried testing everything under both GNOME and KDE with the same
results.
>
>> System -> Preferences -> Volume Control
>>
>> Then click on the 'Switches' tab and make sure that the "External
>> Amplifier" check box is checked.
>
> Done did that again just now and still no luck. The problem
might be
> HW related as this eMachines laptop is falling apart (it's only 1 year
> and 8 months old!!). I wish I could afford a new laptop but living on
a
> fixed income (and being legally homeless to boot) makes things like
food
> and clothes a higher priority. :-(
>
> Thanks for responding, though.
>
Joe: Still working on sound? You might want to explore low-latency
kernel through CCRMA. That would turn your beat-up laptop into
state-of-the-art audio/video recording machine.
ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ The mailing list is great for
helping solve sound glitches.
Tom
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