Fedora Core 3 Transferred to Fedora Legacy

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

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>>>Please elaborate: 
>>>* What in Fedora is community oriented?
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>>What is not?
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>I haven't seen much "community oriented by RH" in FC yet.
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>I sense, RH not wanting to listen to the community and pushing "their
>interests".
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What specific things didnt Red Hat listen to the community. Not just 
your personal opinions.

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>>>* What would be different in FC if it was "not community oriented"?
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>>Red Hat Linux.
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>Uuh? RHL would have continued to exist? I.e. RH would be doing the work
>volunteers are doing in FE now? Great to here that, let's discontinue
>FE, then - We contributors must be dumber than we think we are ;) 
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No. If it was not Fedora Project it would have been Red Hat Linux plus 
third party repositories which dont integrate well. Now its Fedora 
foundation managing several sub projects, one of them happens to be 
maintained by Red Hat.

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>>You forget the presence of various other projects such as  Legacy, 
>>Documentation, Websites, Infrastructure etc...
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>Are they provided by RH? RH provides some of the servers, yes. 
>But the contents? Most probably written and provided by volunteers from
>the community to the community. I.e. direction: Community => community.
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If community can set direction then that makes it it a community 
project. Dont you think? If Red Hat provided direction then you will 
turn around and call it control like you do for Fedora Core project. 
Dont argue both ways.

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>> It is 
>>almost stagnant which is great for enterprises but not for the 
>>community. If RHEL would have been suitable for everyone Red Hat wouldnt 
>>started Fedora or vice versa. Fedora's rapid release cycle with tons of 
>>feature updates, many of them from Red Hat is a key process of enabling 
>>the community.
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>I don't buy that. It's a key process for RH to be able to provide
>sufficient stability for RHEL.
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Of course it is but its also a Free and open source community operating 
system. Win-win.

>I am still waiting for RH to act community-oriented, i.e. to let the
>community participate actively in their decision processes, to let the
>community actively work on packages in FC, etc., etc.
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You can actively work on packages by providing patches. Which problem 
werent you able to solve because Red Hat is working on core packages?. 
Core is getting reduced and might even not exist in future releases anyway.

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>> The development methodology of "Release early, Release 
>>often" combined with donations from Red Hat combined with the many 
>>community sub projects within the Fedora Foundation is what provides 
>>value for Fedora.
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>The community did not implement the Fedora Foundation. 
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Community cannot implement a foundation. It requires funding to the tune 
that the community cannot provide. How many millions do you want to 
fund?. It requires a legal team and management direction.  Foundation is 
meant for the community though.

>It's RH who are
>about to implement them for reason, RH still didn't communicate to the
>community.
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You didnt see my earlier mail yet I guess. See 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-January/msg03413.html. 
What questions are left unanswered there?

> Reducing costs/spare taxes usually is the reason for founding
>foundations (I've been working for one for >10 years).
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You might not understand the law in the US to determine tax savings. 
Wait for the public announcement for details.
Let me quote out, the goal of the foundation is to enable the following. 

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      By providing a non-profit entity to organize and manage volunteers.

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      By ensuring that the work of these volunteers remains forever free.

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      By providing a fundraising arm for the development and protection
      of Fedora and related open source projects.

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      By providing an entity for copyright assignment, so that what is
      free is also defensible in a court of law.

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      By funding patent filings for inventors in the open source
      community, so that dedicated individuals can help to build a
      protective patent shield around open source code.


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Rahul 

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