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Re: From release notes for FC5T3 (web)



On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 11:00:03AM -0800, Dan Thurman wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 13:22 -0500, gb spam wrote:
> > On 3/9/06, Claude Jones <claude_jones levitjames com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday 09 March 2006 12:12 pm, Tony Molloy wrote:
> > > > That's exactly right. What would be very useful is an "Everything Install"
> > > > that installed everything but only the languages and locales you have
> > > > choosen.
> > > >
> > > > But this battle has already been lost on another list
> > >
> > > What all the anti-everything adherents refuse to comprehend is that their way
> > > is not the only way. I hesitate to use the term, but we're dealing with folks
> > > who are controlling.
> > >
> > > On another list I asked two simple questions of the anti faction:
> > > 1) Would it be a big deal for the coders to reinstate the "Everything install"
> > > button?
> > 
> > Rahul said a number of times that the cost was high.  When asked to
> > quantify what high meant, he neglected to answer.  My suspicion is
> > that it would be high on pride.
> > 
> > > 2) Was there still an objection if the button were hidden, and accompanied by
> > > large disclaimers?
> > >
> > > Not one of the vociferous anti-everything faction responded - this was
> > > reposted three times during a very long debate on the issue. My conclusion is
> > > that the decision had been taken, and the fact that numerous users disagreed
> > > with the decision was of no account. The debate was never truly a debate -
> > > the issue was decided without end-user input. So, I repeat, we're dealing
> > > with control-freaks - it's a bad sign for Fedora, in my view.
> > 
> > I too think that it was rpesented with a fait acomplli.
> > 
> > IMO this is less of a community project than they try to make out.
> > 
> 
> First off, I am in no way tied to any specific distro, vendor, whatever
> and this is just my opinion.
> 
> If some of you feel that your voice is falling on deaf ears, then you
> do not have to use or install this distro.  There are many other distros
> to choose from.  If enough people get pissed off with this distro, for
> whatever reason, they will simply abandon this distro for another.
> 
> It is up to this distro to decide what is best for themselves, but if
> they find that others are going to other distros, they are losing
> customers, and/or business, then maybe they will learn a hard lesson
> and try to win back those whose trust was damaged.  But trust, once
> lost is lost forever.
> 
> As for me, I am keeping a personal running tally of the quality of
> support, the ease of installation, the maintenance and bundling of
> this distro and if at any time the quality of this distro drops to
> unacceptable levels, then I will simply get out my other distro CD/DVD
> and replace the this distro.  This distro owes me nothing nor do
> I owe them anything.
> 
> So, you all have a choice; your thumb is either pointing UP or DOWN or
> in-between and only you can decide what course of action is best for
> you.
Just going to another distro may be fine if we are talking about one
machine, But in out case we are talking of 50 machines (and there are
those out there with more machines) is not so simple. In our case
distribution hopping is prohibitively complex.

And I am discouraged by it turning out that taking Rahul's advice of
getting in involved in the testing or development would not have done
much good.
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Aaron Konstam
Computer Science
Trinity University
telephone: (210)-999-7484


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