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Re: From release notes for FC5T3 (web)



gb spam wrote:


On another list I asked two simple questions of the anti faction:
1) Would it be a big deal for the coders to reinstate the "Everything install"
button?

Rahul said a number of times that the cost was high.  When asked to
quantify what high meant, he neglected to answer.  My suspicion is
that it would be high on pride.
Nothing to do with pride since I did give you the answer. Its a choice between spending time on the list discussions or go back and do actual work and people have pointed out to me ( by swearing at me offlist) that the balance currently is tilted towards discussions. I have already explained several times on the list that Anaconda code has been rewritten to use yum and this feature has to be *reimplemented* now and the Anaconda developers told me that the code to reimplement this would be significant and they dont see enough merits to do so. Combine that with the effect of this "feature" and the time spend in fixing and hand holding new users who choose to use this option innocently and we land up with a high cost I cited.

2) Was there still an objection if the button were hidden, and accompanied by
large disclaimers?

Not one of the vociferous anti-everything faction responded - this was
reposted three times during a very long debate on the issue. My conclusion is
that the decision had been taken, and the fact that numerous users disagreed
with the decision was of no account. The debate was never truly a debate -
the issue was decided without end-user input. So, I repeat, we're dealing
with control-freaks - it's a bad sign for Fedora, in my view.
Are the developers control freaks if they dont see implement every feature you wanted?. Contrary to perception, I also discussed option 2). The problem with hidden features (such as the previous expert option in Anaconda) is that they provide a alternative code path that is rarely tested and turns out broken in subtle ways every now and then. This is a merit based system in which people who do the actual work win in the end.

--
Rahul



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