fc5: install everything?

[Kam Leo]

On 5/8/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 16:01 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 15:35, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, but does that differ greatly from what I said?
> > >
> > > Yes it does. If you want designers to care about what you consider
> > > design bugs you need to use the bug tracking system to provide detailed
> > > input on it rather than send mails to user lists and expect the
> > > developers to read that.
> >
> > But then you'll only see a few people who are either fanatics
> > about some issue or just don't understand the right approach.
>
> Not sure what you trying to say here. Are you implying that people who
> use bugzilla are fanatics? The people who understand the right approach
> can very well use bugzilla to convey developers that information.
>
> > Here you get the sanity check of other users who wouldn't
> > normally peruse bugzilla either pointing out the mistake or
> > joining in about how they were also inconvenienced by a
> > change.
>
> You can achieve the same by filing a bug report and then inviting others
> to comment on it. Happens all the time.I have proposed a fedora bug list
> similar to cvs commits lists so end users can subscribe and track bugs
> easier. Bugzilla also has rss feeds, watch maintainer,  query to mail
> features and others to aid in this and upstream bugzilla can accept
> mails as comments on bug reports.

Bugzilla has improved, somewhat, from the early RH 5 days. However,
filing a bug report is not an easy endeavor. Filers have to understand
the jargon and navigate the imposing UI. Once filed there is no
guarantee that a developer will examine the report. So, yes, only a
true believer will file a bug report.

>
> Mailing lists are completely inefficient to track bugs compared to bug
> tracking systems. Pretty much every major open source project has
> bugzilla or some other bug tracking system for the very same reason.
>

There is higher visibility with a mailing list.  Create enough noise
and the squeaky wheel gets fixed.

Unless there is a process in place requiring developers to fix their
bugs bug tracking systems become nothing more than just window
dressing.

> >
> > > >   For example if someone wanted to build PCs with
> > > > fedora pre-installed, what might the user expect to find on
> > > > it?
> > >
> > > OEM copies of Fedora would have whatever the OEM vendors decide to
> > > provide.
> >
> > That's almost shocking in the context of marketing.  Is that
> > what you want for a user's exposure to a fedora system?
>
> Usually OEM renames the system since the trademark guidelines dont allow
> for Fedora to be modified and still retain the name and hence a user
> experience of those systems doesnt affect Fedora. There has been
> discussions on and off about modifying the guidelines to do various
> things that help OEM, respins etc but we havent drafted out anything
> concrete yet.
>
>
> Rahul
>
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