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Re: fc5: install everything?

On 5/8/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram fedoraproject org> wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 16:01 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 15:35, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, but does that differ greatly from what I said?
> >
> > Yes it does. If you want designers to care about what you consider
> > design bugs you need to use the bug tracking system to provide detailed
> > input on it rather than send mails to user lists and expect the
> > developers to read that.
> But then you'll only see a few people who are either fanatics
> about some issue or just don't understand the right approach.

Not sure what you trying to say here. Are you implying that people who
use bugzilla are fanatics? The people who understand the right approach
can very well use bugzilla to convey developers that information.

> Here you get the sanity check of other users who wouldn't
> normally peruse bugzilla either pointing out the mistake or
> joining in about how they were also inconvenienced by a
> change.

You can achieve the same by filing a bug report and then inviting others
to comment on it. Happens all the time.I have proposed a fedora bug list
similar to cvs commits lists so end users can subscribe and track bugs
easier. Bugzilla also has rss feeds, watch maintainer,  query to mail
features and others to aid in this and upstream bugzilla can accept
mails as comments on bug reports.

Bugzilla has improved, somewhat, from the early RH 5 days. However,
filing a bug report is not an easy endeavor. Filers have to understand
the jargon and navigate the imposing UI. Once filed there is no
guarantee that a developer will examine the report. So, yes, only a
true believer will file a bug report.

Mailing lists are completely inefficient to track bugs compared to bug
tracking systems. Pretty much every major open source project has
bugzilla or some other bug tracking system for the very same reason.

There is higher visibility with a mailing list.  Create enough noise
and the squeaky wheel gets fixed.

Unless there is a process in place requiring developers to fix their
bugs bug tracking systems become nothing more than just window

> > >   For example if someone wanted to build PCs with
> > > fedora pre-installed, what might the user expect to find on
> > > it?
> >
> > OEM copies of Fedora would have whatever the OEM vendors decide to
> > provide.
> That's almost shocking in the context of marketing.  Is that
> what you want for a user's exposure to a fedora system?

Usually OEM renames the system since the trademark guidelines dont allow
for Fedora to be modified and still retain the name and hence a user
experience of those systems doesnt affect Fedora. There has been
discussions on and off about modifying the guidelines to do various
things that help OEM, respins etc but we havent drafted out anything
concrete yet.


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