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Re: Debian seems to have forked cdrtools

On Thursday 07 September 2006 17:58, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 07 September 2006 07:44, Nigel Henry wrote:
> >On Thursday 07 September 2006 02:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 06 September 2006 12:20, Nigel Henry wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday 06 September 2006 17:24, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday 06 September 2006 11:13, Tony Nelson wrote:
> >> >> >At 9:07 AM -0400 9/6/06, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> >> >  ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Now, if someone could tell me how to coax my US keyboard into
> >> >> >> properly spelling your name with the ommlauts over the o, I'd
> >> >> >> love it, ditto for the beta and copyright signs.  I could do that
> >> >> >> with my old amiga keyboard. Hint hint...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout Options -> Compose Key
> >> >> >Position.  Choose the key you want, or note the current selection.
> >> >> >Close dialog.  Type <key>-" (<key>-shift-', a dead key if it works)
> >> >> >and then type "o".  In general, the dead key to use is punctuation
> >> >> >that "looks like" the desired accent mark.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mmm, with my now ancient kde, the choices are us and international,
> >> >> so I just set it to international, so Jorg is still Jorg, anything
> >> >> else opens up a requestor menu as kde is intercepting them.
> >> >
> >> >Hi Gene. Try Alt-Gr+Shift+Colon.  This is with the US intl on KDE,
> >> > FC2. It's a dead key, so you'll need to add the vowel you want to add
> >> > the umlaut to.
> >>
> >> That doesn't seem to want to work here, Nigel.  It takes a second
> >> keystroke after the first o which has no response, but the second o,
> >> while still holding the left alt+left-shift+:, spits out a single
> >> uppercase O.  And in kmails composer, that keystroke combo opens the
> >> 'options' menu in the composer.
> >>
> >> I miss my old amiga, it had a valid character for almost any keyboard
> >> combo you could think of.
> >
> >Gene. It's the Right Alt you need to use. On my keyboard this is labelled
> >"Alt Gr" .  But carefull about the sequence of the keys.  I'd initially
> > tried the combination out in Gedit, and here it doesn't matter if you
> > press the Right Alt, and the Shift key at the same time, but in Kmails
> > composer I've found you need to press them sequentially.  You need 3
> > hands for this by the way!  So the sequence is. Right Alt, then add the
> > Shift, then holding both keys down click on the Colon (just once, as if
> > you click on it twice you'll see the umlaut, and will have to start
> > again).  Right. You've clicked on the Colon.  Now release the Right Alt,
> > and the Shift, and click on the "o" , and you should have an ö.
> Nope, not here, I get an o. For a rt-alt,rt-shift,: then release all and
> type the o, gets a plain o.  Is this a function of dead-keys maybe?  But
> I've not found where thats configured here.  No diff if I switch it back
> to US from international either.  Or do I need to restart X for that
> change to be effected?

Yeh. It uses deadkeys, and no you don't need to restart X
> Ahh, I found it!  In control center, expand regional and accessability,
> click on keyboard layout, Xkb submenu tab on the right, pull down to 3rd
> level listings near bottom of list, enable the alt keys to choose 3rd
> level, and it works.  Whyinhell wasn't that a default setting?
Odd that, because I looked at Xkb submenu tab, and nothings checked there, and 
yet the level 3 keys work ok. Thats on KDE 3.2.2-14.FC2.2.legacy
> Boggles  
> the mind. And, why has the dbl-quote(") now disappeared unless I follow
> that multikey proceedure?
That's really annoying. Right alt plus shift, then the single quote key gets 
me a double quote, and right alt plus the single quote key gets me a single 
quote. My single quote key is 2nd to the left of the 2 lower keys next to the 
carriage return key.
> Its a level 0 character damnit, utc=0022. And 
> the single-quote('), commonly used for an apostiphe, code 0027, can only
> be typed into the clipboard by KCharSelect and then pasted as I had to do
> above.   This is not at all satisfying.  Also, while I have the scroll
> lock led set to show alt group, its not working.  And hitting the single
> quote twice now gets me an apostiphe (´)
I don't think that's an apostrophe, I think it's a dead key for a french 
accent "é", and damn it, i'm changing keyboard layouts here to write all this 
stuff like they're going out of fashion. I'm on the GB one, then the CA one, 
then the US one. Perhaps I should add the DE (german) one, and that will have 
the problem solved, apart from it's "qwertz" rather than "qwerty" layout. 2 
more key changes, and probably a bunch of other stuff.
> Ok, turn all that stuff back off 
> and switch to a 105 key international layout, and I still can't do the
> umlauts except by copy-paste from the selector.  Grrrrr.
> Now I´ve spent another half an hour screwing around with what should be a
> simple setting.  Screw it, back to square one for all settings.  And no
> single quote is available now.  None.  How can I get that back?  Restart X
> maybe?  I´m truely lost here folks.

Now listen. I've been on the wikipedia this afternoon, looking at keyboard 
layouts. If we think we have problems, I don't think I'd like using the 
Chinese one.

You could omit the umlaut, and spell his name Joerg, which produces the same 
sound as Jörg, but I don't think this the right thing to do with peoples 

To change the subject and go a bit OT, I havn't seen any of your reminiscences 
of the past lately. One that I wanted to mention a while back was from the 
60's. I left school at 15, and wanted to be an electrical engineer. Nothing 
going there in Jersey in the Channel Islands, but my headmaster because I was 
good at metalwork, got me a job as apprentice plumber with a friend of his. I 
still wanted to get into doing electrical stuff, as I had friends who 
repaired radios, and so on. I was only in the plumbing trade for a few weeks 
as I was still trying to get into the electrical trade, and eventually got a 
job as apprentice electrician. I'm not knocking the plumbing, as I learned a 
lot in those few weeks. One year or so later in the electrical trade, and I 
was a bit disappointed. A bit of electrical work, but mostly cutting cable 
runs down concrete block walls with a cold chisel, or Kango hammer. this 
wasn't really what I wanted to do.  Looking about for something else I got a 
job, and this is at 16 years of age, doing the stage lighting for a local 
hotel's cabaret. The lighting control panel was made by Strand Lighting, and 
there was a rack of saturable reactors in the room opposite the lighting 
booth that controlled the dimming of the spots. Oh yes. Backstage was some 
fluorescent light dimming stuff. the only colour I really got working was the 
green, when the showband that was playing did Danny Boy. I think the 
fluorescent dimming stuff was originally supposed to sequence through 
different colours, but no longer worked, that is, if it had ever worked.

Right the summer season finished, and a few weeks later I was asked if I 
wanted to help out on the lighting at the Opera House, also owned by the same 
guy as the hotel. we're going back in time now because the lighting was still 
Strand, but ancient. this was built in cast iron. Triacs, Thyristors, no 
chance, way into the future. Even the saturable reactors at the hotel were 
way more advanced. These were rheostats. Cast iron wheels controlling the 
rheostats to bring down the house lights, and everything on the very large 
scale. This was for a Spanish Ballet production, and there were some very 
nice girls in it, but being shy, very reserved, and it doesn't help if you 
can't speak Spanish, never got anywhere with the cast.

Some weeks after the Spanish Ballet had finished, I got asked to run the spots 
(limes) for the winter pantomime, which was "Aladdin". this is where the 
lighting stuff gets interesting. There were 2 carbon arc spots supplied by a 
huge rectifier restrained in a metal cage. this contained 2 glass mercury 
pool rectifiers, which were IIRC about 15" in diameter. These had to be 
ancient, even in the 60's. I can't remember if they were from Strand 
Lighting. I don't think they were. When the spots were drawing current from 
these rectifiers was truly an amazing sight, like something out of Victor 
Franstein's laboratory. Seeing electricity dancing off the mercury pool 
inside of this glass globe was an incredible sight. have you ever seen 
anything like that?

Then I screwed up my life in lighting. We had a party when the pantomime had 
run to it's completion. As I was in charge, and hadn't cleaned up the room 
from our fag (cigarette) packets, etc, I got the blame from the boss, 
insulted him, like some stupid 16 year old might do, and lost out on what 
might have been an interesting career. If only we could turn back the clock, 
apologise for not having done something that we should have done, and agree 
to get it sorted.  I did apologise to him some time later, but it's too late 
then. the damage is done. The stupidity of youth eh!


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