Feedback please

[Zahn Daltocli]

Bloatware is bad. The idea is to be minimal, then install what you want. 
Having apps available is good, yes, but installed by default? That's 
just resource and space-wasting.

I have a great spec laptop (Core 2 Duo 1.66GHz, 2Gb RAM, 160Gb HDD with 
128mb Graphics), I keep everything minimal with ArchLinux. At a push my 
resources are 0-1% CPU usage and *absolute* tops 12% RAM useage. Why 
bloat up a system when you can install a minimal distro, then install 
only what you need? It's rather newie'ish just installing bloatware.

Cheers,
~ Tom

jim tate wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> jim tate wrote:
>>> Mike wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, jim tate wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have done a install of Kubuntu just to see how it work, I'm a 
>>>>> straight Fedora user and no desire to move to Ubuntu,
>>>>> I just want to see how it works as far as SU goes.
>>>>> In ubuntu , can any user type in sudo -s and get root privileges ?
>>>>> For Security reasons this distro scares me.
>>>>> I teach Linux at locale libraries and wanted to get a feel for 
>>>>> ubuntu before I can say yea or nay.
>>>>> And I don't want to go threw a bunch of hassles to track down a 
>>>>> Ubuntu forum just to ask one question about a distro
>>>>> that I'm not going to permanently use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> I believe sudo -s and sudo -i is limited to users in the admin 
>>>> group. Look at the file /etc/sudoers on your Ubuntu box.  Also if I 
>>>> recall correctly users can be added and removed from groups using 
>>>> the gpasswd command.
>>>>
>>> But can any user perform those steps ?
>>> If so this unsafe allowing users to install anything they want.
>>> This is one of the main resones that Windows crashes so much, kids 
>>> being able to install anything.
>>
>> The ability to sudo is, of course, restricted by the same config 
>> files as it would be in every other distribution.  Ubuntu just uses a 
>> convention of setting up the first user added as an admin user with 
>> the ability to run anything via sudo with only his own password so it 
>> isn't necessary to run as root.  If you don't like it, you'll probably
>> sudo su - root
>> anyway...
>>
> Well from what you guys have said, I guess I will sleep easy at night 
> knowing that Ubuntu has not really killed the security in Linux.
> I have to admit this Ubuntu-7 is a easy install , but I still feel 
> more secure with Fedora.
> Thing that blew my mind was Firefox is not a default install. But it 
> was easy to install.
> Many people complain that Fedora is bloatware, I can say extra apps 
> are better than not enough Apps, if your a new user how long would it 
> take to realize that the Konqueror is not as good as Firefox, if 
> Firefox wasn't installed
> From what I can see is that a new user in Ubuntu is going to have to 
> spend more time on forums and asking
> question about Apps he does not know about, because their not 
> installed (bloatware)
> Thanks guys for your help.
>
> Jim
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> Jim
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