fedora-list Digest, Vol 46, Issue 123

Wed Dec 12 08:43:04 UTC 2007

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: usbkeys with U3 and their removal? (Tim)
2. Re: Hello Everyone. (Tim)
3. RE: [SOLVED] [F8] Ugh. Latest update prevents Gnome from
coming up! (Daniel B. Thurman)
4. Re: Hello Everyone. (zeeshan nadeem)
5. Re: access ipod files? (Craig White)
6. Re: SELinux enforcing, an external ntfs-3g mount, Samba and
Fedora 8 (Craig White)
7. Re: audio gone since upgrade to F8 (Frank Chiulli)
8. Re: Hello Everyone. (Jonathan Underwood)
9. Re: Hello Everyone. (Jonathan Underwood)
10. Re: Virtualize an existing installation of Windows (Dylan Semler)
11. Re: Stupid bash question (Joe Smith)
12. Re: haldaemon problem (Tod Merley)
13. Re: haldaemon problem (Tod Merley)
14. Re: Stupid bash question (Ralf Corsepius)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:25:47 +1030
From: Tim 
Subject: Re: usbkeys with U3 and their removal?
To: For users of Fedora 
Message-ID: <1197428147.2850.56.camel at bigblack.lan.cameratim.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 08:18 +0900, John Summerfield wrote:
> Next year, their users are going to find their internet gets cut off
> for "minor" infringements such as personal study of human biology and 
> searching for the word "unblocker." 

But, but, but... I was trying to find a local plumber to unblock the
drains... ;-)

But being seriously, I counselled some school computer admin a few years
ago not to make half-baked bans that blocked the word "rape" in all
queries, regardless. He might just prevent the one and only attempt
someone made to help themselves after being raped. Some thought does
need to go into how you go about blocking things.

-- 
[tim at bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386

Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.

Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
I read messages from the public lists.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:32:11 +1030
From: Tim 
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone.
To: For users of Fedora 
Message-ID: <1197428531.2850.58.camel at bigblack.lan.cameratim.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 19:54 -0700, zeeshan nadeem wrote:
> I have installed Fedora 7 recently on my laptop, but the wireless is
> not working. I tried something. Can anyone explain me the exact
> procedure for activating wireless network on my laptop.

I installed FC7 on mine, and it just worked...

Exact procedures depend on your circumstances. You'll need to tell the
list more details. Probably what wireless hardware you have in your
laptop (sending the output from lspci and dmidecode can help), and
details about your wireless network (does it use encryption, which type,
etc.).

-- 
[tim at bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386

Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.

Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
I read messages from the public lists.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:20:31 -0800
From: "Daniel B. Thurman" 
Subject: RE: [SOLVED] [F8] Ugh. Latest update prevents Gnome from
coming up!
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Message-ID: <021126B987E43D44A860139823C079110E2C0A at orion.cdkkt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>
>I clicked the Package Updates icon, updated the new updates, rebooted,
>and my system comes up, however the X server shows the busy cursor
>spinning forever but Gnome does not bring up the login page!
>
>I can access Ctrl-Shift-F1 and log in.
>
>What can I do at this point to restore whatever broke?
>
>Help!!
>

Ok, this problem is now solved. It involved the use of ISPConfig and
ISPConfig encountered a fedora[7/8] GDM bug that caused "fast-switcher-?"
to run at 100% CPU speed and it blocked Gnome's Login screen, according
to this thread for those who are interested. The temporary fix is to
use KDE's login screen.

http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13918&highlight=fedora+gdm+ispconfig

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:21:08 -0700
From: "zeeshan nadeem" 
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone.
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Message-ID:
<9c3bb80a0712111921p21cf1745gc18548023ab2868e at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Tim,

My Laptop has Dell Wireless LAN Card. My home network is using
WPA-Personal (PSK) type of encrytion. Hope this helps.

Thank You.
zeeshan.

On Dec 11, 2007 8:02 PM, Tim wrote:

> On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 19:54 -0700, zeeshan nadeem wrote:
> > I have installed Fedora 7 recently on my laptop, but the wireless is
> > not working. I tried something. Can anyone explain me the exact
> > procedure for activating wireless network on my laptop.
>
> I installed FC7 on mine, and it just worked...
>
> Exact procedures depend on your circumstances. You'll need to tell the
> list more details. Probably what wireless hardware you have in your
> laptop (sending the output from lspci and dmidecode can help), and
> details about your wireless network (does it use encryption, which type,
> etc.).
>
> --
> [tim at bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr
> 2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386
>
> Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.
>
> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
> I read messages from the public lists.
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:32:20 -0700
From: Craig White 
Subject: Re: access ipod files?
To: For users of Fedora 
Message-ID: <1197430340.354.8.camel at lin-workstation.azapple.com>
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On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 12:59 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 15:27 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> > Perhaps I don't have the right cable?
> 
> You might want to tell the list exactly what model iPod you have.
> Different models used different schemes. Some had Firewire and USB
> connections, using one for power and one for data.
> 
> You could just have a broken cable. There's four wires in USB, two
> power, two data. If a data wire broke but power didn't, you could see a
> device turn on, but not actually be usable.
> 
> You could be trying to run it powered from your USB port where your USB
> port isn't able to supply enough current (try going through a powered
> hub, instead), you could have a wonky USB port on the computer (try a
> different port - my computer's front-panel ports connect through crap
> cables, they don't work well with high speed USB).
----
nice of you to chime in 6 hours after problem is solved

USB 1.1 ports may or may not supply enough power to an iPod...this can
be googled.

This of course was not his problem.

Craig

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:38:02 -0700
From: Craig White 
Subject: Re: SELinux enforcing, an external ntfs-3g mount, Samba and
Fedora 8
To: For users of Fedora 
Message-ID: <1197430682.354.15.camel at lin-workstation.azapple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 12:31 +1030, Tim wrote:
> Craig White:
> >>> Mount the disk with uid/gid that you want. 
> 
> Tim:
> >> Without some sort of additional user mapping between which user is which
> >> on Windows versus Linux, I can't see how you could avoid that.
> 
> Craig White:
> > I don't understand your point.
> > 
> > I know that a fat/vfat mount doesn't understand posix attributes and
> > they cannot be stored on the filesystem so the uid/gid is declared at
> > the time of mounting (or if undeclared, root:root because only root can
> > mount the filesystem unless designated otherwise, i.e. by hal or within
> > fstab).
> 
> Ownership, not permissions.
> 
> On Windows, users Tim, Fred, and Barney save their files, and their
> files are owned by themselves, with the Windows filing system knowing
> the association between files and particular users.
> 
> Linux uses a different user identifier system. It can tell that *those*
> Windows files are owned by three different people. But without some
> mapping that says user 500 on Linux is Tim, and user X on Windows is the
> same Tim, and so on for the other users, there isn't a way for each
> users files to be owned by the same users on both systems.
----
I don't have an NTFS drive that I'm willing to connect up just for
experimentation but OP clearly believes that all files on ntfs-3g mount
were listed as root:root and I have no reason to dispute, that has
always been my experience with vfat mounts.

Thus the concept of 'users' and 'mapping', though intriguing, would be
rather pointless for an NTFS filesystem mounted by ntfs-3g
----
> Dismounting and remounting the drive with the next user owning all the
> files is a mess, and useless for multi-user systems where there actually
> are multiple users using it at the same time.
----
Hence my suggestion that using an NTFS filesystem mounted by ntfs-3g was
simply a temporary solution and not a method for continued operation.
----
> Removable media is a bigger pain. You can plug it into systems which
> have completely different users.
----
depending of course, how it is mounted. Yes if mounted by hal, no if
mounted by fstab and of course, a filesystem that supports posix
attributes.

Craig

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:44:29 -0800
From: "Frank Chiulli" 
Subject: Re: audio gone since upgrade to F8
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Dec 9, 2007 4:09 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti 
wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I would seriously suggest removing pulseaudio, as many folks have had
> problems
> > with it, including myself, whereas sound was working on previous Fedora
> > versions. You can always reinstall alsa-plugins-pulseaudio once you get
> the
> > sound working again.
> >
>
> There is no need to remove pulseaudio.
>
> Just create a file ~/.asoundrc with
> the contents below, and pulseaudio will
> no longer be the default. No need to reboot
> or logout. Just restart any application (e.g., xmms).
>
> By the way, the default is set in /etc/alsa/pulse- default.conf,
> and this is why pulseaudio is a global default.
>
>
> pcm.!default {
> type hw
> card 0
> }
>
> ctl.!default {
> type hw
> card 0
> }
>
>
> By the way, I like pulseaudio very much, but I have two sound cards.
> With pulse, I can control my cards on the fly without having to change
> my .asoundrc (how I used to do before).
>
> -
> Paulo Roma Cavalcanti
> LCG - UFRJ
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>

Frank,
I've been playing around and found something interesting.

After I logon to Gnome, I try
aplay -l

I get
aplay: device_list:205: no soundcards found...

Now if I switch to a virtual console (Alt-Ctl-F2) and login. If I try,
aplay -l

I get
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: Live [SBLive! Value [CT4832]], device 0: emu10k1 [ADC
Capture/Standard PCM Playback]
Subdevices: 32/32
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
Subdevice #8: subdevice #8
Subdevice #9: subdevice #9
Subdevice #10: subdevice #10
Subdevice #11: subdevice #11
Subdevice #12: subdevice #12
Subdevice #13: subdevice #13
Subdevice #14: subdevice #14
Subdevice #15: subdevice #15
Subdevice #16: subdevice #16
Subdevice #17: subdevice #17
Subdevice #18: subdevice #18
Subdevice #19: subdevice #19
Subdevice #20: subdevice #20
Subdevice #21: subdevice #21
Subdevice #22: subdevice #22
Subdevice #23: subdevice #23
Subdevice #24: subdevice #24
Subdevice #25: subdevice #25
Subdevice #26: subdevice #26
Subdevice #27: subdevice #27
Subdevice #28: subdevice #28
Subdevice #29: subdevice #29
Subdevice #30: subdevice #30
Subdevice #31: subdevice #31
card 0: Live [SBLive! Value [CT4832]], device 2: emu10k1 efx
[Multichannel Capture/PT Playback]
Subdevices: 8/8
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
card 0: Live [SBLive! Value [CT4832]], device 3: emu10k1 [Multichannel Playback]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

If I try,
aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/shutdown.wav

I hear it play.

Anybody have any idea why it doesn't work under Gnome?

Frank

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:07:45 +0000
From: "Jonathan Underwood" 
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone.
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Message-ID:
<645d17210712112007h4bdeeaf3ib143b53a0506840b at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 12/12/2007, zeeshan nadeem wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> My Laptop has Dell Wireless LAN Card. My home network is using
> WPA-Personal (PSK) type of encrytion. Hope this helps.
>

You need to find out what specific chipset is used on this "Dell
Wireless LAN Card". It is probably an intel chipset -
ipw2200/ipw3945/ipw4965 etc. Until you know that, it's difficult to
help.

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:08:22 +0000
From: "Jonathan Underwood" 
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone.
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Message-ID:
<645d17210712112008u2c49d6eeu5ad2c9dbca36b9f7 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 12/12/2007, Jonathan Underwood wrote:
> On 12/12/2007, zeeshan nadeem wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > My Laptop has Dell Wireless LAN Card. My home network is using
> > WPA-Personal (PSK) type of encrytion. Hope this helps.
> >
>
> You need to find out what specific chipset is used on this "Dell
> Wireless LAN Card". It is probably an intel chipset -
> ipw2200/ipw3945/ipw4965 etc. Until you know that, it's difficult to
> help.
>

Um, sorry, i meant to say that the command /sbin/lspci -vv will
probably tell you this information.

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:28:00 -0500
From: "Dylan Semler" 
Subject: Re: Virtualize an existing installation of Windows
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Dec 11, 2007 6:03 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:

>
> I don't know about using Xen. I wanted to go that route but my processor
> does not support VT-x. I use VirtualBox and it works quite well. In their
> tutorial they have instructions for building a VMDK file that points to the
> partition. It may be more automated now but it was pretty manual when I did
> it. A couple of notices:
>
>
Interesting, I have never heard of VirtualBox. What made you chose that
over vmware? How do you like the performance?

Thanks for the tips.
-- 
Dylan

Type faster. Use Dvorak:
http://dvzine.org
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:26:08 -0500
From: Joe Smith 
Subject: Re: Stupid bash question
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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Tony Nelson wrote:
> The reason seems weak to me, but test does not require a closing
> square bracket, while [ does, and:
> ...
>> GNU Coding Standards now declare that the behaviour of binary
>> should not depend on its name.

>From http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/User-Interfaces.html:
> Please don't make the behavior of a utility depend on the name used to
> invoke it. It is useful sometimes to make a link to a utility with a
> different name, and that should not change what it does.

Sounds more like a request than a declaration ;-)

I wish they had provided some rationale, seeing as how the practice has 
a long history on Unix, and I (at least) have not run into any situation 
where it caused a problem.

Requiring the closing bracket or not seems like a trivial difference in 
behavior, no?

Yep, I'll go with 'weak' as well.

Over a few hundred systems, this must be wasting almost a penny's worth 
of space.

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:30:58 -0800
From: "Tod Merley" 
Subject: Re: haldaemon problem
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Message-ID:
<8b5e63cf0712112030w6b303aadw9c8b72f654ecfe4c at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Dec 11, 2007 2:14 PM, david walcroft wrote:
>
> Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > david walcroft wrote:
------------------- snip --------->
> >> 11:41:24.744 [D] util_helper.c:124: drop_privileges: could not set group id
> >> [david at reddwarf ~]$
> >>
> >> Hope this helps
> >>
> >
> > It definitely gives up something to work with. Is the ConsoleKit
> > service running (service ConsoleKit status)? Is DBus running (service
> > messagebus status)?
> >
> > Perhaps someone else will recognize this and chime in. A quick google
> > doesn't turn up anything I'd consider definitive as the cause.
> >
> >
> service ConsoleKit status = (pid 2020) is running
> service message status = (pid 2312 1869 is running
>
> Hope this can help david
>
>
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Hi David!

Just adding a bit to Warren's comment - what I see (hal working) on my
system in /var/cache/hald:
-----------------------------------------------------
[root at localhost hald]# pwd
/var/cache/hald
[root at localhost hald]# ls -a -l
total 456
drwx------ 2 haldaemon haldaemon 4096 2007-11-18 09:08 .
drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2007-11-03 20:42 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 439012 2007-11-18 09:08 fdi-cache
[root at localhost hald]# ls -a -Z
drwx------ haldaemon haldaemon system_u:object_r:hald_cache_t .
drwxr-xr-x root root system_u:object_r:var_t ..
-rw-r--r-- root root system_u:object_r:hald_cache_t fdi-cache
[root at localhost hald]#
----------------------------------------
The second "ls" run is to show SELinux context.

Have Fun!

Tod

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:42:43 -0800
From: "Tod Merley" 
Subject: Re: haldaemon problem
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Message-ID:
<8b5e63cf0712112042re034883s16ee78bb954925c4 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Dec 11, 2007 2:14 PM, david walcroft wrote:

=== message truncated ===

Best Regards,

    Rambod Kamaei (PhD)
  CCIE, CCNP, Linux Expert.
  Tel:   +98 21 22643500 to 9
  Cell: +98 912 2185672

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