fedora-list Digest, Vol 36, Issue 69
Andrada Meda Felegean
afelegean at ciematricon.ro
Tue Feb 6 18:42:49 UTC 2007
The old server which i want to replace, runs on RedHat8 and these settings
work. I have put WinMentor databases in /usr/mentor with no problem and i
have also set guest account = root in the smb.conf file and it`s all
working...
However,on Fedora6, ls -l /usr looks like this:
[root at CIEmentor ~]# ls -l /usr
total 180
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 36864 Feb 6 14:42 bin
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 11 01:06 etc
drwxr-xr-x 27 root root 4096 Feb 6 13:40 include
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Sep 6 23:41 kerberos
drwxr-xr-x 79 root root 28672 Feb 6 14:42 lib
drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 Feb 6 14:42 libexec
drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Feb 6 13:33 local
drwxrwxrwx 3 root root 4096 Jan 30 11:13 mentor
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 20480 Feb 6 14:42 sbin
drwxr-xr-x 128 root root 4096 Feb 6 13:41 share
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 11 01:06 src
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Feb 6 13:33 tmp -> ../var/tmp
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 6 13:34 X11R6
..............................................
Andrada Meda Felegean
.....................
IT Specialist - CIE Matricon
www.cieautomotive.com
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> 1. Re: Prevent unknown users from using Internet
> (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
> 2. FC6 virutal Manager Problem (ram)
> 3. Re: Security Updates -- Are they necessary in Linux for user?
> (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
> 4. Re: FC6 through the rear view mirror (Les Mikesell)
> 5. Re: pine program and mail services with FC6 System (Anne Wilson)
> 6. Re: Security Updates -- Are they necessary in Linux for user?
> (Les Mikesell)
> 7. Re: FedoraCore 6 smbd /write acces problem (Anne Wilson)
> 8. VDQ respins (Beartooth)
> 9. WARNING - Possible Data Corruption (John Wendel)
> 10. Odd Keyboard problem on FC (3-4-5-6) - config maybe?
> (William W. Austin)
> 11. Re: Can Evolution be used to access yahoo mail? (Les Mikesell)
> 12. Re: [solved] Re: No squid logging after FC6 upgrade (Rick Stevens)
> 13. GM & MS (Ed Landaveri)
> 14. Re: GM & MS (Scott van Looy)
> 15. Re: Can Evolution be used to access yahoo mail? (parishd)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:03:08 -0600
> From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel at infinity-ltd.com>
> Subject: Re: Prevent unknown users from using Internet
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <45C8B4CC.9060508 at infinity-ltd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> bsnottum at hkskole.no wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I am running fedora core 2 server with dhcp-3.0.1rc14-1.
>>
>> I would like to restrict Internet access only to those users that is
>> given
>> an ip-address from my dhcp server. The dhcp server only gives out
>> addresses to nic's already defined in dhcpd.conf.
>>
>> Has anyone had any experience with this? All kinds of help would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bjorn
>>
>>
> Have you considered running a proxy server and requiring everyone to
> connect to the Internet through it. If you just open the firewall to
> IP addresses assigned by the DHCP server, someone can still use the
> IP address of a lease that has not expired, but is not being used.
>
> If you do not like the proxy approach, you can set up iptables
> firewall rules using the MAC address. (--mac-source) But you need to
> be aware that MAC addresses can be faked. One advantage of having
> the firewall reject connections on the local network that do not
> have an approved MAC address is that they will not be able to talk
> to the DHCP server. You could probably write a script that would
> grab the MAC addresses from the DHCP config file, and generate the
> firewall rules.
>
> If your FC2 box is not your firewall between the local network, and
> the Internet, then this is not going to work. The what you can do
> depends on your firewall/router...
>
> Mikkel
> --
>
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:36:36 +0530
> From: ram <talk2ram at gmail.com>
> Subject: FC6 virutal Manager Problem
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi
>
> i have installed Full of FC6 and updated up to date
> using Xwindows iam creating Virtual manger,
> and want to install Debian on Virtual Manger.
>
> i have downloaded internet version, and mounted ISO image to /mnt/iso
>
> when create new VM, and select that path and try to install
> still its asking required NFS or HTTP or FTP ?
>
> how can i install from ISO image
>
> any suggestions
>
> Ram
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:12:32 -0600
> From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mikkel at infinity-ltd.com>
> Subject: Re: Security Updates -- Are they necessary in Linux for user?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <45C8B700.6080400 at infinity-ltd.com>
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> Tim wrote:
>> Scott van Looy:
>>>> Default is not to cache files. Change:
>>>> keepcache=0
>>>> in /etc/yum.conf
>>
>>
>> Mikkel L. Ellertson:
>>> This controls keeping of installed files. but doesn't YUM keep the
>>> files it was not able to install even with keepcache=0?
>>
>> The parameter is called keepcache not keepinstalled, and that seems to
>> be how it behaves, despite what it says about it the yum.conf man page:
>>
>> keepcache
>> Either ¡1¢ or ¡0¢. Determines whether or not yum keeps the cache
>> of headers and packages after succesful installation. Default
>> is ¢1¢ (keep files)
>>
>> I've observed it to dump files its cached for the next run, so they need
>> re-downloading, even if they weren't installed.
>>
>> NB: Although the default for YUM may be "1" (keep files), the default
>> preset in the yum.conf file is "0" (don't keep files).
>>
>>
> I have had just the opposite experience - the files are still in
> /var/cache/yum/{repo}/packages. At times, I have used rpm to install
> most of the packages.
>
> I wish YUM would install the packages that do not have conflicts,
> instead of aborting on the first error...
>
> Mikkel
> --
>
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:22:26 -0600
> From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: FC6 through the rear view mirror
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <45C8B952.5060800 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Craig White wrote:
>
>> "We all hate to look stupid
>> instead of just ignorant." This statement suggests that it is preferable
>> to looking stupid on this list as opposed to looking stupid on bugzilla.
>
> But on this list, someone who just solved the same problem is likely to
> respond instead of developers who may or may not get something in the
> next release.
>
>> There is little room to coddle people who rant on this list and don't
>> report their issues to bugzilla since it is specifically bugzilla that
>> was created for fixing problems with the software. Ranting on this list
>> doesn't get things fixed and reporting to bugzilla is designed just for
>> that purpose.
>
> Or, in bugzilla you may after some long time get:
> "This bug has been mass-closed along with all other
> bugs that have been in NEEDINFO state for several
> months."
>
>
> Here, you may at least get suggestions that let you move on to something
> that works in some short amount of time.
>
> --
> Les Mikesell
> lesmikesell at gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:25:48 +0000
> From: Anne Wilson <cannewilson at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: pine program and mail services with FC6 System
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <200702061725.49097.cannewilson at tiscali.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Tuesday 06 February 2007 12:54, edwardspl at ita.org.mo wrote:
>>
>> So...how to config ( enable ) the Dovecot ( /etc/dovecot.conf ) ?
>
> You go to the dovecot site where there is a very detailed wiki, giving
> examples of everything you need.
>
> Anne
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:29:05 -0600
> From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Security Updates -- Are they necessary in Linux for user?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Tim wrote:
>>> Scott van Looy:
>>>>> Default is not to cache files. Change:
>>>>> keepcache=0
>>>>> in /etc/yum.conf
>>>
>>>
>>> Mikkel L. Ellertson:
>>>> This controls keeping of installed files. but doesn't YUM keep the
>>>> files it was not able to install even with keepcache=0?
>>> The parameter is called keepcache not keepinstalled, and that seems to
>>> be how it behaves, despite what it says about it the yum.conf man page:
>>>
>>> keepcache
>>> Either ¡1¢ or ¡0¢. Determines whether or not yum keeps the cache
>>> of headers and packages after succesful installation. Default
>>> is ¢1¢ (keep files)
>>>
>>> I've observed it to dump files its cached for the next run, so they need
>>> re-downloading, even if they weren't installed.
>>>
>>> NB: Although the default for YUM may be "1" (keep files), the default
>>> preset in the yum.conf file is "0" (don't keep files).
>>>
>>>
>> I have had just the opposite experience - the files are still in
>> /var/cache/yum/{repo}/packages. At times, I have used rpm to install
>> most of the packages.
>>
>> I wish YUM would install the packages that do not have conflicts,
>> instead of aborting on the first error...
>
> Yum is a strange beast, best left to do things its own way, which has
> varied wildly between versions (including that default about keeping the
> cached files). If you do a 'yum search yum' you'll see a variety of
> tools intended to help tame the beast in the extras repository. If
> there is some way to find out what yum-utils and the assortment of
> plugins actually do, I haven't found it yet.
>
> --
> Les Mikesell
> lesmikesell at gmail.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:35:02 +0000
> From: Anne Wilson <cannewilson at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: FedoraCore 6 smbd /write acces problem
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <200702061735.02994.cannewilson at tiscali.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> On Tuesday 06 February 2007 16:39, Andrada Meda Felegean wrote:
>> Hello to All,
>>
>> I have installed Fedora Core 6 (Zod) on a machine meant to sustain
>> the
>> WinMentor database for an internal network. I have configured smb.conf
>> and
>> tested it with testparm and everything went OK. [root at CIEmentor usr]#
>> testparm
>> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
>> Processing section "[CIEWinMentor]"
>> Loaded services file OK.
>> Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
>> Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions
>> [root at CIEmentor usr]#
>>
>> Here is my smb.conf file:
>> #======================= Global Settings
>> ===================================== [global]
>> workgroup = MATRICON
>> server string = Mentor Server
>> security = share
>> hosts allow = 192.168.0.
>> guest account = root
>> log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
>> max log size = 50
>> local master = no
>> os level = 33
>> preferred master = no
>> dns proxy = no
>> add machine script = /usr/sbin/adduser -n -g machines -c Machine -d
>> /dev/null -s /bin/false %u #============================ Share
>> Definitions
>> ============================== [CIEWinMentor]
>> comment = CIE WinMentor Databases
>> path = /usr/mentor
>> guest ok = yes
>> writable = yes
>> create mask = 777
>> sync always = yes
>> hosts allow = 192.168.0.9 192.168.0.10
>> public = yes
>>
>> The problem is that when i try to create a new file or folder from the
>> browser, my acces is denied. I am able to see and access the
>> folders/files
>> that i have already copied on the Hdd, i am able to copy data and create
>> new directories via ssh connection, but i have no write access from the
>> browser. The error that i receive is:
>>
>> [root at CIEmentor usr]# tail -f /var/log/messages
>> Feb 6 15:54:49 CIEmentor kernel: audit(1170770089.930:70): avc: denied
>> {
>> write } for pid=12486 comm="smbd" name="mentor" dev=dm-0 ino=7791439
>> scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0 tcontext=root:object_r:usr_t:s0
>> tclass=dir
>> Feb 6 15:54:49 CIEmentor kernel: audit(1170770089.934:71): avc: denied
>> {
>> write } for pid=12486 comm="smbd" name="mentor" dev=dm-0 ino=7791439
>> scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0 tcontext=root:object_r:usr_t:s0
>> tclass=dir
>> Feb 6 15:54:49 CIEmentor kernel: audit(1170770089.934:72): avc: denied
>> {
>> write } for pid=12486 comm="smbd" name="mentor" dev=dm-0 ino=7791439
>> scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0 tcontext=root:object_r:usr_t:s0
>> tclass=dir
>> Feb 6 15:54:49 CIEmentor kernel: audit(1170770089.938:73): avc: denied
>> {
>> write } for pid=12486 comm="smbd" name="mentor" dev=dm-0 ino=7791439
>> scontext=root:system_r:smbd_t:s0 tcontext=root:object_r:usr_t:s0
>> tclass=dir
>>
>> What can go wrong?
>>
> /usr/anything is not considered a good place for shared directories. Take
> a
> look at
>
> ls -l /usr/
>
> Also, I wouldn't be happy with the line
>
> guest account = root
>
> Anne
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:46:54 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Beartooth <Beartooth at swva.net>
> Subject: VDQ respins
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <eqaeud$mfa$3 at sea.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Afaik, the FC6 respins are available only over bittorrent; and I couldn't
> seem to get bittorrent to work. I finally contacted my very helpful local
> ISP. They wrote me up a walk-through, which I have done -- and now I can't
> seem to find the site for the respins any more, nor the post here that had
> given it to me. <whimper, sniff ...>
>
> Clue, please? We're having an installfest this weekend, and as one fo the
> few who run FC6.ppc (at least locally that I know of), I want to take
> along some nice fresh CDs and DVDs.
>
> --
> Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert
> Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:54:04 -0800
> From: John Wendel <john.wendel at metnet.navy.mil>
> Subject: WARNING - Possible Data Corruption
> To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <45C8C0BC.4040909 at metnet.navy.mil>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> I just saw what appears to be a data corruption problem on one of my
> boxes. I'm not sure at this point exactly whats happening, but I
> thought I'd warn people that there might be a problem.
>
> Software
>
> Latest FC6 with updates as of last night, running 2.6.19.***. No LVM,
> no raid, 3 drives, 1 IDE, 2 SATA.
>
> Hardware
>
> Older Intel P4 on a VIA based motherboard. This system has been
> totally stable for about 2 years and I use it daily without seeing any
> problems.
>
> [1] Seagate IDE drive on a VIA 8235 controller, system boots from this
> disk and it holds the /home partition.
>
> [2] Maxtor SATA drive on a Promise TX2300 controller mounted on
> "data2" in my home directory.
>
> What I saw
>
> On the IDE drive, in my home directory, I have a directory ("DVD")
> holding three dvd ISO images. I wanted to move the images to the SATA
> drive because the IDE drive was getting full (80% used).
>
> I copied ("cp -a DVD data2/DVD") the 3 DVD images (27 GB) from the IDE
> drive to the SATA drive. After the copy, I did a "du" in the source
> and destination directories. All of the destination files were smaller
> than the source files. I checked /var/log/messages and didn't see any
> errors.
>
> At that point, I had to leave for work, so I haven't done any more
> investigation. When I get back home, I'll of course retry the copy.
>
> Anybody got any clues about what I should look for / try next?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:26:10 -0500
> From: "William W. Austin" <waustin at speakeasy.net>
> Subject: Odd Keyboard problem on FC (3-4-5-6) - config maybe?
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID:
> <1170768370l.18991l.0l at dsl027-161-055.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; DelSp=Yes; Format=Flowed
>
> I have an odd problem which occurs on 2 machines - my main workstations
> at work and in my home office. Periodically with no discernable
> pattern the keyboard will "disconnect" from each machine. The keyboard
> is still responsive - I can, for instance do the
> <SCROLL-LOCK><SCROLL-LOCK># to change to a different machine, and the
> keyboard is completely OK. But <CTRL><ALT><BACKSPACE> for instance
> does not work.
>
> When the problem occurs I see nothing unusual in /var/log/messages or
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and dmesg shows nothing odd.
>
> The office machine is running FC5 on an athlon xp2500+ while the
> machine at home is running FC6 on an athlon 64 x2 dual core 4600+.
> Both systems have all patches completely up-to-date (as of noon
> yesterday, anyway). Both have at least 1GB ram, large drives (mixed
> scsi and sata/scsi) with 3-4GB of swap. All of the hardware is
> different between the 2 machines.
>
> There are only 3 commonalities between the configurations on the two
> machines. First both have a default run level of 3, not 5, on each.
> Second, I have similar .Xdefaults and profile files on both machines,
> and finally both systems attach to their keyboard/monitor through a KVM
> switch (but a different brand/model. (One system's kvm switch has 2
> linux, 1 sparc/solaris and 1 win2000 machine on it, while the other's
> has 2 linux and 2 win2000 boxen on it.) But I had used kvm switches
> for years before this problem ever started cropping up during FC3 IIRC.
>
> The problem doesn't seem to be related to how heavily the machine is
> being used and occurs at random intervals. I can go 3 weeks without it
> happening on either machine, but then the next day it can happen 2-3
> times on either or both machines. Not always, but usually (I *think*) I
> will have an openoffice window (doc or spreadsheet) open along with at
> least a couple of other windows (xterms), but the OO window is not
> necessarily active. OTOH, I've had it happen with only an xterm window
> open and nothing else.
>
> When it occurs the mouse still works, and I can still close most apps
> and make a clean exit from Xwindows. So this is a nuisance - not a
> life-or-death showstopper - but it's a real pain.
>
> The problem occurs (on each system) for all users, even users with
> everything set to system default on both.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated - I've tried searching
> bugzilla and have RTFM'ed until my eyes started to bug out, but all
> without any success.
>
> Thanks in advance ...
> --
> william w. austin waustin at speakeasy.net
> "life is just another phase i'm going through. this time, anyway ..."
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:02:42 -0600
> From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Can Evolution be used to access yahoo mail?
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <45C8C2C2.9010600 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Todd Warner wrote:
>> Anyone ever get google to work with multiple POP clients? A use case
>> example could be: 1 work machine and 1 home machine pulling down the
>> same email.
>
> It works, but you only get new mail once.
>
>> Anyway. Google's implementation of POP support doesn't (or at least
>> didn't) work like traditional services. I finally gave up and just use
>> their web interface, which is very nice. I just can't read email
>> offline.
>
> You can, but don't download to a location where you don't have time to
> finish reading it... You can configure gmail to also 'archive' a copy
> as you download so you can read/respond/delete in your pop mailer and
> only use the web interface if you need to go back and search or access
> something you downloaded to the wrong place.
>
>> Things may be different now but it doesn't sound like it.
>
> If one of your own machines permits inbound internet connections the
> nicest approach is to run fetchmail and an imap server on it. Then you
> have a copy you can access from multiple locations and you can still
> read/respond/delete with gmail keeping an easily searchable archive copy
> for you.
>
> --
> Les Mikesell
> lesmikesell at gmail.com
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:06:40 -0800
> From: Rick Stevens <rstevens at vitalstream.com>
> Subject: Re: [solved] Re: No squid logging after FC6 upgrade
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1170785200.5284.42.camel at prophead.corp.publichost.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 16:43 +0100, Hans Müller wrote:
>> Hans Müller schrieb:
>> > Hallo, after upgrade from FC5 to FC6 squid don't log the access in the
>> > file /var/squid/acces.log
>> > anymore. What must be changed to get working again.
>> >
>> The parameter name was changed in FC6 in the config file.
>> Form cache_access_log to access_log.
>
> Yeah. It'd sure be nice if the Squid folk would get consistent with
> WHAT directives are being renamed and on which versions. As it is, you
> have to figure it out yourself. It's really getting on my nerves.
>
> I mean, make a clean change with 2.6.STABLE10 or something. "With
> 2.6.STABLE10, we're going to the 3.0 directives. 2.4 and 2.6 directives
> no longer work."
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> - Rick Stevens, Senior Systems Engineer rstevens at vitalstream.com -
> - VitalStream, Inc. http://www.vitalstream.com -
> - -
> - If your broker is so damned smart...why is he still working? -
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:09:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ed Landaveri <ed7tux at yahoo.com>
> Subject: GM & MS
> To: Fedora-List <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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> At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the
> Computer industry with the auto industry and stated,"If GM had kept up
> with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving
> $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
>
> In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release
> stating:
> If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving
> cars with the following characteristics (and I just love this part):
>
> 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash........T twice a day.
>
> 2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to
> buy a new car.
>
> 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You
> would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows,
> shut off The car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could
> continue.
> For Some reason you would simply accept this.
>
> 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause
> your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would
> have to Reinstall the engine.
>
> 5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was
> reliable, Five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would
> run on only Five Percent of the roads.
>
> 6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all
> Be replaced by a single "This C AR Has Performed An Illegal Operation"
> Warning light.
>
> I love the next one!!!
> 7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.
>
> 8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out
> And refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door
> handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
>
> 9. Every time a new car was introduced, car buyers would have to learn
> How To drive all over again because none of the controls would operate
> in the same manner as the old car.
>
> 10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.
> For all the above reasons: Move to Linux, the best choice!
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:15:15 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Scott van Looy <scott at ethosuk.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: GM & MS
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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> Today Ed Landaveri did spake thusly:
>
>> At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the
>> Computer industry with the auto industry and stated,"If GM had kept up
>> with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving
>> $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
>
> </snip>
>
> http://www.snopes.com/humor/jokes/autos.asp
>
> It gets less funny after the 20th time...
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:12:06 -0800
> From: parishd <parishd at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Can Evolution be used to access yahoo mail?
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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> On 2/5/07, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 14:08 -0700, Gueckel, P. wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, the problem has been solved: there never was one (hehehe). I
>> > didn't know
>> > google doesn't allow downloading of one's own mails to oneself.
>>
>> I think I will go to google and bitch about it. If two or more do the
>> same thing, it may get some attention.
>>
> I have been doing some googling and found repeated complaints about
> mail to self not being downloaded via pop since gmail was released.
> The answer from gmail, repeated as recently as last month, is that
> gmail "doesn't do that". Apparently it is going to take an act of God
> to get it corrected, and yes, I do believe this is a significant
> problem.
>
> Daniel
>
>
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