How NSA access was built into Windows
Lyvim Xaphir
knightmerc at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 16 05:13:17 UTC 2007
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 22:58 -0600, Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:57:37 -0500
> Lyvim Xaphir <knightmerc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 13:47 +1030, Tim wrote:
> > > Ralf Corsepius:
> > > >>> One thing I can tell for sure: There is still a noticeable group
> > > >>> of Linux users in Europe, for whom this incident and the NSA's
> > > >>> involvement into SELinux is an argument for "not choosing"
> > > >>> Fedora.
> > >
> > > Claude Jones
> > > >> I'm not surprised, and I have heard that myself - in fact, that
> > > >> comes up quite frequently in other forums and lists - I just
> > > >> haven't seen much discussion of it here...
> > >
> > > Anne Wilson:
> > > > That reads as though Fedora is the only one employing SELinux.
> > > > I'm sure that's not so, and I've definitely seen it proposed in
> > > > magazines as the way forward that will become a de facto standard.
> > >
> > > Taking the opposite line of attack, it is possible to completely
> > > remove it from a Linux installation, isn't it?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Good question. I'd like to find out about that myself.
>
> Hello, Everyone
> I don't know if this is a full answer to the above question, but I
> thought that I'd try running "yum remove *selinux*" just for fun. See
> the result at: http://www.afolkey2.net/Projects/selinux.txt
>
> For the impatient, the file referred to above says that I would need to
> remove 979 RPM's:
>
> > Transaction Summary
> > =============================================================================
> > Install 0 Package(s)
> > Update 0 Package(s)
> > Remove 979 Package(s)
>
> Here is the output of rpm -qa on my system:
> http://www.afolkey2.net/Projects/rpm.txt
>
> It shows that 1,617 RPM's are installed on my system. So, if I would
> remove all *selinux* packages, I would have 638 RPM's left.
> Unfortunately, I would have no kernel:
> kernel i686 2.6.18-1.2868.fc6 installed 44 M
> kernel i686 2.6.18-1.2869.fc6 installed 44 M
> kernel i586 2.6.18-1.2849.fc6 installed 43 M
> kernel-devel i686 2.6.18-1.2868.fc6 installed 14 M
> kernel-devel i586 2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 installed 14 M
> kernel-devel i686 2.6.18-1.2869.fc6 installed 14 M
> kernel-devel i586 2.6.18-1.2849.fc6 installed 14 M
>
> I am not an expert. I only submit this for the experts to interpret.
>
> Steven P. Ulrick
>
> --
> 22:58:26 up 42 days, 5:06, 0 users, load average: 0.18, 0.41, 0.44
Wow. That just pegged my absurd-o-meter.
This is a little *too* difficult. Now I'm wondering about rpm --force
--nodeps. Think I'll give that a try.
LX
>
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