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Re: How NSA access was built into Windows



On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 22:58 -0600, Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:57:37 -0500
> Lyvim Xaphir <knightmerc yahoo com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 13:47 +1030, Tim wrote:
> > > Ralf Corsepius:
> > > >>> One thing I can tell for sure: There is still a noticeable group
> > > >>> of Linux users in Europe, for whom this incident and the NSA's
> > > >>> involvement into SELinux is an argument for "not choosing"
> > > >>> Fedora.
> > > 
> > > Claude Jones
> > > >> I'm not surprised, and I have heard that myself - in fact, that
> > > >> comes up quite frequently in other forums and lists - I just
> > > >> haven't seen much discussion of it here...
> > > 
> > > Anne Wilson:
> > > > That reads as though Fedora is the only one employing SELinux.
> > > > I'm sure that's not so, and I've definitely seen it proposed in
> > > > magazines as the way forward that will become a de facto standard.
> > > 
> > > Taking the opposite line of attack, it is possible to completely
> > > remove it from a Linux installation, isn't it?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Good question.  I'd like to find out about that myself.
> 
> Hello, Everyone
> I don't know if this is a full answer to the above question, but I
> thought that I'd try running "yum remove *selinux*" just for fun.  See
> the result at: http://www.afolkey2.net/Projects/selinux.txt
> 
> For the impatient, the file referred to above says that I would need to
> remove 979 RPM's:
> 
> > Transaction Summary
> > =============================================================================
> > Install      0 Package(s)         
> > Update       0 Package(s)         
> > Remove     979 Package(s)
> 
> Here is the output of rpm -qa on my system:
> http://www.afolkey2.net/Projects/rpm.txt
> 
> It shows that 1,617 RPM's are installed on my system.  So, if I would
> remove all *selinux* packages, I would have 638 RPM's left.
> Unfortunately, I would have no kernel:
> kernel                  i686       2.6.18-1.2868.fc6  installed          44 M
> kernel                  i686       2.6.18-1.2869.fc6  installed          44 M
> kernel                  i586       2.6.18-1.2849.fc6  installed          43 M
> kernel-devel            i686       2.6.18-1.2868.fc6  installed          14 M
> kernel-devel            i586       2.6.18-1.2798.fc6  installed          14 M
> kernel-devel            i686       2.6.18-1.2869.fc6  installed          14 M
> kernel-devel            i586       2.6.18-1.2849.fc6  installed          14 M
> 
> I am not an expert.  I only submit this for the experts to interpret.
> 
> Steven P. Ulrick
> 
> -- 
>  22:58:26 up 42 days,  5:06,  0 users,  load average: 0.18, 0.41, 0.44

Wow.  That just pegged my absurd-o-meter.

This is a little *too* difficult.  Now I'm wondering about rpm --force
--nodeps.  Think I'll give that a try. 


LX


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