Livna nVidia problems...

Lonni J Friedman netllama at
Sat Jun 23 14:46:15 UTC 2007

On 6/23/07, Chris Jones <jonesc at> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 3:16:08 pm Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> > On 6/23/07, Chris Jones <jonesc at> wrote:
> > > > Grr, sods!  Some might think that not an issue, since you don't change
> > > > graphic cards that much, usually.  But you may if you test people's
> > > > machines.  And the same issue bites you if you try to go back to the
> > > > open source nv driver to get around something you can't get to work
> > > > with the nvidia driver (I experienced that, myself).
> > >
> > > This is the worst thing about the official nivida installer, and why I
> > > will never use it.
> >
> > Running:
> > nvidia-installer --uninstall
> > puts everything back to the way it was prior to installing the nvidia
> > driver.  You're also welcome to continue believing and/or spreading
> > the misinformation of others.
> Last time I tried that it didn't work properly. I admit it was about 6 months
> ago but I have no intention of trying it again seeing as the livna rpms work
> fine. If it does work now I apologize (but will continue to prefer an rpm)

If it didn't work properly that's a bug that should (have been)
reported to NVIDIA.

> > > The livna rpms work around this and install the nvidia opengl libs in
> > > such a way that it doesn't conflict with the default ones, but exist side
> > > by side.
> >
> > That isnt' accurate.  They still conflict.  You can't use both sets of
> > libGL libraries simultaneously.  What is your need for having both
> > sets when you'd only want to use NVIDIA's libGL?
> Sorry, I was not clear. What I should have said was the livna rpms installs
> some startup scripts that automatically enable the nvidia driver during boot
> up. If it finds, for a given kernel it is not available it puts everything
> back so the nv driver works OK.

I guess I don't understand why that's preferably behavior.  If you
don't have the nvidia driver installed at boot time, then you're going
to end up with poor performance regardless.  And I've seen many
reports of people who ended up with their system falling back to the
'nv' driver, they were unaware of it, and complained about poor
performance.  So the sword cuts both ways.  Its only good if you
understand what's happening, and in that case, wouldn't it be better
to just install the nvidia driver?

> In this way you can have some kernels using the nv driver and others using the
> nvidia one, if you want, and you can boot between them as you want, without
> having to edit xorg.conf or mess around removing and adding back the nvidia
> driver.
> If you use the official installer you cannot do this, you can only switch from
> the nv to the nvidia driver and back again by manually adding or removing the
> driver. I agree this is not a common use case, but I have occasionally wanted
> to do this for one reason or another.
> Also, by installing the livna rpm I automatically get a new kernel module each
> time a kernel update comes around - No mucking around installing by hand.
> This is very convenient.

I suppose, but I don't see what's so hard about installing the driver.
 Its not like its difficult or even time consuming.

> Please do get me wrong, I don't really have anything against the installer per
> se, and I'm very grateful for what nvidia is doing for linux support. Its
> just that for obvious reasons the official nvidia installer is somewhat
> distro-neutral, and a properly packaged rpm or whatever, for a given distro,
> is also going to me more convenient. Just my opinion.

That's fine.  I appreciate your feedback.

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