Volume Control use

[Karl Larsen]

David Boles wrote:
> on 6/22/2007 2:50 PM, Karl Larsen wrote:
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>> David Boles wrote:
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>>> on 6/22/2007 1:29 PM, Karl Larsen wrote:
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>>>> David Boles wrote:
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>>>>> on 6/22/2007 5:04 AM, Karl Larsen wrote:
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>>>>>> David Boles wrote:
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>>>>>>> on 6/21/2007 7:23 PM, Tim wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 12:59 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>     If you have either F7 or F6 with all the updates you will have a 
>>>>>>>>> Volume Control that is broken. When you click it up if your in the Alsa 
>>>>>>>>> mixer mode you on the right side a Microphone listed on the Playback 
>>>>>>>>> tab. This is wrong and if you look at the device below the Mike it shows 
>>>>>>>>> a speaker!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     To use this bad system first turn up the Master and Master Mono to 
>>>>>>>>> the top and set Mike to the top. Now click File and select the TriTech 
>>>>>>>>> OSS Mixer. 
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>>>>>>>> Firstly, that "TriTech" bit only refers to your hardware.  People with
>>>>>>>> different sound hardware will see something different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Second, make a damn bugzilla report.  We've all heard the same story
>>>>>>>> from you several times, this week.  We know about it by now, you're not
>>>>>>>> doing anything constructive about it.
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>>>>>>> Karl - Please read this and listen. I am not writing this to be mean or
>>>>>>> insulting in any way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have had FC-3, FC-4, FC-5, FC6, and FC-7 all installed one after the
>>>>>>> other. At the same time I have always had rawhide (the development branch
>>>>>>> of Fedora) installed too.  And my mixers/volume controls have all worked
>>>>>>> just fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I really think that your problems are either your hardware or Pebkac.
>>>>>>> Really. And if I had to bet I would bet on Pebkac.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>     Hi and first I have no idea what Pebkac is. I will try the man 
>>>>>> pages. Second, the problem is NOT my hardware. This same hardware works 
>>>>>> just fine if you don't upgrade the gstream software on FC6.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Finally it is not just my problem. There have been many on this list 
>>>>>> say they see the same thing on F7. What your complaining about was an 
>>>>>> effort I made to tell those using the Volume Control how to do it. And 
>>>>>> yes most people have just one sound card. That being said how I wonder 
>>>>>> do you adjust the mike gain?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karl
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>>>>> Pebkac - _p_roblem _e_xists _b_etween _k_eyboard _a_nd _c_omputer.  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> It means that you don't know, don't understand, or both, what you are
>>>>> doing. Which can be dangerous to your installation. You are using what is
>>>>> called the 'shotgun' method. What does that mean? Think about using a
>>>>> shotgun to try to kill a single housefly buzzing around your living room.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can understand you frustrations. Truly.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Gnome-Volume-Control, as you have been told by several people, has
>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with audio volume. What does that mean? that you
>>>>> are trying to solve your problem but twiddling with the wrong package.
>>>>>
>>>>> From what you are describing you are looking at a KDE GUI audio mixer
>>>>> application. And that I can not help you with because I do not use KDE.
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>>>>     David. In several cases I have called it the Gnome Volume Control. I 
>>>> have today filed a bug. We do not need to beat this old horse again. It 
>>>> is being worked on.
>>>>
>>>> Karl
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>>> Well in that case I wish you luck. I use GNOME as my desktop and do not
>>> have KDE, or any other desktop installed. All I can tell is that mine
>>> works. The red 'X's you mentioned switch on and off with a single, simple
>>> mouse click. And setting them on or off affects if the device they control
>>> works or doesn't work.
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>>     Well David don't keep us in suspense, what version of Fedora and did 
>> you apply all upgrades?
>>
>> Karl
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>
> You really want to know? Sure. It, what you are having problems with, has
> worked, for me, with FC-4, FC-5, FC-6, and Fedora 7. All the release
> installs and with all the updates applied as they were released.
>
> It also works, again for me, in Rawhide.  Rawhide is the development
> branch that eventually turns into the next release version. Rawhide
> updates daily, Several 100 megs daily is a normal update for Rawhide.
> Sometimes more. Sometimes less. It varies. Normal is four kernels a week
> as an example.
>
>   
    Well that's a good story. Please let me be one who doesn't believe 
you. This is because there are now 3 people working on the bug I wrote 
today! I doubt that those working on the bugs are more stupid than you?

    As for me, a simple PHD in EE in 1958, I have no idea how to fix 
this problem. But playing with rawhide strikes me as not a good idea.

Karl