Please 'leak' Fedora 8

Konstantin Svist fry.kun at
Tue Nov 6 01:39:42 UTC 2007

Res wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>> Res wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>>>> Is it actually that hard, or is it that the ISPs don't really want 
>>>> to invest time/money into it?
>>> To give you an idea, a net enforcer costs arounds 100K AU$ each, now 
>>> one per PoP, thats 7 here, however the amount of p2p use, that cost 
>>> is MORE then recovered in the FIRST month alone!
>> Yeah, that's what I thought.. and that's pretty much my point - the 
>> result doesn't justify the investment :)
> Investment in the net enforcers, saving an average of $160K in data 
> costs per PoP, per month, certainly justifies the initial cost outlay, 
> after all you spend 100K once for a saving of 160K per month, 
> therefore thats a nice contribution towards expanding, employing more 
> staff, advertising, and of course company profit (remember... ISP's 
> are not around for your enjoyment,
> they are a business out to make money, no profit = no business = no ISP)
> But certainly it doesnt justify the investment into p2p cache units, 
> since policies to shape the hell out of the abusers do a good enough 
> job already.
oh.. whoops, misread what you wrote :P
You're right, if ISPs really cared about the customers, maybe they 
could've invested a little $$ into multicast routers - which would lift 
a remove a lot of uselessly-duplicated traffic. But what's the point of 
thinking of what could've been :(

As I understand, one of the recent big problems ISPs are facing is that 
the "regular users" are joining the ranks of "few abusers." I mean, lots 
of customers visiting youtube and similar sites. You can't just block 
them all/slow them all down without repercussions...

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