Red Hat - Sun Now Java buddies

Sam Varshavchik mrsam at
Wed Nov 7 23:37:52 UTC 2007

Stijn Hoop writes:

> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:23:56 -0500
> "Kelly Miller" <lightsolphoenix at> wrote:
>> > * inserting Microsoft IP into the community and getting them to
>> > like it
>> > * crushing Java
>> > * crushing Flash
>> > * crushing standard Python
>> And Ruby, as well as attempting to hand Microsoft the keys to the
>> Gnome project...
> Geez, cut down on the FUD people. It's another programming language,

No, it's not just another programming language. It is a patent-encumbered 
programming language whose direction is steered and controlled by a 
convicted monopolist, whose declared, unquestioned, and ultimate goal is to 
destroy Linux.

> not a monstrous black hole sucking down all your favorite open source
> software.

… yet.

> If you don't like mono, don't use it.

True. Unfortunately a lot of Mono crap gets shoved into a typical Fedora 
install. Fortunately, it's still fairly easy to flush it out.

>                                        It's there because there was a
> demand for it, whether *you* like it or not.

There's also a lot of demand for MP3 software as well, yet there's no MP3 
support in Fedora, nor there should be. Just because there may or may not be 
demand for Mono (I do not necessarily agree that there are really a lot of 
people craving for all that bloat) it does not mean that it should be a part 
of Fedora.

>                                               It's not harming you or
> Fedora in any way.

No, not quite. The Fedora install on my laptop was suffering greatly, until 
I nuked Beagle and the rest of the Mono-related software. Then, I could 
actually use it, as intended.

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