Red Hat - Sun Now Java buddies

Kelly Miller lightsolphoenix at
Thu Nov 8 02:48:19 UTC 2007

Stijn Hoop wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:23:56 -0500
> "Kelly Miller" <lightsolphoenix at> wrote:
>>> * inserting Microsoft IP into the community and getting them to
>>> like it
>>> * crushing Java
>>> * crushing Flash
>>> * crushing standard Python
>> And Ruby, as well as attempting to hand Microsoft the keys to the
>> Gnome project...
> Geez, cut down on the FUD people. It's another programming language,
> not a monstrous black hole sucking down all your favorite open source
> software.
Um, since the first release of .NET, there are now .NET specific 
incompatible versions of Python, Ruby, Java, C/C++...

And they're being pushed as "official", even though they're actually 
being run by Microsoft behind the scenes.  So yeah, I'd say it's a black 
hole sucking down all my favorite open-source software.
> If you don't like mono, don't use it. It's there because there was a
> demand for it, whether *you* like it or not. It's not harming you or
> Fedora in any way
There is no demand for Mono, except for the artificial ones created by 
Miguel De Icaza to justify starting it in the first place.  C# is a 
brand new language, and why would anyone want to run VB in anything 
other than Windows?  The only "demand" for Mono is the desire of Miguel 
and certain other developers to BURY Java as deep as they can by 
substituting C# in its place.  And Microsoft goes along with this 
because THEY control C#, and can do the classic embrace and extend on it 
if they have to, screwing over anyone who relies heavily on it.

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