F8 x86_64 and i386 installs hang on Dell Optiplex 320 with Intel Pentium 2160 processor

[Alastair Neil]

On Nov 19, 2007 5:19 PM, Craig White <craig at tobyhouse.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 15:10 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote:
> > Alastair Neil wrote:
> > > On Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM, Alastair Neil <ajneil at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Nov 13, 2007 6:38 PM, Craig White <craig at tobyhouse.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:40 -0500, Alastair Neil wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have a Dell Optiplex 320 with a Pentium dual Dual Core CPU (
> 2160).
> > >>>> I am trying to boot off of a usb thumb drive with the disk images
> from
> > >>>>
> > >>>> the respective full DVD.isos.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Both fail to get past probing the serial ports on boot.  The i386
> > >>>> thumb drive has been used successfully to install a Dell 270.
> > >>>> Currently both hyperthreading and speedstep are enabled.  I have
> tried
> > >>>>
> > >>>> a few kernel parameters, such as pci=nomsi, acpi=off and noacpi to
> no
> > >>>> avail.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Has anyone succeeded in installing F8 on this hardware?
> > >>>>
> > >>> ----
> > >>> my fault, I have a number of bugzilla items in on this...
> > >>>
> > >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715
> > >>>
> > >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201
> > >>>
> > >>> you'll note that on the last one, I did figure out that appending
> > >>>
> > >>> pci=noacpi timesource=acpi_pm
> > >>>
> > >>> kernel parameters will allow you to install/boot
> > >>>
> > >>> but I have never gotten grub to boot on these things and nothing has
> > >>> changed there, thus I continue to use lilo to get these things to
> boot
> > >>> which means that each kernel update requires a manual run of lilo.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm hoping that we get these things all worked out as I am working
> > >>> doggedly with the kernel developers on this
> > >>>
> > >>> Craig
> > >>>
> > >> Craig,
> > >>
> > >> thanks for the tips adding pci=noapci and clocksource=acpi_pm indeed
> > >> allowed me to start the install.  I have added myself as a CC on the
> bugs
> > >> you mentioned so, I'll keep my fingers crossed.  A complication on my
> part
> > >> is that these are to be dual boot systems.  I havn't used lilo in
> years so
> > >> I'm going to have to brush up on my dual boot lilo configuration.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks again, Alastair
>
> > > An update for those following at home:
> > >
> > > I have managed to get these systems to boot using grub2, of course I
> have
> > > had to disable kernel updates in the yum.conf.
> > >
> > > As a side note I was absolutely dismayed by the state of grub
> development.
> > > The last release of grub2 was at the beginning of 2006.  It seems to
> be
> > > completely stagnant.  This certainly raises the question whither
> Fedora?
> > >
> > >
> >     I wonder what grub 2 might be. I had a lot of trouble with the grub
> > I have on F7 but it was all my lack of understanding how grub works and
> > now it works fine. Could you have the same problem?
> ----
> Karl, please refrain from entering this thread.
>
> It has nothing to do with you, nothing to do with anything you own, have
> ever done, will ever do and it is so highly unlikely that you will
> contribute anything constructive to it, that you need to ignore this
> thread completely...
>
> Thank you
>
> I don't know anything about grub2 but obviously GPL and similar license
> permits forking at will but of course, projects that aren't actively
> maintained aren't going to make it into mainstream distribution.
>
> That said, I'm not sure what grub2 offers that lilo doesn't offer...lilo
> works too.
>

I picked gub2 over lilo because my lilo skills are about 7 years out of date
and I hoped, futilely as it turned out, that I could use grub2 as a drop in
replacement for grub.  It appears that the current version, which is
actually just a  little over a year old - not the nearly 2 years I
originally said, is far from feature complete in terms of compatibility with
grub.

So I guess if you are happy with lilo there is no compelling reason to
switch.

I checked the mailing lists for the grub2 project and there is activity,
however I remain concerned that they have gone from a  dot release every few
months to nothing for over a year.  I 'm guessing they must be making a
major design  overhaul.

Alastair
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