Can Java just shoot me?

Les hlhowell at
Sat Nov 24 16:37:16 UTC 2007

On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 15:39 +0000, Chris G wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:08:59AM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 November 2007, Chris G wrote:
> > > Then you should complain to the people who wrote the web page, not the
> > > implementors of Java.
> > 
> > So he's going to complain to his IT organization... this is the right way to 
> > get Linux in the enterprise, yes?!  (no.)
> Maybe 'complain' was the wrong word, maybe 'ask for help'.  :-)  But
> whatever it's as likely that the web page implementors are going to be
> able to help as anyone else.
> >                                            Chris, many users of Fedora are 
> > doing so in organizations where they have zero control of the infrastructure; 
> > Fedora needs to adapt to the infrastructure that is present, because the 
> > infrastructure that is present is not going to be changed just for little old 
> > Fedora's sake.  If you think the infrastructure needs to be changed just to 
> > accommodate an unsupported OS, well, you don't know what you're talking 
> > about.  Some IT organizations will work with you, unless you make yourself a 
> > pest: do that, and they may decide to intentionally make it difficult for 
> > you.
> > 
> I do actually do *exactly* this.  I have one of the two (there may be
> three, not quite sure) Fedora Linux desktop machines at work among
> probably 50 or more Windows XP machines.  Our parent (US) company is
> 100% MS as far as I know.  I'm thus fairly well aware of some of the
> issues at least.
> [snip me not liking Java and you saying it's the way to do something]
> OK, you have a case where Java is useful/necessary, that doesn't mean
> that *many* (or even most) uses of Java in web applications are good
> and necessary.
> Fundamentally I don't think we disagree!  :-)
> -- 
> Chris Green
Do you mean Java or JavaScript? They are totally different systems.
Java is the compiled language, written by Sun.  JavaScript was a
language developed by the Netscape folks, and modified by Microsoft,
making it vulnerable to web attacks.

Les H

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