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Re: ATI video comes out of the closet



On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 11:32:27AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> While I agree that there is a potential for cases you can't compare, 
> there is a large overlap that you can: the case where all the components 
> are designed to operate together and the OS is aware of them.

Ah--I'm not aware of that situation in a PC-based world.  Every vendor uses
components from third-party providers, even if they're branded for the vendor.

> And how does that differ conceptually from buying a system integrated by 
> Dell, HP, etc. and pre-loaded with an OS?

Totally.  Dell, HP, etc. buy third-party cards and component systems, and
generally use the drivers from those vendors.  Apple pretty much rolls their
own, AFAIK.

> The issue is why an end user should encounter any such problem.  The 
> fact that you _can_ build a windows or linux box out of an experimental, 
> never-tried-before combination of parts and software doesn't mean it is 
> a good idea if you aren't a design engineer looking for a new problem to 
> solve.

It happens _all_ the time in the PC world.  People trot into Best Buy,
Circuit City, CompUSA--well, not there so much, any more--and numerous
on-line vendors, and buy all manner of cards and peripherals; no single
vendor will have tested all the permutations end-users come up with.

Good idea?  Prolly not.  Reality?  Absolutely.

> Yes, and my experience over the last 5 years has been that the Windows 
> versions are more dependable than the fedora versions.  I'm sure there 
> are individual exceptions to that, but I just don't see fedora as a 
> bastion of stability here - or in a position to claim that they have the 
> only approach to drivers that can work.

And why should anyone ever EXPECT Fedora to be stable?  Fer Ghu's sake,
it's the experimental, bleedin' edge release for RedHat.  I could NEVER
suggest Fedora to a client, or even to someone who doesn't have "playing
with dynamite" on their resume as a favored past-time.

Fedora will have the latest'n'greatest, coolest stuff in the FOSS world.
And it's *going* to break; face it.

That's why it's on my laptop and test system, and not on my server.

> The Vista approach deserves to fail for the same reasons DRM does, but 
> the driving force has to be consumer reaction.  If something is 
> difficult to use, don't use it.

Oh, that's a different world'o'argument.

Cheers,
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	Dave Ihnat
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