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Re: Fedora philosophy (was ATI video comes out of the closet)

Ed Greshko wrote:

I'll preface what I am going to say below by repeating what I've already
said which I thought was quite simple.

"When making a choice to use RHEL the client *did not* first
experiment with
or try out Fedora."  Period, end of story.
OK, then I guess you don't have experience with the situation I am
trying to describe.

No.  It seems that the people I work with are much more experienced and or

I don't get it. I thought you said they weren't experienced with Fedora. Are they or aren't they?

_IF_ your client had experience and expertise with fedora,
perhaps going back to the RH versions before the fedora split, would you
take into account the fact that using RHEL on the server side would take
no extra training on either the admin or operators parts?  But maybe
places like that don't call consultants.

That is a mighty big *IF* you have there.  As I already said, the type of
clients I work with know not to compare/use Fedora as a basis for their

What do you mean by 'know not to compare'? FC3 and FC6 were virtually identical to the cuts of RHEL at the corresponding times give or take an application version or two. If you are considering a deployment on an upcoming RHEL release, fedora is as close as you are going to get to that code base for testing prior to the release.

> I'm sorry to say that is *fact*.  If you can't deal with that, I
can't help you.

I don't know about 'dealing' with it.  I don't understand it.

That's sort of like saying that if you have the resources you could
assemble a fleet of custom built cars from parts and maintain them
yourself instead of driving standard models.  Yes it could be done. It's
just not a good idea, and not something most places should have to do.
Especially with free software where it should only have to be done once
and everyone should be able to copy it.

????  It is done only once...by the IT staff.  As a matter of fact, in the
places that I've done work each desktop is not updated by using RHN
directly.  They use the Red Hat Satellite Server to deploy and update and
control software distribution.  And the updates are not placed on the
satellite server until vetted by the IT department.

It is also done via automated processes since not everyone should have to
know how/when to update their systems.  That is not their primary function
in life.  It seems you think everyone should be a sysadmin?

Not at all. I'm saying that no one should need to be a sysadmin because the distribution should be usable as is. That fact that this concept seems foreign to you shows just how badly those distributions miss the mark. And everyone certainly shouldn't need to be sysadmins on wildly differing distributions just to be able to use linux on both their desktops and their servers.

  Les Mikesell
   lesmikesell gmail com

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