Samsung printer woes

[Da Rock]

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 19:18 +0930, Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 18:39 +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> > Right now I'm going to have rant:
> > 
> > I'm seriously pissed off at this SELinux. As near as I can see it does
> > bugger all, but when it stuffs up or gets in the way it does a right
> > royal job of it!
> > 
> > Now that thats out of the way, I installed the drivers and software
> > nicely supplied by Samsung (unified linux drivers for mfp) which can
> > only be installed by root. Root can't print- and is stopped by
> > SELinux, and users can't print because the cups setup is root.
> > Shouldn't this be simpler? Any thoughts on what I can do here? 
> 
> Well, I don't have a Samsung printer, but I can say that printing does
> work with other printers.  SELinux stopping something from working
> points the finger squarely at that thing (those particular drivers) for
> doing something that they shouldn't be doing.  Whether that be design
> flaw, or a fault with how you've tried to install them.
> 
> You haven't posted the error messages from SELinux.  You haven't said
> precisely what drivers you've installed, nor where from.  Nor how you
> installed them.
> 
> SELinux has had its faults, but it's generally software doing things it
> shouldn't that is the real problem.  Do you really want software that
> does stupid things, or software that's written properly?
> 
> Given that bad software becomes a real showstopper with SELinux is does
> force the software to get fixed up, more than other influences.
> 
> i.e. In the past, disgruntled users might report that software works in
> a bad manner, and programmers may ignore it because the software does
> still work.  Now it's the software works properly or it doesn't work,
> and they're faced with having to fix it.  Telling victims to turn off
> their protective software gets the drubbing it deserves.

Ok, (we're going off the point a little here) so you're about tell a
manufacturer who is willing to cooperate with OSS and provide drivers to
shove it where the sun don't shine because of a system which for all
purposes that I can see here does squat?

We want manufacturers to cooperate to get people away from the shit made
by M$ which causes us a lot of grief by being zombified and attacking
linux systems, choking networks and systems, etc. Making life difficult
for them is not a good thing...