F8(1) vs multimedia production(0)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 16:58 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >
> >> Even if you don't care about cleaning up the context you are about to 
> >> force everyone else to wade through
> > 
> > You mean like I just did when replying to you? Why do you keep mixing up
> > the default initial cursor placement with editing the context?
> 
> They aren't mixed up - they are both something you change to suit 
> yourself regardless of the initial state.

At no time have I said or implied anything different from this. The
whole point of this discussion is what is the most convenient location
for the cursor under the assumption that we'd like to discourage
top-posting.

> >> you have to be really, really lazy 
> >> to not be able to punch control-end or control-home to jump from one end 
> >> to the other.
> > 
> > Not so much lazy as ignorant. I have to say I have never heard of this.
> > I've never used an editor where this is the standard (neither vi nor
> > emacs work this way). I see OpenOffice does, but I can't say I think of
> > word-processing commands when using an email composer. Maybe I'm just
> > old-fashioned.
> 
> I did say that things written in the last 2 decades use the standards 
> that mostly started with IBM's 1987 CUA (common user interface) work. 
> Emacs and vi predate that and don't follow any standards.

Well I've been using Unix since 1975 and never even heard of this (or
have long forgotten it, who knows?). It would be interesting to have a
straw poll on this list to see how many people know what it is. Does the
GNU documentation make any reference to it?

I've just had a look at the Wikipedia article
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_User_Access), where we find the
following gem:

        "CUA has never had significant impact on Unix terminal
        applications."

> > BTW the Evo documentation says nothing about it that I can see, neither
> > in the online help nor in the quick reference sheet.
> 
> I'm not sure where to find the current standard interface tricks but the 
> keyboard ones mostly go back to character mode days.  But I normally 
> surf the inbox and preview pane with the mouse/scroll wheel (you can 
> hover over the preview window and scroll without losing focus on the 
> header window so up/down/delete keys continue to work there) and use it 
> to click the reply button, so my hand is on the mouse when the reply 
> window opens and it is easiest to just click where I want to start, 
> ignoring the default cursor position.

IOW, what I said originally: you scroll to where you want.

poc