Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200

[Jim Cornette]

Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:45:12 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote:
> 
>>>> I myself am not on the announce list 
>>> Why not?
>> Because I never thought the list was informative.
> 
> Do you prefer to see emergency situations more often? ;)

No emergencies would be ideal.

> 
> It can be argued what types of messages really belong on fedora-announce-list,
> but new Fedora releases, EOL, and outage notifications already have
> been posted to that list. It's not a message a day yet (it's a few
> messages per month instead of one per month as I mistyped elsewhere).

I am signed up now on the announce list. The account is sent to a low 
volume account so should be easily spotted when they may be generated.

> 
>>> fedora-list? It is a high-traffic discussion list where one can miss an
>>> important message too easily in hundreds of unimportant messages which
>>> are filtered into a special folder.
>> It being a high volume list pretty much prevents every user to have 
>> filtered the important message and replies to the message out.
> 
> You assume that every user reads the list every day.
> Plus, the more lists an announcement is posted to, the more likely it is
> that replies are posted to a different list and start a thread there.

I have let the list go unread for several days and can see your point 
there. The dissatisfaction some listers see with noise to data, this 
thread included, would make daily reading more likely if these 
discussions did not take place.

> 
>>> [Btw, fedora-test-list ought to be merged with fedora-devel-list,
>>> and Test Update release reports ought to be posted to fedora-list.]
>>>
>> The last time that I was on the development list it had an atmosphere of 
>> don't post here, this is for developers to discuss issues. I believe 
>> there is a warning to that effect on the web page to sign up.
>> The fedora-test-list works out fine for informing people of problems 
>> with development and also the testing updates get feedback to the 
>> developers who are subscribed to that list.
> 
> Okay, you took the bait. That was an idea for finding out what you
> would say to other reorganisation of the lists. The problem with
> fedora-test-list is that it is supposed to be for "testers of
> fedora development releases" which is different from "test updates for
> stable releases". Test updates are relevant to users of stable releases,
> but those users don't like to read all the other traffic. And the list
> is a source of many off-topic threads and cross-posts (to -devel *and*
> -test).
> 

Testing is testing whether it be full blown chance taking or the 
moderate and less chance of error testing packages.
Maybe rawhide issues can be discussed on the development list and only 
testing issues generated on fedora test list. I have benefited by both 
issues being discussed on the -test list. (Recovery from X errors, lib 
problems, kernel and SELinux errors, t name a few issue)

Jim

PS - I liked Les' fedora-FEMA list idea.


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