No gdb?

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 12 December 2008 19:09:29 Todd Denniston wrote:
> Linuxguy123 wrote, On 12/12/2008 01:15 PM:
> > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 18:03 +0000, dexter wrote:
> >> 2008/12/12 Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123 at gmail.com>:
> >>>> gdb without *debuginfo* is also useless to a bug report and they get
> >>>> big pretty quick so I say no gdb for normal folk.
> >>>
> >>> How big is big ?  Hard drives are cheap these days, right ?
> >>
> >> true, but bandwith & media sizes are also a factor.
> >
> > Yes and no...
> >
> > Bandwidth: most of us with broadband connections will pay the same gdb
> > or no.  For Fedora, I understand that server bandwidth might be an
> > issue, but I think most of Fedora is served via mirrors.
> >
> > Media sizes: DVDs don't cost a lot more than CDs.   I am VERY excited
> > about installing on USB sticks.  4GB sticks are pretty affordable.
>
> I think you missed the point about the *debuginfo*
> kernel-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i586.rpm	08-Dec-2008 14:07 	 19M
> kernel-debuginfo-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i586.rpm	08-Dec-2008 14:19 	249M
>
> kdebase-4.1.3-2.fc10.i386.rpm	25-Nov-2008 14:53 	5.6M
> kdebase-runtime-4.1.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm	25-Nov-2008 14:53 	5.7M
> kdebase-debuginfo-4.1.3-2.fc10.i386.rpm	25-Nov-2008 14:53 	 27M
> kdebase-runtime-debuginfo-4.1.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm	25-Nov-2008 14:54 	 14M
>
> Now how many packages did you install?
> how many are giving you trouble that you need to debug them?
>
> I understand the convince thing of having gdb+debuginfo already installed,
> but for folks who are:
> a) happy running a system that never gives them a problem
> b) just into running their system and will not be bothered to put in a BZ
> or
> c) are rarely running into problems that would kick an error where
> gdb+debuginfo is useful
>
> having *_ALL_* of the debuginfo's installed is a waste of their machine's
> hard drive and sometimes memory, update bandwidth, and always their time
> away from wesnoth waiting for the download.
>
> What would probably be useful is:
> a) have the KDE applet which spit out Anne's "it couldn't create a bug
> report, as gdb is not installed.", get some _more_ intelligence added such
> that it might suggest (on a fedora system)
> 'please execute as root `yum install gdb kdeThingThatBroke-debuginfo`, so
> that next time this happens we can provide a full bug report.'
> [Note, I believe Anne already knew about that, but other folks could
> benefit.]
>
Except that I only got it half-right - so that prompt would have been *very* 
useful.  However, it seems that there is 'No package kded4-debuginfo 
available', so what now?

Anne
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