Good bye

Les Mikesell lesmikesell at
Fri Feb 1 03:03:52 UTC 2008

Kelly Miller wrote:
>>> Fedora (I believe) are promoting what in the long term is the right 
>>> way to go (IMHO). Time will tell if it is truly the correct 
>>> approach(/treatment).
>> It's been more than a decade now (if you count fedora as an extension 
>> of the earlier RH model) and it just continues to help the monopoly 
>> make more money.  Doesn't someone define insanity as expecting 
>> different results from continuing to do the same thing?
> Ahem, last time I checked, the goal of GNU/Linux was not to break the 
> monopoly, but to create the best free software-based system that can be 
> made.  So uh, how does including non-free components help with that 
> goal?

Most of the contributions to open source software have come from people 
who use it in one way or another, or from commercial companies who have 
decided for their own reasons to add open licenses to the code they own. 
  Anything that increases the user base will almost certainly increase 
the contributor base.  And making it easy to obtain all needed software 
would help increase the user base.

> I have to agree with RMS' statements on that respect; it isn't 
> worth having GNU/Linux replace Windows if it turns into a closed system 
> equivalent to Windows itself.  What kind of "victory" is that?

First of all, if any virus-spewing Microsoft box can be converted to run 
stable, well-tested, standards-conforming software instead, it is a 
victory for everyone on the internet.  But open source can never 'turn 
into' a closed system.  The only scenario that might even come close to 
that would be if some system were so much better that everyone would 
choose it instead - which would also be a victory for everyone having 
that choice.

> And uh, for all your posts about the stability of the system, I have to 
> wonder why you're not running Debian stable.  AFAIK, that is the only 
> distro line that is guaranteed to work without any bugs of any kind, 
> mainly because it's years behind the others...

There are 2 kinds of stability - one is unchanging and can be good for 
interfaces.  The other is reliability.   Fedora has neither.

> Asking why 3rd party stuff doesn't work when they're considered outside 
> the system is a little odd, wouldn't you say?

No, I wouldn't say that.  As with any other operating systems, I expect 
to be able to run other programs on it.

> It isn't Fedora's fault 
> that VMWare's sytem doesn't work with it; ask VMWare why, since the 
> stuff is set up by them.

When the same program works on one version of an operating system but 
not on another, there's nothing to ask.  The operating system has 
clearly failed to provide a usable interface.

   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell at

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