Impressions so far with FC 8 and Kubuntu Gutsy

Da Rock rock_on_the_web at
Fri Feb 8 03:18:01 UTC 2008

> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:40:25 -0500
> From: tom.horsley at
> To: fedora-list at
> Subject: Re: Impressions so far with FC 8 and Kubuntu Gutsy
> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:43:18 -0500
> Terry - Fedora Core  wrote:
>> That saves me hours and days and a lot of frustration when I get a message that such and such file is missing. What file? Where is it? What package is it in?
> Yea, we've been fooling with ubuntu and debian at work, and more often
> than not, when I find something missing from the minimal network
> install, I go over to a fedora system, find out what rpm it came from
> there, then search for packages with similar names using the synaptic
> tool on ubuntu (which is a whole other problem with ubuntu - there
> is an easy to find Add/Remove programs menu entry which seems to run
> some absolutely worthless app that can't find anything you might
> want to install - meanwhile buried over in the administration menu
> is a cryptic entry for "Synaptic" which is actually the useful tool,
> but there is no real way to tell that :-).
>> Other than the way that SELinux seems to have messed up things until I set it to "permissive mode"
> My cardinal rule is disable selinux completely during the install when
> it asks then, just to be sure, edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and add
> a selinux=0 kernel parameter :-).
>> I spent a lot of money to get a really good h/w video, the NVidia GeForce 8600 with lots of MB of onboard cache. Under Kubuntu I  used apt to download and install the NVidia proprietary 3D drivers. I was informed of this right from the get-go after installation and even assisted with a taskbar icon for the proprietary driver and informed of it's proprietary nature.
> Yea, livna and atrpms and similar repos make it easy to install drivers
> on fedora, but discovering that such repos exist is purely a matter of
> accident, nothing a novice user sees is likely to lead to them. If you
> happen to read the mailing lists and happen to see references to "livna"
> and happen to get curious about what a "livna" is and happen to search
> for it on google, then you discover this useful resource, otherwise you
> just fume about what a pain video drivers are :-).
> -- 

Yes I find this is an interesting point too. I had no idea about other repos and I've been playing for a while with this game. I only kinda knew about freshrpms so I was able to go hunting there plus help with google search helped too. I only found out about linva recently, and the headaches in the differences are an issue as well. I understand the Fedora philosophy and I agree with it, but some things are better kept simpler.

I'm not an Ubuntu supporter as such (except their support has been most useful for nearly all open source problems), but the way in which they have handled the licensing issue I found most useful. They only open up the free software, but you can switch on other repos which do contain "grey" software simply in the repo manager.

I put this question out there for free comment, but couldn't something similar be arranged in Fedora? (thereby making it the most stable yet flexible system on the planet! ;p)

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