2008/1/22 max bianco <maximilianbianco gmail com>:
> On Jan 22, 2008 11:30 AM, Les <hlhowell pacbell net > wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 20:41 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> > > Les wrote:
> > > > Also if Karl doesn't get it, there will be other much more timid folk
> > > > who also don't get it. When the answer that Karl understands is added
> > > > to the archives, more people benefit than Karl. I know this from
> > > > of teaching people complex topics in Test Engineering. I could tell
> > > > some good stories about some classes, but those people were also
> > > > about learning. Better to have helped them than to upset them or
> > > > them. In turn they helped their friends and their company. They
> > > > better thought of, the company's profit increases, and everyone is a
> > > > winner. Not hard, just hard to keep your composure sometimes.
> > > >
> > > So, what do you do when you have a student that will not read the
> > > book, will not do the homework assignments, and argues that he know
> > > better then the teacher? That when you try to correct his mistakes,
> > > he calls you names?
> > >
> > > I have seen many people helped on the list that didn't understand.
> > > The difference is that when they do not understand something, they
> > > tell you what they don't understand, and get it explained to them in
> > > simpler terms, and/or get pointers to where they can find the
> > > information to help them understand.
> > >
> > > There are times when step by step instructions are the way to handle
> > > things, but more often, it is better to help them find the
> > > information they need, or accompany the instructions with
> > > explanations of what the instructions do. Help them learn - don't do
> > > the work for them!
> > >
> > > I have to question weather Fedora is the right distribution for
> > > someone that needs step by step instructions, instead of being able
> > > to read the instructions on a web page when it is pointed out to
> > > them. I know it is not the distribution I would recommend to someone
> > > for their first Linux distribution. It is not for someone that can
> > > not do their own research, or understand the technical language. You
> > > should also have at least some problem solving skill. If you need
> > > someone to take you by the hand, and walk you through things, you
> > > are in the wrong place. Using Fedora requires effort on the part of
> > > the user to understand things.
> > >
> > > Mikkel
> > These are your feelings. I cannot tell you not to feel that way. I
> > cannot change Karl, either, but to harangue Karl because of your
> > feelings is illogical and counter productive. If you choose to answer
> > him, do so as completely as you can and then stop. Others can and will
> > pick up the ball after that. I just don't see it as a problem that
> > tirade after tirade helps you, him and especially the list. Just my
> > opinion.
> I second the idea that he just be ignored if he is a problem. Anybody
> heard the one about the Pope and Bill Clinton?
They ran out of new brothels to visit?