that old GNU/Linux argument

Gordon Messmer yinyang at
Thu Jul 24 18:03:09 UTC 2008

Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Please forgive me for jumping into the thread, I've been reading it only for 
> the last couple of days, although I can see that the discussion is going on 
> for some time now.

Yes.  Yes it has. :)

> Reading the (last few days of the) thread, I saw many aspects and different 
> opinions on the subject of the name Linux vs GNU/Linux being raised. But all 
> that aside, as a half-ignorant naive and young user of Linux (I've been in 
> Linuxland starting with RH6.2 and onwards), I came to have an opinion on the 
> subject that is completely independent of history of development of both GNU 
> and Linux.

I'm not trying to be rude, but did you just say that you have an 
entirely uninformed opinion that you'd like to contribute?

When did being informed and educated go out of style?

> Long version. Let me describe a simplified analogy.

Because the only thing better than an uninformed opinion is one argued 
by analogy!

> But tell me, what is in principle
> The Single Most Important element of the car? There is only one answer --- the 
> engine. That is why the Fedora factory included the name Linux in the full 
> name of the model.

Here's what I want you to do:  Go out to your nearest Harley Davidson 
dealer and take a good look at the new Rocker C.  It's beautiful.  Then 
turn around and look at the Buell bikes across the isle.  The engine is 
largely the same, but people don't refer to Buell bikes as Harleys.

> Automotive industry is not the sole example for the analogy. This is general 
> in lots of aspects of human society --- the analogy can be pushed all the way 
> to religions: Christianity is a religion named after its founder, Jesus 
> Christ.

And who began the Free Software movement?

GNU started *years* before Linus began work on his kernel.  When Linux 
was announced, GNU as a "big and professional" project.

BTW: I am not comparing *anyone* to Jesus.  That's uncalled for.

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