fedora-list Digest, Vol 52, Issue 212

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Re: F8 All multi media is TRIPLE SPEED! (Nifty Hat Mitch) 11. Re: Thunderbird (again!?!?) (Craig White) 12. after yum update no volume control? (Phill) 13. Re: Blue screen and yum / not yum (g) 14. FC9 x86_64 powers off unexpectedly (Dan Farmer) 15. Re: FC9 x86_64 powers off unexpectedly (stan) 16. Re: FC9 x86_64 powers off unexpectedly (Roger Heflin)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:50:17 +0300From: "Bassel Safadi" Subject: Re: Blue screen and yum / not yumTo: "For users of Fedora" Message-ID:	<317223670806231450kd5955b5nf88f113cd6e7f7f4 at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Bassel Safadi wrote:>>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan <> pocallaghan at gmail.com> wrote:>>> Sorry to be pedantic Bassel, but "why you don't have to" is not the same>> as "why you should not". The first means "it's not obligatory to [i.e.>> to top-post], but you can if you like", which is more or less the>> reverse of what you actually mean, that being "why you should not>> [top-post]".>>>> poc>>>> -->> fedora-list mailing list>> fedora-list at redhat.com>> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list>>>> Sorry for my bad English, you're right Patrick, I said it the wrong way,> I'm new to English that's why I do such mistakes,> Thanks a lot for the note :-)>this was about (Blue screen and yum / not yum) right? :-)-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20080624/d9244983/attachment.html------------------------------Message: 2Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:51:42 -0700From: Dave Stevens Subject: use wireless router as wireless NIC?To: "fedora list" Message-ID: <200806231451.43009.geek at uniserve.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"I have an office that moved recently. Before it was using a Linksys wrt54g wireless router, dsl from the telco (telus). Now it is adjacent to another office set up the same way. Rather than continue to pay double we'd like to share the cost and the connection. Can anyone suggest whether or how I can program my router to pick up the wifi signal from the next office and get it into my box? F7 if it matters.Dave-- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to simplistic questions.-- Ursula K. LeGuin------------------------------Message: 3Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:59:54 -0400From: max Subject: Re: Network connection issueTo: For users of Fedora Message-ID: <48601CDA.8070604 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedJim Douglas wrote:> I boot up, get assigned an IP address by service provider, when I do an ipconfig I see the address.> > But I can't browse the internet. Suggestions?> > (The computer has worked for the lat 2 years, on re-boot it no longer works.)> > > Jim> Are you sure its a valid IP?DSL or cable internet?got a router?have you pinged loopback, localhost, gateway? tried pinging a remote IP? if you can ping by IP but not name then DNS is screwy.-- Fortune favors the *BOLD*------------------------------Message: 4Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:16:29 -0400From: max Subject: Re: Blue screen and yum / not yumTo: For users of Fedora Message-ID: <486020BD.80107 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedtony.chamberlain at lemko.com wrote:> I will try to answer all the questions with one message.> > First I will be glad not to "top post" as soon as someone tells me what it means ;-)> > Second, I believe they are using Gnome. That is usually what they use here.> I was gone last week when they sent the machine but I believe it is gnome.> > The customer says the monitor is fine. I had him bring up grub and put 3 and he says> he did it. I wasn't there to see it.> > I think they are going to bring the machine here and I can analyze it.> > > Always easier if you can see and do for yourself. I asked about the video driver too....: )------------------------------Message: 5Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:09:28 -0430From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" Subject: Re: Blue screen and yum / not yumTo: fedora-list at redhat.comMessage-ID: <1214260768.19105.34.camel at bree.homelinux.com>Content-Type: text/plainOn Tue, 2008-06-24 at 00:49 +0300, Bassel Safadi wrote:> > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan>  wrote:> Sorry to be pedantic Bassel, but "why you don't have to" is> not the same> as "why you should not". The first means "it's not obligatory> to [i.e.> to top-post], but you can if you like", which is more or less> the> reverse of what you actually mean, that being "why you should> not> [top-post]".> > poc> > --> > fedora-list mailing list> fedora-list at redhat.com> To unsubscribe:> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list> > > Sorry for my bad English, you're right Patrick, I said it the wrong> way, I'm new to English that's why I do such mistakes,One makes mistakes, one doesn't do them :-) I know it's reallyconfusing, as most languages, especially those derived from Latin, theeveryday words for make and do are the same, but in English they aren't(he said redundantly). BTW you don't come across as someone new toEnglish, judging from your posts here.> Thanks a lot for the note :-)When I was learning Spanish I was grateful for people correcting me. NowI sometimes correct them :-) (and that's a language with two verbs for"to be", which mean different things and are not interchangeable.)poc------------------------------Message: 6Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:09:44 -0430From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" Subject: Re: Blue screen and yum / not yumTo: fedora-list at redhat.comMessage-ID: <1214260784.19105.36.camel at bree.homelinux.com>Content-Type: text/plainOn Tue, 2008-06-24 at 00:50 +0300, Bassel Safadi wrote:> > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Bassel Safadi>  wrote:> > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan>  wrote:> Sorry to be pedantic Bassel, but "why you don't have> to" is not the same> as "why you should not". The first means "it's not> obligatory to [i.e.> to top-post], but you can if you like", which is more> or less the> reverse of what you actually mean, that being "why you> should not> [top-post]".> > poc> > --> > fedora-list mailing list> fedora-list at redhat.com> To unsubscribe:> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list> > > > Sorry for my bad English, you're right Patrick, I said it the> wrong way, I'm new to English that's why I do such mistakes,> Thanks a lot for the note :-)> > this was about (Blue screen and yum / not yum) right? :-)Yes.poc------------------------------Message: 7Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:47:47 +0100From: Timothy Murphy Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !To: fedora-list at redhat.comMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiArthur Pemberton wrote:>> One thing that slightly surprises me is that having a server>> that runs 5 times as fast, with 4 times as much memory,>> as my greatly-loved ancient Asus server>> does not in fact seem to speed anything up noticeably.> > I am guessing your network is your current bottleneckIsn't it everybody's?I'm only using this machine as a server - httpd, mysql,openldap, etc.I guess the slowest machine in the world is going to be fasterthan my reasonably fast (4Mb/s) ADSL connection.------------------------------Message: 8Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:56:04 -0500From: "Arthur Pemberton" Subject: Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !To: "For users of Fedora" Message-ID:	<16de708d0806231556y2e0e82eaw415d9eded71686a8 at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:> Arthur Pemberton wrote:>>>> One thing that slightly surprises me is that having a server>>> that runs 5 times as fast, with 4 times as much memory,>>> as my greatly-loved ancient Asus server>>> does not in fact seem to speed anything up noticeably.>>>> I am guessing your network is your current bottleneck>> Isn't it everybody's?>> I'm only using this machine as a server - httpd, mysql,> openldap, etc.> I guess the slowest machine in the world is going to be faster> than my reasonably fast (4Mb/s) ADSL connection.Exactly. If you're not going to be hitting Mysql with heavy queries, a1GHz Celeron sans xorg would probably server you just as well.-- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine( www.pembo13.com )------------------------------Message: 9Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:07:40 -0800From: Fred Erickson Subject: Re: use wireless router as wireless NIC?To: fedora-list at redhat.comMessage-ID: <1214262460.2663.15.camel at athbox.localdomain>Content-Type: text/plainOn Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:51 -0700, Dave Stevens wrote:> I have an office that moved recently. Before it was using a Linksys wrt54g > wireless router, dsl from the telco (telus). Now it is adjacent to another > office set up the same way. Rather than continue to pay double we'd like to > share the cost and the connection. Can anyone suggest whether or how I can > program my router to pick up the wifi signal from the next office and get it > into my box? F7 if it matters.> > DaveThe Linksys WAP11 could be set up to re-transmit a received wifi signal.Don't know if the WRT54g has that capability or not. Have you googledwireless bridges?------------------------------Message: 10Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:37:27 -0700From: "Nifty Hat Mitch" Subject: Re: F8 All multi media is TRIPLE SPEED!To: "For users of Fedora" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:46:29 -0700, Nat Gross  wrote:> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Michael Schwendt  wrote:>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:45:30 -0400, Nat Gross wrote:>>>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Michael Schwendt  wrote:>>> > On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:20:54 -0400, Nat Gross wrote:>>> >>>> >> Ok. I don't have pulseaudio loaded. I tried loading it and nothing changed.>>> >> With Aplay, I'm having a problem finding test media for it. Any wav>>> >> file I threw at it,>>> >> it refused to play because:>>> >> aplay: test_wavefile:749: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files>>> >>>> > Then they used Microsoft ADPCM encoding. You could still play>>> > or convert them with "sox" (and "play") instead.>>>>>> Hey. Thanks for introducing me to sox. I wish I had known such a thing existed>>> and I will need it in the future. But, it is too complex for me right now just>>> to play something with it.>>>> play filename>> yep. Still about triple speed.> Remember the vinyl records? Sounds like a 33 being played at 78. (If I> remember the numbers)Curious, is cpuspeed active?Since cpuspeed (see also powernow) can tinker with the processor's clock speed it is 'possible' but unlikelythat the audio code woke up with the CPU running at a low power slow speed and made timing decisions that mismatch theCPU running at full speed.-- Nifty Hat MitchT o m M i t c h e l l------------------------------Message: 11Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:38:48 -0700From: Craig White Subject: Re: Thunderbird (again!?!?)To: dant at cdkkt.com, For users of Fedora Message-ID: <1214264328.23218.15.camel at lin-workstation.azapple.com>Content-Type: text/plainOn Mon, 2008-06-23 at 13:43 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:> Sorry for asking questions about Thunderbird again...> > It seems that when there are new messages to be received,> Thunderbird does not automatically obtain the new messages> to be downloaded from IMAP into my offsite/local and let> me know that I have new messages when there are subfolders> besides Inbox. Seems that I have to check each and every subfolder> to find out if there are any new messages in them.> > I have a case on the IMAP server where there are rules that detect> and move new messages out of Inbox and into assigned subfolders.> > So what can I do to get Thunderbird to check all my subfolders> and download the new messages for me?> > BTW:> 1) I do notice that each subfolder has a menu item called> "Favorite Folder" but what is this really? Enabling it does> not seem to do anything in particular as far as I can tell.> > 2) Clicking on 'Get Mail', or 'Get all new Messages' but again> it does not seem to do anything other than with Inbox.> > Yes, I do have 'Check New Messages' option enabled for every 1> minute and yes, it works for Inbox - just that it does not know anything> about subfolders having new messages in them. Is there some sort of> option somewhere to check all subfolders for new messages?----right click on any folder and select properties.check the box labeled 'check this folder for new messages'Craig------------------------------Message: 12Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:40:44 -0700 (PDT)From: Phill Subject: after yum update no volume control?To: fedora-list at redhat.comMessage-ID: <905248.28855.qm at web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiUsing Fedora 8 KDE. After most recent yum update, my kmix went away. Has it been replaced by another program or what? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------Message: 13Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:45:42 +0000From: g Subject: Re: Blue screen and yum / not yumTo: For users of Fedora Message-ID: <486035A6.3090604 at bellsouth.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedPatrick O'Callaghan wrote:>> http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost> > Sorry to be pedantic Bassel, but "why you don't have to" is not the same> [top-post]".poc,have a look at link. it also mentions inline replying and cutting waste. ;o)-- tc,hago.g.in a free world without fences, who needs gates.------------------------------Message: 14Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:06:54 -0700From: "Dan Farmer" Subject: FC9 x86_64 powers off unexpectedlyTo: fedora-list at redhat.comMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1Hi All,My system has been spontaneously powering off once or twice a day forthe last week or so. The obvious candidate would be thermal issues, soI took some steps to improve cooling and I believe that is fairly wellresolved. At the last power off that I was present for I checked theCPU temp in the BIOS when it booted up and the temp was 45 degrees C.I also tweaked some settings related to cpu voltage and powersavingsettings that seemed to help a bit (?). But still my longest run ofuptime has been about 18 hours.I recently built this sytem, the specs are as follows:System specs:Fedora Core 9 x64_64500W power supplyCore2 Duo E8400 proc @ 3Ghz4 GB RAMGIGABYTE GA-EP35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 motherboardnvidia geforce 8800 GTI've built plenty of systems before that never have had problems, butI wouldn't completely rule out "build quality" I suppose -- I justthink it's unlikely. Can anyone give me some direction on what else Ican investigate? Any log files, BIOS settings (I know that's a littleout of the scope...), etc?Thank you! Other than the intermittent loss of power I've really beendigging FC9 :)-Dan------------------------------Message: 15Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:22:59 -0700From: stan Subject: Re: FC9 x86_64 powers off unexpectedlyTo: For users of Fedora Message-ID: <48603E63.6070303 at cox.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedDan Farmer wrote:> Hi All,>> My system has been spontaneously powering off once or twice a day for> the last week or so. The obvious candidate would be thermal issues, so> I took some steps to improve cooling and I believe that is fairly well> resolved. At the last power off that I was present for I checked the> CPU temp in the BIOS when it booted up and the temp was 45 degrees C.> I also tweaked some settings related to cpu voltage and powersaving> settings that seemed to help a bit (?). But still my longest run of> uptime has been about 18 hours.>> I recently built this sytem, the specs are as follows:>> System specs:> Fedora Core 9 x64_64> 500W power supply> Core2 Duo E8400 proc @ 3Ghz> 4 GB RAM> GIGABYTE GA-EP35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 motherboard> nvidia geforce 8800 GT>> I've built plenty of systems before that never have had problems, but> I wouldn't completely rule out "build quality" I suppose -- I just> think it's unlikely. Can anyone give me some direction on what else I> can investigate? Any log files, BIOS settings (I know that's a little> out of the scope...), etc?>> Thank you! Other than the intermittent loss of power I've really been> digging FC9 :)>> -Dan>> This sounds like a power supply problem to me. A bad component that overheats after running for a period of time.------------------------------Message: 16Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:23:31 -0500From: Roger Heflin Subject: Re: FC9 x86_64 powers off unexpectedlyTo: For users of Fedora Message-ID: <48603E83.10406 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedDan Farmer wrote:> Hi All,> > My system has been spontaneously powering off once or twice a day for> the last week or so. The obvious candidate would be thermal issues, so> I took some steps to improve cooling and I believe that is fairly well> resolved. At the last power off that I was present for I checked the> CPU temp in the BIOS when it booted up and the temp was 45 degrees C.> I also tweaked some settings related to cpu voltage and powersaving> settings that seemed to help a bit (?). But still my longest run of> uptime has been about 18 hours.> > I recently built this sytem, the specs are as follows:> > System specs:> Fedora Core 9 x64_64> 500W power supply> Core2 Duo E8400 proc @ 3Ghz> 4 GB RAM> GIGABYTE GA-EP35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 motherboard> nvidia geforce 8800 GT> > I've built plenty of systems before that never have had problems, but> I wouldn't completely rule out "build quality" I suppose -- I just> think it's unlikely. Can anyone give me some direction on what else I> can investigate? Any log files, BIOS settings (I know that's a little> out of the scope...), etc?> > Thank you! Other than the intermittent loss of power I've really been> digging FC9 :)> > -Dan> I don't know about that Intel's, but on some AMD MB the higher end cpus would cause machines to power off, the issue was that the MB in question was not testing at all with the higher cpu speeds, and the higher cpus pulled too much power and resulted in MB power components overheating, the initial solution was to put a bigger heatsink on the power components, the later solution was to use a larger power component, you may be able to test this sort of theory by having a fan directly blow on the MB to keep everything nice and cool, you might also use a temp meter and measure the temps on various components and see if anything outside of the cpu is getting too warm, or you could using the powersavings setting in Linux to not allow the cpu to run at the highest speed, if not running at the highest speed helps, then it could be overheating, or causing some other component to overheat. Also without something cpu intensive running the cpu temp may not mean anything, if you do get something cpu intensive to run, that may cause it to fall over fairly quickly. Roger--------------------------------fedora-list mailing listfedora-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-listEnd of fedora-list Digest, Vol 52, Issue 212********************************************

OK you were the ones who didn't want me to top post and wanted me to keep the reply subject even though it is pretty non-descript.

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