How is KDE4 supposed to be used ?

[Craig White]

On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 22:30 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 07:02:46PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 18:10 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 16:05 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > > > I personally feel that the 'folder view' widget is a waste of energy
> > > > and
> > > > of no real value and just resort to using Dolphin and in fact, moved
> > > > all
> > > > of the files and folders off my desktop and just keep a couple of
> > > > 'launchers' there. It is a prettier desktop and once I adjusted my
> > > > expectations, there actually is little difference.
> > > 
> > > That is exactly what happened to me.   Only I had ~50 files and folders
> > > on my desktop (across 2 20" 1680x1050 monitors).   Using Dolphin instead
> > > of just moving things on the desktop itself was a HUGE pain.
> > > 
> > > Furthermore, when one views files in a file manager like Dolphin, you
> > > can't "clump" the files together in groups like you can on the desktop.
> > > 
> > > With KDE4, one could make an icon for every file/folder you wanted on
> > > the Desktop, but that is an extra step too.
> > > 
> > > I'm hoping that the future KDE4 desktops support traditional drag and
> > > drop desktop file/folder management.  I think folder view is a useful
> > > ADDITION to a traditional desktop.   I don't think it supplants it.  
> > ----
> > it does appear that an 'upgrade' from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4 (i.e. Fedora 8 to
> > Fedora 9) would put an icon for each file on the desktop but it's rather
> > easy to click them closed and the icons are gone.
> > 
> > As for it being a pain to use a file manager like Dolphin rather than
> > just being able to drag and drop from the desktop...you better get used
> > to that because the Desktop is no longer an active player in file
> > management with KDE. I think that suggesting it was a pain to use a file
> > manager is somewhat absurd. What you are saying is that your
> > expectations are not realized and to that, I am sympathetic but not to
> > the suggestion that it is somehow painful.
> > 
> > Craig
> 
> I have always found ksh a better way than iconic file managers of
> manipulating files because of the scripting and globbing capabilities of
> ksh combined with the mv/rm commands.
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but that isn't the point of what we are discussing.

We are discussing a basic expectation of the GUI and file management
thus file operations in a non-gui environment really don't pertain to
the discussion at hand.

Craig