fedora-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 187

shyju pp ppshyju at gmail.com
Tue Feb 24 03:20:33 UTC 2009


I was trying to install Fedora ..But I couldn;t ...It is showing some driver
problem...like ""No Drives Found""
and I am using AMD Athlon 64 bit and Asus A8v.vm mother board with SIS
chipset...
May i Know  Why its happening..

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>   1. Re: Skype and video[Was:Webcam recommendations?] (John Horne)
>   2. Re: Domino on Fedora (Nifty Fedora Mitch)
>   3. Re: current state of ati graphics (Bill Davidsen)
>   4. Re: Web cam recommendations? (Erik P. Olsen)
>   5. Re: Web cam recommendations? (John Horne)
>   6. Network Manager Only Allows 1 connection only (JohnMinson)
>   7. Easiest Way To Move Thunderbird Mail Folders To Another
>      Computer? (Robert L Cochran)
>   8. Re: F-10 xmodmap/xkeycaps problem - (Kevin Kofler)
>   9. Re: Gnome scanner utility crashes, no Bugzilla component
>      (Kevin Kofler)
>  10. No .gnupg Directory On Fedora 10 (Robert L Cochran)
>  11. Re: Easiest Way To Move Thunderbird Mail Folders To Another
>      Computer? (Kevin J. Cummings)
>  12. Re: current state of ati graphics (Kevin Kofler)
>  13. Re: Web cam recommendations? (Erik P. Olsen)
>  14. Re: Linux users want better desktop performance (Screw data.
>      Prioritize code) (phil)
>  15. Re: Upgraded to F10,     (& Kjot disappeared) (Kevin Kofler)
>  16. Re: F-10 xmodmap/xkeycaps problem - (Bob Goodwin)
>  17. Re: kernel (Kevin Kofler)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:13:08 +0000
> From: John Horne <john.horne at plymouth.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: Skype and video[Was:Webcam recommendations?]
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,       and advice for using
>        Fedora." <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1235427188.3457.6.camel at jhorne.homelinux.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 22:54 +0100, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm using Skype 2.0.0.72 and I have a Logitech QuickCam for Notebooks,
> > as reported by lsusb:
> >
> > idVendor           0x046d Logitech, Inc.
> > idProduct          0x08dd QuickCam for Notebooks
> > bcdDevice            1.00
> >
> > With this version of Skype, I'm able to see other people doing video
> > conference (better quality with compiz disabled), but I can't get the
> > webcam working. In Options->Video, the webcam is detected, but when I
> > push the "Test" button, all I get is this:
> >
> > Starting the process...
> > Skype Xv: Xv ports available: 4
> > Skype XShm: XShm support enabled
> > Skype Xv: Using Xv port 131
> > <Here Skype closes and I get the command prompt again>
> >
> > Nothing catches my eye in the system log. I tried to install
> > libv4l.i386 but it didn't make any difference.
> >
> > Any success cases? Any hints on how to solve this?
> >
> For just testing the webcam video I used the 'ucview' command (it's in
> the ucview package). As mentioned in the old thread, I have a Logitech
> webcam, on a PC not a notebook though, and the ucview command detects
> the webcam fine, and displays what the webcam sees (basically me looking
> at my monitor!).
>
> I've been using skype from home to work using both audio and video. The
> only problem I had was getting audio to work, one setting in skype
> needed to be changed, then audio worked.
>
> Skype package is: skype-2.0.0.72-fc5.i586
>
>
>
> John.
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> John Horne, University of Plymouth, UK  Tel: +44 (0)1752 587287
> E-mail: John.Horne at plymouth.ac.uk       Fax: +44 (0)1752 587001
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:22:58 -0800
> From: Nifty Fedora Mitch <niftyfedora at niftyegg.com>
> Subject: Re: Domino on Fedora
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,       and advice for using
>        Fedora." <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20090223222258.GA4585 at compegg.wr.niftyegg.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 02:57:43PM +0000, James Wilkinson wrote:
> > Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
> > > Local delivery can be done with procmail.
> >
> > Yes, but if the command expects to use /usr/sbin/sendmail to send the
> > mail, and that command isn’t there…
> >
> > > Nothing has to listen on 25.
> >
> > It might help if Domino did…
> >
> > > Go with the documented solution and if needed pull sendmail back into
> the
> > > system...   In some ways this should be very much the same as switching
> > > from sendmail to postfix i.e.
> > >
> > >     Postfix is a Mail Transport Agent (MTA)
> > >
> > > A google or yahoo search of "domino MTA"
> > > does find links that support my assertion
> > > that Domino is a Mail Transoport Agent.
> >
> > You’re missing the point. Postfix provides ....
> ....
> > Hope this helps,
>
> Domino is moderatly expensive and it is well supported by
> the vendor.   Put them to work....!
>
>
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/lotus/library/ls-Internet_messaging_with_the_SMTP_MTA/index.html
>
> If yum/ rpm demand that you install postfix or sendmail pick one
> and just "chkconfig $it off".
>
> But seriously, Domino/Lotus has a rich support community
> and while we can speculate on what it is and is not
> the vendor has facts.  Put the vendor to work....
>
>
>
> --
>        T o m  M i t c h e l l
>        Found me a new hat, now what?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:30:50 -0500
> From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
> Subject: Re: current state of ati graphics
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <gnv82q$g7k$1 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Ian Malone wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm looking to upgrade my graphics card and for the past few
> > iterations have gone with Nvida, mostly because they provided a
> > working linux driver with 3D acceleration; most people I knew with ATI
> > chipsets had problems with their drivers at one time or another (and
> > for a long time only older cards were supported).  Since AMD have
> > apparently released the specs needed to write an open driver for them
> > I thought it might be worth supporting them this time around, but I'm
> > not sure what the current state of ATI support looks like. I'd guess
> > there has been long enough for an accelerated driver to make it into
> > the kernel, but I see that there is also a recent release of their
> > proprietary driver.  What are people's recent experiences with ATI?  I
> > wouldn't be looking for the highest end card, just something that can
> > happily run compiz and flash videos 1280x1024.  The nvidia I'm
> > considering are around the 8500 / 9400 mark.
> >
> > Thanks for your time.
> >
> With any non-FOSS driver you accept that if you have a problem there are a
> fair
> percentage of developers who will not look at dump from a tainted kernel.
> The
> most recent FC10 drivers seem to work reliably (that was NOT true with the
> initial install), but are not accelerated. I believe my last look showed
> radeondrmfb, and I considered flgrx but decided reliable was enough, I
> don't run
> games or video benchmarks on my laptop, just boring work stuff, which is
> fast
> enough. It will run flash 1280x800 without a problem.
>
>
> --
> Bill Davidsen <davidsen at tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:41:10 +0100
> From: "Erik P. Olsen" <epodata at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Web cam recommendations?
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,       and advice for using
>        Fedora." <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <49A32606.3010605 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 23/02/09 23:08, John Horne wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 22:53 +0100, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> >> On 23/02/09 22:41, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Erik P. Olsen <epodata at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> On 23/02/09 14:34, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>>> You could try another choice like Ekiga, although I'm afraid to say
> it
> >>>>> doesn't reach the quality in video than Skype does (I can receive
> >>>>> video with Skype)
> >>>>>
> >>>> What version of Skype do you have? The one I've got (version 2.0.0.72)
> does not
> >>>> seem to have any video support at all.
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I'm gonna open a new thread instead of hijacking the subject of this
> one :)
> >>>
> >> I don't think I hijacked the subject. It is about webcam recommendation
> for
> >> Skype and I don't believe that Skype for linux has video support, so
> AFAICT no
> >> webcam can be recommended at all. Or am I totally wrong?
> >>>> [snip]
> > Totally wrong I would say. I've got a Logitech Quickcam pro 9000 on my
> > F10 box. It has both video and audio - works fine with skype.
>
> Thanks, but I can't find any newer version than 2.0.0.72 and I can't see
> how you
> enable video on this version.
>
> --
> Erik.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:24:43 +0000
> From: John Horne <john.horne at plymouth.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: Web cam recommendations?
> To: Fedora Mailing List <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1235431483.3457.9.camel at jhorne.homelinux.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 23:41 +0100, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, but I can't find any newer version than 2.0.0.72 and I can't see
> how you
> > enable video on this version.
> >
> The package I am running is skype-2.0.0.72-fc5.i586 (albeit on an F10
> x86_64 box).
>
> I don't think I had to enable it as such, skype automatically found the
> webcam as a usb device. However, right-clicking on the skype icon and
> selecting 'options' shows a 'Video Devices' section. Within there there
> are tick-boxes to enable video, and select the video device.
>
>
>
> John.
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> John Horne, University of Plymouth, UK  Tel: +44 (0)1752 587287
> E-mail: John.Horne at plymouth.ac.uk       Fax: +44 (0)1752 587001
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:46:29 -0500
> From: JohnMinson <john.minson at us.army.mil>
> Subject: Network Manager Only Allows 1 connection only
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,       and advice for using
>        Fedora." <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <49A33555.2090409 at us.army.mil>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> all I want to do is add a second(static) ip (device alias 1) to my
> interface in addition to the dhcp address all ready being procured .
> I can find no combinations of 'Network Manager' settings that allows
> this to happen .
> If I plumb the interface manually after "Network Manager' is finished
> initializing it works fine .
> If I turn off NM I get this in the log
>   "localhost nm-system-settings:    ifcfg-rh: Ignoring connection
> 'System eth0 ' and its device because NM_CONTROLLED was false."
>   "localhost nm-system-settings:    ifcfg-rh: Ignoring connection
> 'System eth0:1' and its device because NM_CONTROLLED was false."
>
> this should not be this difficult
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:58:23 -0500
> From: Robert L Cochran <cochranb at speakeasy.net>
> Subject: Easiest Way To Move Thunderbird Mail Folders To Another
>        Computer?
> To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <49A3381F.5020708 at speakeasy.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I have a .thunderbird email client folder on a Fedora 7 x86_64 system
> that I need to move to a Fedora 10 x86 system. It occurs to me that if I
> move this, and then start thunderbird on the new system, I might have
> trouble because of 64-bit code. Also trouble with updating Enigmail. I
> want to be sure I can sign and encrypt email messages. Am I better off
> just moving
>
> .thunderbird/[salt].default/Mail/*
> .thunderbird/[salt].default/abook.mab
>
> What file(s) store the email account information?
>
> Or, to make a long story short, can I just tar up all of .thunderbird
> and not worry about conflicts on the 32-bit system?
>
> Bob Cochran
> Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:58:49 +0100
> From: Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler at chello.at>
> Subject: Re: F-10 xmodmap/xkeycaps problem -
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <gnvd7p$t5u$4 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Bob Goodwin wrote:
> > One indication that it does not work is that when I run /usr/bin/xmodmap
> > -e 'keycode 116=degree' in F-9 the key to the right of the right ALT key
> > produces a degree ° symbol.
> >
> > The same command in F-10 makes it useless, that same key does nothing
> > and the cursor down arrow key  generates the degree symbol instead as
> > well as no longer moving the cursor making it impossible to navigate
> > though a file listing.
>
> You're hardcoding a keycode number, but evdev uses different keycodes.
>
>        Kevin Kofler
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:02:45 +0100
> From: Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler at chello.at>
> Subject: Re: Gnome scanner utility crashes, no Bugzilla component
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <gnvdf5$t5u$5 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > Confirmed.
> > That looks like a bug in the dynamic updating of the form fields.
> > Changing "Classification" updates "Product" listbox, but "Version"
> > and "Target" listboxes don't change.
>
> It's not a bug, you have to click on "Refresh
> Components/Versions/Milestones". They made it an explicit pushbutton
> because having this done automatically was too slow, people did not
> understand why their browser froze.
>
>        Kevin Kofler
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:05:39 -0500
> From: Robert L Cochran <cochranb at speakeasy.net>
> Subject: No .gnupg Directory On Fedora 10
> To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <49A339D3.7090308 at speakeasy.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I just noticed that I do not yet have a .gnupg directory on my Fedora 10
> system. I haven't tried to create a gpg keyring on it yet. I want to
> migrate sensibly from a Fedora 7 system to a separate Fedora 10 system.
> Can I go ahead and copy the .gnupg directory from the old system to the
> new one? Or should I attempt to create a fresh .gnupg directory on the
> Fedora 10 system and selectively copy elements of the .gnupg directory
> from the old system?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Cochran
> Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:07:38 -0500
> From: "Kevin J. Cummings" <cummings at kjchome.homeip.net>
> Subject: Re: Easiest Way To Move Thunderbird Mail Folders To Another
>        Computer?
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,       and advice for using
>        Fedora." <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <49A33A4A.8050301 at kjchome.homeip.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Robert L Cochran wrote:
> > I have a .thunderbird email client folder on a Fedora 7 x86_64 system
> > that I need to move to a Fedora 10 x86 system. It occurs to me that if I
> > move this, and then start thunderbird on the new system, I might have
> > trouble because of 64-bit code. Also trouble with updating Enigmail. I
>
> There should be noting specific to 32-bit or 64-bit in your .thunderbird
> directory.  I know, I upgraded an FC6.i386 system to F9.x86_64 and my
> Thunderbird just plain continued to work.
>
> > want to be sure I can sign and encrypt email messages. Am I better off
> > just moving
> >
> > .thunderbird/[salt].default/Mail/*
> > .thunderbird/[salt].default/abook.mab
>
> You could just move the entire .thunderbird/[salt].default directory
> lock stock and barrel (AFAIK).  Make sure you edit the
> .thunderbird/profiles.ini file to properly reflect your default profile.
>
> > What file(s) store the email account information?
>
> They are all buried down in the profile directory structure.
>
> > Or, to make a long story short, can I just tar up all of .thunderbird
> > and not worry about conflicts on the 32-bit system?
>
> That's my thought.  Good luck!
>
> > Bob Cochran
> > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
>
> --
> Kevin J. Cummings
> kjchome at rcn.com
> cummings at kjchome.homeip.net
> cummings at kjc386.framingham.ma.us
> Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:10:11 +0100
> From: Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler at chello.at>
> Subject: Re: current state of ati graphics
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <gnvdt3$2j3$1 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Ian Malone wrote:
> > Since AMD have apparently released the specs needed to write an open
> > driver for them I thought it might be worth supporting them this time
> > around, but I'm not sure what the current state of ATI support looks
> like.
>
> For the Free Software drivers (i.e. NOT the proprietary fglrx):
> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon
>
> In short, r1xx up to r5xx series are now supported with 2D (XRender) and 3D
> (OpenGL) acceleration. In marketing names, that's up to X1950 (rule of
> thumb: if it doesn't have "HD" in it, it should be supported - the HD*
> models (r6xx/r7xx) and the X2300 HD which appears to be some sort of hybrid
> between the r5xx architecture and some r6xx or r7xx one are not supported).
>
>        Kevin Kofler
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:10:59 +0100
> From: "Erik P. Olsen" <epodata at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Web cam recommendations?
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,       and advice for using
>        Fedora." <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <49A33B13.4020207 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 24/02/09 00:24, John Horne wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 23:41 +0100, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> >> Thanks, but I can't find any newer version than 2.0.0.72 and I can't see
> how you
> >> enable video on this version.
> >>
> > The package I am running is skype-2.0.0.72-fc5.i586 (albeit on an F10
> > x86_64 box).
> >
> > I don't think I had to enable it as such, skype automatically found the
> > webcam as a usb device. However, right-clicking on the skype icon and
> > selecting 'options' shows a 'Video Devices' section. Within there there
> > are tick-boxes to enable video, and select the video device.
>
> Gosh, you are right. I don't know how I missed seeing that. Found my old
> webcam
> and sure enough it worked right away. Thanks a lot for opening my eyes.
>
> --
> Erik.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:14:17 +0000
> From: phil <happyharrysco1 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Linux users want better desktop performance (Screw data.
>        Prioritize code)
> To: Robin.Laing at drdc-rddc.gc.ca, "Community assistance, encouragement,
>        and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <49A33BD9.6040307 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Robin Laing wrote:
> > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> >>
> http://rudd-o.com/en/linux-and-free-software/tales-from-responsivenessland-why-linux-feels-slow-and-how-to-fix-that
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What is you comment?
> >>
> >
> > I will have to try this at home.  My home system is crawling and it
> > could be related to some of these settings.  I would like to see other
> > fine tuning settings.
> >
> > I cannot afford a new machine at this time.
> >
>
> acer use these settings as default on the aspire one in linpus (which is
> based on fedora 8), though i think this was aimed more for the ssd
> versions to increase the ssd lifetime more than speed up the user
> experience
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:12:33 +0100
> From: Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler at chello.at>
> Subject: Re: Upgraded to F10,     (& Kjot disappeared)
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <gnve1h$2j3$2 at ger.gmane.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> DB wrote:
> > According to the blurb, using preupgrade would mean that my system
> > remained usable during the upgrade
>
> You must have been mislead somehow. With preupgrade, the system remains
> usable during the download phase, but not during the actual upgrade.
>
> > So I now seem to have a working F10 system, so far, I've not discovered
> > anything major to moan about.  However, I had just started using Kjot
> > under F9, which seemed to be a useful gubbins..... and now in F10 it
> > seems to have vanished.  Anyone know where kjot might be hidden (or how
> > I can get the old version back into service)??
>
> As Rex Dieter already replied, it's now in kdepim.
>
>        Kevin Kofler
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:15:25 -0500
> From: Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: F-10 xmodmap/xkeycaps problem -
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,       and advice for using
>        Fedora." <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <49A33C1D.6030201 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Bob Goodwin wrote:
> >
> >> One indication that it does not work is that when I run /usr/bin/xmodmap
> >> -e 'keycode 116=degree' in F-9 the key to the right of the right ALT key
> >> produces a degree ° symbol.
> >>
> >> The same command in F-10 makes it useless, that same key does nothing
> >> and the cursor down arrow key  generates the degree symbol instead as
> >> well as no longer moving the cursor making it impossible to navigate
> >> though a file listing.
> >>
> >
> > You're hardcoding a keycode number, but evdev uses different keycodes.
> >
> >         Kevin Kofler
> >
> >
> I can believe that!  Where can I find the correct codes?
>
> If I can use those "Windows" keys and disable Caps Lock I will be
> satisfied.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:17:08 +0100
> From: Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler at chello.at>
> Subject: Re: kernel
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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> "Stanisław T. Findeisen" wrote:
> > Why doesn't Fedora use vanilla Linux kernel?
>
> Because packages need to be patched to integrate with the rest of the
> distribution and the kernel is no exception.
>
> Because Fedora is about shipping new technologies which sometimes have to
> be
> backported to stable releases and the kernel is no exception.
>
> And to ask back: Why should it?
>
> One of Fedora's goals is to stay close to upstream (and in fact some other
> distributions have a lot more kernel patches than Fedora does), but that
> doesn't mean we ship completely vanilla upstream software without regards
> to things like system integration. If we just did that (and if it even
> worked, which is not always the case), what would be the purpose of the
> distribution?
>
>        Kevin Kofler
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