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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko gmail com> wrote:

> From: Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko gmail com>
> Subject: Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list redhat com>
> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 4:14 PM
> On Thursday 23 July 2009 20:48:44
> jdow wrote:
> > From: "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday crashcourse ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, 2009/July/23 10:56
> >
> > >  apologies for the unduly harsh tone but,
> seriously, will there ever
> > > be radeon drivers available for fedora that
> aren't complete junk?
> > > this has been going on for some time now, and
> nothing's changed.
> >
> > Hell no. This is X-windows. I've had drivers crashing
> left and right on
> > my old laptop since FC5 or so. And it's just been
> getting worse with time
> > not better. Now I understand why ATI drivers are crap
> on Windows, too.
> > They must play the Adaptec game, you pick your chip
> rev for the bugs you
> > are willing to work around. Over the last 5 or so
> years I have developed
> > an intense hate for ATI anything, even now that they
> are related to AMD.
> +1
> It seems that radeon driver works for some cards (typically
> old/low-end ones), 
> but in general it is basically a complete gamble.
> Proprietary ATI drivers Just 
> Don't Work (tm). And it's been like that since I got my
> first ATI card (at the 
> time of FC2).
> The situation is really sad --- ATI claim to support open
> source, yet they 
> release the code only for obsolete cards. Intel cards are
> open source, but 
> that still doesn't mean that bugs get fixed, and the driver
> is extremely 
> unstable. This leaves us with nVidia --- yum install
> akmod-nvidia and 
> everything Just Works. Yes, it's closed source, but it
> works, contrary to both 
> ATI and Intel.
> I really don't understand why so many people hate nVidia.
> It has good support, 
> they demonstrated very good cooperation with KDE4
> developers recently, the 
> driver works with both high- and low-end cards... Yes, it
> is closed source, 
> but so is ATI (except for the old X-family cards). And
> people at nVidia are at 
> least honest about not giving the source.
> If you want a high-end graphics card to do 
> 3D/gaming/googleearth/Compiz/whatever, nVidia (with binary
> drivers) is 
> basically the only choice. ATI drivers don't work with 3D,
> open-source radeon 
> driver doesn't support HD cards, and Intel just doesn't
> have high-end graphics 
> cards.
> I know, nVidia also had its bad moments, but on large
> timescale they 
> demonstrate stability. ATI has never demonstrated any. I'll
> never buy ATI 
> graphics card again.
> Best, :-)
> Marko
> -- 


Except Kevin does not like nvidia, but ATM it is the one that works best for my machines.




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