From netdxr at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 18:17:16 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:17:16 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Project Status? Message-ID: <863ff452050606111719b39725@mail.gmail.com> The list has been very quiet for the last few weeks. What's the status of the project? Is any development being done? -Tom From sgrubb at redhat.com Mon Jun 6 18:29:43 2005 From: sgrubb at redhat.com (Steve Grubb) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:29:43 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Project Status? In-Reply-To: <863ff452050606111719b39725@mail.gmail.com> References: <863ff452050606111719b39725@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200506061429.43403.sgrubb@redhat.com> On Monday 06 June 2005 14:17, Tom Lisjac wrote: > What's the status of the project? Is any development being done? I'm busy with linux audit system. Sometime in July I was planning to revisit live cd creation while updating rookery build system for FC4/5. -Steve From katzj at redhat.com Mon Jun 6 18:43:21 2005 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:43:21 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Project Status? In-Reply-To: <863ff452050606111719b39725@mail.gmail.com> References: <863ff452050606111719b39725@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1118083402.3968.65.camel@bree.local.net> On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 12:17 -0600, Tom Lisjac wrote: > The list has been very quiet for the last few weeks. What's the status > of the project? Is any development being done? To be honest, at this point, I think we're largely looking for someone to step forward and say "here, I have something that starts to work... let's make it work better". That's going to be the best way to get things moving forward quickly. Jeremy From wmealing at redhat.com Mon Jun 6 22:27:03 2005 From: wmealing at redhat.com (Wade Mealing) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:27:03 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Project Status? In-Reply-To: <863ff452050606111719b39725@mail.gmail.com> References: <863ff452050606111719b39725@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1118096823.4468.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 12:17 -0600, Tom Lisjac wrote: > The list has been very quiet for the last few weeks. What's the status > of the project? Is any development being done? > > -Tom > > -- > Fedora-livecd-list mailing list > Fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list I've been prodding anaconda, working on getting something usable out of that. At the moment I have it installing to a chroot (which will soon be a loopback iso) and trying to implement some sanity checks. I don't know if this is what the lists wants, as it allows people to build custom "Fedora" distributions, albeit still from our packages. The plan being, that this can generate live CD's from any installable tree. Once a "Tree" has been built, just like normal anaconda it will produce a kickstart file and this should be able to automate "installs" for a live CD. -- Wade Mealing Red Hat Global Support Services From netdxr at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 04:22:57 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:22:57 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Project Status? In-Reply-To: <1118096823.4468.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <863ff452050606111719b39725@mail.gmail.com> <1118096823.4468.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <863ff452050606212228b7c8cb@mail.gmail.com> On 6/6/05, Wade Mealing wrote: > Once a "Tree" has been built, just like normal anaconda it will produce > a kickstart file and this should be able to automate "installs" for a > live CD. I like this approach. I've been using kickstart and yum to automate the builds of our production servers for some time. The post-install script allows yum installs and updates to be done where dependancies for locally maintained packages are resolved automatically. It's beautiful... makes building a customized server a breeze! The Windows guys I work with are envious because this process can produce a fully updated and configured server from bare metal with no manual intervention. A similar build approach would be ideal for creating a bootable CD. Pre-defined configurations could be developed and shared via kickstart files... and the build process (with yum) could automatically create a sophisticated, up to date image without the builder having to be a guru. A kickstart driven system would also make it possible to tap into some of the "bare bones" work that is being done to reduce the size of the "minimal install"... obviously an important consideration for a CD: http://www.simpaticus.com/linux/barebones-server-howto.php If you have something that you can share at this point, I'd like to help test and refine it. -Tom From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jun 9 14:38:46 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Revival of this list: Fedora Live DVD? Message-ID: So. Had a few discussions around this at the Red Hat Summit -- it became a hot topic in the Fedora BOF there. What came out of it? Well... ...for one thing, it became clear that we need to kickstart this list. :) For another thing, some folks asked: why not Live DVD? For another thing, some folks asked: why not put the installer on it, so that people can install the precise image they're playing with? And lots of other questions. But for me, here's the takeaway: There's lots of Live CDs. Too many to count. If we're not doing something interesting, then we're nothing more than one more Live CD with Fedora branding. What about a Live DVD? With potential goals of: 1. Allowing users to choose to run the image that suits them; 2. Allowing users to install from DVD if they like; 3. Allowing us to put multiple arches on one DVD, if possible? Looking at the download numbers from the torrent, we're seeing about 50/50 numbers for CD/DVD downloads. So what about it? I know a bunch of you folks have Live CD code that runs. Any of it convertible to Live DVD code? --g (p.s. Yes, we've announced the intention to announce the Fedora Foundation at some point. I hope this means that we'll be able to turn this into an officially sanctioned project at some point. But in the meantime, talking works.) _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From wmealing at redhat.com Thu Jun 9 23:14:58 2005 From: wmealing at redhat.com (Wade Mealing) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:14:58 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Revival of this list: Fedora Live DVD? | In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118358899.26566.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 10:38 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > So. Had a few discussions around this at the Red Hat Summit -- it became > a hot topic in the Fedora BOF there. What came out of it? Well... > > ...for one thing, it became clear that we need to kickstart this list. :) > > For another thing, some folks asked: why not Live DVD? At the moment, the workstation install spills over 650mb , but it could compress well, but at the moment it is looking like a live DVD to me. > > For another thing, some folks asked: why not put the installer on it, so > that people can install the precise image they're playing with? This can be done, although this would require all packages in rpm format to be on CD, space may prohibit this. > And lots of other questions. But for me, here's the takeaway: > > There's lots of Live CDs. Too many to count. If we're not doing > something interesting, then we're nothing more than one more Live CD with > Fedora branding. > This is true, I think that using anaconda to "create" a live CD package set is the differentiator (spelling ?) for us. Those who want to, can generate their own "Live (DV|C)D's" with whatever their focus is. By using anaconda and therefore kickstart, we can automate the creation of the liveCD. This creates a very clean way of creating liveCD's across both RHEL and Fedora. This benefits Fedora by: Any beta build features can be tested easily, and people with show stopping bugs can download a small ISO set that can test to see if their issue is solved. An automated "Rawhide" build can be created each day, which will save developers from having to do an install, and also people with issues currently being worked on, engineering can push them a "CD" that the user can test with minimal expense. > What about a Live DVD? With potential goals of: > > 1. Allowing users to choose to run the image that suits them; > 2. Allowing users to install from DVD if they like; > 3. Allowing us to put multiple arches on one DVD, if possible? > > Looking at the download numbers from the torrent, we're seeing about 50/50 > numbers for CD/DVD downloads. > > So what about it? I know a bunch of you folks have Live CD code that > runs. Any of it convertible to Live DVD code? > > --g > > (p.s. Yes, we've announced the intention to announce the Fedora Foundation > at some point. I hope this means that we'll be able to turn this into an > officially sanctioned project at some point. But in the meantime, talking > works.) > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > -- > Fedora-livecd-list mailing list > Fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list -- Wade Mealing Red Hat Global Support Services From wmealing at redhat.com Thu Jun 9 23:41:23 2005 From: wmealing at redhat.com (Wade Mealing) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:41:23 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Installation CD build scripts. Message-ID: <1118360483.26566.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't know who to talk to about this, I'll ask here, Red Hat obviously builds their installation ISO files, including applying the kernel and ISOLinux bootloader. I know that the ia64, ppc/nSeries cd boot scripts must be somewhere also. I'd like to integrate these into the anaconda scripts. Where are these scripts ? Can I use them ? Wade -- Wade Mealing Red Hat Global Support Services From katzj at redhat.com Fri Jun 10 15:48:36 2005 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:48:36 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Installation CD build scripts. In-Reply-To: <1118360483.26566.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118360483.26566.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1118418517.3052.37.camel@bree.local.net> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 09:41 +1000, Wade Mealing wrote: > I don't know who to talk to about this, I'll ask here, > > Red Hat obviously builds their installation ISO files, including > applying the kernel and ISOLinux bootloader. > > I know that the ia64, ppc/nSeries cd boot scripts must be somewhere > also. I'd like to integrate these into the anaconda scripts. > > Where are these scripts ? Can I use them ? This is all done with the (internal and heavily tied into beehive) builddistro scripts. Most of the information on what magic is needed is in anaconda/scripts/mk-images.*, though, so that we can create the boot.iso. Or, if you have more specific questions after that, ask here and I'll answer :-) Jeremy From cturner at pattern.net Sun Jun 12 16:51:57 2005 From: cturner at pattern.net (Chip Turner) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:51:57 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Revival of this list: Fedora Live DVD? In-Reply-To: (Greg DeKoenigsberg's message of "Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:38:46 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: My two cents (and I expect change back): I think we should think about why people like live CDs, and what they use them for. I think one of the big attractors is grabbing a CD and taking it into an unknown location and yet still having the environment and tools they like. I'm not sure how many people grab a live cd and then go 'hey this rocks, go ahead and install!' I'm sure it happens, but I suspect it isn't that often; more likely, they try the live CD out, like it, then plan some kind of more permanent install (remember, most Windows people will then have to add a second hard drive or repartition... not spur-of-the-moment activies). Having to download the entire distro, PLUS a pile of expanded binaries, would just waste bandwidth and annoy people. What would be cooler is if you could create them on the fly from a given package set; basically take a kickstart (well, the @Packages section) and turn it into a cd or dvd. Maybe also allow custom packages. Make some sensible default (OO+Gnome, maybe) available from the official FC site, but, if someone downloads the original DVDs or CDs, they should be able to just make their own. Chip Greg DeKoenigsberg writes: > So. Had a few discussions around this at the Red Hat Summit -- it became > a hot topic in the Fedora BOF there. What came out of it? Well... > > ...for one thing, it became clear that we need to kickstart this list. :) > > For another thing, some folks asked: why not Live DVD? > > For another thing, some folks asked: why not put the installer on it, so > that people can install the precise image they're playing with? > > And lots of other questions. But for me, here's the takeaway: > > There's lots of Live CDs. Too many to count. If we're not doing > something interesting, then we're nothing more than one more Live CD with > Fedora branding. > > What about a Live DVD? With potential goals of: > > 1. Allowing users to choose to run the image that suits them; > 2. Allowing users to install from DVD if they like; > 3. Allowing us to put multiple arches on one DVD, if possible? > > Looking at the download numbers from the torrent, we're seeing about 50/50 > numbers for CD/DVD downloads. > > So what about it? I know a bunch of you folks have Live CD code that > runs. Any of it convertible to Live DVD code? > > --g > > (p.s. Yes, we've announced the intention to announce the Fedora Foundation > at some point. I hope this means that we'll be able to turn this into an > officially sanctioned project at some point. But in the meantime, talking > works.) > > _____________________ ____________________________________________ > Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have > Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the > Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the > ] [ dumb. --mcluhan > > -- > Fedora-livecd-list mailing list > Fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list > -- Chip Turner cturner at pattern.net From fedora at leemhuis.info Sun Jun 12 17:19:25 2005 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:19:25 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Revival of this list: Fedora Live DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118596765.3029.17.camel@notebook.thl.home> Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2005, 12:51 -0400 schrieb Chip Turner: > My two cents (and I expect change back): And my two cents also: I asked someone from a computer magazine that ships live-cds now and then about the price-ratio of such cd/dvds. He told me dvd are about four times more expensive then a "normal" cd currently. I think such magazines are a very important fedora-live-{cd,dvd} target for marketing purposes. And if CDs are cheaper for magazines we should provide them with CDs -- maybe we could have a DVD, too, but the CD is more important imho. And, as somebody pointed out already, CD are cheaper to download also. -- Thorsten Leemhuis From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jun 13 10:54:15 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Revival of this list: Fedora Live DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Chip Turner wrote: > My two cents (and I expect change back): Your change, as requested. :) > I think we should think about why people like live CDs, and what they > use them for. > > I think one of the big attractors is grabbing a CD and taking it into > an unknown location and yet still having the environment and tools > they like. I'm not sure how many people grab a live cd and then go > 'hey this rocks, go ahead and install!' I'm sure it happens, but I > suspect it isn't that often; more likely, they try the live CD out, > like it, then plan some kind of more permanent install (remember, most > Windows people will then have to add a second hard drive or > repartition... not spur-of-the-moment activies). > > Having to download the entire distro, PLUS a pile of expanded > binaries, would just waste bandwidth and annoy people. True enough. One of my goals, though, is to have something that the Fedora Marketing project can burn and ship all over the world -- a complete "this is Fedora, baby, one DVD, put it in and watch 'er rip." In my cloud-cuckoo-land, the "as-not-yet-defined-but-soon-to-exist-Fedora-Foundation" would have budget to ship physical media to places that maybe can't even download CD images without great pain. And I say this knowing full well that DVD has not reached more than 50% market penetration yet in the best of cases -- but it'd be nice to be ahead of the curve on something, for once. :) > What would be cooler is if you could create them on the fly from a > given package set; basically take a kickstart (well, the @Packages > section) and turn it into a cd or dvd. Maybe also allow custom > packages. Make some sensible default (OO+Gnome, maybe) available from > the official FC site, but, if someone downloads the original DVDs or > CDs, they should be able to just make their own. Yeah, I think that the ability to create customized Live CDs/DVDs easily should be one of the primary goals as well. So... I *know* that a bunch of the folks on this list have code that works, doing bits and pieces of this stuff now. I know, because I added some of you to the list myself for that very reason. :) The question now is, "how do we get our hands dirty"? --g From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Jun 13 15:58:48 2005 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Revival of this list: Fedora Live DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Yeah, I think that the ability to create customized Live CDs/DVDs easily > should be one of the primary goals as well. > > So... I *know* that a bunch of the folks on this list have code that > works, doing bits and pieces of this stuff now. I know, because I added > some of you to the list myself for that very reason. :) > > The question now is, "how do we get our hands dirty"? One thing to note is that the "LiveCD generator" project is on the Fedora Bounties list for the summer of code, and to date it has been one of the most popular projects in terms of questions asked. This means that it is likely that we will have a student working on the project starting around the end of this month. No doubt this person will use the work so far as a starting point on their project. We'll have to see how the interaction between the student and this list works once the person gets started. Best, -- Elliot You can accomplish anything you want, so long as you don't care who gets credit for it. From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jun 13 15:09:36 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Live CD: Who's got some code? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems to me that, since we're about to have a lot of hands available, it's time to do a few things: 1. Identify everyone on the list who currently has code working that builds Live CDs, and set up CVS write access for those folks ASAP. Elliot, in your opinion, does it make sense to set aside a livecd repo under cvs.fedora.redhat.com? 2. Figure out how to do some show-and-tells, so everyone can get a common understanding of what's out there. 3. Get into an IRC channel sometime, somewhere, and start arguing about what the real requirements are. :) So: ROLL CALL! If you've got code that builds a Live CD somehow, tell us all about it. This means you. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Jun 13 16:42:21 2005 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Live CD: Who's got some code? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Seems to me that, since we're about to have a lot of hands available, it's > time to do a few things: > > 1. Identify everyone on the list who currently has code working that > builds Live CDs, and set up CVS write access for those folks ASAP. > Elliot, in your opinion, does it make sense to set aside a livecd repo > under cvs.fedora.redhat.com? We can put the stuff in the /cvs/fedora repository, since the LiveCD script seems like an infrastructure project. -- Elliot You can accomplish anything you want, so long as you don't care who gets credit for it. From netdxr at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 07:02:40 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:02:40 -0600 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Revival of this list: Fedora Live DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <863ff45205061500024f03e109@mail.gmail.com> On 6/13/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Chip Turner wrote: > True enough. One of my goals, though, is to have something that the > Fedora Marketing project can burn and ship all over the world -- a > complete "this is Fedora, baby, one DVD, put it in and watch 'er rip." This would involve a tedious but straightforward mastering process that could probably be done in a few days by an individual using existing tools. Unfortunately I don't see the utility of the DVD format when so many systems aren't equipped with them. Compression can pack a standard CD with most of the killer apps that Linux has to offer... and if the plan is to ship these around the world, they're going to encounter a lot of older hardware that won't know what a DVD is. > > What would be cooler is if you could create them on the fly from a > > given package set; basically take a kickstart... but, if someone > > downloads the original DVDs or > > CDs, they should be able to just make their own. This is the project I'm interested in working on. A graphical tool to do this doesn't exist yet. > The question now is, "how do we get our hands dirty"? Focusing on a specific goal would be a good start. Media size and type are just parameters. A challenge worthy of this list would be creating a tool that makes package selection, customization and image building easy. For me, the basic requirement is gui based system that will create a variety of selectable OS image types from a pile of binary RPMs. In this context, business card CD's, UML images, DVD's, USB stick bootables, hd installs, etc are just radio buttons on a tabbed panel. Roger Binn's UMLBuilder with individual package and media type selection is pretty close: http://umlbuilder.sourceforge.net/ So at this point, we have two different projects on the table. One is to build a FedoraMax DVD... the other is to build a "builder". Picking the one that the people on this list are interested in would probably be the best way to get started. -Tom From n.richter at qut.edu.au Wed Jun 15 23:41:05 2005 From: n.richter at qut.edu.au (neville) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:41:05 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora "builder" CD In-Reply-To: <863ff45205061500024f03e109@mail.gmail.com> References: <863ff45205061500024f03e109@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42B0BC91.2000306@qut.edu.au> Tom Lisjac wrote: >On 6/13/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > >>On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Chip Turner wrote: >> >> > > > >>True enough. One of my goals, though, is to have something that the >>Fedora Marketing project can burn and ship all over the world -- a >>complete "this is Fedora, baby, one DVD, put it in and watch 'er rip." >> >> > >This would involve a tedious but straightforward mastering process >that could probably be done in a few days by an individual using >existing tools. Unfortunately I don't see the utility of the DVD >format when so many systems aren't equipped with them. Compression >can pack a standard CD with most of the killer apps that Linux has to >offer... and if the plan is to ship these around the world, they're >going to encounter a lot of older hardware that won't know what a DVD >is. > > > >>>What would be cooler is if you could create them on the fly from a >>>given package set; basically take a kickstart... but, if someone >>>downloads the original DVDs or >>>CDs, they should be able to just make their own. >>> >>> > >This is the project I'm interested in working on. A graphical tool to >do this doesn't exist yet. > > > >>The question now is, "how do we get our hands dirty"? >> >> > >Focusing on a specific goal would be a good start. > >Media size and type are just parameters. A challenge worthy of this >list would be creating a tool that makes package selection, >customization and image building easy. For me, the basic requirement >is gui based system that will create a variety of selectable OS image >types from a pile of binary RPMs. In this context, business card >CD's, UML images, DVD's, USB stick bootables, hd installs, etc are >just radio buttons on a tabbed panel. Roger Binn's UMLBuilder with >individual package and media type selection is pretty close: > >http://umlbuilder.sourceforge.net/ > >So at this point, we have two different projects on the table. One is >to build a FedoraMax DVD... the other is to build a "builder". Picking >the one that the people on this list are interested in would probably >be the best way to get started. > >-Tom > >-- >Fedora-livecd-list mailing list >Fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list > > Hi, Here is what I am going to do with the next version of ADIOS live CD so why not Fedora "builder" CD. I am including squashfs and unionfs as part of the kernel. So my suggestion is that standard Fedora kernel have these modules or similar, then it is easy to create a "builder" CD on the fly, just create a "root_fs" filesystem on a spare partition or directly into a 2GByte loopback filesystem. This root_fs filesystem is then placed within a squashfs filesystem. This only requires the startup process using say isolinux+busybox+vmlinuz+initrd.gz (or whatever) to mount the squashfs, create a ram drive for read-write, then mount the loopback using unionfs, a few extra "if" statements in rc.sysinit (or rc.bootcd) and then the live CD works. -- regards Neville ----------------------------------------------------------------------- email: n.richter at qut.edu.au room: S745 Gardens Point phone: +61 7 3864 1928 fax: +61 7 3221 2384 web: http://dc.qut.edu.au/sedc/staff/neville_richter.html Neville Richter, Senior Lecturer School of Software Engineering & Data Communications Faculty of Information Technology Queensland University of Technology Box 2434 Brisbane 4001 AUSTRALIA From wmealing at redhat.com Thu Jun 16 03:58:29 2005 From: wmealing at redhat.com (Wade Mealing) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:58:29 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora "builder" CD In-Reply-To: <42B0BC91.2000306@qut.edu.au> References: <863ff45205061500024f03e109@mail.gmail.com> <42B0BC91.2000306@qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <1118894309.26882.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Hi, > > Here is what I am going to do with the next version of ADIOS live CD so > why not Fedora "builder" CD. I am including squashfs and unionfs as > part of the kernel. > > So my suggestion is that standard Fedora kernel have these modules or > similar, then it is easy to create a "builder" CD on the fly, just > create a "root_fs" filesystem on a spare partition or directly into a > 2GByte loopback filesystem. This root_fs filesystem is then placed > within a squashfs filesystem. This only requires the startup process > using say isolinux+busybox+vmlinuz+initrd.gz (or whatever) to mount the > squashfs, create a ram drive for read-write, then mount the loopback > using unionfs, a few extra "if" statements in rc.sysinit (or rc.bootcd) > and then the live CD works. > Neville, Are the scripts used for ADIOS liveCD available under the GPL to the public. I may have missed something, is there any chance I get the source code ? Wade -- Wade Mealing Red Hat Global Support Services From n.richter at qut.edu.au Fri Jun 17 01:07:21 2005 From: n.richter at qut.edu.au (Neville Richter) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:07:21 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora "builder" CD Message-ID: <20050617110721.BPQ35988@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> Wade, Everything with respect to the ADIOS project except for a few documents has been copyrighted GNU General Public License. The Makefile in /adk directory on the CD, allows you to create the developement environment for ADIOS. You may want to add some extra scripts to trim the number of languages down to 1 or 2 so that you can install more packages on a your "rebuilder" CD. I use a Makefile to only support a few langauges but this could be customised so that the user is able to build a CD that only supports the languages that they want. I suggest that this should really be part of the basic Fedora Core install anyway as most people only know one or two langauges at best. I have only just downloaded Fedora Core 4, so work of ADIOS 5 is only just beginning. I am redesigning the image so that it is less complicated. The linuxrc files in the initial ram disk has grown into a monster, so a redesign has become necessary. If you only want to use the unionfs solution then the work should be straight forward, however I want to be able to boot also without unionfs enabled so I am modifying the filesystem via a Makefile and moving all read-write files into the /var directory, which will be then copied to a RAM drive and then mounted as /var. (Thus I have removed the need to have a separate var.tgz file in the next version). I have problems with the combination of unionfs, LIDS and UML so I do need a non unionfs startup still to support virtual machines, although I have started to lan with XEN. I am currently thinking of not using LIDS, but using the selinux kernel and supporting that on the boot CD as well. I am also waiting on the 2.6.12 kernel to be released. regards Neville ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:58:29 +1000 >From: Wade Mealing >Subject: Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] Fedora "builder" CD >To: Fedora LiveCD list > > >> Hi, >> >> Here is what I am going to do with the next version of ADIOS live CD so >> why not Fedora "builder" CD. I am including squashfs and unionfs as >> part of the kernel. >> >> So my suggestion is that standard Fedora kernel have these modules or >> similar, then it is easy to create a "builder" CD on the fly, just >> create a "root_fs" filesystem on a spare partition or directly into a >> 2GByte loopback filesystem. This root_fs filesystem is then placed >> within a squashfs filesystem. This only requires the startup process >> using say isolinux+busybox+vmlinuz+initrd.gz (or whatever) to mount the >> squashfs, create a ram drive for read-write, then mount the loopback >> using unionfs, a few extra "if" statements in rc.sysinit (or rc.bootcd) >> and then the live CD works. >> > >Neville, > > Are the scripts used for ADIOS liveCD available under the GPL to the >public. I may have missed something, is there any chance I get the >source code ? > >Wade > >-- >Wade Mealing >Red Hat Global Support Services > >-- >Fedora-livecd-list mailing list >Fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list From sundaram at redhat.com Sun Jun 19 02:21:55 2005 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:51:55 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Remastering Berry Linux Message-ID: <42B4D6C3.4080302@redhat.com> Hi Here is some interesting information on remastering Berry Linux which is a Fedora based Live CD http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56576 regards Rahul