From george at ignitelearning.com Mon Oct 2 17:34:47 2006 From: george at ignitelearning.com (George Nincehelser) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:34:47 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] USB-Disk Bootable Fedora Core 5? Message-ID: <7EF975FD6457E7439D70CDE0355581FF4DB783@blueribbon.ignitelearning.com> I know this is somewhat tangential to the list, but I was wondering if anyone has had success making a bootable Fedora (preferably Core 5) on an external USB hard drive? (Not a flash drive, but an actual notebook hard drive connected to a USB adapter) I've gotten to the point where Fedora is installed on the HD, a new mkinitrd is built to include the necessary USB modules, Grub configured, etc. However, when Fedora starts to boot, it eventually panics because it can't find the volumes. I've tried it without LVM, but that didn't help. It just panics on trying to mount the partitions instead. I've gotten DSL running from a flash drive, but I'd really rather have a Fedora install on a USB hard drive that I could run anywhere. Any insight would be appreciated! Thanks George From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Fri Oct 20 07:57:57 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (Jasper Hartline) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Kadischi - graphical frontend Message-ID: <45388185.7070001@adelphia.net> Hello. Chitlesh Goorah, I am curious if I can get the latest version of your GUI frontend for Kadischi. I have some time available and would like to toss around with the GUI a bit. It looked good last time I saw it. Thans. J. Hartline From majain at redhat.com Fri Oct 20 08:54:14 2006 From: majain at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=AF=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=95_=E0=A4=9C=E0=A5=88?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A4=A8?=) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:24:14 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Kadischi - graphical frontend In-Reply-To: <45388185.7070001@adelphia.net> References: <45388185.7070001@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1161334454.2744.11.camel@majain.pnq.redhat.com> On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 02:57 -0500, Jasper Hartline wrote: > Hello. > Chitlesh Goorah, I am curious if I can get the latest version of your > GUI frontend for Kadischi. > I have some time available and would like to toss around with the GUI a bit. I'd also be interested in the same :) :) Makuchaku http://www.makuchaku.info From mightymidget at dsl.pipex.com Fri Oct 20 10:01:48 2006 From: mightymidget at dsl.pipex.com (MightyMidget) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:01:48 +0100 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Kadischi - graphical frontend In-Reply-To: <1161334454.2744.11.camel@majain.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: Me too!! Andy - the silent listener -----Original Message----- From: fedora-livecd-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-livecd-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of ???? ??? Sent: 20 October 2006 09:54 To: fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] Kadischi - graphical frontend On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 02:57 -0500, Jasper Hartline wrote: > Hello. > Chitlesh Goorah, I am curious if I can get the latest version of your > GUI frontend for Kadischi. > I have some time available and would like to toss around with the GUI a bit. I'd also be interested in the same :) :) Makuchaku http://www.makuchaku.info -- Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 17/10/2006 From chitlesh at fedoraproject.org Fri Oct 20 10:42:55 2006 From: chitlesh at fedoraproject.org (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:42:55 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Kadischi - graphical frontend In-Reply-To: <45388185.7070001@adelphia.net> References: <45388185.7070001@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0610200342o63c1d0c5m27ac47e971933200@mail.gmail.com> On 10/20/06, Jasper Hartline wrote: > Hello. > Chitlesh Goorah, I am curious if I can get the latest version of your > GUI frontend for Kadischi. > I have some time available and would like to toss around with the GUI a bit. > > It looked good last time I saw it. > Thans. Hello, sorry, I didn't get time to improve it since. however my kdevelop is crashing on me, ill wait for fc6 to work on it. I'll fire a tarball of what I have and -the options included - working - disabled during development. chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com From majain at redhat.com Fri Oct 20 11:01:10 2006 From: majain at redhat.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A4=AE=E0=A4=AF=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=95_=E0=A4=9C=E0=A5=88?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A4=A8?=) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:31:10 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Kadischi - graphical frontend In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0610200342o63c1d0c5m27ac47e971933200@mail.gmail.com> References: <45388185.7070001@adelphia.net> <13dbfe4f0610200342o63c1d0c5m27ac47e971933200@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1161342070.2744.19.camel@majain.pnq.redhat.com> On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 12:42 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > Hello, > sorry, I didn't get time to improve it since. however my kdevelop is > crashing on me, ill wait for fc6 to work on it. > I'll fire a tarball of what I have and > -the options included > - working > - disabled during development. That'll be just great :) :) Makuchaku From jdogalt at yahoo.com Fri Oct 20 17:49:25 2006 From: jdogalt at yahoo.com (Jane Dogalt) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] goals/status? Message-ID: <20061020174925.19796.qmail@web56901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> While I have my own projects and goals, I was wondering what the general status is regarding this list - "fedora live cd". Specifically, I'm curious as to what the top 3 unfinished goals are for this project. And what the current plan for achieving those goals is, and where the output will be hosted for testing that meets those goals (when that happens). It seems to me, that there should be a checklist/bugzilla of features, that describe what we are aiming for, such that if someone uses kadischi or pilgrim or some other tool to generate a prototype, that beta testers can refer to and evaluate said prototype. Obviously there are many desired features, but what I'd like to see, is maybe a weekly/monthly listing of the top 3 "todo items", so that we can start knocking them off, and seeing things progress. So, to clarify/reiterate- 1) where are the alhpa/beta prototypes (give me urls/torrents that work) and 2) what are the top (3) priority features that are missing. One of the key things I've been working on in my own project, and mentioning here for some time now, is that I'd like to see a completely automated livecd generation system. Such that a cvs tree of extra files/configuration might get nightly/weekly built into a testable .iso. I think if we had that infrastructure, it would drastically increase the rate of progress on the project. It would be like "hey, feature XYZ on build fedora-livecd-20061020a.iso is broken", or "this build just got this feature, please test." agree/disagree? -dmc/jdog __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Sun Oct 22 06:26:11 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (Jasper Hartline) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:26:11 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] goals/status? In-Reply-To: <20061020174925.19796.qmail@web56901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061020174925.19796.qmail@web56901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453B0F03.4090304@adelphia.net> Jane Dogalt wrote: > While I have my own projects and goals, I was wondering what the > general status is regarding this list - "fedora live cd". > > Specifically, I'm curious as to what the top 3 unfinished goals are for > this project. And what the current plan for achieving those goals is, > and where the output will be hosted for testing that meets those goals > (when that happens). > > It seems to me, that there should be a checklist/bugzilla of features, > that describe what we are aiming for, such that if someone uses > kadischi or pilgrim or some other tool to generate a prototype, that > beta testers can refer to and evaluate said prototype. > > Obviously there are many desired features, but what I'd like to see, is > maybe a weekly/monthly listing of the top 3 "todo items", so that we > can start knocking them off, and seeing things progress. > > So, to clarify/reiterate- > > 1) where are the alhpa/beta prototypes (give me urls/torrents that > work) > One of Kadischi's priorities are installing a system from a LiveCD. The work has been done in Anaconda to allow Anaconda to run from the LiveCD environement with the exception of Anaconda using utilities in /usr/sbin/ rather than in /sbin where these utilites would be normally in a real system. Such as mkswap, mke2fs, tune2fs, mkreiserfs, mkfs.xfs, and so on. You can refer to bugzilla entry 205137 to download a prototype disc I have created that demonstrates the potential of this being a reality sooner than later. (Thus my frustration when told Pilgrim is closer to this goal than Kadischi and that Kadischi patches to Anaconda were of low priority. The writer is simply uninformed, and I have already stated I was not mentioning it since it wasn't actually working yet but being worked on.) Have a look: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=205137 As soon as this can be rectified the LiveCD to system install is complete. Polishing is only neccessary afterwards. The current Anaconda can, without patching be run from within a LiveCD environment. Where we are at now, is during installling packages an exception occurs stating the header files do not exist, upon inspection they do actually exist. > and > > 2) what are the top (3) priority features that are missing. > > One of the key things I've been working on in my own project, and > mentioning here for some time now, is that I'd like to see a completely > automated livecd generation system. Such that a cvs tree of extra > files/configuration might get nightly/weekly built into a testable > .iso. I think if we had that infrastructure, it would drastically > increase the rate of progress on the project. It would be like "hey, > feature XYZ on build fedora-livecd-20061020a.iso is broken", or "this > build just got this feature, please test." > > agree/disagree? > I agree to the fullest. Another of Kadischi's priorities is integration of some sort of user interface that can be used but is not required to run Kadischi, to keep compatibility with Kickstart LiveCD generation, etc. If you would like to see the current progress the Fedora Unity project is doing with Kadischi visit: http://torrent.fedoraunity.org/torrents There you will find several different makes of Fedora LiveCD discs. Recently we have been able to and successfully compile LiveCDs for x86_64 also. I am still waiting on Chitlesh to post the Kadischi PyQT UI code he has, if it is newer than the last copy I saw from him which I have here on disk. J. Hartline From davidz at redhat.com Mon Oct 23 19:27:13 2006 From: davidz at redhat.com (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:27:13 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] goals/status? In-Reply-To: <453B0F03.4090304@adelphia.net> References: <20061020174925.19796.qmail@web56901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <453B0F03.4090304@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1161631633.2597.55.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 01:26 -0500, Jasper Hartline wrote: > One of Kadischi's priorities are installing a system from a LiveCD. Sorry, but I don't think just running anaconda from a live cd environment consuming RPM packages shipped side-by-side with the live cd file system qualifies as "installable livecd". At least you can't do anything interesting in 700MB without requiring network access. For the record, I do have an "installable livecd" with pilgrim now though the code needs to be cleaned up, see attached for current code dump. It should be self-explanatory more or less. With this I'm able to install from the LiveCD in ca. 5-6 minutes. It works pretty nice... but then again, I don't have much time (nor the inclination but that's another matter) to hack on this (let alone time to participate on this list) these days but at least I was hoping someone would pick up this train of thought as I do believe the current Kadischi livecd installation is sub optimal. So.. It's a little sad we can't seem to find agreement on the simple definition of what a "installable livecd" is... and I still do think that doing work which is clearly not on par with the distributions that Fedora competes with... is not the path we want Fedora to be on. Something for Greg and co. to think about I guess. Anyway, enough flaming from me. Perfect is the enemy of the Good or whatever it is they say. Good luck. David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a practical issue related to this discussion. I need to produce media within a few days after FC6 is released to distribute with the Fedora 6 Bible. I'm allowed to have a DVD (for that I'll use the Fedora install DVD) and a CD that I want to double as a live/install CD. I would prefer to have something similar to the Ubuntu or Gentoo live CDs. They have icons on the desktop that install a workable system from the CD. (I don't think you need the network for a basic install, but I could be wrong.) But, in lieu of a better idea, I'll simply create a CD that (from the boot prompt) will either boot the live CD or start an "askmethod" install. I agree it is not an elegant solution, but I would love to hear if there are any better ones available right now. David, if you are close, I wouldn't my trying out whatever you have. -- Chris Negus From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Mon Oct 23 22:14:44 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (Jasper Hartline) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:14:44 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] goals/status? In-Reply-To: <1161631633.2597.55.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> References: <20061020174925.19796.qmail@web56901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <453B0F03.4090304@adelphia.net> <1161631633.2597.55.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> Message-ID: <453D3ED4.6040806@adelphia.net> David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 01:26 -0500, Jasper Hartline wrote: > >> One of Kadischi's priorities are installing a system from a LiveCD. >> > > Sorry, but I don't think just running anaconda from a live cd > environment consuming RPM packages shipped side-by-side with the live cd > file system qualifies as "installable livecd". At least you can't do > anything interesting in 700MB without requiring network access. > > For the record, I do have an "installable livecd" with pilgrim now > though the code needs to be cleaned up, see attached for current code > dump. It should be self-explanatory more or less. With this I'm able to > install from the LiveCD in ca. 5-6 minutes. It works pretty nice... but > then again, I don't have much time (nor the inclination but that's > another matter) to hack on this (let alone time to participate on this > list) these days but at least I was hoping someone would pick up this > train of thought as I do believe the current Kadischi livecd > installation is sub optimal. > In 700MB you don't have room for any RPM packages, so network would be required. The problem with your approach is that you do not include flexibility with your installation method. You're simply copying the LiveCD system to the disk. With the Kadischi/Anaconda approach a standard Fedora Core installer interface is brought up. With a DVD it is possible (I've already done it and tested it) to include 3.2GB of RPM packages (The whole of Fedora Core) with 1.5 or so GB left for the LiveDVD system. Your script doesn't seem to handle any sort of upgrade path either, which Anaconda does. The method I am working on simply includes a partitioner, an upgrade path, and flexibility in package selection in one tool, Anaconda. Plus it is the stock Fedora Core installer mechanism. > So.. It's a little sad we can't seem to find agreement on the simple > definition of what a "installable livecd" is... and I still do think > that doing work which is clearly not on par with the distributions that > Fedora competes with... is not the path we want Fedora to be on. > Something for Greg and co. to think about I guess. > > Anyway, enough flaming from me. Perfect is the enemy of the Good or > whatever it is they say. Good luck. > We don't neccessarily have to agree. I think what is best is that we both work on both projects and let the user base and other members of the list decide what they like. You don't have much mind for flexibility and it is proven by the fact that you think only one project should be worked on, Greg or mether I do not remember which has already stated this isn't just the Kadischi Fedora Core LiveCD list. Also I disagree to the fullest that an Anaconda to system from LiveCD install is on par with other distribution's progess also. Fedora Core is knows to be a full, robust operating system not a drop on a dime oh just include this and this with no choice distribution, lke DSL or Puppy Linux. Those are minimal systems, and from a fully features robust system like Fedora Core, I would expect nothing less than package selection choices and partitioner, with viable upgrade path from the distribution's LiveCD project. Anaconda is also familiar to alot of people, so new users getting guidance from an already knowledgeable user, would have not to learn yet another installation tool and method, but could use the same method presented with Anaconda. J. Hartline From zrchrn at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 22:23:00 2006 From: zrchrn at gmail.com (Ahm ed) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Anaconda installer issue Message-ID: I too had the idea of using anaconda to install from the live-cd, the idea was to first use a dvd, then eventually find a way to narrow the package list down, to allow for the use of a cd. I think however this may not ALWAYS be the best method. I don't mind having the basic setup on the cd copied directly to the disk, in that manner I don't have to use up a dvd, instead I will only need to download and burn a CD. So long as we get something like ubuntu's reconstructer to allow each person to EASILY reconfigure the cd to their tastes and their needs. Both ideas are necessary, an all inclusive dvd and a basic cd. It would seem the use of anaconda on the dvd would be a good idea since for the most part people won't want to have ALL that software installed and anaconda allows for that customization. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdogalt at yahoo.com Sat Oct 28 23:23:50 2006 From: jdogalt at yahoo.com (Jane Dogalt) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Re: goals/status? Message-ID: <20061028232350.44976.qmail@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ok, I should probably reply to the thread I started. So it sounds like the basic agreement is that the key 'missing' feature is an installable livecd, with the install-from-livecd method being so useful it could potentially replace the standard installation method. My thoughts on this are- - I'm personally a little more concerned with the generic robustness of the livecd as a livecd. I can see why fedora, playing catchup in the livecd space, might be tempted to pursue the livecd-installer feature, but I would remind people that the evolution of other great livecds started with a robust livecd, and then added the livecd installer later. Personally I'd like to see a robust fc6 livecd, without installer, that gets widely used, just as a livecd first. I think there is a lot of development and testing/quality-assurance infrastructure that needs to be layed down to achieve that. I think there is a lot you can do to make a livecd popular that you can't do if you are trying to make it be the holy-grail installer replacement from the beginning. I.e. putting so much emphasis on the installer feature will bog the project down, because it will take so much work on so many corner cases to actually make it replace the age-old standard install method. (not that it can't be done, but I think it should be done incrementally, i.e. a robust livecd first, then beta installer that evolves to installer-replacement quality). - regarding the actual implementation of the install-from-livecd, I think that all methods described so far are useful, valid, and should all be available in the ideal output. I.e. the livecd generator should be able to include: a) a version of anaconda that talks to network repos, and basically behaves more or less just like anaconda does now on the standard install cd(it is technically a livecd already...). I.e. upgrades matter, full flexibility matters*** ***tangent) one thing that has always bugged me (and many others) about fedora and other linux distros, is that it is not trivial and obvious how to reconfigure the things configured during install. I.e. I think there should be a post install system-config-* for every aspect of configuration during the install, and that the interface should look similar enough that users realize it's the same thing. I.e. the whole gparted not as good as anaconda partitioning, or the long time it took to see most of the system-config-* tools which are finally approaching this ideal. b) the version of anaconda in (a) should also be able to talk to local repo, if the livecd generator was told to include a local repo. Optionally the local repo could be dynamically generated by repacking livecd files, to save space (i.e. keep enough info in the livecd filesystem to reconstruct the rpms on the fly). c) an installer that just installs the same system as on the livecd should exist, which requires no extra repos. Possibly via rebootless method I previously outlined, or a simple tarcopy from the mounted livecd fs, along with partitioning tool and bootloader install tool (e.g. pilgrim(?)). Then, the livecd installed system, should be one which is (a) locked down and smartly configured as a 'base' system (b) trivially post-install reconfigurable via the system-config-* tools (or GUI control-panel-alike) into any kind of system that could have been configured via the traditional installer/configurator(i.e. anaconda). Anyway, in conclusion, I plan to work on the above sorts of things. Much more so in 2 months when my school workload drops by about a factor of 3. And hopefully there isn't some radical aspect of this installer debate which I'm oblivious to because I haven't yet played with the latest RHEL beta. later... -dmc/jdog ____________________________________________________________________________________ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) From jasperhartline at adelphia.net Sat Oct 28 23:34:43 2006 From: jasperhartline at adelphia.net (Jasper Hartline) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:34:43 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Kadischi - GUI Message-ID: <4543E913.4020706@adelphia.net> Chitlesh Goorah Is there a possibility you can host the latest of your Kadischi PyQT or GTK GUI code so others can work on it? J. Hartline From zrchrn at gmail.com Mon Oct 30 01:13:14 2006 From: zrchrn at gmail.com (Ahm ed) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:13:14 -0500 Subject: [Fedora-livecd-list] Re: Fedora-livecd-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20061029170015.76424737EA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061029170015.76424737EA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Excellent point Jdog( I assume that's the name) I must add that the Fedora Live cd put out by Fedora-Unity has consistently failed to properly detect my video card as well as the one on my parents computer. It seems there is no dynamic generation of the xorg.conf file. Rather the vesa driver is enabled which sadly does not work for many cards. This is a problem I hope will be resolved. Good luck. If you need any help please as and if I or other members can't do it we can hopefully direct the proper people to come and provided assistance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: