[Fedora-livecd-list] Kickstart templating and localized spins

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Jeremy Katz wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 17:30 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>> fedora-live-base.ks
>>    Includes everything needed to make a live spin work.
> 
> How does this differ from fedora-base-desktop.ks which we have today and
> which is used as the basis for the Desktop, the KDE and the XFCE spins?
> 

This particular 'base.ks' is not necessarily different in this aspect, 
as you could tell from the demo 'base.ks' in the spin-kickstarts GIT 
repository on hosted.

The point of 'base' though is to really only include the bits needed to 
make a live spin work. It's what other people can base their work on for 
a new spin concept, without too much being inherited. In that aspect 
still it is very much similar if not completely equal to what exists 
today in the livecd GIT repo/packages. It allows further customization 
in the higher level kickstarts without having to undo or override what's 
in the base kickstart.

Possibly, we'd include settings that are non-negotiable; selinux comes 
to mind, as well as disabling firstboot, etc.

>> fedora-live-desktop.ks
>>    Includes everything needed to make the 'desktop' spin concept work,
>>    but no localization. Includes fedora-live-base.ks.
>>
>> fedora-live-desktop-<lang>.ks
>>    Includes localization bits (lang, keyboard, timezone,
>>    @<lang>-support). Includes fedora-live-desktop.ks.
>>
>> Maybe create fedora-live-desktop-default.ks to provide the default 
>> compose the way it is now (localization is en_US, includes @*-support).
> 
> Ummm, the configs for the way things are done today _have_ to exist in
> some form.  Otherwise, it kind of breaks the ability for us to, you
> know, release the distro ;-)

The Spin SIG is just as much concerned with the Fedora Project being 
able to release, of course ;-)

   I really don't like -default, though.

It can go away... The implication though is that the officially released 
version would actually be a localized version. I intended -default to be 
non-localized, yet at the localization (higher) level so that the 
released spin is valid for everyone. Would the bits in '-default' be at 
a higher level, a localized spin would inherit all the "default" 
localization bits (@*-support).

> 'base' has been pretty good, but -base-base-desktop seems odd :)  
> 

 From where I'm sitting, 'desktop' as it is right now is a spin concept 
(fedora-live-gnome.ks if you will). I'm sure there's bits all "Desktop" 
spins need (now livecd-fedora-8-base-desktop.ks): XFCE, KDE and "GNOME" 
(now 'desktop') come to mind. For now though, all spins are desktop 
orientated spins and hence there's no problem including the bits that 
make a desktop oriented spin in the base kickstart. Would non-desktop 
oriented spins rise to the surface, I'm sure that within a level we can 
distinct between certain branches. Right now I'm thinking 
'fedora-live-base-desktop.ks' vs. 'fedora-live-base-runlevel3.ks' but I 
would rather not commit to a model now only to find out it's invalid at 
the moment the first new spin concept comes along.

> I'm not against the general idea, although it's really too late to make
> changes to the configs we use for Fedora 9.
> 

I didn't expect otherwise. I'm aiming at the F10 development cycle.

>> Although possibly a futile point at this moment; A stock Fedora 8 
>> compose from the kickstarts currently in livecd-tools' GIT repo 
>> (including updates!), and one that only includes @dutch-support (new 
>> model, also including updates).
> 
> Sure you're not building x86_64 images?  As that looks pretty close to
> the x86_64 size.  If not, then ahh, the fun of the ever-growing distro!
> 

These were x86_64 composes, the point was the difference between a 
"default" spin (including @*-support), and a localized spin.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip