Fedora 7 Test 4 freeze Tuesday the 17th

[Hans de Goede]

Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Friday 13 April 2007 16:15:34 Hans de Goede wrote:
>> Hmm, thats the same document as for the test3 freeze and doesn't talk about
>> any tagging. When I issue (bugfix) updates to any of my packages on or
>> after the 17th, do I then need todo anything special to get them into test4
>> and/or final?
> 
> It's not the same document, I made some changes.  The test3 document was 
> FeatureFreeze, and tagging isn't mentioned there because the use of a freeze 
> tag isn't in place.
> 
> Until such time as Extras is built in Koji, or Core and Extras merge and are 
> built in Koji, as an Extras packager you don't have to worry about this.  _I_ 
> worry about it because I can't control what goes into Extras or what doesn't 
> go into Extras during the freeze.  But that's a price I'm willing to pay to 
> let Extras be extras until we merge, or get a new buildsystem in place that 
> makes this easy.
> 
>> When I issue non-bugfix updates can I still build them or must I wait till
>> Fedora 7 final and an F7 branch is created before building (in the new
>> devel then) non bugfix updates?
> 
> This is made a bit difficult by how our package SCM works.  Ideally you'd be 
> able to start doing non-bugfix updates somewhere and perhaps even build them, 
> but they wouldn't necessarily go into rawhide.  It would also not get in the 
> way of doing any bugfixes that are needed for the release we're trying to get 
> out.  Alas we don't necessarily have that right now, without using real cvs 
> branching, although you could do that.  Ideally you'd keep devel/ HEAD free 
> of any non-bugfix updates until it's branched off to F-7/ and then you'd be 
> free to do whatever you want with devel/.  Since we can't create F-7/ 
> directories from the tag that was used to produce the package that went out 
> in F-7, we have to make it from whatever is in devel/ HEAD at the time of the 
> branch, and you could wind up with content in F-7/ that didn't actually go 
> out in F7.
> 

Thanks for the long answer, but you didn't make things much clearer for me.

Let me try to rephrase the questions, and also although the why is of course 
very interesting could you please only answer with the how to make things 
clearer (and hopefully get something we can stick in the wiki for now).

Question 1:
If I issue a bugfix only release to an extras package do I need todo anything 
special for it to make the Fedora 7 final spin (still assuming a merged Fedora 
7 here)

Question 2:
If I want to make some new / exciting changes which might very well break 
things, can I put those in CVS somewhere now, or should I wait till a F7 cvs 
branch is created and only then commit these changes to the devel branch. IOW, 
should I do this as it has been done with extras the last few releases: hold 
back any risky packages updates until after the branch?

Thanks & Regards,

Hans