Deep Freeze coming for Fedora 7 (and cvs branching coming too)

Will Woods wwoods at redhat.com
Tue May 15 17:25:33 UTC 2007


On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 18:31 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 12:11 -0400, Will Woods wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 17:00 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> > > Will there be a way to short-circuit the announcement and just update,
> > > like it was possible before?
> > 
> > Holy Zod, no. No no no. Very no. 
> > 
> > There will be no more silent updating of packages without explanation
> > or at least a *chance* for testing. 
> What you call testing, I call locking out updates and bug-fixes
> == regression

Excuse me? Who said anything about locking out updates or bug fixes? I'm
just asking that packages spend a few days in a -testing repository -
which is open to the entire world - to be sanity tested by QA and
interested users before going to the updates repo.

How does that lock out *anything*? What are you even talking about?
Where are you drawing these ridiculous conclusions from?

> > Yeah, I know this makes putting out updates slightly harder,
> 
> == regression

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it
does. 

Let me get this straight: You think that being able to cram changes down
the throats of ~2mil users without justification or testing is a
*feature*, and that requiring (world-accessible) testing is a *bug*. 

> >  but in my
> > opinion the fact that we ever allowed this at all was a massive
> > oversight, not a design feature.
> 
> I disagree. Release early, release often is a feature, now you are
> spoiling one of the fundamental working principles of Fedora.

How is it spoiling anything? The packages are still available
immediately after build, just like before. I think you have
misunderstood what we're talking about here.

-w
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