Deep Freeze coming for Fedora 7 (and cvs branching coming too)

[Ralf Corsepius]

On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 13:35 -0400, Will Woods wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 19:02 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 12:11:05PM -0400, Will Woods wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 17:00 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote:
> > 
> > > We will have to work slightly harder in order to Do The Right Thing for
> > > our users, to ensure package sanity and overall distribution stability.
> > > Those are our goals, and I hope you'll agree that they're worth working
> > > for.
> > 
> > Indeed, but it isn't the point. Sometimes doing the right thing is not
> > losing time when there are better things to work on.
> 
> So, what I hear you saying is that - regardless of whether users want it
> or not - it's not worth *your* time to fill in the blanks on a short
> message saying:
>
>   package-1.2.3-4.fc7 is a (bugfix,enhancement,security) update
>   which (adds the following features, fixes the following bugs):
>   ...
Yes, because your are forcing me to waste my volunteered and unpaid time
on something hardly anybody needs.

> We could even auto-fill the message from the changelog entries.
If you really want such messages, yes, this is the only practicable way
not imposing usability regressions on maintainers.

> Look, here's the bottom line: people want to know what's changed when
> you update packages on their systems.
Wrong. Some people want to know. The majority runs "yum update" and
doesn't even know they have an option to know.

>  We can work together to make it
> easy for you to provide this information. Let's work together to make
> the infrastructure better rather than just refusing to use it.
Your first step should be to keep Fedora's contribution infrastructure
as simple as possible otherwise Fedora will be loosing contributors.

Ralf