Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 6

Casey Jones caseyjones at runbox.com
Mon Apr 9 16:42:24 UTC 2007 

A big +1 for the parrot!  Great work!

Casey


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>    1. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Thomas Canniot)
>    2. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Dimitris Glezos)
>    3. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Matthew Miller)
>    4. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (M?ir?n Duffy)
>    5. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Alex Maier)
>    6. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (M?ir?n Duffy)
>    7. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (Alex Maier)
>    8. Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara (M?ir?n Duffy)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:32:15 +0200
> From: Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara
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> Le Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:37:47 +0200,
> "nihed mbarek" <nihedmm at gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> > yes, like my friends i think that is a good job
> > +1 for parrot
> > 
> > 2007/4/7, Nayyar Ahmad <nayyares at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > +1 for parrot. Great work
> > >
> > > On 4/7/07, Juan Rodriguez <nushio at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +1 to the parrot.
> > > > It seems a lot more 'friendly' than an alien, and its less used
> > > > than a Polar Bear or a Dolphin.
> > > >
> 
> 
> Indeed the Parrot is a great mascot for the moment, maybe because it as
> got more love from our designers. But is nobody chocked by the meaning
> it conveys ?
> 
> >From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the
> moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears
> without understanding it makes be much more doubtful.
> 
> Thomas
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:52:38 +0100
> From: Dimitris Glezos <dimitris at glezos.com>
> Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara
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> O/H Thomas Canniot έγÏαÏε:
> > Indeed the Parrot is a great mascot for the moment, maybe because it as
> > got more love from our designers. But is nobody chocked by the meaning
> > it conveys ?
> > 
> >>From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the
> > moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears
> > without understanding it makes be much more doubtful.
> 
> If lots of people, once they looked at the logo, *have* thought "ha, we repeat
> what other people say", then we should reconsider it.  To be honest, I haven't
> thought about it until it was mentioned on the mailing list. Probably because
> not all parrots talk and even then they only repeat words but don't mimic (eg.
> actions).
> 
> I'm sure all of us are open to any other ideas of animals with well-balanced
> images (the penguin is one such example, which obviously, can't be used).
> 
> -d
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:10:44 -0400
> From: Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org>
> Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara
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> On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:32:15AM +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote:
> > From my point of you, the parrot is a very polished mascot for the
> > moment, but the fact it is seen as a dumb animal repeating what he ears
> > without understanding it makes be much more doubtful.
> 
> Yeah, that's sure my first thought too.
> 
> Actually, it's my second thought. My first thought is: we need a mascot?
> What are we, a breakfast cereal?
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:51:28 -0400
> From: M?ir?n Duffy <duffy at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara
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> Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Actually, it's my second thought. My first thought is: we need a mascot?
> > What are we, a breakfast cereal?
> 
> It can't hurt to see what folks who think its a good idea come up with.
> 
> ~m
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> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:58:05 -0400
> From: "Alex Maier" <lxmaier at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara
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> Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to
> kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who
> am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote?
> 
> A stray thought here: why not spend some time brainstorming some cool
> goodies to produce, instead of the old tired t-shirts and caps?
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:01:33 -0400
> From: M?ir?n Duffy <duffy at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara
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> Alex Maier wrote:
> > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to
> > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who
> > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote?
> 
> Linux has tux the penguin
> BSD has chuck the demon guy
> 
> Are Linux and BSD catered towards kindergarteners?
> 
> Has Tux not been successful?
> 
> ~m
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:05:25 -0400
> From: "Alex Maier" <lxmaier at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara
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> On 4/9/07, Máirín Duffy <duffy at redhat.com> wrote:
> > Alex Maier wrote:
> > > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to
> > > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who
> > > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote?
> >
> > Linux has tux the penguin
> > BSD has chuck the demon guy
> 
> Yes as logos, and we have one too, just not one that is easily made in
> form of a cuddly stuffed doll.
> 
> > Are Linux and BSD catered towards kindergarteners?
> 
> I am simply saying that I do not see any reason to add a cuddly mascot
> to our existing brand palette.
> 
> > Has Tux not been successful?
> 
> Very, and this discussion is proof.
> 
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:14:00 -0400
> From: M?ir?n Duffy <duffy at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Mascot - Blue Arrara
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> Alex Maier wrote:
> > On 4/9/07, Máirín Duffy <duffy at redhat.com> wrote:
> >> Alex Maier wrote:
> >> > Well, unless we are seriously considering marketing Fedora to
> >> > kindergarden demographic, I doubt that we need a mascot. But hey, who
> >> > am I to doubt the wisdom of the majority vote?
> >>
> >> Linux has tux the penguin
> >> BSD has chuck the demon guy
> > 
> > Yes as logos, and we have one too, just not one that is easily made in
> > form of a cuddly stuffed doll.
> 
> And herein lies the problem. The licensing/etc issues around the logo 
> have made it such that it can be difficult for community members to 
> actually use it (eg Fedora art team) or even interpretations of it.
> 
> For the community to create something that they made and own would be 
> nice, I think. And it's nice to have something cuddly to give out at 
> conference booths. Maybe I'm silly tho.
> 
> ~m
> 
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