From gelios at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 11:07:11 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:07:11 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: <448999300802010307y18c10ab0tff4bd0f64b7e22c1@mail.gmail.com> Morning! This is my introduction :) My name is Pavel Zhukov, I'm from Russia. I work in RDW-Media (Publishing house) as marketing analyst now. I use linux more than 3 years, including for marketing research tasks. I'm trying to promote Fedora and linux in Russia now, and I will be glad to help fedora community as much as i can. From nayyares at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 11:12:20 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:12:20 +0200 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <448999300802010307y18c10ab0tff4bd0f64b7e22c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <448999300802010307y18c10ab0tff4bd0f64b7e22c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30802010312p77ae1b9dia32cbe67d9f6cd55@mail.gmail.com> Welcome ! On Feb 1, 2008 1:07 PM, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > Morning! This is my introduction :) > > My name is Pavel Zhukov, I'm from Russia. I work in RDW-Media > (Publishing house) as marketing analyst now. > I use linux more than 3 years, including for marketing research tasks. > > I'm trying to promote Fedora and linux in Russia now, and I will be > glad to help fedora community as much as i can. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dawood.s at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 11:36:58 2008 From: dawood.s at gmail.com (Dawood Sangameshwari) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:06:58 +0530 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <448999300802010307y18c10ab0tff4bd0f64b7e22c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <448999300802010307y18c10ab0tff4bd0f64b7e22c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A3045A.2080106@gmail.com> Welcome Pavel!!! Zhukov Pavel wrote: > Morning! This is my introduction :) > > My name is Pavel Zhukov, I'm from Russia. I work in RDW-Media > (Publishing house) as marketing analyst now. > I use linux more than 3 years, including for marketing research tasks. > > I'm trying to promote Fedora and linux in Russia now, and I will be > glad to help fedora community as much as i can. > > From izaac at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 1 15:15:18 2008 From: izaac at fedoraproject.org (Izaac Zavaleta) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:15:18 -0700 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <47A3045A.2080106@gmail.com> References: <448999300802010307y18c10ab0tff4bd0f64b7e22c1@mail.gmail.com> <47A3045A.2080106@gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome to the Team Pavel ! On Feb 1, 2008 4:36 AM, Dawood Sangameshwari wrote: > Welcome Pavel!!! > > > Zhukov Pavel wrote: > > Morning! This is my introduction :) > > > > My name is Pavel Zhukov, I'm from Russia. I work in RDW-Media > > (Publishing house) as marketing analyst now. > > I use linux more than 3 years, including for marketing research tasks. > > > > I'm trying to promote Fedora and linux in Russia now, and I will be > > glad to help fedora community as much as i can. > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Feb 1 23:19:18 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:19:18 -0500 Subject: Vacations Message-ID: <47A3A8F6.4020609@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone! Today begins the carnival here in Brazil! I will be back only after Wednesday! Rodrigo Padula -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHo6j2Pg3HAC1vlg4RAugnAJ4yAoR0i4faKh06w50pwPiGeSwiDQCaAuYR y0emObmcQ7So6w/OSWTCNJY= =sZCC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux at elfshadow.net Fri Feb 1 20:35:07 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:35:07 -0500 Subject: Really cool promo flyers In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801310710o300e706m27c03b3e1e04de0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801310710o300e706m27c03b3e1e04de0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00802011235k1670c7b1w75a0de0f74af77bb@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 31, 2008 10:10 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I found some really cool promo flayers online and would like to share > them with you; > > Does fedora have something similar ? There is a Resources section in the Fedora Marketing area of the wiki here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#head-78316ed3c642a568dd45861bd06fb66cbac148a2 There are a few links for a poster, web banner, flyer, etc there. We can always use more though that are easy for people to download and take to their local printer to produce for events or just carry around in a computer bag. --Jeffrey From david at lovesunix.net Fri Feb 1 21:06:58 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:06:58 +0100 Subject: Vacations In-Reply-To: <47A3A8F6.4020609@projetofedora.org> References: <47A3A8F6.4020609@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1201900018.28619.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> fre, 01 02 2008 kl. 18:19 -0500, skrev Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hello everyone! > > Today begins the carnival here in Brazil! > > I will be back only after Wednesday! > > Rodrigo Padula Thou shallth obey the 11th commandment and edit thine Vacation wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vacation - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am learning to use JOOMLA for my LinuxGlobe web site, I hope I can help others with JOOMLA too! My e-mail is hudsonman35 at gmail.com. Onward & forward! Markus McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 07:37:36 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:37:36 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction : Markus McLaughlin (linuxglobe.wordpress.com) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802012337w61df326en7019d63733e1e349@mail.gmail.com> Markus: Welcome, although you're no stranger here and I've read your emails with interest. So, welcome to Marketing! Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Feb 2 22:50:32 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:50:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? Message-ID: Alpha's about out, whats our marketing plan for Fedora 9? How can people help out? :: cough cough :: http://digg.com/linux_unix/First_Look_Ubuntu_8_04_Hardy_Heron_alpha_4 -Mike From kanarip at kanarip.com Sat Feb 2 23:29:43 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:29:43 +0100 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> Mike McGrath wrote: > Alpha's about out, whats our marketing plan for Fedora 9? How can people > help out? > > :: cough cough :: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/First_Look_Ubuntu_8_04_Hardy_Heron_alpha_4 > Good to hear PulseAudio made it into a major distribution ;-) We oughta send them a huge, big thank you for appreciating PolicyKit so much, too. -Jeroen From jonstanley at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 23:52:26 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:52:26 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately, I'm not @redhat.com and don't have access to the Alpha bits quite yet. What I do have, though, is the rawhide bits, and I am currently running through an install in VMWare to highlight some of the important installer features, such as the ability to setup proxies for a network install, the presence of encrypted partitions by default (thus strengthening our security stance), and probably some other things. I'll write about this on my blog, the caveat there being that this was done off a newer tree than alpha. I'll probably hit on FF3 and KDE4 as well (though I don't know anything about KDE3, let alone KDE4 :) ). On Feb 2, 2008 5:50 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > Alpha's about out, whats our marketing plan for Fedora 9? How can people > help out? > > :: cough cough :: > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/First_Look_Ubuntu_8_04_Hardy_Heron_alpha_4 > > -Mike > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Jon Stanley Fedora Bug Wrangler jstanley at fedoraproject.org From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sat Feb 2 23:55:22 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:55:22 +0900 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:52 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > Unfortunately, I'm not @redhat.com and don't have access to the Alpha > bits quite yet. What I do have, though, is the rawhide bits, and I am > currently running through an install in VMWare to highlight some of > the important installer features, such as the ability to setup proxies > for a network install, the presence of encrypted partitions by default > (thus strengthening our security stance), and probably some other > things. I'll write about this on my blog, the caveat there being that > this was done off a newer tree than alpha. > > I'll probably hit on FF3 and KDE4 as well (though I don't know > anything about KDE3, let alone KDE4 :) ). > KDE 4 is still a bit buggy but it looks really really nice. I believe Fedora will have KDE4.0.x so that will be a big plus. Cheers, Marc From gelios at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 23:59:00 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 02:59:00 +0300 Subject: Marketing Idea Message-ID: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> One of the major reasons of ubuntu success it's free cd-shipping (especially in Russia, where many people have no fast/unlimited Internet access). So I'm start to thinking about something like "Fedora Exchange" project. It can be system that can help people to find nearest fedora-user who can copy install-media/packages/local-repositories. It also can help people to find nearest linux/feodra gurus for help :) From gelios at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 23:59:46 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 02:59:46 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 3, 2008 2:55 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:52 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > > Unfortunately, I'm not @redhat.com and don't have access to the Alpha > > bits quite yet. What I do have, though, is the rawhide bits, and I am > > currently running through an install in VMWare to highlight some of > > the important installer features, such as the ability to setup proxies > > for a network install, the presence of encrypted partitions by default > > (thus strengthening our security stance), and probably some other > > things. I'll write about this on my blog, the caveat there being that > > this was done off a newer tree than alpha. > > > > I'll probably hit on FF3 and KDE4 as well (though I don't know > > anything about KDE3, let alone KDE4 :) ). > > > KDE 4 is still a bit buggy but it looks really really nice. I believe > Fedora will have KDE4.0.x so that will be a big plus. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > KDE 4.0.1 already in rawhide AFAIK. From jonstanley at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 00:05:21 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:05:21 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2008 6:59 PM, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > KDE 4.0.1 already in rawhide AFAIK. Yep, kdebase-4.0.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm is in the tree that I'm installing from. That's something of a major change, right? Should I point that out if I show KDE stuff? Or is the "these bits are newer than alpha" disclaimer good enough? From gelios at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 00:11:21 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 03:11:21 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <448999300802021611r6dd1dfedw3de8a208d6acdb2f@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 3, 2008 3:05 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008 6:59 PM, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > > > KDE 4.0.1 already in rawhide AFAIK. > > Yep, kdebase-4.0.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm is in the tree that I'm installing > from. That's something of a major change, right? Should I point that > out if I show KDE stuff? Or is the "these bits are newer than alpha" > disclaimer good enough? > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > yes 4.0.1 contain a lot of fixes and improvements. but f9 will have 4.0.2 or even 4.0.3, so we can talk about it as about "will be highly improved" From jonstanley at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 00:12:47 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:12:47 -0500 Subject: Marketing Idea In-Reply-To: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> References: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The FreeMedia program already exists - but it's completely volunteer based. Last month, the first month that I participated in the program, we got around 700 requests in a 2-day period where we were accepting requests for the month. The problem that we have is a lack of resources to ship out these DVD's for free. I restrict myself to the US, and even that costs me $1.31 per DVD to ship via first class mail, in addition to the cost of the media itself, and the padded mailers that I use ($1+ apiece). Such a program is not cheap, and I'm not sure how Ubuntu sustains it (unless it;s similar to ours, where we will send out the first 200 requests in a month or so). On Feb 2, 2008 6:59 PM, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > One of the major reasons of ubuntu success it's free cd-shipping > (especially in Russia, where many people have no fast/unlimited > Internet access). So I'm start to thinking about something like > "Fedora Exchange" project. It can be system that can help people to > find nearest fedora-user who can copy > install-media/packages/local-repositories. > > It also can help people to find nearest linux/feodra gurus for help :) > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Jon Stanley Fedora Bug Wrangler jstanley at fedoraproject.org From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Feb 3 00:13:58 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:13:58 +0900 Subject: Marketing Idea In-Reply-To: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> References: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201997638.2669.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 02:59 +0300, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > One of the major reasons of ubuntu success it's free cd-shipping > (especially in Russia, where many people have no fast/unlimited > Internet access). So I'm start to thinking about something like > "Fedora Exchange" project. It can be system that can help people to > find nearest fedora-user who can copy > install-media/packages/local-repositories. > > It also can help people to find nearest linux/feodra gurus for help :) > Do you mean something like the freemedia program. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia?highlight=% 28freemedia%29 It's done by volunteers such as tchung, me and a heap of others we all try and get as many pieces of media out but it's still limited. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Feb 3 00:15:29 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:15:29 +0900 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201997729.2669.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 19:05 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008 6:59 PM, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > > > KDE 4.0.1 already in rawhide AFAIK. > > Yep, kdebase-4.0.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm is in the tree that I'm installing > from. That's something of a major change, right? Should I point that > out if I show KDE stuff? Or is the "these bits are newer than alpha" > disclaimer good enough? > If it is basically it's kde4 with lots of bug fixes. When I last used KDE it was 4 so it was pretty buggy. 4.0.1 is a bug fix release on 4 so there are no new bits just bug fixes. Quite important. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Feb 3 00:18:51 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:18:51 +0900 Subject: Marketing Idea In-Reply-To: References: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201997931.2669.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 19:12 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > The FreeMedia program already exists - but it's completely volunteer > based. Last month, the first month that I participated in the > program, we got around 700 requests in a 2-day period where we were > accepting requests for the month. > > The problem that we have is a lack of resources to ship out these > DVD's for free. I restrict myself to the US, and even that costs me > $1.31 per DVD to ship via first class mail, in addition to the cost of > the media itself, and the padded mailers that I use ($1+ apiece). > > Such a program is not cheap, and I'm not sure how Ubuntu sustains it > (unless it;s similar to ours, where we will send out the first 200 > requests in a month or so). It's done volume based because the cd's are not that expensive. As an example for me a dvd will cost $0.50 AUD shipping it will cost me $0.50 AUD locally anywhere in Australia. The most expensive is the special envelopes which are made for cd/dvd's which cost $1.00 each. Karlie will be able to explain more about volume since she is involved with the sponsored media aspect of freemedia. Cheers, Marc From gelios at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 00:20:44 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 03:20:44 +0300 Subject: Marketing Idea In-Reply-To: <1201997638.2669.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> <1201997638.2669.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <448999300802021620u6f10e7beu45b4dfc970926eb1@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 3, 2008 3:13 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 02:59 +0300, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > > One of the major reasons of ubuntu success it's free cd-shipping > > (especially in Russia, where many people have no fast/unlimited > > Internet access). So I'm start to thinking about something like > > "Fedora Exchange" project. It can be system that can help people to > > find nearest fedora-user who can copy > > install-media/packages/local-repositories. > > > > It also can help people to find nearest linux/feodra gurus for help :) > > > > Do you mean something like the freemedia program. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia?highlight=% > 28freemedia%29 > > It's done by volunteers such as tchung, me and a heap of others we all > try and get as many pieces of media out but it's still limited. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > -- No. I mean something like a global map, where people can post their locations. For example, i have f8 media and live in Russia. People from my city can have no fast/unlim lines so they can go to "Fedora exchange" page, locate our city and just get copies from me. From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Feb 3 00:26:09 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:26:09 +0900 Subject: Marketing Idea In-Reply-To: <448999300802021620u6f10e7beu45b4dfc970926eb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> <1201997638.2669.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021620u6f10e7beu45b4dfc970926eb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201998369.2669.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 03:20 +0300, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > On Feb 3, 2008 3:13 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 02:59 +0300, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > > > One of the major reasons of ubuntu success it's free cd-shipping > > > (especially in Russia, where many people have no fast/unlimited > > > Internet access). So I'm start to thinking about something like > > > "Fedora Exchange" project. It can be system that can help people to > > > find nearest fedora-user who can copy > > > install-media/packages/local-repositories. > > > > > > It also can help people to find nearest linux/feodra gurus for help :) > > > > > > > Do you mean something like the freemedia program. > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia?highlight=% > > 28freemedia%29 > > > > It's done by volunteers such as tchung, me and a heap of others we all > > try and get as many pieces of media out but it's still limited. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > -- > > No. I mean something like a global map, where people can post their locations. > > For example, i have f8 media and live in Russia. People from my city > can have no fast/unlim lines so they can go to "Fedora exchange" page, > locate our city and just get copies from me. > It's the same thing. The only difference is that you are mailing it. I understand what you are saying, but we would need a significant amount of people to carry this out. At the moment we do not have this amount of people, we do the best we can. If you wanted to help people in Russia just accept requests from Russia. I do that in Australia where I will mail only people in Australia and because of that it works out easier for everyone else. The biggest number at the moment is from the USA so really if we had another 3-4 people in the USA distributing Fedora that would lighten the load. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Feb 3 00:29:50 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:29:50 +0900 Subject: Marketing Idea In-Reply-To: <1201998369.2669.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> <1201997638.2669.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021620u6f10e7beu45b4dfc970926eb1@mail.gmail.com> <1201998369.2669.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1201998590.2669.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 09:26 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 03:20 +0300, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2008 3:13 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 02:59 +0300, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > > > > One of the major reasons of ubuntu success it's free cd-shipping > > > > (especially in Russia, where many people have no fast/unlimited > > > > Internet access). So I'm start to thinking about something like > > > > "Fedora Exchange" project. It can be system that can help people to > > > > find nearest fedora-user who can copy > > > > install-media/packages/local-repositories. > > > > > > > > It also can help people to find nearest linux/feodra gurus for help :) > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean something like the freemedia program. > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia?highlight=% > > > 28freemedia%29 > > > > > > It's done by volunteers such as tchung, me and a heap of others we all > > > try and get as many pieces of media out but it's still limited. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > -- > > > > No. I mean something like a global map, where people can post their locations. > > > > For example, i have f8 media and live in Russia. People from my city > > can have no fast/unlim lines so they can go to "Fedora exchange" page, > > locate our city and just get copies from me. > > > > It's the same thing. The only difference is that you are mailing it. > > I understand what you are saying, but we would need a significant amount > of people to carry this out. At the moment we do not have this amount of > people, we do the best we can. > > If you wanted to help people in Russia just accept requests from Russia. > I do that in Australia where I will mail only people in Australia and > because of that it works out easier for everyone else. > > The biggest number at the moment is from the USA so really if we had > another 3-4 people in the USA distributing Fedora that would lighten the > load. > > Cheers, > > Marc > India needs help as well. There used to be a few people but for some reason thats dropped off which is disappointing. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India Cheers, Marc From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun Feb 3 01:00:34 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:00:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <448999300802021611r6dd1dfedw3de8a208d6acdb2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802021611r6dd1dfedw3de8a208d6acdb2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Feb 2008, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > On Feb 3, 2008 3:05 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2008 6:59 PM, Zhukov Pavel wrote: > > > > > KDE 4.0.1 already in rawhide AFAIK. > > > > Yep, kdebase-4.0.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm is in the tree that I'm installing > > from. That's something of a major change, right? Should I point that > > out if I show KDE stuff? Or is the "these bits are newer than alpha" > > disclaimer good enough? > > > > -- > > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > yes 4.0.1 contain a lot of fixes and improvements. but f9 will have > 4.0.2 or even 4.0.3, so we can talk about it as about "will be highly > improved" > I was wondering not only about what we're going to say but how we're going to say it. How are we going to get people to know about the features in our alpha? -Mike From rtlm10 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 04:31:52 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:31:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 2, 2008 6:29 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: > > :: cough cough :: > > > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/First_Look_Ubuntu_8_04_Hardy_Heron_alpha_4 > > > > Good to hear PulseAudio made it into a major distribution ;-) > > We oughta send them a huge, big thank you for appreciating PolicyKit so > much, too. Wow you aren't kidding. Most of the stuff they're talking about in that article is right here on my Fedora 8 laptop. I sort of suspected that Fedora took back the lead somewhere around F7. This sort of proves it to me. Russell -- Russell Harrison Systems Administrator -- Linux Desktops Cisco Systems, Inc. Note: The positions or opinions expressed in this email are my own. They are not necessarily those of my employer. From david at lovesunix.net Sun Feb 3 06:07:23 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:07:23 +0100 Subject: Marketing Idea In-Reply-To: References: <448999300802021559x1131d700v3af149ab6f74203@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202018843.2777.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> l?r, 02 02 2008 kl. 19:12 -0500, skrev Jon Stanley: > Such a program is not cheap, and I'm not sure how Ubuntu sustains it > (unless it;s similar to ours, where we will send out the first 200 > requests in a month or so). Since Canonical invests only a pitiful amount of money on upstream development the largest expense is their ship-it free media program. They currently sustain it by sheer virtue of Mr. Shuttleworth having very deep pockets, nothing else. Eventually they might make enough money on support and customized Ubuntu work to pay for the program but currently it's written up as pure expense - it's a valuable marketing push though. I personally send out DVDs to a number of schools in India and Iran, not as part of the free media network though. I can't financially handle the burden of shipping more than say 50 DVDs out twice a year so I don't participate in the official program instead I send to people I already have build a relationship with. That way I know I'm not getting exploited by people who have bandwidth and burning facilities capable of doing it themselves. I'm after all doing this to provide a much needed upgrade to people who are limited in their options. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Dette er en digitalt underskrevet brevdel URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Feb 3 10:06:50 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:06:50 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? Message-ID: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> > I was wondering not only about what we're going to say but how we're going > to say it. How are we going to get people to know about the features in > our alpha? I agree we need to figure this out. The alpha is due out on Tuesday isn't it? Perhaps we could put together a brief release summary for the alpha - I know it's hardly anything revolutionary but it is perhaps fairly effective (provided we can be vocal enough about it!) in the intermediate before people get back to us about more effective and longer term plans for Fedora Marketing. I'm guessing it should have a rundown of the features (obviously), perhaps with screenshots, all linking out to the relevant feature pages. Wouldn't hurt either to have instructions on how to grab one of the alpha live cd for testing; neither would it hurt if we could list the most annoying bugs in the alpha to make it clear we're aware of them and that they're being worked on. The other thing I think it should probably have is reference material back to Fedora 8: maybe it's name dropping but to simply mention "building on the successful implementation of PulseAudio in Fedora 8..." might be useful. Then we'd have a central location to point people towards, and by point I mean we're going to need to be vocal about this! Targeting journalists, perhaps Red Hat could help us out with a press release pointing at this document? And then we *all* need to submit to lots of the free software press... What do people think? Worthwhile or a waste of time? Any other ideas? If this is a worthwhile direction to go in I'm pretty much caught up on work for the rest of today and tomorrow so I can probably throw something together in time for the release - and then we should start thinking about the beta! Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Feb 3 11:30:42 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:30:42 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I didn't exactly leave a lot of time for people to reply to my previous message but got distracted from the reading I was meant to be doing this morning and instead started this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9AlphaNotes It's by no means perfect, but it might be useful. I chose a completely arbitrary 5 features to stick under highlights, so they probably need changing. In fact, probably all the content needs changing or the idea disregarding entirely but it kept me entertained for a while :) I'll leave it there until I hear whether people think this is a worthwhile direction or not... Best wishes, Jon From rtlm10 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 16:49:06 2008 From: rtlm10 at gmail.com (Russell Harrison) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:49:06 -0500 Subject: Really cool promo flyers In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801310710o300e706m27c03b3e1e04de0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801310710o300e706m27c03b3e1e04de0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ed4a0130802030849u229467dcs73b3ad1b99eca3a2@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 31, 2008 10:10 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I found some really cool promo flayers online and would like to share > them with you; > > http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Freedomofchoice.jpg > http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Linuxgivesyouthehouse.jpg > http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Computewithnature.jpg One of the things I'm learning in my sales classes right now is that you never lead on price. If you start out with a number too low you'll give the impression your product is of a lesser quality. Instead you should be working to make the customer want the product first, then talk price. In the case of Linux after you've made them really want it, they'll be shocked to hear its free. Doing things in the reverse order (which we all do) gives them the impression starting out its of a lesser quality and you're starting out behind. That's one of the reasons I like the Computewithnature.jpg best. It highlights a solid benefit to the user and doesn't focus on price as much. Russell -- Russell Harrison Systems Administrator -- Linux Desktops Cisco Systems, Inc. Note: The positions or opinions expressed in this email are my own. They are not necessarily those of my employer. From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 3 17:02:03 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:02:03 +0100 Subject: Really cool promo flyers In-Reply-To: <1ed4a0130802030849u229467dcs73b3ad1b99eca3a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801310710o300e706m27c03b3e1e04de0f@mail.gmail.com> <1ed4a0130802030849u229467dcs73b3ad1b99eca3a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/2/3, Russell Harrison : > > http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Linuxgivesyouthehouse.jpg That's really cool :) Francesco From gelios at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 20:09:05 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 23:09:05 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <448999300802031209g42394d31taa9c66afe6de4dea@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 3, 2008 2:30 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I didn't exactly leave a lot of time for people to reply to my > previous message but got distracted from the reading I was meant to be > doing this morning and instead started this: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9AlphaNotes > > It's by no means perfect, but it might be useful. I chose a completely > arbitrary 5 features to stick under highlights, so they probably need > changing. In fact, probably all the content needs changing or the idea > disregarding entirely but it kept me entertained for a while :) > > I'll leave it there until I hear whether people think this is a > worthwhile direction or not... > > Best wishes, > > Jon > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > IMO ext4 support should be highlighted From ayrton at projetofedora.org Mon Feb 4 04:18:57 2008 From: ayrton at projetofedora.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayrton_Ara=C3=BAjo_Queiroz_J=C3=BAnior?=) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 02:18:57 -0200 Subject: Self-Introduction : Markus McLaughlin (linuxglobe.wordpress.com) In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802012337w61df326en7019d63733e1e349@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0802012337w61df326en7019d63733e1e349@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20a82c720802032018o1cc23209uce0974080d14ce3e@mail.gmail.com> Welcome Markus ;-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 10:22:14 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:22:14 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <448999300802031209g42394d31taa9c66afe6de4dea@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802031209g42394d31taa9c66afe6de4dea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802040222j78671bcfw89e64aff501e7f66@mail.gmail.com> OK, I still haven't heard anything back from people about whether this was a good idea or not but I'm pretty sure Alpha is out tomorrow so I figured I'd finish it - at least the text content - so that we definitely have something ready to point people to about Alpha. If people had other things in mind - or just thought this was unnecessary and don't think we should use it - it would have been good for somebody to drop a note letting us know about this a little earlier! I might make a few more changes, and I don't have a rawhide system at the minute to take screenshots with so if somebody else would like to add them that would be cool. As always, any and all feedback would be welcome :) Oh, and I haven't added ext4 information, no particular reason because this is an entirely arbitrary list! It is a cool feature...maybe we can list it for the beta and get an interview out about it in between now and then. Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 4 10:38:46 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:08:46 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802040222j78671bcfw89e64aff501e7f66@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802031209g42394d31taa9c66afe6de4dea@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802040222j78671bcfw89e64aff501e7f66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A6EB36.8070001@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > OK, I still haven't heard anything back from people about whether this > was a good idea or not but I'm pretty sure Alpha is out tomorrow so I > figured I'd finish it - at least the text content - so that we > definitely have something ready to point people to about Alpha. > > If people had other things in mind - or just thought this was > unnecessary and don't think we should use it - it would have been good > for somebody to drop a note letting us know about this a little > earlier! I might make a few more changes, and I don't have a rawhide > system at the minute to take screenshots with so if somebody else > would like to add them that would be cool. > > As always, any and all feedback would be welcome :) I did post to this list, the alpha release notes link at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes The Pre-upgrade feature is noet yet complete for the alpha and we probably shouldn't mentioned it yet other than point to the generic feature list which mentions the plans for the general release. I wouldn't make any promises about Presto either. Maybe encouraging it's use would be useful for feedback. Other than that, you can merge the content of these two pages together. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 10:34:24 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:34:24 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A6EB36.8070001@fedoraproject.org> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802031209g42394d31taa9c66afe6de4dea@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802040222j78671bcfw89e64aff501e7f66@mail.gmail.com> <47A6EB36.8070001@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802040234r759355e8yaee4b3b0c8e1cc97@mail.gmail.com> > I did post to this list, the alpha release notes link at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes Ah cheers Rahul, I must have missed that but I'll take a look now and see about merging what I can :) Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Feb 4 10:40:28 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:40:28 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802040222j78671bcfw89e64aff501e7f66@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802031209g42394d31taa9c66afe6de4dea@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802040222j78671bcfw89e64aff501e7f66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A6EB9C.4010304@nicubunu.ro> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > OK, I still haven't heard anything back from people about whether this > was a good idea or not but I'm pretty sure Alpha is out tomorrow so I > figured I'd finish it - at least the text content - so that we > definitely have something ready to point people to about Alpha. Of course it is a good thing. But I think the list is a bit short, would leave the [wrong] impression F9 has very few worthy new features. You should add some items even if they are super-obvious, like Firefox 3 with XulRunner. And some pretty pictures would not hurt at all (sorry, I am on F8, can't help with Rawhide screenshots) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 10:48:27 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:48:27 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A6EB9C.4010304@nicubunu.ro> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802031209g42394d31taa9c66afe6de4dea@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802040222j78671bcfw89e64aff501e7f66@mail.gmail.com> <47A6EB9C.4010304@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802040248o32f48c29u20b3f5e1b42aef28@mail.gmail.com> On 04/02/2008, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > OK, I still haven't heard anything back from people about whether this > > was a good idea or not but I'm pretty sure Alpha is out tomorrow so I > > figured I'd finish it - at least the text content - so that we > > definitely have something ready to point people to about Alpha. > > Of course it is a good thing. But I think the list is a bit short, would > leave the [wrong] impression F9 has very few worthy new features. > You should add some items even if they are super-obvious, like Firefox 3 > with XulRunner. Agreed - the release summary Rahul just posted definitely provides information about more features which is a great thing, and merging would seem the sensible idea inline with the the work discussed on Docs and here lately. I could use some help with the merge though, as I see the two documents to serve two different purposes. I wrote the one I did with the explicit intention of it being brief and easily "scannable" by press and lay press a-like; the release notes, on the other hand, seem to provide more information relevant to users and contributors of Fedora and is certainly busier, perhaps leaving more work for press people to do to find the information they need. What do people think about this? Any suggestions? Do we even need a briefer summary for the Alpha release? Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 12:31:25 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:31:25 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802040248o32f48c29u20b3f5e1b42aef28@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A4FCE7.2000402@kanarip.com> <1ed4a0130802022031j36e3eb06xfc5ec5ea37faf9ba@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802030330u71946dd1i89d83ae42f620326@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802031209g42394d31taa9c66afe6de4dea@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0802040222j78671bcfw89e64aff501e7f66@mail.gmail.com> <47A6EB9C.4010304@nicubunu.ro> <3263b11b0802040248o32f48c29u20b3f5e1b42aef28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802040431h2a02c5c6t3f80e6b9b7bea3b2@mail.gmail.com> Ok, I'm working on integrating the two now and I think it's going quite nicely so far - best of both worlds :) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9AlphaNotes Best wishes, Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 13:53:45 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:53:45 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Notes WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? Message-ID: <3263b11b0802040553vfba780du8bbe27c2f766bf61@mail.gmail.com> Right, I think I've finished doing all the integration I can face right now between those two documents. Karsten, I've tried to restyle it a bit to your proposal for the "One summary to rule them all" idea and I've tidied up the language where possible. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9AlphaNotes At the minute it's very text heavy, some screenshots from people running rawhide would be very cool. Also, I think the following sections probably still need work: "Applications" - It might be good to either expand on what's new in Firefox 3 or to find some more applications that we'd like to draw attention to upgrades? "Anaconda Installer Improvements" - perhaps somebody who knows more than I do could explain why people should care about these? Basically, I'd like to find some friendlier language to describe these improvements... "Kernel" - Same as Anaconda really, any chance we can make this friendlier? The other thing I think we could do with is a consistent way to link to both feature pages and upstream pages so readers can easily find more info. OK, besides that I'm quite happy with the shape it's in, but I don't know what other people think? Best wishes, Jon From kcatallo at redhat.com Mon Feb 4 15:32:08 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:32:08 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> Jon- > Then we'd have a central location to point people towards, and by > point I mean we're going to need to be vocal about this! Targeting > journalists, perhaps Red Hat could help us out with a press release > pointing at this document? And then we *all* need to submit to lots of > the free software press.. This would be a great oppty for a blog posting on www.press.redhat.com, Red Hat's corporate communications blog. We've posted a number of "Fedora Team" blogs in the past that Max has helped us put together: http://www.press.redhat.com/category/fedora/. We use this site to give our press contacts more information about what's going on within Red Hat when a press release isn't the right medium of communication. I can put together a draft of the blog from the Alpha release notes link you've sent, and will then send around for feedback/edits. We can post it this week once we've finalized the content. What do you think? thanks, Kerri From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 15:37:42 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:37:42 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> > This would be a great oppty for a blog posting on www.press.redhat.com, > Red Hat's corporate communications blog. We've posted a number of > "Fedora Team" blogs in the past that Max has helped us put together: > http://www.press.redhat.com/category/fedora/. We use this site to give > our press contacts more information about what's going on within Red Hat > when a press release isn't the right medium of communication. I can put > together a draft of the blog from the Alpha release notes link you've > sent, and will then send around for feedback/edits. We can post it this > week once we've finalized the content. What do you think? Yeah that sounds awesome and would be much appreciated :) Looking forward to seeing it... Jon > > thanks, > Kerri > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 15:51:39 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:51:39 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802040751k7183378cp28b6c40610852388@mail.gmail.com> I've just dropped my merged version on to /Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes I hope this is OK - I hear you can always revert back if not! I forgot to comment on the change so sending this e-mail instead. Also, I've tweaked the screenshots Rahul put up so they're all equal sizes and fit in the page a little easier... Jon From kcatallo at redhat.com Mon Feb 4 22:58:10 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:58:10 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> This would be a great oppty for a blog posting on www.press.redhat.com, >> Red Hat's corporate communications blog. We've posted a number of >> "Fedora Team" blogs in the past that Max has helped us put together: >> http://www.press.redhat.com/category/fedora/. We use this site to give >> our press contacts more information about what's going on within Red Hat >> when a press release isn't the right medium of communication. I can put >> together a draft of the blog from the Alpha release notes link you've >> sent, and will then send around for feedback/edits. We can post it this >> week once we've finalized the content. What do you think? >> > > Yeah that sounds awesome and would be much appreciated :) > > Looking forward to seeing it... > > Jon > Here is a quick first draft of the blog. Anyone is welcome to add in edits or more details. --------------------------------- Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available by Fedora Team As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, the most exciting part of the development process of new Fedora distributions is determining which cool, new features will be included in the next release. Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started making plans for it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. We?ve already begun to examine which changes and features we want included in this release, and with the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, it?s time for the whole community?s input. During each Fedora cycle, we have an Alpha release that gives everyone the opportunity to provide feedback on what what work has been done so far. It?s the first time that the larger Fedora community can get really involved in testing out the new features and is given the opportunity provide input on what?s working, and what?s not. It?s easy to gain access to the Alpha release because you don?t have to install any software -- everything you need is provided through live CDs. Then, to give us feedback, you can file bug reports and enhancement requests and make other recommendations. If you want to help us test and shape the next release of Fedora, you can find details about the new features we?re exploring, about how to get involved in the Alpha release and about how to provide feedback and get involved in the process by visiting our Fedora 9 Alpha release notes. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9AlphaNotes#head-c480b9125014073c1b4dd172963f6b9f9c864f0d) --------------------------------- thanks, Kerri From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 23:23:55 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:23:55 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802041523j56b8353du948dc303499fb21a@mail.gmail.com> Here's my take, I've only made a few tiny changes and altered the tone a bit in places to reflect the fact that it's quite possible for anybody to try Fedora development versions at anytime, it's just that the Alpha release provides a *slightly* more sanitised environment for developers and users to get involved. Also, although Alpha is still going to be pretty rough I think (developers might disagree) that we're right to promote it to the wider community for testing as the live cds make this quite safe to do! Oh, and I updated the release notes link... Thanks for your work - looking forward to seeing this all go up tomorrow :) ------------------- Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available by Fedora Team As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, one of the most exciting parts of the development process of new Fedora distributions is determining which cool, new features will be included in the next release. Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started making plans for it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. We've already begun to implement the changes and features we want included in this release, and with the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, it's time for the whole community's input. During each Fedora cycle, we have an Alpha release that gives everyone the opportunity to provide feedback on the work that has been done so far. It's the first time that the larger Fedora community can get really involved in testing out the new features and is encouraged to provide input on what's working, and what's not. It's easy to gain access to the Alpha release because you don't have to install any software -- everything you need is provided through live CDs. Then, to give us feedback, you can file bug reports and enhancement requests and make other recommendations. If you want to help us test and shape the next release of Fedora, you can find details about the new features we're exploring, about how to get involved in the Alpha release and about how to provide feedback and get involved in the process by visiting our Fedora 9 Alpha release notes. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes) From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 01:23:02 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:23:02 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47A7BA76.3040209@redhat.com> Kerrin Catallozzi said the following on 02/04/2008 02:58 PM Pacific Time: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: >>> This would be a great oppty for a blog posting on www.press.redhat.com, >>> Red Hat's corporate communications blog. We've posted a number of >>> "Fedora Team" blogs in the past that Max has helped us put together: >>> http://www.press.redhat.com/category/fedora/. We use this site to give >>> our press contacts more information about what's going on within Red Hat >>> when a press release isn't the right medium of communication. I can put >>> together a draft of the blog from the Alpha release notes link you've >>> sent, and will then send around for feedback/edits. We can post it this >>> week once we've finalized the content. What do you think? >>> >> >> Yeah that sounds awesome and would be much appreciated :) >> >> Looking forward to seeing it... >> >> Jon >> > Here is a quick first draft of the blog. Anyone is welcome to add in > edits or more details. > --------------------------------- > Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available > by Fedora Team > > As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, the most exciting > part of the development process of new Fedora distributions is > determining which cool, new features will be included in the next > release. Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started > making plans for it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. > We?ve already begun to examine which changes and features we want > included in this release, and with the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, > it?s time for the whole community?s input. > > During each Fedora cycle, we have an Alpha release that gives everyone This is a great start. Note, however, that the "Alpha release" is only the beginning of the testing cycle which has a primary focus of making sure the distro installs and runs. There will also be a beta release and a series of weekly snapshot releases. More information can be found on the release engineering schedule: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html From kcatallo at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 14:49:47 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:49:47 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A7BA76.3040209@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> <47A7BA76.3040209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> John Poelstra wrote: > Kerrin Catallozzi said the following on 02/04/2008 02:58 PM Pacific Time: >> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >>>> This would be a great oppty for a blog posting on >>>> www.press.redhat.com, >>>> Red Hat's corporate communications blog. We've posted a number of >>>> "Fedora Team" blogs in the past that Max has helped us put together: >>>> http://www.press.redhat.com/category/fedora/. We use this site to >>>> give >>>> our press contacts more information about what's going on within >>>> Red Hat >>>> when a press release isn't the right medium of communication. I >>>> can put >>>> together a draft of the blog from the Alpha release notes link you've >>>> sent, and will then send around for feedback/edits. We can post it >>>> this >>>> week once we've finalized the content. What do you think? >>>> >>> >>> Yeah that sounds awesome and would be much appreciated :) >>> >>> Looking forward to seeing it... >>> >>> Jon >>> >> Here is a quick first draft of the blog. Anyone is welcome to add in >> edits or more details. >> --------------------------------- >> Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available >> by Fedora Team >> >> As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, the most >> exciting part of the development process of new Fedora distributions >> is determining which cool, new features will be included in the next >> release. Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started >> making plans for it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. >> We?ve already begun to examine which changes and features we want >> included in this release, and with the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, >> it?s time for the whole community?s input. >> >> During each Fedora cycle, we have an Alpha release that gives everyone > > This is a great start. Note, however, that the "Alpha release" is > only the beginning of the testing cycle which has a primary focus of > making sure the distro installs and runs. > > There will also be a beta release and a series of weekly snapshot > releases. More information can be found on the release engineering > schedule: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html > Here's the latest version with all of the suggestions incorporated. Would be great to have any final input by about 12pm ET so that we can get this posted today. ------------------- Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available by Fedora Team As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, one of the most exciting parts of the development process of new Fedora distributions is determining which cool, new features will be included in the next release. Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started making plans for it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. We've already begun to implement the changes and features we want included in this release, and with the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, it's time for the whole community's input. During each Fedora cycle, there is an Alpha release, a Beta release and a series of weekly snapshot releases. (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html) The Alpha release gives everyone the opportunity to provide feedback on the work that has been done so far as the first step in the testing cycle. It's the first time that the larger Fedora community can get really involved in testing out the new features and is encouraged to provide input on what's working, and what's not. It's easy to gain access to the Alpha release because you don't have to install any software -- everything you need is provided through live CDs. Then, to give us feedback, you can file bug reports and enhancement requests and make other recommendations. If you want to help us test and shape the next release of Fedora, you can find details about the new features we're exploring, about how to get involved in the Alpha release and about how to provide feedback and get involved in the process by visiting our Fedora 9 Alpha release notes. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes) -- thanks, Kerri From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 15:17:43 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:17:43 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> <47A7BA76.3040209@redhat.com> <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2008 9:49 AM, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html) > The Alpha release gives everyone the opportunity to provide feedback on > the work that has been done so far as the first step in the testing I dunno that we wanna overwhelm with the whole project plan (even though John's done a great job on it!). Maybe a pointer at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule which contains major milestones (and a link to the complete plan) would be more appropriate. From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 15:28:04 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:28:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> <47A7BA76.3040209@redhat.com> <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: Minor things, one of which is we might want to mention "sulphur", our codename: > Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available > by Fedora Team > > As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, one of the most just http://fedoraproject.org/ > exciting parts of the development process of new Fedora distributions is > determining which cool, new features will be included in the next release. > Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started making plans for > it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. We've already begun to > implement the changes and features we want included in this release, and with > the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, it's time for the whole community's input. > > During each Fedora cycle, there is an Alpha release, a Beta release and a > series of weekly snapshot releases. > (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html) The > Alpha release gives everyone the opportunity to provide feedback on the work > that has been done so far as the first step in the testing cycle. It's the > first time that the larger Fedora community can get really involved in testing > out the new features and is encouraged to provide input on what's working, and > what's not. It's easy to gain access to the Alpha release because you don't > have to install any software -- everything you need is provided through live > CDs. Then, to give us feedback, you can file bug reports and enhancement > requests and make other recommendations. > > If you want to help us test and shape the next release of Fedora, you can find > details about the new features we're exploring, about how to get involved in > the Alpha release and about how to provide feedback and get involved in the > process by visiting our Fedora 9 Alpha release notes. > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes) We might also want to tell people how to get it at http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease (not up yet but will be shortly). -Mike From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 16:07:07 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:07:07 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802021611r6dd1dfedw3de8a208d6acdb2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202227627.10079.91.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 19:00 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > I was wondering not only about what we're going to say but how we're > going > to say it. How are we going to get people to know about the features > in > our alpha? +1 That is the crux of the subject of this thread. We are working on a plan, yes, and it has already missed the first deadline. Unfortunately, when setting the schedule for the marketing plan, we focused on the final release. This is typical thinking that applies to RHEL, for example, where we do not advertise the beta/release candidates. Jon - perhaps you want to turn what you wrote into a press release format? We can then run it by the PR gurus and ask them to actually release it to businesswire, etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From choke at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 16:18:34 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:18:34 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> <47A7BA76.3040209@redhat.com> <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47A88C5A.7050506@redhat.com> Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > > Minor things, one of which is we might want to mention "sulphur", our > codename: > > >> Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available >> by Fedora Team >> >> As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, one of the most >> > > just http://fedoraproject.org/ > > >> exciting parts of the development process of new Fedora distributions is >> determining which cool, new features will be included in the next release. >> Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started making plans for >> it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. We've already begun to >> implement the changes and features we want included in this release, and with >> the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, it's time for the whole community's input. >> >> During each Fedora cycle, there is an Alpha release, a Beta release and a >> series of weekly snapshot releases. >> (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html) The >> Alpha release gives everyone the opportunity to provide feedback on the work >> that has been done so far as the first step in the testing cycle. It's the >> first time that the larger Fedora community can get really involved in testing >> out the new features and is encouraged to provide input on what's working, and >> what's not. It's easy to gain access to the Alpha release because you don't >> have to install any software -- everything you need is provided through live >> CDs. Then, to give us feedback, you can file bug reports and enhancement >> requests and make other recommendations. >> >> If you want to help us test and shape the next release of Fedora, you can find >> details about the new features we're exploring, about how to get involved in >> the Alpha release and about how to provide feedback and get involved in the >> process by visiting our Fedora 9 Alpha release notes. >> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes) >> > > We might also want to tell people how to get it at > http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease (not up yet but will be shortly). > > -Mike > > I'd invite anyone to check out what we've started with Marketing. I know we have a lot of people on the team (here at Red Hat) gearing up for JBoss World, but we will be having another meeting ASAP. I'm just trying to hammer out a few things on my end right now, but that's on top of my normal job... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 16:26:27 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:26:27 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> <47A7BA76.3040209@redhat.com> <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1202228787.10079.105.camel@calliope.phig.org> Thanks everyone for pulling this together. Did Kerri say we have a "Fedora Team" author to choose from? Or should we have a Marketing Project members do the posting? I think a few of us have accounts to post to press.redhat.com. On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 09:49 -0500, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > Here's the latest version with all of the suggestions incorporated. > Would be great to have any final input by about 12pm ET so that we can > get this posted today. I've put changes below the line changed with appropriate pointers. > ------------------- > Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available > by Fedora Team > > As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, one of the most > exciting parts of the development process of new Fedora distributions is > determining which cool, new features will be included in the next ... features are included ... > release. Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started Fedora 9 (Sulphur) is due out ... > making plans for it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. > We've already begun to implement the changes and features we want We've been implementing the changes ... > included in this release, and with the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, > it's time for the whole community's input. ... input. Obtain your Alpha live spin at http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease. > During each Fedora cycle, there is an Alpha release, a Beta release and release, and > a series of weekly snapshot releases. > (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html) (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule) > The Alpha release gives everyone the opportunity to provide feedback on > the work that has been done so far as the first step in the testing > cycle. It's the first time that the larger Fedora community can get > really involved in testing out the new features and is encouraged to > provide input on what's working, and what's not. It's easy to gain > access to the Alpha release because you don't have to install any > software -- everything you need is provided through live CDs. Then, to > give us feedback, you can file bug reports and enhancement requests and > make other recommendations. > > If you want to help us test and shape the next release of Fedora, you > can find details about the new features we're exploring, about how to > get involved in the Alpha release and about how to provide feedback and release, and > get involved in the process by visiting our Fedora 9 Alpha release involved with Fedora by visiting > notes. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes) -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From choke at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 16:35:04 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:35:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <1202227627.10079.91.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802021611r6dd1dfedw3de8a208d6acdb2f@mail.gmail.com> <1202227627.10079.91.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47A89038.6010501@redhat.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 19:00 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> I was wondering not only about what we're going to say but how we're >> going >> to say it. How are we going to get people to know about the features >> in >> our alpha? >> > > +1 > > That is the crux of the subject of this thread. We are working on a > plan, yes, and it has already missed the first deadline. Unfortunately, > when setting the schedule for the marketing plan, we focused on the > final release. This is typical thinking that applies to RHEL, for > example, where we do not advertise the beta/release candidates. > > Jon - perhaps you want to turn what you wrote into a press release > format? We can then run it by the PR gurus and ask them to actually > release it to businesswire, etc. > > - Karsten > Which deadline would that be? Unfortunately, I'm stuck doing things for FUDCon and JBoss World right now, so my attention is split - with very little left over for Fedora at this time. I'd invite anyone to check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks and pick something up to help us out. Maybe make a page for suggestions or link the release notes to us? Anything would be appreciated. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Feb 5 16:40:52 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:40:52 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <1202227627.10079.91.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802021611r6dd1dfedw3de8a208d6acdb2f@mail.gmail.com> <1202227627.10079.91.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802050840q5672d001o88f6639b013bff47@mail.gmail.com> > Jon - perhaps you want to turn what you wrote into a press release > format? We can then run it by the PR gurus and ask them to actually > release it to businesswire, etc Is there any need for this now that Kerrin has put together the blog post for the release? If there is I'd be happy to do it because I don't think the changes will take long to make :) Best wishes, Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Feb 5 16:55:08 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:55:08 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha - digg it Message-ID: <3263b11b0802050855j466554dfh844d28524d4048b6@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, Now that the Alpha is out and the release notes are no longer a draft, how about we try and get it a bit of attention... If you find the information in the article at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes useful, then why not drop by digg and give it a vote :) http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_Sulphur_Alpha_Released I sincerely hope I haven't missed the boat and it's already been submitted, if that's the case then point me in the right direction! Ooh, and please feel free to submit information about Alpha to as many news sites as you like ;) Best wishes, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 17:01:46 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:01:46 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802050840q5672d001o88f6639b013bff47@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802021611r6dd1dfedw3de8a208d6acdb2f@mail.gmail.com> <1202227627.10079.91.camel@calliope.phig.org> <3263b11b0802050840q5672d001o88f6639b013bff47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202230906.10079.109.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 16:40 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Jon - perhaps you want to turn what you wrote into a press release > > format? We can then run it by the PR gurus and ask them to actually > > release it to businesswire, etc > > Is there any need for this now that Kerrin has put together the blog > post for the release? If there is I'd be happy to do it because I > don't think the changes will take long to make :) I was reading my email in thread-then-date order, so hadn't made it down to Kerri's work, so no worries, this was a call for effort already underway. I'm about to review your combined relnotes stuff, and we'll make sure it is integrated into the page that is linked from the press blog post. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We can then run it by the PR gurus and ask them to actually > > > release it to businesswire, etc > > > > Is there any need for this now that Kerrin has put together the blog > > post for the release? If there is I'd be happy to do it because I > > don't think the changes will take long to make :) > > I was reading my email in thread-then-date order, so hadn't made it down > to Kerri's work, so no worries, this was a call for effort already > underway. > > I'm about to review your combined relnotes stuff, and we'll make sure it > is integrated into the page that is linked from the press blog post. That relnotes stuff is more like the "single-summary" you'd talked about...in the future I expect it will need more technical content, and generally more content! Best wishes, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 17:07:34 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:07:34 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <47A89038.6010501@redhat.com> References: <1201996522.2669.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <448999300802021559r8d53e09qe587645c91d6ab9a@mail.gmail.com> <448999300802021611r6dd1dfedw3de8a208d6acdb2f@mail.gmail.com> <1202227627.10079.91.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47A89038.6010501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1202231254.10079.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 11:35 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > > That is the crux of the subject of this thread. We are working on a > > plan, yes, and it has already missed the first deadline. Unfortunately, > > when setting the schedule for the marketing plan, we focused on the > > final release. This is typical thinking that applies to RHEL, for > > example, where we do not advertise the beta/release candidates. > Which deadline would that be? Alpha release is a named release and worthy of press/marketing attention: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule This was a self-criticism in the sense that we all sat in a room with Leigh Day, agreed that March was a good deadline for having the marketing plan together, and none of us thought about the upcoming Alpha release. ;-D The final marketing plan needs to start with activity sometime soon after a numbered release, drawing attention to feature work in progress, the ongoing interviews, etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm just trying > to hammer out a few things on my end right now, but that's on top of my > normal job... BTW, this mirrors what has happened historically when RHEL-delivering engineers have to put aside Fedora work for long periods of time. We are all responsible for making sure we are not overly dependent on a single failure point, and as you see in this discussion so far, others are picking up what needs to happen on the immediate front. If anyone has a few minutes, a good thing would be to stub out a marketing plan section to match with the F9 release schedule. That is, the "May Day release schedule", in that we match against milestones but don't insert the actual dates. The milestones for a release are usually the same, but the dates can slip. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are working on a >> plan, yes, and it has already missed the first deadline. Unfortunately, >> when setting the schedule for the marketing plan, we focused on the >> final release. This is typical thinking that applies to RHEL, for >> example, where we do not advertise the beta/release candidates. >> >> Jon - perhaps you want to turn what you wrote into a press release >> format? We can then run it by the PR gurus and ask them to actually >> release it to businesswire, etc. >> >> - Karsten >> > Which deadline would that be? > > Unfortunately, I'm stuck doing things for FUDCon and JBoss World right > now, so my attention is split - with very little left over for Fedora > at this time. I'd invite anyone to check out > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks and pick something up to > help us out. > > Maybe make a page for suggestions or link the release notes to us? > Anything would be appreciated. > Well, I'm currently unable to even do anything to the linked page right now... maybe it's me, but it looks like fedoraproject.org is reeeeeaallly slow today. I tried updating stuff from John, but I keep timing out. Bah! -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 17:32:36 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:32:36 -0500 Subject: Vote for Fedora 9 in 2008!!! Message-ID: This idea just came to me, it is 2008, it is an election year in USA! As soon as Fedora 9 is released, I think it is time to have a POLL of which Linux OS you would vote for as the best! I see Ubuntu as Hillary Clinton and Fedora as Barack Obama, both wanting to be the best! If there was an OS that runs like a Republican would, I think it would be PCLinuxOS or openSUSE. Let's do a POLL on the day Fedora 9 comes out and let's see if we can't get more votes than Ubuntu!!! VOTE FOR FEDORA 9 IN 2008!!! Mark McLaughlin /linuxglobe.wordpress.com / Hudson, MA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 17:31:34 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:31:34 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Notes WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802040553vfba780du8bbe27c2f766bf61@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802040553vfba780du8bbe27c2f766bf61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202232694.10079.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 13:53 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Right, > > I think I've finished doing all the integration I can face right now > between those two documents. Karsten, I've tried to restyle it a bit > to your proposal for the "One summary to rule them all" idea and I've > tidied up the language where possible. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9AlphaNotes Sorry I arrived late in this discussion. I did a final edit of the Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes this morning. Had you already merged in your changes? Your namespace draft and the one I edited appear at a glance to be the same. > At the minute it's very text heavy, some screenshots from people > running rawhide would be very cool. We could, but let's also let folks do that and blog about it directly. I don't want to get into the habit of providing too many screenshots for the release notes. A little bit is good marketing value, but a highly significant part of our userbase cares more about a correct feature list first and identification of major improvements/changes. > Also, I think the following > sections probably still need work: > > "Applications" - It might be good to either expand on what's new in > Firefox 3 or to find some more applications that we'd like to draw > attention to upgrades? > > "Anaconda Installer Improvements" - perhaps somebody who knows more > than I do could explain why people should care about these? Basically, > I'd like to find some friendlier language to describe these > improvements... > > "Kernel" - Same as Anaconda really, any chance we can make this friendlier? > > The other thing I think we could do with is a consistent way to link > to both feature pages and upstream pages so readers can easily find > more info. > > OK, besides that I'm quite happy with the shape it's in, but I don't > know what other people think? We can continue to edit it from here, that is one reason we use the wiki for Alpha and Beta release notes. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Feb 5 17:39:22 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:39:22 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Notes WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <1202232694.10079.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <3263b11b0802040553vfba780du8bbe27c2f766bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1202232694.10079.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802050939y1dc988m5929758382de21a6@mail.gmail.com> > Sorry I arrived late in this discussion. I did a final edit of the > Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes this morning. Had you already merged in > your changes? Your namespace draft and the one I edited appear at a > glance to be the same. Yeah the changes had already been merged... > > > At the minute it's very text heavy, some screenshots from people > > running rawhide would be very cool. > > We could, but let's also let folks do that and blog about it directly. > I don't want to get into the habit of providing too many screenshots for > the release notes. A little bit is good marketing value, but a highly > significant part of our userbase cares more about a correct feature list > first and identification of major improvements/changes. OK that's cool by me :) > We can continue to edit it from here, that is one reason we use the wiki > for Alpha and Beta release notes. Super duper - Best wishes, Jon From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Feb 5 17:50:07 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:50:07 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Notes WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <1202232694.10079.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <3263b11b0802040553vfba780du8bbe27c2f766bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1202232694.10079.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20080205125007.2b69efb9@j2solutions.net> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:31:34 -0800 "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" wrote: > We can continue to edit it from here, that is one reason we use the > wiki for Alpha and Beta release notes. Note that to avoid killing the wiki on release days, we really need to make that content static for the day or 3. And it needs to happen before I send the release announcement. I completely failed in arranging this for the Alpha release, we'll do better for Beta. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kcatallo at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 19:05:36 2008 From: kcatallo at redhat.com (Kerrin Catallozzi) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:05:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Marketing Plan WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <1202228787.10079.105.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <3263b11b0802030206p60e27ab5hee704ea848089d10@mail.gmail.com> <47A72FF8.4030301@redhat.com> <3263b11b0802040737r16d85521if6124ec50b36771@mail.gmail.com> <47A79882.4090701@redhat.com> <47A7BA76.3040209@redhat.com> <47A8778B.2070103@redhat.com> <1202228787.10079.105.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47A8B380.6040802@redhat.com> The blog is posted now, under the Fedora Team name: http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/02/05/help-shape-fedora-9-alpha-release-now-available/. Thanks for all the input. Kerri Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Thanks everyone for pulling this together. > > Did Kerri say we have a "Fedora Team" author to choose from? Or should > we have a Marketing Project members do the posting? I think a few of us > have accounts to post to press.redhat.com. > > On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 09:49 -0500, Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: > > >> Here's the latest version with all of the suggestions incorporated. >> Would be great to have any final input by about 12pm ET so that we can >> get this posted today. >> > > I've put changes below the line changed with appropriate pointers. > > >> ------------------- >> Help Shape Fedora 9: Alpha Release Now Available >> by Fedora Team >> >> As Fedora (http://www.fedoraproject.org) contributors, one of the most >> exciting parts of the development process of new Fedora distributions is >> determining which cool, new features will be included in the next >> > ... features are included ... > >> release. Fedora 9 is due out at the end of April 2008, and we started >> > Fedora 9 (Sulphur) is due out ... > >> making plans for it as soon as we released Fedora 8 back in November. >> We've already begun to implement the changes and features we want >> > We've been implementing the changes ... > >> included in this release, and with the Fedora 9 Alpha release today, >> it's time for the whole community's input. >> > ... input. Obtain your Alpha live > spin at http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease. > > >> During each Fedora cycle, there is an Alpha release, a Beta release and >> > release, and > >> a series of weekly snapshot releases. >> (http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html) >> > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule) > >> The Alpha release gives everyone the opportunity to provide feedback on >> the work that has been done so far as the first step in the testing >> cycle. It's the first time that the larger Fedora community can get >> really involved in testing out the new features and is encouraged to >> provide input on what's working, and what's not. It's easy to gain >> access to the Alpha release because you don't have to install any >> software -- everything you need is provided through live CDs. Then, to >> give us feedback, you can file bug reports and enhancement requests and >> make other recommendations. >> >> If you want to help us test and shape the next release of Fedora, you >> can find details about the new features we're exploring, about how to >> get involved in the Alpha release and about how to provide feedback and >> > release, and > >> get involved in the process by visiting our Fedora 9 Alpha release >> > involved with Fedora by visiting > >> notes. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes) >> > > From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 19:06:42 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:06:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: openSuse's new community leader Message-ID: It looks like Joe Brockmeier has been hired as the openSuse community leader. http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3725811 --Max From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 5 19:14:56 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:14:56 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Alpha Release Notes WAS Re: Fedora 9 Marketing plan? In-Reply-To: <20080205125007.2b69efb9@j2solutions.net> References: <3263b11b0802040553vfba780du8bbe27c2f766bf61@mail.gmail.com> <1202232694.10079.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> <20080205125007.2b69efb9@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1202238896.23430.35.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 12:50 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:31:34 -0800 > "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" wrote: > > > We can continue to edit it from here, that is one reason we use the > > wiki for Alpha and Beta release notes. > > Note that to avoid killing the wiki on release days, we really need to > make that content static for the day or 3. And it needs to happen > before I send the release announcement. > > I completely failed in arranging this for the Alpha release, we'll do > better for Beta. Darn, forgot about that. We can have it freeze ~12 hours before Alpha and Beta release, then convert it to a static page. We can give out that static page link as fixed, then manage what appears there. For example, after a few days, it could redirect back to the wiki. Or