What are we doing wrong? WAS Re: ubuntu marketing

Michael Beckwith michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com
Sat Feb 23 18:49:38 UTC 2008

Welcome to the bleeding edge.

Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Jonathan Roberts
> <jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> We fix the problem by
>>  >  standing here and reminding people that Europe is not immune to this
>>  >  threat. It's real damn easy to pretend the problem is just a US
>>  >  issue...its not. Its a looming legal issue everywhere. We don't win
>>  >  long term by ignoring it.  We'll have this same discussion every
>>  >  single release cycle.. and I'm okay with that. Patents are the biggest
>>  >  problem facing the open source ecosystem, and I'd rather have Fedora
>>  >  stand here and be a beacon for rational, passionate, discussion on the
>>  >  issue, than to just side step the issue for the sake of collecting a
>>  >  few more users in our userbase.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >  I do not need to beat another linux distribution in terms of users for
>>  >  Fedora to achieve is core goals of fostering open innovation.
>>  >  I need 'enough' users... i need 'enough' upstream developers.. i need
>>  >  'enough' maintainers.. I need 'enough' triagers... I need 'enough'
>>  >  artists... I need 'enough writers...I need 'enough' translators....
>>  >  and give them 'enough' open infrastructure by which to communicate as
>>  >  partners in the process of open innovation.
>>  >
>>  >  What I don't need is proprietary software.
>>  >
>>  >  I don't need to be greedy for Fedora to reach its prime objectives. I
>>  >  am perfectly okay with other distribution existing and being popular.
>>  >  The future of ALL linux distributions runs through what is happening
>>  >  as part of Fedora...and I'm perfectly happy with that.
>>  OK, how about we try and turn this thread into some positive energy!?
>>  What's been said, that Fedora is here to take a stand and to help try
>>  and change the legal issues that cause problems for those of us who
>>  want to be creative and share with each other, is very true. I believe
>>  that the majority of Fedora's contributing community are here and
>>  taking part because they support this view. Jef's also said that this
>>  conversation comes up during every release cycle - and even I've been
>>  around long enough to see that this is true - so we must be doing
>>  something wrong, somewhere, in communicating this part of our mission
>>  to the outside world and newer members of our community.
>>  The questions I now have are:
>>  * Where are we going wrong currently?
>>  * How can we make changes to improve this?
>>  The best selling point, imho, for free software is the freedom's that
>>  it affords us. Likewise, Fedora's strongest selling point is the stand
>>  it takes to help defend and make these freedoms available to anybody
>>  who wants them. So how can we promote this better? I might reply to my
>>  own thread in a while with my thoughts on this!
> updates on -stable branch goes too fast! :P (well, at least thats the
> complain which I hear quite frequent). This caused regression
> problems. Things work at first, but breaks after an update. Being in
> fedora stable to them feels like being in -devel branch of other
> distros.
> Maybe revise the update policy?.
>>  Best wishes,
>>  Jon
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