From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 00:22:49 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:22:49 -0600 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception Message-ID: I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure alot of us are on both. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Dec 31, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: [Bug 204883] Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 (x86) to fc6t2 (x86_64) To: jonstanley at gmail.com Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 (x86) to fc6t2 (x86_64) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204883 grgoffe at yahoo.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Flag|needinfo?(grgoffe at yahoo.com)| ------- Additional Comments From grgoffe at yahoo.com 2007-12-31 18:48 EST ------- Jon, Thanks for your input. I've pretty much given up with my efforts to further the Fedora cause. Here are my reasons: 1) I opened this case OVER a year ago. NO responses til now. Not exactly what I would call a timely response I'm sure you'll agree. 2) I have joined several of the fedora lists (fedora-dev comes to mind off the top of my head. I have posted to the list several times but have NOT received any responses except from Rahul. I'm NOT a developer but I HAVE a lot of experience working with systems (> 40 years) of all kinds. I will NEVER tell anyone that I know it all because I just don't. I do expect to be listened to when I request info or make a suggestion. EVEN if it's just to tell me to go to hell. This is not unreasonable, I do listen AND reply to other people when they address me. I just expect the same treatment. Regards, George... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. -- Jon Stanley Fedora Ambassador jstanley at fedoraproject.org From wdc at MIT.EDU Tue Jan 1 00:41:47 2008 From: wdc at MIT.EDU (William Cattey) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:41:47 -0500 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> I too have been disheartened to hear nothing for months and often more than a year for problems I have reported. It is impossible to give every submitted a bug detailed and rigorous attention. There are just too many bugs and not enough people. It seems to me, however, that if those in the know could manage to triage each incoming bug within a few days, and answer the submitter doing four simple things, the people submitting the bugs would feel more strongly motivated to stay involved and to grow into people who could help out in future. What four things: 1. Acknowledge the submission. 2. Identify if it is an already known bug, and if so, connect the new bug to the known bug. 3. If it can be done with a few minutes work, provide the submitter with something to do to get them moving forward on isolating and fixing the bug. 4. If possible, give a sense of when to expect further help: If the bug is difficult to deal with, and in a low importance subsystem, say so. If it is easy to fix, give the submitter help in trying to submit a fix. Leaving people hanging for months and years has consequences. For example: I got bit in August by Red Hat bugzilla bug 240326. In DECEMBER that bug was flagged as a duplicate of Red Hat bug 222327 detected by Red Hat internally and opened in January. The lack of timely triage meant that nobody realized this EASY bug to fix was actually affecting real customers. Although this bug is Red Hat, not Fedora, the principle is the same. If you at least respond, and respond quickly, you motivate people to do more work and join the ranks of those helping out. If you allow a one-year backlog to come into existence, you look bad, you de- motivate potential good new people, and you cheat yourself out of useful information and forward progress on the code base. Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value produced is measurable and significant. -Bill ---- William Cattey Linux Platform Coordinator MIT Information Services & Technology N42-040M, 617-253-0140, wdc at mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/wdc/www/ On Dec 31, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a > reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating > to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do > about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a > problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure > alot of us are on both. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Dec 31, 2007 5:48 PM > Subject: [Bug 204883] Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 > (x86) to fc6t2 (x86_64) > To: jonstanley at gmail.com > > > Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional > comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. > > Summary: Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 (x86) to fc6t2 > (x86_64) > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204883 > > > grgoffe at yahoo.com changed: > > What |Removed |Added > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Status|NEEDINFO |NEW > Flag|needinfo?(grgoffe at yahoo.com)| > > > > > ------- Additional Comments From grgoffe at yahoo.com 2007-12-31 > 18:48 EST ------- > Jon, > > Thanks for your input. > > I've pretty much given up with my efforts to further the Fedora > cause. Here are > my reasons: > > 1) I opened this case OVER a year ago. NO responses til now. Not > exactly what I > would call a timely response I'm sure you'll agree. > > 2) I have joined several of the fedora lists (fedora-dev comes to > mind off the > top of my head. I have posted to the list several times but have > NOT received > any responses except from Rahul. > > I'm NOT a developer but I HAVE a lot of experience working with > systems (> 40 > years) of all kinds. I will NEVER tell anyone that I know it all > because I just > don't. I do expect to be listened to when I request info or make a > suggestion. > EVEN if it's just to tell me to go to hell. This is not > unreasonable, I do > listen AND reply to other people when they address me. I just > expect the same > treatment. > > Regards, > > George... > > > > -- > Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email > ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- > You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. > > > > -- > Jon Stanley > Fedora Ambassador > jstanley at fedoraproject.org > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Jan 1 00:50:25 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:50:25 +0900 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> References: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> Message-ID: <1199148625.4348.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 19:41 -0500, William Cattey wrote: > I too have been disheartened to hear nothing for months and often > more than a year for problems I have reported. > > It is impossible to give every submitted a bug detailed and rigorous > attention. There are just too many bugs and not enough people. > > It seems to me, however, that if those in the know could manage to > triage each incoming bug within a few days, and answer the submitter > doing four simple things, the people submitting the bugs would feel > more strongly motivated to stay involved and to grow into people who > could help out in future. What four things: > > 1. Acknowledge the submission. > 2. Identify if it is an already known bug, and if so, connect the > new bug to the known bug. > 3. If it can be done with a few minutes work, provide the submitter > with something to do to get them moving forward on isolating and > fixing the bug. > 4. If possible, give a sense of when to expect further help: If the > bug is difficult to deal with, and in a low importance subsystem, say > so. If it is easy to fix, give the submitter help in trying to > submit a fix. > > Leaving people hanging for months and years has consequences. For > example: I got bit in August by Red Hat bugzilla bug 240326. In > DECEMBER that bug was flagged as a duplicate of Red Hat bug 222327 > detected by Red Hat internally and opened in January. The lack of > timely triage meant that nobody realized this EASY bug to fix was > actually affecting real customers. Although this bug is Red Hat, not > Fedora, the principle is the same. > > If you at least respond, and respond quickly, you motivate people to > do more work and join the ranks of those helping out. If you allow a > one-year backlog to come into existence, you look bad, you de- > motivate potential good new people, and you cheat yourself out of > useful information and forward progress on the code base. > > Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value > produced is measurable and significant. > > -Bill > > ---- > > William Cattey > Linux Platform Coordinator > MIT Information Services & Technology > > N42-040M, 617-253-0140, wdc at mit.edu > http://web.mit.edu/wdc/www/ > > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > > > I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a > > reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating > > to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do > > about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a > > problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure > > alot of us are on both. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: > > Date: Dec 31, 2007 5:48 PM > > Subject: [Bug 204883] Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 > > (x86) to fc6t2 (x86_64) > > To: jonstanley at gmail.com > > > > > > Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional > > comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. > > > > Summary: Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 (x86) to fc6t2 > > (x86_64) > > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204883 > > > > > > grgoffe at yahoo.com changed: > > > > What |Removed |Added > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > Status|NEEDINFO |NEW > > Flag|needinfo?(grgoffe at yahoo.com)| > > > > > > > > > > ------- Additional Comments From grgoffe at yahoo.com 2007-12-31 > > 18:48 EST ------- > > Jon, > > > > Thanks for your input. > > > > I've pretty much given up with my efforts to further the Fedora > > cause. Here are > > my reasons: > > > > 1) I opened this case OVER a year ago. NO responses til now. Not > > exactly what I > > would call a timely response I'm sure you'll agree. > > > > 2) I have joined several of the fedora lists (fedora-dev comes to > > mind off the > > top of my head. I have posted to the list several times but have > > NOT received > > any responses except from Rahul. > > > > I'm NOT a developer but I HAVE a lot of experience working with > > systems (> 40 > > years) of all kinds. I will NEVER tell anyone that I know it all > > because I just > > don't. I do expect to be listened to when I request info or make a > > suggestion. > > EVEN if it's just to tell me to go to hell. This is not > > unreasonable, I do > > listen AND reply to other people when they address me. I just > > expect the same > > treatment. > > > > Regards, > > > > George... > > > > > > > > - Yep I've seen that a lot. Dev's are busy and generally can't respond I'm not to sure if this does not occur in other projects but I know when I post a bug to wine I get a response in close to 24-48 hours even if it is just an acknowledgment of the bug. Me personally I've always had bugs responded to so I haven't personally experienced the problem. I do know of one situation but that was relating to development of the bash in F9 where we/fedoraforum posted a bug report to help BASH for the init process and we haven't heard back as of yet and that was a few months ago. While thats not really an issue most of the users in that were very eager to help bug test yet there hasn't been feedback. Cheers, Marc From gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es Tue Jan 1 06:58:36 2008 From: gotencoolwebmaster at yahoo.es (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:58:36 -0300 Subject: Multiple distro reviews In-Reply-To: <64b14b300712310856k1cbaeca6w1f95131d822b0e70@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300712301311j18eeef2axdf0945f177789173@mail.gmail.com> <47780FC6.8050906@linux-kernel.at> <9fb23eef0712310047g14e9300egb6d3700257727f35@mail.gmail.com> <4778AFAD.2080207@nobugconsulting.ro> <64b14b300712310856k1cbaeca6w1f95131d822b0e70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199170716.2731.8.camel@caleuche> El lun, 31-12-2007 a las 17:56 +0100, Valent Turkovic escribi?: > On 12/31/07, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: > > On 12/31/2007 10:47 AM, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > > > I smell a bias: > > > > > > According to the TFA: > > > > > > 1) Ubuntu took 3 attempts attempts to install. But still it got an 8 > > > in that field, compared to Fedora which got 7 > > > 2) `System configuration can be fiddly, and configuring wireless > > > Internet often requires some knowledge as you probably have to set up > > > NDISwrapper.`.... wtf? Because ubuntu uses some magical kernel which > > > all wireless drivers work? Notice the `you probably`... ie, he never > > > tried > > > 3) Maybe we should have a `select which services to keep running` as > > > part of the installer? You can't deny Fedora enables a LOT of > > > services, many of which take a bit of time to get going. > > > > > > > > Just two weeks ago I have installed Ubuntu on a Dell laptop belonging to > > a friend. It only took a couple of mouse clicks and no previous > > knowledge (besides the mere "I know there are some binary drivers needed > > and they are not included by default"; note the absence of any mention > > of a specific repository info here) to have ATI (hence 3D video) and > > Broadcom (hence wireless) to have everything working. > > Leaving aside any rant or justification about patents and such, from a > > user point of view I would have noted Ubuntu with 9 and Fedora with 5. > > As for the difference between "it just works " and "dig on google for > > what to do in order to add the repository, extract the firmware and > > install it" I install Ubuntu on my Compaq V3000, wireless not work. I follow the ubuntu wiki help. On Fedora 7 and Fedora 8, the wireless work with few steps. Ubuntu remove my previous grub (never ask me). Fedora ask if you need a new grub. Ubuntu's installer dont let choose (like Window$) > > If you need things "Just to work" and aren't bothered by firmware and > other blobs in your kernel why don't you just use LinuxMint? > > It is an enhanced version of Ubuntu and it "Just Works". > > Your friends will thank you many times... > > http://linuxmint.com/ > > Valent. > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Embajador Fedora Linuxdiinf.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What four things: We have people trying to organize bug days and triage events. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 1 13:33:29 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:03:29 +0530 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> References: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> Message-ID: <477A4129.3000401@fedoraproject.org> William Cattey wrote: > > Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value > produced is measurable and significant. I am pretty sure everybody will agree with that. However we don't really have many triagers and any help on this would be most welcome. Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Jan 1 14:57:24 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:57:24 +0900 Subject: Fedora Core (doing time) Message-ID: <1199199444.4348.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Quite a funny read. http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Core If you have time and have a sense of humor read the bits about other distro's as well. Especially Debian's one. Cheers, Marc From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 19:47:41 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:47:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora 10 Presentations Message-ID: Happy 2008! We have six to eight months on how to best put out the word about Fedora 10! I think small Newspaper ADs showing the NEW Fedora 10 Logo and what event would present it might be the way to go! Something like a type of Expo that shows what Fedora 10 AND Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 can do for a home, small business, or enterprise. There should be give- aways of Fedora 10 with a DEMO of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 attached! There should be low cost laptops, desktops, & servers sold there that can run Fedora or Red Hat. There should be inexpensive sweatshirts, t-shirts, baseball caps, & usb flash drives all bearing either the Fedora 10 Logo or the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 Logo. There should be sausage, hot dogs, popcorn, brownies, and soda available to all who come, with the proceeds going to the OLPC project. Fedora 10 must be on par with Ubuntu 8 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 that can run older Windoze Games, has optional MAC OS X-like features, a longer life cycle, GIMP 2.6, OpenOffice 2.4, GNOME 2.22 or 2.4, Audacity, KompoZer, Inkscape, Scribus, and some type of Video Editor. I hope I can get some insight and/or help about starting a Linux Magazine right here in Boston! I contacted Karlie Robinson at on-disk.com about such a bold project! It's important that a North American based Linux Magazine is available on newsstands everywhere! Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mastahnke at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 19:49:29 2008 From: mastahnke at gmail.com (Michael Stahnke) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:49:29 -0600 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: <477A4129.3000401@fedoraproject.org> References: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> <477A4129.3000401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <7874d9dd0801011149j1f99fa41wd3b65ed47792eede@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 1, 2008 7:33 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > William Cattey wrote: > > > > Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value > > produced is measurable and significant. > > I am pretty sure everybody will agree with that. However we don't really > have many triagers and any help on this would be most welcome. > > Rahul > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > To me, a lot of the reason there are not more people tracking down bugs like this is that any/most packages that were part of core, can't be fixed by community members. Some of the bugs are 5 minute fixes that anyone could do. Rather than just fix them, we have to fill out more items about each bug and pray someone from Red Hat deems it worthy enough to fix. I have had several bugs opened and then years later closed when FCx or RHELx was no longer supported and told to refile them if they still exist. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth and is really against most of the the open source models I am aware of. If I can fix it, or at least provide a patch to fix it, why should it take year(s) for evaluation? I normally find that bugs on former extras packages were taken care of much faster. Most often now, I will just create my own package/patches and apply on my systems rather than try to file bug against any core package. It gets results. For example the last bug I filed (that I recall anyway) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=236697 was put in April. I haven't heard one single thing back on it. This is proof to me that either the team maintaining core packages is too small, or there are lots of people at RH who don't care about bug reports. stahnma From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 1 19:50:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:20:47 +0530 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: <7874d9dd0801011149j1f99fa41wd3b65ed47792eede@mail.gmail.com> References: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> <477A4129.3000401@fedoraproject.org> <7874d9dd0801011149j1f99fa41wd3b65ed47792eede@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477A9997.2020301@fedoraproject.org> Michael Stahnke wrote: > To me, a lot of the reason there are not more people tracking down > bugs like this is that any/most packages that were part of core, can't > be fixed by community members. Triaging bugs usually doesn't require any commit access. I have triaged hundreds of bugs before and most of them was about asking for more information, reassigning bugs so that it reaches the proper maintainers, closing duplicates or already fixed bugs and so on but it is possible that ACL's are a hindrance and I have been always supportive of removing them to the maximum extend possible. You might be interested in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/PackageACLOpening. This is proof to me that > either the team maintaining core packages is too small, or there are > lots of people at RH who don't care about bug reports. It is mostly a problem of resources and there are few ways you can tackle this currently including direct mails, requesting co-maintainership of the package in question or initiating the AWOL/MIA process. Rahul From inode0 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 21:20:37 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:20:37 -0600 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: <477A4129.3000401@fedoraproject.org> References: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> <477A4129.3000401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Jan 1, 2008 7:33 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > William Cattey wrote: > > > > Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value > > produced is measurable and significant. > > I am pretty sure everybody will agree with that. However we don't really > have many triagers and any help on this would be most welcome. What is the magnitude of the problem? While I understand one more triager would be welcome would one more triager make any difference? Would 10 more make a difference? How many would it take to make a real difference? John From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 1 21:46:20 2008 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:46:20 +0100 Subject: Image licence required by wikipedia Message-ID: <20080101224620.542d65fd@agnetha.mrtomlinux> Hi everybody I uploaded this image [1] on the French Fedora Wikipedia page [2] and I received this message [3]. Where can I get the required info ? Thanks 1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiGraphics?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Fedora_Design.png 2: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora 3: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrTom&diff=0&oldid=9134020 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 1 21:43:56 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:13:56 +0530 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: References: <9B827ABA-7EB7-4480-9CBF-A7F58D420927@mit.edu> <477A4129.3000401@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <477AB41C.9080405@fedoraproject.org> inode0 wrote: > On Jan 1, 2008 7:33 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> William Cattey wrote: >>> Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value >>> produced is measurable and significant. >> I am pretty sure everybody will agree with that. However we don't really >> have many triagers and any help on this would be most welcome. > > What is the magnitude of the problem? It is a pretty huge problem. To understand it a bit more, some stats. There is a total of 13557 bugs (excluding documentation, directory server and Fedora EPEL repository) Against Fedora 7, 8 and rawhide alone, 9708 bugs are open. Quite a number of them are package review requests rather than bugs but still the number of open bugs that are likely still valid at any given point has been hovering around 8000. We have around 5000+ source packages (only source packages are listed in bugzilla) and majority of them are filed against a few key packages. While I understand one more > triager would be welcome would one more triager make any difference? Certainly but you probably need to target specific things. The large majority of bugs are usually filed against core components like the kernel, xorg or default applications like Openoffice.org, Firefox, Evolution etc. Typical 80/20 rule. A new triager could focus on say Xorg bug reports and make a pretty big difference and you don't need any programming skills to do it. If you can coordinate this with the relevant package maintainers, that would be even better. Christopher Brown has been doing it for the kernel with pretty good results. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-kernel-list/2007-December/msg00029.html Red Hat desktop team has a dedicated bug triager, Matej Cepl and you might want to contact him before you touch on any of the desktop components. > Would 10 more make a difference? How many would it take to make a real > difference? I am just making a guess here but a group of about 3 or 4 people working together as a team on organizing bug days etc can certainly make a immediate difference to the entire bug list. If you are interested, refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers Join #fedora-qa and ping me (nick:mether) or Will Woods (nick:wwods) and we can help you get you started. Otherwise just ask in the channel. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 1 21:44:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:14:50 +0530 Subject: Image licence required by wikipedia In-Reply-To: <20080101224620.542d65fd@agnetha.mrtomlinux> References: <20080101224620.542d65fd@agnetha.mrtomlinux> Message-ID: <477AB452.8070401@fedoraproject.org> Thomas Canniot wrote: > Hi everybody > > I uploaded this image [1] on the French Fedora Wikipedia page [2] > and I received this message [3]. > > Where can I get the required info ? Fedora art list, likely. Rahul From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 21:54:41 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:54:41 -0500 Subject: Image licence required by wikipedia In-Reply-To: <20080101224620.542d65fd@agnetha.mrtomlinux> References: <20080101224620.542d65fd@agnetha.mrtomlinux> Message-ID: On Jan 1, 2008 4:46 PM, Thomas Canniot wrote: > Where can I get the required info ? This explains the licensing of the Wiki content http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal#head-cd4a44f1d07a57552daf766e071c90559af9bf32 From mrtom at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 1 22:28:42 2008 From: mrtom at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Canniot) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:28:42 +0100 Subject: Image licence required by wikipedia In-Reply-To: References: <20080101224620.542d65fd@agnetha.mrtomlinux> Message-ID: <20080101232842.2d8caa00@agnetha.mrtomlinux> Le Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:54:41 -0500, "Jon Stanley" a ?crit : > On Jan 1, 2008 4:46 PM, Thomas Canniot > wrote: > > > Where can I get the required info ? > > This explains the licensing of the Wiki content > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal#head-cd4a44f1d07a57552daf766e071c90559af9bf32 > Hey thanks I missed the little magic sentence :) Thomas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Wed Jan 2 06:54:29 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:54:29 -0500 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" Message-ID: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Very interesting! http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1848 Rodrigo Padula -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHezUlPg3HAC1vlg4RAidwAKCgAiz9HkqZleRPHotY7zfBeKf65wCeNhbe QhVM3DRzAvObXFv7HMqa9qo= =OxH7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 04:08:13 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:08:13 -0600 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> Coming from a personal opinion, I think Fedora should just stick to our short term and long term gameplan and try to avoid pandering to an idea like this. Lets just keep doing what Fedora has been doing for years, which is lead and innovate. Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Very interesting! > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1848 > > Rodrigo Padula > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHezUlPg3HAC1vlg4RAidwAKCgAiz9HkqZleRPHotY7zfBeKf65wCeNhbe > QhVM3DRzAvObXFv7HMqa9qo= > =OxH7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From david at lovesunix.net Wed Jan 2 04:51:59 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:51:59 +0100 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> tir, 01 01 2008 kl. 22:08 -0600, skrev Michael Beckwith: > Coming from a personal opinion, I think Fedora should just stick to our > short term and long term gameplan and try to avoid pandering to an idea > like this. Lets just keep doing what Fedora has been doing for years, > which is lead and innovate. Not to mention it's an arms race we can't win.. remember we are the only contestant. Every minute invested in upstream development benefits both parties equally. So the harder we try, the higher we raise the bar for ourselves since Ubuntu can just take the work we do at near zero effort. I think the more important battle is for the public understanding of where upstream development stems from and being better at taking credit for the excellent work Fedora does. Selling the virtue of driving innovation seems like a far more sane tactic than encouraging a brainless war based on the choice of what is essentially Product A or Product A with a brown theme. Point out where the code comes from, who invests to make it happen, who has the vision and the will to innovate. - David *values not product* Nielsen From karlthered2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 09:28:38 2008 From: karlthered2 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H._Gu=E9mar?=) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:28:38 +0100 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> Message-ID: Just some pseudo-journalistic craps. If there's any competition, it's between RedHat, Inc and Canonical LTD, it's not our business. Dudes, it's free software, we should be proud that our work is branded as killer features in latest releases of other distributions. Take it as a tribute ! As David Nielsen said, our work is to highlight the fantastic work made by FedoraProject contributors. Think of "Fedora Linux" not as an end in itself but only as a mean to achieve our goal. Fedora is geared toward future not past neither present. H. G. From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Jan 2 09:35:18 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:35:18 +0000 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> Message-ID: <1199266518.2695.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I think the more important battle is for the public understanding of > where upstream development stems from and being better at taking credit > for the excellent work Fedora does. +1 which is exactly what I think the mission of the marketing team should be. Fedora drives a lot of innovation and due to its strong belief in working closely with upstream a lot of the innovation quickly becomes available to other distributions. Something the article overlooked I think: while open source code can benefit everyone, the ease with which this happens is influenced by how quickly code gets upstream and I'm not convinced Ubuntu, or any distribution, is as good at this as Fedora. Anybody got any ideas where we could get some numbers on this!? Going to get started with new interviews (which nearly always have a specific question about how the work gets upstream) and hopefully some features/press release kind of stuff about other infrastructe aspects of the community such as people.fp.org...you all probably know where this is heading - if you want to help out you're more than welcome!! Best wishes, and a happy new year to all :) Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 2 10:20:59 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:50:59 +0530 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <1199266518.2695.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> <1199266518.2695.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <477B658B.9080908@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> I think the more important battle is for the public understanding of >> where upstream development stems from and being better at taking credit >> for the excellent work Fedora does. > > +1 which is exactly what I think the mission of the marketing team > should be. Fedora drives a lot of innovation and due to its strong > belief in working closely with upstream a lot of the innovation quickly > becomes available to other distributions. Something the article > overlooked I think: while open source code can benefit everyone, the > ease with which this happens is influenced by how quickly code gets > upstream and I'm not convinced Ubuntu, or any distribution, is as good > at this as Fedora. Anybody got any ideas where we could get some numbers > on this!? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions and in the references. People have done various studies on which vendors contribute how much to the Linux kernel in particular and Red Hat in usually by a large margin the leading contributor. That would probably be the same for GTK and GNOME though I don't know of anyone doing any formal analysis. Then there are other key pieces like Glibc, GCC and on more desktop neutral stuff like HAL, DBus, Cairo, NetworkManager etc. From the volunteer community, there are a good number of people who contribute to various upstream projects. A few examples, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BryanSullivan (Mercurial upstream. Refer http://lwn.net/Articles/153990/ for a interesting detail). http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HansdeGoede http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KevinKofler I am pretty sure there are several dozen more contributors such as these. Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jan 2 15:23:03 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:23:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Jon Stanley wrote: > I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a > reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating > to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do > about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a > problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure > alot of us are on both. Handling this exact kind of problem is why bug triagers are worth their weight in gold. Because here's the thing: people don't expect all of their bugs to be magically fixed. (Well, some do, but it doesn't make good business sense or good community sense to cater to unreasonable people.) What they *do* expect is for someone to say, "gee, thanks for posting this bug, we'll set the priority accordingly and maybe poke a developer." And we fail pretty miserably at that. Cross-posting to the Fedora advisory board list. Our inability to create and nurture a bug triage community continues to be painful, and our current QA resources within Red Hat continue to be (necessarily) technically focused rather than community focused. This is a problem we need to solve. --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 16:00:47 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:00:47 -0600 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2008 9:23 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Jon Stanley wrote: > > > I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a > > reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating > > to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do > > about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a > > problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure > > alot of us are on both. > > Handling this exact kind of problem is why bug triagers are worth their > weight in gold. > > Because here's the thing: people don't expect all of their bugs to be > magically fixed. (Well, some do, but it doesn't make good business sense > or good community sense to cater to unreasonable people.) > > What they *do* expect is for someone to say, "gee, thanks for posting this > bug, we'll set the priority accordingly and maybe poke a developer." And > we fail pretty miserably at that. > > Cross-posting to the Fedora advisory board list. Our inability to create > and nurture a bug triage community continues to be painful, and our > current QA resources within Red Hat continue to be (necessarily) > technically focused rather than community focused. This is a problem we > need to solve. I know ideas are a dime a dozen but here is one idea anyway ... We've been discussing how universities can take a more active role in helping students find suitable open source projects to participate in and ways they can find a fit between their skills and the needs of open source projects elsewhere. I think it would be immensely helpful to those of us at universities who don't have a lot of direct access to students to have one marketing tool available to us ... an eye-catching poster that we could scatter around campus ... perhaps containing a short list of fedora needs that don't require a lot of technical skill and an empty spot where we might add some mentor contact information for anyone interested. John From mastahnke at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 16:15:46 2008 From: mastahnke at gmail.com (Michael Stahnke) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:15:46 -0600 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7874d9dd0801020815x3c639b9cgc28ad9abc572dc78@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 2, 2008 10:00 AM, inode0 wrote: > On Jan 2, 2008 9:23 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Jon Stanley wrote: > > > > > I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a > > > reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating > > > to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do > > > about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a > > > problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure > > > alot of us are on both. > > > > Handling this exact kind of problem is why bug triagers are worth their > > weight in gold. > > > > Because here's the thing: people don't expect all of their bugs to be > > magically fixed. (Well, some do, but it doesn't make good business sense > > or good community sense to cater to unreasonable people.) > > > > What they *do* expect is for someone to say, "gee, thanks for posting this > > bug, we'll set the priority accordingly and maybe poke a developer." And > > we fail pretty miserably at that. > > > > Cross-posting to the Fedora advisory board list. Our inability to create > > and nurture a bug triage community continues to be painful, and our > > current QA resources within Red Hat continue to be (necessarily) > > technically focused rather than community focused. This is a problem we > > need to solve. > > I know ideas are a dime a dozen but here is one idea anyway ... > > We've been discussing how universities can take a more active role in > helping students find suitable open source projects to participate in > and ways they can find a fit between their skills and the needs of > open source projects elsewhere. > > I think it would be immensely helpful to those of us at universities > who don't have a lot of direct access to students to have one > marketing tool available to us ... an eye-catching poster that we > could scatter around campus ... perhaps containing a short list of > fedora needs that don't require a lot of technical skill and an empty > spot where we might add some mentor contact information for anyone > interested. > I couldn't agree more. This is a great spot for anyone to step into the community and make a difference. > John > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 19:41:34 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:41:34 -0900 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> Message-ID: <604aa7910801021141q7c4b91c4m1b7dea5400ed7adf@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 2, 2008 12:28 AM, H. Gu?mar wrote: > Just some pseudo-journalistic craps. > If there's any competition, it's between RedHat, Inc and Canonical > LTD, it's not our business. We need a presskit. Is there someone on this list who can lead the development of a presskit? If we had a "Thinking about writing an article about Fedora?" link on our frontpage, what materials would we want behind that link? What are the important things we'd like to make sure laypress people stress about Fedora as a project? What are the common factual pitfalls that the laypress have been making repeatedly that we end up correcting via article comments? If we can get a presskit out we could potentially get ahead of more common laypress mistakes and stop them before they are written. What are the interpretive and editorial perceptions that can be influenced by our own editorial material aimed at laypress? Or to ask this another way, is there a flavor of kool-aid that we should be mixing up specifically for laypress? -jef From lday at redhat.com Wed Jan 2 19:46:46 2008 From: lday at redhat.com (Leigh Cantrell Day) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:46:46 -0500 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801021141q7c4b91c4m1b7dea5400ed7adf@mail.gmail.com> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> <604aa7910801021141q7c4b91c4m1b7dea5400ed7adf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477BEA26.10200@redhat.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 2, 2008 12:28 AM, H. Gu?mar wrote: >> Just some pseudo-journalistic craps. >> If there's any competition, it's between RedHat, Inc and Canonical >> LTD, it's not our business. > > We need a presskit. Is there someone on this list who can lead the > development of a presskit? > > If we had a "Thinking about writing an article about Fedora?" link on > our frontpage, what materials would we want behind that link? > > What are the important things we'd like to make sure laypress people > stress about Fedora as a project? > > What are the common factual pitfalls that the laypress have been > making repeatedly that we end up correcting via article comments? If > we can get a presskit out we could potentially get ahead of more > common laypress mistakes and stop them before they are written. > > What are the interpretive and editorial perceptions that can be > influenced by our own editorial material aimed at laypress? Or to ask > this another way, is there a flavor of kool-aid that we should be > mixing up specifically for laypress? > We need a few things: o Fedora Fast Facts: data that would be interesting to someone writing an article: o History o Differentiating points o Features/Functions o Instructions for 'laypress' to download with most ease o Reviewers' Guide. This tells the press what exactly to look for, what we want to emphasize most (esp. what's differentiating from other distros, etc). o Screenshots. thanks, leigh From cra at WPI.EDU Wed Jan 2 21:24:03 2008 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Chuck Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:24:03 -0500 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080102212403.GB5956@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Cross-posting to the Fedora advisory board list. Our inability to create > and nurture a bug triage community continues to be painful, and our current > QA resources within Red Hat continue to be (necessarily) technically > focused rather than community focused. This is a problem we need to solve. I think my IRC conversation during a recent Bug Day sums up the problems pretty well: Nov 19 13:39:04 how do I officially become part of the QA and bug triage team? Nov 19 13:43:01 i'd like to get the Release Notes updated to mention that Xinerama doesn't work and how to use xrandr to set up dual-head Nov 19 13:45:24 cra: I think you "show up" and you're part of the team. Nov 19 13:46:01 f13: but in the past i've tried to update bugs, and I don't have permission to do things like mark-duplicate, change product/release, etc. Nov 19 13:46:26 cra: you need to be in the fedora-bugs group I think, which all contributors were supposed to be added to I thought. Nov 19 13:57:05 cra: hopefully nothing official for either, but if there are blockers to getting involved let me know... chances are I have some extra bugzilla privs I don't know about that should be sorted out for everyone else There seems to be no official process to become a QA contributor or Bug Triager. Formalizing this process and documenting it would go a long way to improving things. Some things I think would be helpful: 1. Allow QA contributors to subscribe to certain products/components so they are CC'd on any new bugs in those areas. 2. Allow QA contributors to have the access rights on Bugzilla necessary to manage bugs, mark duplicates, etc. From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 21:35:14 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:14 -0600 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: <20080102212403.GB5956@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <20080102212403.GB5956@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2008 3:24 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > 1. Allow QA contributors to subscribe to certain products/components > so they are CC'd on any new bugs in those areas. I suppose you could do this using the 'watch' feature of bugzilla to watch the maintainer (though that may be more than you want). > 2. Allow QA contributors to have the access rights on Bugzilla > necessary to manage bugs, mark duplicates, etc. I'm in the fedorabugs group, didn't have access. Triaged a few via comments, and was given 'editbugs' and a few other things. Pretty much show up and work and you're in. I 100% agree that formalizing the process is required. From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 21:50:03 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:50:03 -0900 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: <20080102212403.GB5956@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <20080102212403.GB5956@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <604aa7910801021350t4f9fc152j2147577716fcd1c2@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 2, 2008 12:24 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > There seems to be no official process to become a QA contributor or > Bug Triager. Formalizing this process and documenting it would go a > long way to improving things. Here again, have a strong leader to drive the process would help immensely. I can't drive it, history has proven that. But I'd like to help. I'd love it if we'd be able to set aside a week every release, and just focus on driving people into the bugsquad and training them to do a good job at it. And we as a community make a commitment to do that every release to refill the ranks because getting people doing that job has high impact across the whole project. I expect a high turn over rate in triaging, because its not glorious. But its also a great entry-level way to contribute. I'd really like to see an organized push to place people interested in helping into the team with a Fedora community wide guidance at the beginning of their 6 month tour of duty. And then at the end of the tour, we integrate our experienced triagers into other areas of the project. But without someone to take the lead, I don't have a person whom I can directly support and bolster with by expert cheerleading abilities. -jef"now where did i put my megaphone?"spaleta From wdc at MIT.EDU Wed Jan 2 22:54:50 2008 From: wdc at MIT.EDU (William Cattey) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:54:50 -0500 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Great question earlier in the thread to ascertain scope. 3-4 FTEs to address a constant 8000 bug backlog seems eminently addressable. I agree that involving universities in the bug fixing is an excellent approach. In fact, I'd say that if you had the mentor available, you wouldn't need posters. There are students calling in with problems and solutions all the time. I think the key is to get those 3-4 FTEs in at the triage level so that instead of turning away our seed corn, it begins to grow! -Bill ---- William Cattey Linux Platform Coordinator MIT Information Services & Technology N42-040M, 617-253-0140, wdc at mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/wdc/www/ On Jan 2, 2008, at 11:00 AM, inode0 wrote: > On Jan 2, 2008 9:23 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Jon Stanley wrote: >> >>> I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a >>> reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be >>> frustrating >>> to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do >>> about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a >>> problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure >>> alot of us are on both. >> >> Handling this exact kind of problem is why bug triagers are worth >> their >> weight in gold. >> >> Because here's the thing: people don't expect all of their bugs to be >> magically fixed. (Well, some do, but it doesn't make good >> business sense >> or good community sense to cater to unreasonable people.) >> >> What they *do* expect is for someone to say, "gee, thanks for >> posting this >> bug, we'll set the priority accordingly and maybe poke a >> developer." And >> we fail pretty miserably at that. >> >> Cross-posting to the Fedora advisory board list. Our inability to >> create >> and nurture a bug triage community continues to be painful, and our >> current QA resources within Red Hat continue to be (necessarily) >> technically focused rather than community focused. This is a >> problem we >> need to solve. > > I know ideas are a dime a dozen but here is one idea anyway ... > > We've been discussing how universities can take a more active role in > helping students find suitable open source projects to participate in > and ways they can find a fit between their skills and the needs of > open source projects elsewhere. > > I think it would be immensely helpful to those of us at universities > who don't have a lot of direct access to students to have one > marketing tool available to us ... an eye-catching poster that we > could scatter around campus ... perhaps containing a short list of > fedora needs that don't require a lot of technical skill and an empty > spot where we might add some mentor contact information for anyone > interested. > > John > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Jan 3 07:40:14 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:40:14 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 Feature Status Message-ID: <477C915E.4080402@redhat.com> Happy New Year! I've updated http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Dashboard to reflect the latest proposed features. Lots of good things are happening. I've added a new section for features I've found on the wiki that say that they are targeted for Fedora 9, yet haven't been brought forward for official acceptance. In many cases the feature pages are really close, yet some sections are still blank. In order to have your feature accepted for Fedora 9 it does not have to be fully complete at this time. A completed feature page (all sections--including "not applicable" as necessary) is needed by so that FESCo has all the information it needs for consideration. The accepted feature page for Fedora 9 continues to grow here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList Thank you feature page owners and Fedora innovators! John From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Jan 3 14:12:36 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:12:36 +0000 Subject: Press Kit WAS Re: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <477BEA26.10200@redhat.com> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> <604aa7910801021141q7c4b91c4m1b7dea5400ed7adf@mail.gmail.com> <477BEA26.10200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1199369556.2721.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ok, following on from Leigh's advice, shall we try and flesh out what would go under some of these points? > We need a few things: > o Fedora Fast Facts: data that would be interesting to someone writing > an article: > o History * Fedora project founded in 2003 when Red Hat merged their open development process with the pre-existing Fedora Linux project. Official announcement here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-September/msg00064.html * First general release of Fedora Core 5th November 2003. * Merger of Core and Extras in 2008. *...urm any more history than this seems difficult to come by!? When did the Board come along? > o Differentiating points * Focus on upstream * Focus on free software * Hosted * People * Open build systems + spins ** Another section should really spell out what Fedora's goals are I think. Target audience perhaps (Controversial subject I know) and our primary goals and values as they provide a lot of insight into why certain decisions are made. > o Features/Functions > o Instructions for 'laypress' to download with most ease > o Reviewers' Guide. This tells the press what exactly to look for, > what we want to emphasize most (esp. what's differentiating from other > distros, etc). > o Screenshots. These last four are covered by the release summary are they not!? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary Obviously this all changes from release to release. Only thing I'm not sure about in the current release summary is the long list of links at the beginning - makes it look uglier and harder to access the main content - in my opinion. Maybe if we include this info in a press kit it could either a) be tidied up or b) only the essential information about features etc. Also, in this section I don't think it would hurt to emphasise where Fedora is the first distribution to do something - I think we did this with Pulse Audio in the last release quite well :) Thoughts and ideas!? Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Jan 3 14:13:58 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:13:58 +0000 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <477B658B.9080908@fedoraproject.org> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> <1199266518.2695.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477B658B.9080908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1199369638.2721.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Rahul, it all looks like it's interesting and should be useful at some point in the future :) Anybody got any ideas on how we can make use of this info? Maybe in the proposed Press Kit and the history section even?! Best wishes, Jon > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions and in the references. > People have done various studies on which vendors contribute how much to > the Linux kernel in particular and Red Hat in usually by a large margin > the leading contributor. That would probably be the same for GTK and > GNOME though I don't know of anyone doing any formal analysis. Then > there are other key pieces like Glibc, GCC and on more desktop neutral > stuff like HAL, DBus, Cairo, NetworkManager etc. > > From the volunteer community, there are a good number of people who > contribute to various upstream projects. A few examples, > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BryanSullivan (Mercurial upstream. Refer > http://lwn.net/Articles/153990/ for a interesting detail). > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HansdeGoede > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KevinKofler > > I am pretty sure there are several dozen more contributors such as these. From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Jan 3 14:15:39 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:15:39 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Feature Status In-Reply-To: <477C915E.4080402@redhat.com> References: <477C915E.4080402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1199369739.2721.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 23:40 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > Happy New Year! > > I've updated http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Dashboard to reflect > the latest proposed features. Thanks for keeping us updated John :) Hopefully we'll start making use of the awesome feature pages in marketing stuff shortly...certainly makes interviews a heck of a lot easier!! Best wishes, Jon From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Jan 3 14:41:36 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:41:36 +0900 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <1199369638.2721.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> <1199266518.2695.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <477B658B.9080908@fedoraproject.org> <1199369638.2721.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199371296.25152.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 14:13 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Thanks Rahul, it all looks like it's interesting and should be useful at > some point in the future :) Anybody got any ideas on how we can make use > of this info? Maybe in the proposed Press Kit and the history section > even?! > > Best wishes, > > Jon The overview page is quite good as well. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview Cheers, Marc From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jan 3 14:51:09 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:51:09 +0200 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <477CF65D.4000705@nicubunu.ro> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > Very interesting! > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1848 The question is: such a "war" would bring more or less users to Linux? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 3 14:45:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:15:32 +0530 Subject: Installing Fedora 8 on Hyper-V Message-ID: <477CF50C.1040103@fedoraproject.org> Hi Microsoft developer's article about Fedora as a guest in a Windows virtualized environment. http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2007/12/31/installing-fedora-core-8-on-hyper-v.aspx Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 3 15:52:08 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:22:08 +0530 Subject: dormant bugs and our perception In-Reply-To: <20080102212403.GB5956@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <20080102212403.GB5956@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <477D04A8.6020308@fedoraproject.org> Chuck Anderson wrote: > > There seems to be no official process to become a QA contributor or > Bug Triager. Formalizing this process and documenting it would go a > long way to improving things. There is a process outlined in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA#head-5234f50982dab35b93f474f5ba001b970c12e415 Is there something more you wanted? Rahul From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Jan 3 16:29:16 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:29:16 -0800 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <477BEA26.10200@redhat.com> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> <604aa7910801021141q7c4b91c4m1b7dea5400ed7adf@mail.gmail.com> <477BEA26.10200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <477D0D5C.2070008@redhat.com> Leigh Cantrell Day said the following on 01/02/2008 > > We need a few things: > o Fedora Fast Facts: data that would be interesting to someone writing > an article: > o History > o Differentiating points > o Features/Functions > o Instructions for 'laypress' to download with most ease > o Reviewers' Guide. This tells the press what exactly to look for, > what we want to emphasize most (esp. what's differentiating from other > distros, etc). > o Screenshots. > > thanks, > leigh > Could we meet with someone from Red Hat Communications during FUDCon to work on this and other marketing strategies for the release of Fedora 9 and FUDCon Boston 2008? John From fcrippa at byte-code.com Thu Jan 3 23:01:07 2008 From: fcrippa at byte-code.com (Francesco Crippa) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:01:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: FOSDEM 08 FEDORA SPEAKERS In-Reply-To: <3161376e0712140104p37aac262m956de8cfe7145307@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1416266063.7021199401267000.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> ----- "Frederic Hornain" wrote: > Dear *, > > The Fedora speakers recruitment for FOSDEM 08 started few weeks ago > and I still not have any candidate from Fedora/Red Hat community > -except Pawel for a presentation of Fedora - > So, in order to be fair and nice with our friend of CentOs and FOSDEM > visitors, I would need proposals from you. > If you can spread the words... > > You can register at the Fedora FOSDEM 08 wiki page. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2008 > [...] Hi *, I just added my name to attendees of Fosdem. For me, it'll be the first "Fedora Event" outside Italy with Ambassador role, and I'm looking forward to meet other Fedora enthusiasts to discuss about new projects and new opportunities (and improve my contribution to Fedora project) What do you think about a meeting to discuss the last details (speech, slides, materials and so on) for the event? See you then bye Francesco -- -------------------------------------------- Francesco Crippa http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 3 23:35:51 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:05:51 +0530 Subject: IcedTea 1.5 Adds PowerPC Java Port Message-ID: <477D7157.706@fedoraproject.org> Hi, This is a pretty good news and a solid improvement over OpenJDK. http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=19105 "The IcedTea project added a PowerPC Java port (both 32 and 64 bit) of OpenJDK. IcedTea 1.5 now also tracks the mercurial repo, provides better GNU/Linux integration by using standard system libraries (libpng, libjpeg, zlib, giflib) and can be bootstrapped with the free gcj/ecj/classpath toolchain. OpenJDK just accepted a new porters group and Gary Benson wrote a guide to porting IcedTea that might be the start of a lot of other Java ports." Rahul From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 4 10:44:06 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:44:06 +0100 Subject: FOSDEM 08 FEDORA SPEAKERS In-Reply-To: <1416266063.7021199401267000.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> References: <3161376e0712140104p37aac262m956de8cfe7145307@mail.gmail.com> <1416266063.7021199401267000.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> Message-ID: Generally we have meeting the day before (last year was on friday). regards Francesco 2008/1/4, Francesco Crippa : > > ----- "Frederic Hornain" wrote: > > Dear *, > > > > The Fedora speakers recruitment for FOSDEM 08 started few weeks ago > > and I still not have any candidate from Fedora/Red Hat community > > -except Pawel for a presentation of Fedora - > > So, in order to be fair and nice with our friend of CentOs and FOSDEM > > visitors, I would need proposals from you. > > If you can spread the words... > > > > You can register at the Fedora FOSDEM 08 wiki page. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2008 > > [...] > > Hi *, > > I just added my name to attendees of Fosdem. > > For me, it'll be the first "Fedora Event" outside Italy with Ambassador > role, and I'm looking forward to meet other Fedora enthusiasts to discuss > about new projects and new opportunities (and improve my contribution to > Fedora project) > > What do you think about a meeting to discuss the last details (speech, > slides, materials and so on) for the event? > > See you then > bye > > Francesco > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > Francesco Crippa > http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 20:11:51 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:11:51 -0500 Subject: Fwd: closing out old bugs of unmaintained releases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As part of a re-launch of the bug triage project [1,2], I believe that it would be beneficial to mass close the bugs that are for releases that are no longer maintained. Please find my proposal for this below. Sorry for cross-posting, but it's relevant across multiple communities within Fedora. I will be at FUDCon in order to discuss the very topic of the re-launch of the triage project. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-January/msg00009.html [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-January/msg00000.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jon Stanley Date: Jan 4, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: closing out old bugs of unmaintained releases To: fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com I can put some time this weekend into closing out old bugs, however, before doing so, I wanted to make sure that our messaging is crystal clear. What I had been doing for kernel bugs is placing them in NEEDINFO_REPORTER and asking if the problem still existed, etc after manually reviewing the bugs (some I changed to a current release because it was mentioned in comments, but not in the version metadata). However, this won't scale - there's no way that I or anybody else can reasonably review 3600 bugs for ones that are incorrectly tagged. This leaves us with ~9000 bugs (F7, F8, and rawhide) to deal with (still a monumental task). I propose doing something similar with rawhide bugs that haven't been touched in ~6 months, not sure of the number of those, haven't looked yet. Here's the proposed comment to WONTFIX these. I want to get the most input possible before doing this: Hello, Thank you for taking the time to report this bug. Unfortunately, this version of Fedora has reach end-of-life and is no longer maintained. Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle for an explanation of the Fedora lifecycle policy. We therefore regret the necessity of closing this bug report WONTFIX. Please upgrade to a currently maintained release of Fedora, currently either Fedora 7 or Fedora 8, and attempt to reproduce this bug. If the bug still exists, feel free to re-open this bug report, changing the version accordingly, or file a new bug report (you can use the 'Clone as Bug' link at the top of this bug report in order to preserve the content of this bug in the new one). We regret any inconvenience that this may cause you, and thank you for your continued support of Fedora! I propose starting with FC6, since that recently reached EOL and people would be understanding about it (hopefully). Comments/thoughts/suggestions/flames welcome. -- Jon Stanley Fedora Ambassador jstanley at fedoraproject.org From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jan 5 04:26:20 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:56:20 +0530 Subject: Is Red Hat still relevant? You bet. Message-ID: <477F06EC.2080700@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.montanalinux.org/redhat-relevent.html "Many Linux users don't seem to realize just how much Red Hat contributes back to the Linux community. They are major software developers on a number of projects not the least of which is the Linux kernel. The Fedora Project site has a page entitled Red Hat contributions to Free and Open Source software which lists most of Red Hat's contributions." Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Jan 5 18:23:53 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:23:53 +0000 Subject: "For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war" In-Reply-To: <477D0D5C.2070008@redhat.com> References: <477B3525.5050301@projetofedora.org> <477B0E2D.4070204@gmail.com> <1199249519.26650.45.camel@watson> <604aa7910801021141q7c4b91c4m1b7dea5400ed7adf@mail.gmail.com> <477BEA26.10200@redhat.com> <477D0D5C.2070008@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1199557433.2708.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Could we meet with someone from Red Hat Communications during FUDCon to > work on this and other marketing strategies for the release of Fedora 9 > and FUDCon Boston 2008? Any word back on this? Jon From stickster at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 20:03:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:03:17 -0500 Subject: Is Red Hat still relevant? You bet. In-Reply-To: <477F06EC.2080700@fedoraproject.org> References: <477F06EC.2080700@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1199563397.3652.147.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 09:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://www.montanalinux.org/redhat-relevent.html > > "Many Linux users don't seem to realize just how much Red Hat > contributes back to the Linux community. They are major software > developers on a number of projects not the least of which is the Linux > kernel. The Fedora Project site has a page entitled Red Hat > contributions to Free and Open Source software which lists most of Red > Hat's contributions." Adding this page on the wiki was a great move, Rahul. I like to point people to it when I meet them in my local LUG, especially when I hear any rumblings that sound like doubt about Red Hat's commitment to free and open source software. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Sat Jan 5 21:37:01 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:37:01 -0500 Subject: StoreSIG: Moving Forward Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> With the holidays over and the new year started I wanted to bring this back up. For those not in the loop, I am referring to the Store SIG [1]. I know Max has been busy with FUDcon, so let's see what we can get done on this. A lot of this we should be able to piece together to the point of proposing a solution that we can run by Max and/or the Board. It looks like we have six open action items currently. * "Create mockup/requirements page on the wiki that starts laying out ideas for what a store.fedoraproject.org could look like." I don't think we have a mockup page out there yet. From the IRC meetings late last year I think we have a set of general requirements (still open for discussion at this point), which are: - A simple portal, we want to start simple with a page that helps get people to the right place. - The portal would include links off to a section for Fedora users who just want to order a T-shirt, key ring, stickers, etc. This link will most likely be to someone like Spreadshirt or REVELinux. There would also be link(s) off to a main distributor page listing who can provide Fedora Ambassadors with items in bulk. A distributor list has been already been started [2]. - The main portal page should highlight products from the store site we use for Fedora users - In summary, Max's vision for the portal was: "And I envision store.fp.o as being a fedora-branded page that kind of collects all this stuff up and presents it nicely" * "More in-depth chat with REVElinux as a potential distributor." I am not aware of this chat having happened yet. Does anyone know any different? Does anyone know what specifically we wanted to cover in this chat and work out? * "Publicize and populate the companies that Ambassadors have used to mass-produce Fedora items." - The initial page has been created and an email sent to the Ambassadors list asking for further additions. I will send another email out regarding this page so we can catch people back from the holidays now. The page is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors * "Log in to http://fedora-fr.spreadshirt.net/ and see how it operates." I have looked around the site. If we can get a few others to do so and provide feedback that would be good. * "Make a list, based on geography, of potential online distributors." The current list is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors Hearing additional feedback on the places listed would be helpful. * "Add to the list of proposed items." We have quite the list going here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/ProposedItems And this brings us to where we left off before the holidays. From where I type I see the following as the things we need to work on in order to continue forward. - We need a mockup of the portal page. Some basic requirements of the page are listed in this email. We have two names associated with the task now, one of which is Max who I am sure is swamped. My mockup skills are near non-existent, but I can work on getting the general requirements up on the Wiki for reference. If anyone wants to jump in and help with a basic mockup, that would be much appreciated. - We need to determine which online vendor to set our store front up with. From our last chats I think the main front runners were Spreadshirt and REVELinux depending on the results of that conversation with them. This is still open for discussion, so please voice your input. Once those two items are figured out we should be well on our way to having a store portal page to help Fedora users and Fedora Ambassadors have a one-stop spot for getting Fedora merchandise. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Jan 6 12:52:40 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:52:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: StoreSIG: Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > With the holidays over and the new year started I wanted to bring this > back up. For those not in the loop, I am referring to the Store SIG > [1]. I know Max has been busy with FUDcon, so let's see what we can > get done on this. A lot of this we should be able to piece together > to the point of proposing a solution that we can run by Max and/or the > Board. Jeff, Thank you for taking the lead on this -- FUDCon is taking up all my time right now. I encourage everyone to follow Jeff's lead! ;) --Max From fzied at dottn.com Sun Jan 6 16:02:00 2008 From: fzied at dottn.com (Zied Fakhfakh) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:02:00 +0100 Subject: IcedTea 1.5 Adds PowerPC Java Port In-Reply-To: <477D7157.706@fedoraproject.org> References: <477D7157.706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Big applauses On Jan 4, 2008 12:35 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > This is a pretty good news and a solid improvement over OpenJDK. > > http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=19105 > > "The IcedTea project added a PowerPC Java port (both 32 and 64 bit) of > OpenJDK. IcedTea 1.5 now also tracks the mercurial repo, provides better > GNU/Linux integration by using standard system libraries (libpng, > libjpeg, zlib, giflib) and can be bootstrapped with the free > gcj/ecj/classpath toolchain. OpenJDK just accepted a new porters group > and Gary Benson wrote a guide to porting IcedTea that might be the start > of a lot of other Java ports." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- Zied Fakhfakh Dot TN - CTO Centre Molka, Esc E, Bur 17 Manar 2 - 2092 - Tunis Tunisia T : +216 71 886112 F : +216 71 885499 M : +216 22 535604 W : http://www.dottn.com GPG Key : gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys D2F4EE8C From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 21:05:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:05:58 -0500 Subject: StoreSIG: Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1199653558.2356.114.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 16:37 -0500, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > And this brings us to where we left off before the holidays. From > where I type I see the following as the things we need to work on in > order to continue forward. > > - We need a mockup of the portal page. Some basic requirements of the > page are listed in this email. We have two names associated with the > task now, one of which is Max who I am sure is swamped. My mockup > skills are near non-existent, but I can work on getting the general > requirements up on the Wiki for reference. If anyone wants to jump in > and help with a basic mockup, that would be much appreciated. You could try contacting the Artwork team, which has a design service for just this need: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService I'm cc'ing their list with followups here to f-marketing-l. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have two names associated with the > > task now, one of which is Max who I am sure is swamped. My mockup > > skills are near non-existent, but I can work on getting the general > > requirements up on the Wiki for reference. If anyone wants to jump in > > and help with a basic mockup, that would be much appreciated. > > You could try contacting the Artwork team, which has a design service > for just this need: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > > I'm cc'ing their list with followups here to f-marketing-l. > I thought Mizmo was a part of this SIG anyways? Cheers, Marc P.S. Sorry Mairin but I don't know how to set the accent From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 23:57:26 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:57:26 -0500 Subject: StoreSIG: Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <1199654393.20753.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> <1199653558.2356.114.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1199654393.20753.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1199663846.2356.190.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 06:19 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 16:05 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 16:37 -0500, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > > And this brings us to where we left off before the holidays. From > > > where I type I see the following as the things we need to work on in > > > order to continue forward. > > > > > > - We need a mockup of the portal page. Some basic requirements of the > > > page are listed in this email. We have two names associated with the > > > task now, one of which is Max who I am sure is swamped. My mockup > > > skills are near non-existent, but I can work on getting the general > > > requirements up on the Wiki for reference. If anyone wants to jump in > > > and help with a basic mockup, that would be much appreciated. > > > > You could try contacting the Artwork team, which has a design service > > for just this need: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > > > > I'm cc'ing their list with followups here to f-marketing-l. > > > > I thought Mizmo was a part of this SIG anyways? Might be, I didn't have time to check the membership. There are others who might want to contribute design time, though. :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Jan 7 02:02:38 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:02:38 -0500 Subject: StoreSIG: Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <1199653558.2356.114.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <10e0a9b00801051337l69aebd1es505181ef4d9af078@mail.gmail.com> <1199653558.2356.114.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801061802x4ffc974ase80a5ad2b812adcf@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 6, 2008 4:05 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > You could try contacting the Artwork team, which has a design service > for just this need: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService > > I'm cc'ing their list with followups here to f-marketing-l. Thanks Paul! I have also created a general requirements page on the wiki to help give people an idea of what we are looking for. That page is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/GeneralRequirements Anyone interested, feel free to post to the list with questions or contact me on IRC with questions, I can be found in #fedora-mktg as iWolf. Thanks! Jeffrey From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 7 14:35:48 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:05:48 +0530 Subject: Improved Ogg Theora coming soon to an Internet near you Message-ID: <478238C4.7030803@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linux.com/feature/123869 "Monty says the Theora converter is "obsolete by 10 years," that he's now writing a "real encoder" for Theora, and that it will "be another couple of months until its mainline release." He also says a lot of the problems with the original Theora code and encoder aren't because they're buggy in the usual sense, but because the original codebase was "written by people who were self-taught," and that their lack of experience shows. On the Windows and DirectShow front, Monty says Xiph lost one of its most talented Windows coders -- he went to work for Microsoft -- and that one of his dreams is to be able to hire volunteer Xiph coder Timothy Terriberry to work on the project full-time. (Monty himself works for Red Hat on free media software.)" Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Jan 7 15:08:01 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:08:01 +0200 Subject: Improved Ogg Theora coming soon to an Internet near you In-Reply-To: <478238C4.7030803@fedoraproject.org> References: <478238C4.7030803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47824051.9050208@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > http://www.linux.com/feature/123869 > > "Monty says the Theora converter is "obsolete by 10 years," that he's > now writing a "real encoder" for Theora, and that it will "be another > couple of months until its mainline release." So will this be one of the features we will have (and talk about) in F9? Personally, I would prefer to stay with a worse codec in exchange with a working editor (like a PiTiVi able to save videos). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 7 15:04:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:34:58 +0530 Subject: Improved Ogg Theora coming soon to an Internet near you In-Reply-To: <47824051.9050208@nicubunu.ro> References: <478238C4.7030803@fedoraproject.org> <47824051.9050208@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <47823F9A.2090009@fedoraproject.org> Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> >> http://www.linux.com/feature/123869 >> >> "Monty says the Theora converter is "obsolete by 10 years," that he's >> now writing a "real encoder" for Theora, and that it will "be another >> couple of months until its mainline release." > > So will this be one of the features we will have (and talk about) in F9? Doubt it. CC'ed anyway. > Personally, I would prefer to stay with a worse codec in exchange with a > working editor (like a PiTiVi able to save videos). No reason it has to be either or thing. Rahul From caillon at redhat.com Mon Jan 7 16:21:46 2008 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:21:46 +0100 Subject: Improved Ogg Theora coming soon to an Internet near you In-Reply-To: <47824051.9050208@nicubunu.ro> References: <478238C4.7030803@fedoraproject.org> <47824051.9050208@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4782519A.1050807@redhat.com> On 01/07/2008 04:08 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Personally, I would prefer to stay with a worse codec in exchange with a > working editor (like a PiTiVi able to save videos). So, write the working editor, and add the codecs to your yum --excludes list so you stay with the worse one. ;-) From david at lovesunix.net Mon Jan 7 16:38:11 2008 From: david at lovesunix.net (David Nielsen) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:38:11 +0100 Subject: Improved Ogg Theora coming soon to an Internet near you In-Reply-To: <47824051.9050208@nicubunu.ro> References: <478238C4.7030803@fedoraproject.org> <47824051.9050208@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1199723891.3067.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> man, 07 01 2008 kl. 17:08 +0200, skrev Nicu Buculei: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > > > http://www.linux.com/feature/123869 > > > > "Monty says the Theora converter is "obsolete by 10 years," that he's > > now writing a "real encoder" for Theora, and that it will "be another > > couple of months until its mainline release." > > So will this be one of the features we will have (and talk about) in F9? > > Personally, I would prefer to stay with a worse codec in exchange with a > working editor (like a PiTiVi able to save videos). I suspect that an update to gstreamer to match the new encoder would follow this work rather swiftly so pitivi should work. But let's wait and see what happens. - David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We will cover the open action items listed on the SIG page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store We are still looking for a volunteer for a mock up of the store.fedoraproject.org page. If you are interested, please stop by the meeting or email the list and we can answer any questions you may have. Thanks! Jeffrey From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 04:58:54 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:58:54 -0600 Subject: Store SIG Meeting - 1/9 In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00801072019q412026f6wc1bcd5c18bf10906@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00801072019q412026f6wc1bcd5c18bf10906@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4783030E.40900@gmail.com> Not sure if I'll be around at all to participate, due to apartment hunting away from my current location. I can forward any info I have on RELinux right now if needed. Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > As I will be unable to attend FUDcon this time around, I would like to > have a brief Store SIG meeting this Wednesday (1/9) at our normally > scheduled time, 18:00 UTC in #fedora-mktg. We will cover the open > action items listed on the SIG page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store > > We are still looking for a volunteer for a mock up of the > store.fedoraproject.org page. If you are interested, please stop by > the meeting or email the list and we can answer any questions you may > have. > > Thanks! > Jeffrey > > -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From fcrippa at byte-code.com Tue Jan 8 11:14:07 2008 From: fcrippa at byte-code.com (Francesco Crippa) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:14:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Ambassadors] xing - Membership In-Reply-To: <1199739937.4165.2.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <62696494.8851199790847993.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> ----- "Gerold Kassube" wrote: > Dear *, > > I created on XING (former openBC) a new "group" called "Fedora > Ambassadors" in which I want to invite you all to join. > > At the moment this group is only "modereated" by myself, but if you > willing also to do so, please let me know :-) > [...] +1 why don't we open a group also on Linkedin? There're a lot of "fedorans" in mugshot with a Linkedin account... and I think could be a good marketing opportunity to increase fedora visibility into social networks. If you agree (or not disagree) with this idea, I can try to open a new group. (I'm thinking about a script in order to automate mass-scale group subscription... ;-) let me know. Bye Francesco -- -------------------------------------------- Francesco Crippa http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa From linux at elfshadow.net Wed Jan 9 01:26:46 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:26:46 -0500 Subject: Store SIG Meeting - 1/9 In-Reply-To: <4783030E.40900@gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00801072019q412026f6wc1bcd5c18bf10906@mail.gmail.com> <4783030E.40900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801081726o72ce8f89s6a1fb6ab0632555e@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 7, 2008 11:58 PM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Not sure if I'll be around at all to participate, due to apartment > hunting away from my current location. I can forward any info I have on > RELinux right now if needed. No worries! If you can forward the info that would be great. I will try to add more notes to the wiki so people can view and help determine a store front to go with. Thanks! Jeffrey From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 10 01:33:25 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:33:25 -0500 Subject: Store SIG Meeting - 1/9 (Meeting Log) In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00801072019q412026f6wc1bcd5c18bf10906@mail.gmail.com> References: <10e0a9b00801072019q412026f6wc1bcd5c18bf10906@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080110013325.GS32387@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> 12:57 < iWolf> Store SIG meeting in 3 minutes. 12:58 -!- Karlik [n=Karlik at fedora/Karlik] has joined #fedora-mktg 13:00 < iWolf> Okay. Who is here for the Store SIG meeting? 13:02 < tw2113> thought it was friday 13:02 -!- bpepple|lt [n=bpepple|@adsl-75-60-216-220.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit "Ex-Chat" 13:02 < iWolf> tw2113: nope, Wednesday. Unless I mess up typing it somewhere... :) 13:03 < tw2113> no, i messed up 13:03 < tw2113> i had friday on the brain 13:03 < tw2113> i'll be around then 13:03 < iWolf> You're Michael? 13:03 < tw2113> yeah 13:03 < iWolf> I will give it till about 5 after and then go over the list of things. See if we get anyone else here. 13:03 < iWolf> Thanks for the email, that helped answer some questions about REVELinux. 13:04 * Sparks is in the background 13:04 < tw2113> ;) 13:04 * iWolf nods 13:04 -!- nihed2 [n=ikanawa at 41.224.210.220] has joined #fedora-mktg 13:05 * ricky is here. 13:05 < iWolf> Okay, lets get started, even if it is a small crowd. 13:05 -!- tux_440volt [n=subhodip at 125.20.11.34] has quit Remote closed the connection 13:05 < iWolf> First up is the mockup and general requirements portion. 13:06 < iWolf> I have a list of general requirements here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/GeneralRequirements 13:06 < iWolf> I am still looking for someone to help with the mockup. My skills in that arena are minimal. 13:06 < iWolf> I think the requirements page covers most of what we have talked about in the past. 13:07 < ricky> Perhaps we can take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService 13:07 < ricky> (And once we get a mockup, bring it up on fedora-websites-list) 13:07 < iWolf> I think that's my next place to solicit. 13:08 < iWolf> I will submit our proposal to them and see if we get some help from that end. 13:09 < iWolf> If no one else has something to add, we can move to the next item. 13:09 < iWolf> - a more in-depth chat with REVELinux. 13:09 < ricky> The main thing is to make the purpose of the site very clear- that last email was useful. 13:09 < tw2113> if someone wants to pick that up, they have my blessing 13:10 < iWolf> tw2113: forewarded me an email dialog, I plan on parsing that and I will add more info to the Potential Distributors page. 13:10 < tw2113> i know Max wanted to be in on it 13:10 < iWolf> ricky: in regards to the Artwork DesignService? 13:11 < ricky> iWolf: For getting started with website stuff in general. 13:11 < iWolf> tw2113: I plan on getting some of the facts together and running them by Max before we go anywhere, just hoping to take some of the legwork off his plate. 13:11 < iWolf> ricky: cool, they look a good option to start with. 13:12 < iWolf> I can dig into it a bit more with REVELinux. 13:12 < tw2113> yeah, i'm sure he's quite busy 13:12 < iWolf> Next up, the bulk items for Ambassadors. 13:12 < iWolf> We have that page started in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors 13:13 < iWolf> It's open for people to add vendors too and will be the basis for bulk orders I think - unless our chosen vendor can price things really well for bulk. 13:13 < iWolf> We just need to get some more folks to add distributors. 13:13 < iWolf> Anything to add on this item? 13:14 < ricky> Has anybody posted to fedora-ambassadors-list about this yet? 13:14 < ricky> I don't remember catching anything about that, but it could just be me. 13:14 < Sparks> Should there be sort of agreement between Fedora and the supplier? 13:14 < iWolf> ricky: I think my last email was sent to marketing list, you are right, I should have sent it straight to the Ambassador list as well. 13:15 < Sparks> ricky: I remember something coming across the list a while back...Nothing lately. 13:15 < iWolf> ricky: I sent an email regarding the Ambasador Vendor page to the Ambassador list on 1/6 13:16 < iWolf> My other emails so far have been to the marketing list. 13:16 * couf puts link in: http://www.magentocommerce.com/ (seems to be pretty good platform to start off) 13:16 < iWolf> couf: Thanks! 13:16 < ricky> Oh, I see it - my mistake. 13:16 < iWolf> couf: feel free to add any pros and cons that may be associated with it. 13:17 < iWolf> ricky: no worries! 13:17 < couf> iWolf: need to test it myself, but will do 13:17 < ricky> couf: I didn't think we wanted to handle the eCommerce-type stuff ourself. 13:17 < iWolf> Sparks: as for an agreement, I don't think there will be one more than choosing a vendor to work through and signing up. 13:18 < couf> ricky: it can work as a frontend as well, or so I read somewhere (can't find the page though) 13:18 < ricky> (I was hoping that the vendor site would handle the card/payments, merchandise, etc.) 13:18 < ricky> I'm guessing that Infrastructure would lean towards generated static pages or such as well. 13:18 < iWolf> Yeah, I would error towards simplicity. 13:18 < couf> sure, just putting a pointer :-) 13:19 < iWolf> Let the vendor site handle the harder stuff to keep from overburdening the infrastructure team. 13:19 < couf> absolutly 13:19 < iWolf> If it the store gets really popular the decisions can be re-evaluated then. 13:19 < iWolf> couf: thanks for the link though. 13:19 < ricky> But wow, that's looking really nice in general. 13:20 < iWolf> Okay, next up. 13:20 < iWolf> Look at fedora-fr.spreadshirt.net 13:21 < iWolf> I've poked around a bit, seems pretty typical of some of our other options. 13:21 < iWolf> So I am thinking shipping terms, international availability, etc will have a bigger factor in choosing a vendor. 13:21 < iWolf> Any thoughts? 13:22 < couf> if we can't get that: 1 per region? 13:22 < ricky> Was there an English version of that, by the way? 13:22 -!- nihed1 [n=ikanawa at 41.224.209.223] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 13:22 < iWolf> couf: that may be what we end up with. 13:22 < couf> right 13:23 < iWolf> couf: I am hoping we can avoid too many simply from trying to avoid too much work for designers to upload work. 13:23 < iWolf> ricky: :) I didn't see one when I looked. I may have missed it! 13:24 < ricky> That's just a side note for that particular interface, though - I think spreadshirt has an English site. 13:24 < couf> nah it's french only 13:25 < couf> that is the fedora-fr part, spreadshirt supports most languages 13:25 < iWolf> Yeah, spreadshirt can do english sites as well. 13:25 < iWolf> Spreadshirt seemed nice, but if you set up a US store, they want to ship from that store Internationally. 13:25 < iWolf> Which kicks the shipping up. 13:25 < couf> bummer :-/ 13:26 < iWolf> I was hoping they could handle the multiple regions for us, since it seems they have locations in multiple places. 13:26 < Sparks> Setup different stores for each region? 13:26 < iWolf> I still need to follow-up with them though. I only received a canned reply back so far. 13:27 < iWolf> Sparks: I would like to find a vendor that can handle that for us, that way a designer only needs to upload artwork to one place and not 5 or 6 different stores. 13:27 < Sparks> True... 13:27 < iWolf> It may be that spreadshirt could tie multiple stores into one account for us. That's the part I need to follow up on. 13:28 < iWolf> We have our initial list of vendors here: 13:28 < iWolf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors 13:28 < iWolf> Feel free to add Pros and COns up there for anyone you have worked with or from information you find on their site. 13:28 < iWolf> I may be overlooking an option. 13:29 < iWolf> Right now the front runners for me are spreadshirt and REVELinux, but I would like to see some more input on that. 13:29 < iWolf> And the last item is the proposed item list: 13:30 < tw2113> no complaint from me 13:30 < iWolf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/ProposedItems 13:30 < iWolf> We have lots of items there. 13:31 < iWolf> So not much needs done there. The vendor we choose will dictate some of what we can sell. 13:31 < ricky> So the first thing on the list is to contact/decide on a vendor, right? 13:32 < ricky> It'd give us a much more solid basis to work on web stuff, etc. 13:32 < iWolf> Yeah, a vendor choice is needing to be made. 13:32 < iWolf> I think we just need to post a bit more info about some of them to make a decision from. 13:32 < iWolf> I have the email tw2113 forwarded from REVEL and I have some dialog with Spreadshirt. 13:33 < iWolf> ricky: do you think the mockup piece will need a definite vendor chosen? 13:33 < iWolf> ricky: or just the web work itself? 13:33 < ricky> It'd help to know some specifics, but that might be a question for the art team as well. 13:34 < iWolf> ricky: okay. 13:34 < tw2113> from what i remember, the purpose of our local frontend was just to direct traffic 13:34 < tw2113> if you're an ambassador, here are your links at such n such vendor 13:34 < tw2113> if you're a casual user, here are your links 13:34 < iWolf> tw2113: yep, though we want to showcase some of the goods as well, but primarly we just want direct people. 13:34 < iWolf> tw2113: yep, just like that. 13:35 < tw2113> wet their mouths! 13:35 < iWolf> :) 13:35 < tw2113> we want them licking their monitors while they click their link 13:35 < iWolf> Here is what I see the next major action items as. 13:35 < ricky> Heh. 13:35 * tw2113 cleans monitor 13:35 < iWolf> Solicit the Art Design team for help on a mock up. And determine the vendor. 13:35 < iWolf> LOL 13:37 < iWolf> If the Design team needs to know a specific vendor for the mockup, hopefully we can just get a helper with the mockup and get them that info as soon as we can. 13:37 < iWolf> For the vendor, I would like to see some more pros and cons put out on the wiki and then present it to the group and Max. 13:37 < iWolf> Thoughts? 13:40 < iWolf> Okay. We'll say that's a plan! If you disagree, feel free to ping me or post to the list. 13:40 < couf> +1 it's good 13:41 < iWolf> couf: Thanks! 13:41 < Sparks> Looks like a plan 13:41 < iWolf> Does anyone have anything else to add? 13:41 * couf needs to run 13:41 < iWolf> If not, we'll adjourn the meeting. 13:41 < couf> thanks iWolf for taking this up 13:41 < iWolf> No worries. 13:42 < iWolf> Thanks everyone for coming to the meeting. 13:42 < iWolf> It is much appreciated. 13:42 < tw2113> i had nothing 13:42 < iWolf> ======= Meeting Adjourned ======== 13:43 < iWolf> I will update the wiki and we can go from there. Thanks again! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 10 04:00:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:30:05 +0530 Subject: Red =?windows-1252?q?Hat=92s_Mugshot?= Message-ID: <47859845.5010600@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=154 "Today I discovered that Red Hat Linux has created a new social networking site call Mugshot. This site is promoted as an ?open source? site. I checked the site FAQ to find out that all the software powering Mugshot is, in fact, open source. And indeed it is. The developer site for Mug Shot is right here. I have to say that I was hoping that the very idea of an open source social site would reach beyond the software being open source. I was thinking that maybe the development of the features and interface might also go, somehow, the way of open source. BUT - I am very pleased with what I have seen. This site, in my opinion, goes well beyond that of Myspace and Facebook. " Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 10 06:01:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:31:41 +0530 Subject: LWN articles on Fedora Message-ID: <4785B4C5.6030509@fedoraproject.org> Hi Looking back at 2007 http://lwn.net/Articles/262653/ "Fedora will come into its own as a free, community-oriented distribution" has, beyond any doubt, come true. The Fedora 7 release brought community developers in from the margins, and Fedora 8 solidified the new process. The bulk of the packages in Fedora are now maintained by community developers. Red Hat's controlling hand, while still clearly present, is weaker than before. Fedora leader Max Spevack has presided over a crucial transformation of this important project; he will be moving on to other challenges early in 2008, but will be leaving behind a distribution in far better shape than the one he inherited a few years ago. ---- Distributions 2007 review http://lwn.net/Articles/262092/ "Fedora: Fedora made great strides in becoming true community distribution with the merger of Core and Extras. 2007 saw the release of both Fedora 7 and Fedora 8, both excellent desktops/workstations. Max Spevack led the project through the merger and announced his resignation at the end of the year. This week's DistroWatch had the comment that "despite all these positives, the distribution still fails to attract first-time Linux users who sometimes complain about the lack of a central configuration utility or the overly technical nature of the operating system." This led to a discussion on the Fedora Marketing list. There seems to be some agreement that Fedora does expect its users to be somewhat clueful, and that's the way we like it. " ---- Insufficiently Free? This one is primarily about the debate/flamewar between RMS and OpenBSD developers but mentions the nature of Free software distributions too. http://lwn.net/Articles/262400/ "Many of us will be using distributions like Fedora or Debian which are strongly committed to the creation of free systems. The developers behind these distributions have gone to considerable trouble to be sure that everything which is part of their system is truly free software, even when, as has happened at times, the result has been trouble for users. These distributors have clearly advanced the cause of free software greatly through their efforts over many years. One might well wonder just why Mr. Stallman cannot bring himself to recommend the result of this work. Rahul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Jan 12 04:39:04 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:39:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: New Fedora Project Leader! Digg it up. Message-ID: http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_Project_Hires_New_Leader -Mike From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Jan 12 04:41:59 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:41:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: New Fedora Project Leader! Digg it up. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_Project_Hires_New_Leader Links back to: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-January/msg00003.html --Max From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Jan 12 19:05:34 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:05:34 +0000 Subject: FUDCon Message-ID: <1200164734.9949.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> To all FUDCon attendees - I realise you're all going to be really busy and enjoying it all (just looked over the schedules and it looks like it should be *awesome*) but... Anybody with an interest in marketing there think we should see about putting together reports about what's going on in the hackfests? Or is something like this already being done? This is my own particular focus and if I was there I'd probably be annoying everyone asking questions about their work all the time! Definitely think this is the kind of stuff that needs promotion... Also any information about any of it for promotional purposes would be great!! Sorry if people are already doing it - wish I could have made it myself... Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jan 13 05:10:03 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:40:03 +0530 Subject: FUDCon Raleigh 2008 Video Message-ID: <47899D2B.3030305@fedoraproject.org> Hi Matt Domsch from Dell talks about his long term involvmement in Fedora and his current work on mirror manager software. J5 and Karsten Wade from Red Hat talks making developers efficient and lowering barrier to entry and J5's new project called MyFedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/MirrorManager http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora http://www.linux.com/feature/124570 "This is a special edition of Weekly Wire, made on location at the Fedora User and Developers Conference (FUDCon) in Raleigh, N. Carolina. This video gives you a look at how FUDCon operates and introduces you to some of the participants." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jan 13 05:11:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:41:24 +0530 Subject: Upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit Fedora Linux without a system reinstall Message-ID: <47899D7C.8050100@fedoraproject.org> Hi Not sure if this is worth the effort. Maybe we should look at making the transition more easier. http://www.linux.com/feature/123800 "Updating from Fedora 7 i386 to Fedora 8 x86_64 isn't supported, and many folks will tell you to just reinstall in order to move to a 64-bit Linux. However, I managed to resolve the main problems when doing a yum update in a single day. Your mileage will vary depending on what third-party repositories you're using, how much software you've installed by hand, and how dependent your software is on the system libraries." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jan 13 05:44:49 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:14:49 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 review (Russian) Message-ID: <4789A551.9050805@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.tux.in.ua/articles/107 Rough translation of the summary: "Until recently, I must admit I was not very fond of Fedora as a desktop system but we can say Fedora 8 surpassed all my expectations. All equipment is configured out of the box, the defaults are picked up with taste and menus are all in place. The settings are simple and understandable. The developers have managed to add stability to the system and pay greater attention to security issues. Well Fedora 8 justifies it's title. It really changed my attitude to it. Linux forever!" Rahul From gelios at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 09:46:14 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:46:14 +0300 Subject: Fedora 8 review (Russian) In-Reply-To: <4789A551.9050805@fedoraproject.org> References: <4789A551.9050805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <448999300801130146u5e0db2e2sb9340b1896272855@mail.gmail.com> On 1/13/08, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > http://www.tux.in.ua/articles/107 > > Rough translation of the summary: > > "Until recently, I must admit I was not very fond of Fedora as a desktop > system but we can say Fedora 8 surpassed all my expectations. All > equipment is configured out of the box, the defaults are picked up with > taste and menus are all in place. The settings are simple and > understandable. The developers have managed to add stability to the > system and pay greater attention to security issues. Well Fedora 8 > justifies it's title. It really changed my attitude to it. Linux forever!" > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Nice review! It's very rare now when author really install fedora before writing review or compare fredora/*buntu systems :) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Jan 13 11:55:20 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:25:20 +0530 Subject: Fedora gets a new project leader Message-ID: <4789FC28.9030005@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9849461-16.html?tag=head "Isn't it interesting that someone could have such a big impact on Red Hat as Paul has...without working for Red Hat? That's the power of open source. Merit before bureaucracy." Rahul From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Jan 13 15:44:53 2008 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:44:53 +0200 Subject: FUDCon In-Reply-To: <1200164734.9949.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200164734.9949.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6d4237680801130744j20bacac0vaf5d6366b69e447f@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 12, 2008 9:05 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Anybody with an interest in marketing there think we should see about > putting together reports about what's going on in the hackfests? Or is > something like this already being done? This is my own particular focus > and if I was there I'd probably be annoying everyone asking questions > about their work all the time! Definitely think this is the kind of > stuff that needs promotion... I think everyone around is working on something and haven't seen much going in terms of getting the word out on what's happening. Will try to get people to blog a bit. I'm positive everyone would be happy to talk on what they're hacking on. Exciting stuff happening and just yesterday we were discussing that we could definitely be more verbose about our stuff. :-) > Also any information about any of it for promotional purposes would be > great!! Sorry if people are already doing it - wish I could have made it > myself... Maybe emailing a set of Qs to people here could get something going? I could ask around who's like to talk a bit about what they've done. Hope next time you're here though! -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From siddharth at techbugs.org Sun Jan 13 16:57:43 2008 From: siddharth at techbugs.org (Siddharth Upmanyu) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:27:43 +0530 Subject: Fedora gets a new project leader In-Reply-To: <4789FC28.9030005@fedoraproject.org> References: <4789FC28.9030005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On 1/13/08, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9849461-16.html?tag=head > > "Isn't it interesting that someone could have such a big impact on Red > Hat as Paul has...without working for Red Hat? That's the power of open > source. Merit before bureaucracy." > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Impressive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sun Jan 13 17:15:47 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:15:47 +0000 Subject: FUDCon In-Reply-To: <6d4237680801130744j20bacac0vaf5d6366b69e447f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1200164734.9949.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6d4237680801130744j20bacac0vaf5d6366b69e447f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200244547.16405.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks for the reply Dimitris :) > I think everyone around is working on something and haven't seen much > going in terms of getting the word out on what's happening. Will try > to get people to blog a bit. That for a start would be awesome - would give us a great starting place to start mining material from! > I'm positive everyone would be happy to talk on what they're hacking > on. Exciting stuff happening and just yesterday we were discussing > that we could definitely be more verbose about our stuff. :-) Ah I'm glad to hear it...you all do great work imho and deserve the credit that goes along with it; if anybody has anything they'd particularly like hand talking about/getting attention for then point them in this direction and we can definitely try and help as best we can :) > > Also any information about any of it for promotional purposes would be > > great!! Sorry if people are already doing it - wish I could have made it > > myself... > > Maybe emailing a set of Qs to people here could get something going? I > could ask around who's like to talk a bit about what they've done. I'll try and put out a more detailed set of questions aimed at individual projects later, but if you happened to come across some developers wanting to talk maybe point them to this brief, generic list, and get them to jot down their replies somewhere - on this list even! I'll post to my blog too, as I guess some people will see planet but not this list... 1) What is the project that you're working on? 2) What does it do!? 3) Why is this so cool?! i.e. why should end-users/sys-admins/developers care about the work that you're doing... 4) Are you hoping that you're work will benefit upstream as well? 5) What's the atmosphere been like at FUDCon? Has it been good/productive to work with people face to face who you'd normally only see on lists and IRC? I know this is generic and vague, and probably not the best medium for distributing this info! I'll try and do better later :) Oh, and people should feel free to add their own questions and comments! Hope you all have a super time, and thanks again for the reply, Jon From eric at christensenplace.us Sun Jan 13 21:40:32 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:40:32 -0500 Subject: Upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit Fedora Linux without a system reinstall In-Reply-To: <47899D7C.8050100@fedoraproject.org> References: <47899D7C.8050100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <478A8550.1030503@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wouldn't that require many packages to be reinstalled if they have a 64-bit package? That could vary wildly from the "default" packages to all of them. I guess it could be possible for yum to know what packages have 64-bit versions and be able to swap them out. It could be automated. I'm not sure how often it would be used, though. I went from F7 64-bit to F8 32-bit last time around just because I had so many problems getting the non-open source software to function properly. Eric Rahul Sundaram wrote: | Hi | | Not sure if this is worth the effort. Maybe we should look at making the | transition more easier. | | http://www.linux.com/feature/123800 | | "Updating from Fedora 7 i386 to Fedora 8 x86_64 isn't supported, and | many folks will tell you to just reinstall in order to move to a 64-bit | Linux. However, I managed to resolve the main problems when doing a yum | update in a single day. Your mileage will vary depending on what | third-party repositories you're using, how much software you've | installed by hand, and how dependent your software is on the system | libraries." | | Rahul | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHioVPL5V8yddJCO0RAjjjAJ48dLWrb1EGspwDcdY2MlCdez5ecACggxEb SmvzFfCV4GdT9ayfui4Jy0I= =55md -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From riel at redhat.com Sun Jan 13 22:10:28 2008 From: riel at redhat.com (Rik van Riel) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:10:28 -0500 Subject: Upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit Fedora Linux without a system reinstall In-Reply-To: <47899D7C.8050100@fedoraproject.org> References: <47899D7C.8050100@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080113171028.2b461c1e@bree.surriel.com> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:41:24 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Not sure if this is worth the effort. Maybe we should look at making the > transition more easier. > > http://www.linux.com/feature/123800 > > "Updating from Fedora 7 i386 to Fedora 8 x86_64 isn't supported, While you still believe this is possible, send patches :) Once you start looking at the details, you will quickly see why this feature is not only not supported, but also barely possible and not worth doing. -- All rights reversed. From mspevack at redhat.com Sun Jan 13 23:32:47 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:32:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc Message-ID: Hi there Ambassadors and Marketing folks: So, a few things that I would like to clarify now that the news about the changes in Fedora leadership is public, as well as some additional words about the role we are hoping Jack can fill. (1) FOSDEM and LinuxTag: A bunch of DVDs are on their way to Gerold, as well as some funding for some specific expenses tha thave been talked about. Paul and I need to have a discussion (and Paul needs to think about his own schedule) and figure out his travel plans. LinuxTag is not until May or June, and I think Paul should definitely plan to go to that -- it was an excellent show last year, and the opportunity to connect with the Ambassadors in Europe is 100% worth the cost of the trip. As for FOSDEM, that is much sooner, so I should just leave that to Paul to address. There is travel money in my budget for the FPL to make 2 trips overseas per year for Fedora-related activities. I spent a little bit too much money at LinuxTag last year (as you recall, Fedora took care of the bill for the hostel for all the Ambassadors), so the total budget is a little bit less this year, but it is enough for two trips. Until we get Paul officially into Red Hat and in control of his own funds, I will spend that money on his behalf and with his input. (2) The FAMSCO elections, FAMSCO chair, and Jack. I have received a few private emails asking me how Jack's new role impacts Ambassadors and FAMSCO. The elections that you just finished for FAMSCO as well as the voting/decision that FAMSCO made on who the Chair should be is a result that should not, and will not be changed. Over the past years, there has always been someone within Red Hat who has been the "go to person" for the Ambassadors group in terms of getting budget, swag, organizational help, etc. For a while it was Greg. Alex Maier has helped with that over time. During my time as Fedora Project Leader, I did most of this. Now we want Jack to be that person. So FAMSCO should continue to operate. Jack and FAMSCO should work together on a variety of things: * increasing the size of the Ambassadors project * encouraging and promoting leadership throughout the world * continuing to help in North America, Europe, and Brazil, where we have particularly strong ambassadors communitites * Identifying problems with Ambassadors and being a leader and advisor in resolving them. In summary: the community leadership that is in place is exactly what we want, and it must continue to thrive. Jack's job is to be your FIRST point of contact in Red Hat when you need something. Paul, myself, Greg, the names you already know -- we will also continue to support and help you. (3) For the marketing guys, the same general theme that is expressed above is true for the non-Ambassador marketing parts of Fedora. We want Jack to be a facilitator, a liason between the community and Red Hat, and to work alongside the community leaders to make Fedora marketing more efficient, more on-message, etc. I expect Jack to attend Marketing and Ambassadors meetings, and the Fedora Board should ask Jack for frequent updates on these two critical parts of the Fedora Project. Any questions -- feel free to email. Let's try to have the discussion on-list. Regards, Max From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Jan 14 00:00:57 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:00:57 +0900 (WST) Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> > (3) For the marketing guys, the same general theme that is expressed > above is true for the non-Ambassador marketing parts of Fedora. We want > Jack to be a facilitator, a liason between the community and Red Hat, > and to work alongside the community leaders to make Fedora marketing > more efficient, more on-message, etc. > > I expect Jack to attend Marketing and Ambassadors meetings, and the > Fedora Board should ask Jack for frequent updates on these two critical > parts of the Fedora Project. > > Any questions -- feel free to email. Let's try to have the discussion > on-list. > > Regards, > Max I think the marketing list needs to figure out what it is going to do as in direction wise. I'm not to sure that it is an effectively used medium and or used effectively. Thats not to say it should be shut down rather maybe there should be a discussion on how to improve it. I would love input from Red Hat to see where we can improve I believe there is someone on list. I personally welcome someone from Red Hat being the go-to person since at least there is a presence and discussions can improve the cooperation between Fedora and Red Hat. Cheers, Marc From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jan 14 00:14:37 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:14:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I think the marketing list needs to figure out what it is going to do > as in direction wise. I'm not to sure that it is an effectively used > medium and or used effectively. We had a really good discussion at FUDCon with about 10 people, including Leigh Day, who is on fedora-marketing-list and is Red Hat's corporate communications director. I believe that Karsten and/or Paul has the notes and that they will make their way here. Additionally, Jack will be in Raleigh this week and we will have a follow up meeting. It is my hope that by the end of the week, we can have 3 or 4 major marketing initiatives, find some people to commit to each one and build some mini-communities of folks getting work done, and have Jack established in a role where he oversees progress on these various fronts, and reports back to the Fedora Board what is going on. In short, a roadmap for Fedora Marketing that we work to implement, with Jack being accountable to the Fedora Board and Red Hat for results. --Max From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Mon Jan 14 02:25:17 2008 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:25:17 -0500 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 09:00 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > I think the marketing list needs to figure out what it is going to do as > in direction wise. I'm not to sure that it is an effectively used medium > and or used effectively. > > Thats not to say it should be shut down rather maybe there should be a > discussion on how to improve it. I would love input from Red Hat to see > where we can improve I believe there is someone on list. > > I personally welcome someone from Red Hat being the go-to person since at > least there is a presence and discussions can improve the cooperation > between Fedora and Red Hat. Hey everyone, so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, although, technically, the purposes are very different. Although that may be true, if we have a significant number of dual memberships, having two sources from which to get information and post information to might be a little excessive, What do you guys think? Jack From red_alert at the-psychiatry.ch Mon Jan 14 04:06:56 2008 From: red_alert at the-psychiatry.ch (red_alert) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:06:56 +0100 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <478ADFE0.3070705@the-psychiatry.ch> Jack Aboutboul wrote: > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 09:00 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: >> I think the marketing list needs to figure out what it is going to do as >> in direction wise. I'm not to sure that it is an effectively used medium >> and or used effectively. >> >> Thats not to say it should be shut down rather maybe there should be a >> discussion on how to improve it. I would love input from Red Hat to see >> where we can improve I believe there is someone on list. >> >> I personally welcome someone from Red Hat being the go-to person since at >> least there is a presence and discussions can improve the cooperation >> between Fedora and Red Hat. > > Hey everyone, > > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is > a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, > although, technically, the purposes are very different. Although that > may be true, if we have a significant number of dual memberships, having > two sources from which to get information and post information to might > be a little excessive, > > What do you guys think? > > Jack > Ambassadors are told to join the marketing list [1], so pretty every ambassador is subscribed to both lists. I don't know for the non-ambassador marketing guys, tho. Well, are there many marketing people who're not ambassadors as well? I'm reading from the same people on both lists. There's not too much traffic on both lists but many things posted on one list could (or maybe should) be interesting for the other list too. And the important stuff is cross-posted anyway. I vote for having only one list. I'm not even sure if we need two groups for this two tasks...I think most people that do one of them do the other too in some way. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join Yours red / SandroMathys -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 05:31:44 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:31:44 -0500 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2008 9:25 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is > a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, > although, technically, the purposes are very different. Technically the ambassadors list is private with public archives. I'm not sure what the point of that was other than to make things complicated :) I'm all in favor of merging the two. > Although that > may be true, if we have a significant number of dual memberships, having > two sources from which to get information and post information to might > be a little excessive, They all go to the same place :) Half the time I don't know which of a dozen lists I'm replying to :) From simon at simline.de Mon Jan 14 07:51:41 2008 From: simon at simline.de (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:51:41 +0100 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc Listmerge In-Reply-To: <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <200801140851.42028.simon@simline.de> Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 03:25:17 schrieb Jack Aboutboul: > Hey everyone, > > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is > a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, > although, technically, the purposes are very different. Hi, there was a Discussion https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-February/msg00175.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-February/msg00015.html and a vote in Feb. 2007 and the conclusions not merging the lists http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-February/msg00020.html cheers joerg -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From fcrippa at byte-code.com Mon Jan 14 08:40:36 2008 From: fcrippa at byte-code.com (Francesco Crippa) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:40:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <478ADFE0.3070705@the-psychiatry.ch> Message-ID: <735013935.11281200300036013.JavaMail.root@mail.byte-code.com> ----- "red_alert" wrote: > [...] > I vote for having only one list. I'm not even sure if we need two groups > for this two tasks...I think most people that do one of them do the other too in some way. > [...] +1 bye francesco From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 08:50:08 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:50:08 +0000 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <1200300608.2689.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 21:25 -0500, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 09:00 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > I think the marketing list needs to figure out what it is going to do as > > in direction wise. I'm not to sure that it is an effectively used medium > > and or used effectively. > > > > Thats not to say it should be shut down rather maybe there should be a > > discussion on how to improve it. I would love input from Red Hat to see > > where we can improve I believe there is someone on list. > > > > I personally welcome someone from Red Hat being the go-to person since at > > least there is a presence and discussions can improve the cooperation > > between Fedora and Red Hat. > > Hey everyone, > > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is > a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, > although, technically, the purposes are very different. Although that > may be true, if we have a significant number of dual memberships, having > two sources from which to get information and post information to might > be a little excessive, > > What do you guys think? Taking the other view from everyone else: I'm not subscribed to the Ambassadors' list and didn't plan to be either. I get plenty of mail through my inbox already and so try to be selective with what I subscribe to. imho while the two lists serve two groups with similar goals, surely the methods they use to go about achieving them are different!? >From my point of view (this could be complete rubbish, be warned :P), it seems that on the marketing list our main aims are along the lines of producing content and making sure that when the press - whether they're lay press or mainstream - talk about Fedora the information they use is accurate and fair; on the Ambassadors' list I've always assumed the main goal to be how best to represent Fedora at conferences, LUGs, working with the free media program etc. Of course these goals aren't mutually exclusive and it makes sense for people working on the one to work on the other too, but I feel there is a lot each group can achieve independently of each other too. Still, if people feel that our purposes can best be served by merging the two lists, I would be more than happy to go along with it. The question of how effective the current projects are (and this goes well beyond the mailing lists) is another question entirely! And probably one for another thread... Best wishes to all, Jon > > Jack > From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 08:54:50 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:54:50 +0000 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc Listmerge In-Reply-To: <200801140851.42028.simon@simline.de> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <200801140851.42028.simon@simline.de> Message-ID: <1200300890.2689.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 08:51 +0100, JoergSimon wrote: > Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 03:25:17 schrieb Jack Aboutboul: > > Hey everyone, > > > > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is > > a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, > > although, technically, the purposes are very different. Oh and one more thing... Let's consider the possibility of growth: all the talk lately seems to be of "revitilising" the marketing project which is awesome, but to do this the community is going to have to grow (hopefully) and that will probably increase the amount of traffic on list. Jon From simon at simline.de Mon Jan 14 09:15:15 2008 From: simon at simline.de (JoergSimon) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:15:15 +0100 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <200801141015.22842.simon@simline.de> Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 03:25:17 schrieb Jack Aboutboul: > > What do you guys think? Ok if this is necessary to bring this up again. -1 for a merge with the same reasons than last year - -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From red_alert at the-psychiatry.ch Mon Jan 14 09:40:25 2008 From: red_alert at the-psychiatry.ch (red_alert at the-psychiatry.ch) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:40:25 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <1200300608.2689.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <1200300608.2689.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1554401446.130661200303625921.JavaMail.open-xchange@ox4> Jonathan Roberts hat am 14. Januar 2008 um 09:50 geschrieben: > >From my point of view (this could be complete rubbish, be warned :P), it > seems that on the marketing list our main aims are along the lines of > producing content and making sure that when the press - whether they're > lay press or mainstream - talk about Fedora the information they use is > accurate and fair; on the Ambassadors' list I've always assumed the main > goal to be how best to represent Fedora at conferences, LUGs, working > with the free media program etc. I agree on the aims. But I think it's very important that each group knows what the other group does. IMHO Marketing should generate press-stuff for/about Ambassadors' events too. And Ambassadors should know what Marketing's message to the world is as the Ambassadors shouldn't say the opposite of it. They should also be able to refer to Fedora's appearances in the press. I think that'd be the ideal case, if both would refer to each other's work in order to spread the word about Fedora as good as possible and to reach the people over both ways (press and in person) with the very same message. -- red / SandroMathys -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Jan 14 10:46:06 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:46:06 +0900 Subject: Fedora 9 Message-ID: <1200307566.5206.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> I know there was discussions about what was going to occur by Fedora 9. Can we add some content to here. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule Cheers, Marc From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 10:56:06 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:56:06 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1200307566.5206.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200307566.5206.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1200308166.2689.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 19:46 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I know there was discussions about what was going to occur by Fedora 9. Sorry Marc, could you be more specific about which discussions you were referring to? My memory is stretched at the minute with revision :( Best wishes, Jon > Can we add some content to here. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule > > Cheers, > > Marc > From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Jan 14 11:05:13 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:05:13 +0900 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1200308166.2689.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200307566.5206.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1200308166.2689.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1200308714.5206.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 10:56 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 19:46 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > I know there was discussions about what was going to occur by Fedora 9. > > Sorry Marc, could you be more specific about which discussions you were > referring to? My memory is stretched at the minute with revision :( > > Best wishes, > > Jon Well we know you are doing interviews on areas in Fedora :) Maybe add that to the page. There was discussions I just can't remember the specifics sadly :( I'll search through the list and post back if I find it. Can we also have ideas as to what to do for release? Cheers, Marc From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 11:14:39 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:14:39 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1200308714.5206.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200307566.5206.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1200308166.2689.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1200308714.5206.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1200309279.2689.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Well we know you are doing interviews on areas in Fedora :) Maybe add > that to the page. There was discussions I just can't remember the > specifics sadly :( Well I proposed a whole list of things...don't know where they are in the archive but: http://blog.questionsplease.org/2007/12/20/more-marketing-stuff/ Has everything I put on the list along those lines. Other things that have been discussed recently but I'm waiting to hear back about what happened at FUDCon is the idea of a press kit. In fact, from what I understand a lot was discussed at FUDCon about coming up with a plan for moving forward with marketing so I'm looking forward to hearing more about that... > > I'll search through the list and post back if I find it. Can we also > have ideas as to what to do for release? As for release stuff, the only thing I can think of is the Release Summary (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSummary ) Best, Jon From lday at redhat.com Mon Jan 14 15:37:45 2008 From: lday at redhat.com (Leigh Cantrell Day) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:37:45 -0500 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <478B81C9.5050101@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > >> I think the marketing list needs to figure out what it is going to do >> as in direction wise. I'm not to sure that it is an effectively used >> medium and or used effectively. > > We had a really good discussion at FUDCon with about 10 people, > including Leigh Day, who is on fedora-marketing-list and is Red Hat's > corporate communications director. > > I believe that Karsten and/or Paul has the notes and that they will make > their way here. > > Additionally, Jack will be in Raleigh this week and we will have a > follow up meeting. > > It is my hope that by the end of the week, we can have 3 or 4 major > marketing initiatives, find some people to commit to each one and build > some mini-communities of folks getting work done, and have Jack > established in a role where he oversees progress on these various > fronts, and reports back to the Fedora Board what is going on. > > In short, a roadmap for Fedora Marketing that we work to implement, with > Jack being accountable to the Fedora Board and Red Hat for results. > We made a ton of progress in just an hour yesterday. A recap: Problem Statements/Objective Discussion ---------------------------------------- o Need communications mechanism(s) o Messaging: "We get sh*t done!" o Lack of spokesperson consistency: o Lawless o Need repetition of key themes o What is our Summit presence/FUDcon plan/other events plan? o Need to establish long-term comms plan/process o Competitors are announcing our stuff SUMMARY: WE WILL ESTABLISH A LONG-TERM, SUSTAINABLE MARKETING & COMMUNICATIONS PLAN BY MARCH 1. Actions -------- o Call for spokesppl o Create Fedora Messaging Guide with the following themes (in this order): o Folks/Friends o Features o Freedom o First/Future o Develop an 'Events Kit' (turn key solution to establish consistency and process for all events attended by Fedora) and determine events plan based on available budget. o Determine future of FUDCon o Leverage RH Summit o Invite OSS press/bloggers Summit Discussion ------------------ o Call for papers happening now, community submissions needed. http://www.redhat.com/apps/include/webforms/paper.html o Fedora presence at Summit: o Fedora content in Open Source track (see above bullet) o Designated hack-fest space for duration UPDATE: THIS HAS BEEN SECURED IN THE HYNES CENTER o Recap of Hack-fest before Innovation Awards in general session on last day. o Fedora booth I am going to also send this update to the corp. mktg team at Red Hat to solicit more volunteers to help execute on this. Please let me know if you have any questions/comments. Thanks, leigh From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Jan 14 15:38:03 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:38:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1200307566.5206.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200307566.5206.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <478B81DB.6030004@redhat.com> Marc Wiriadisastra said the following on 01/14/2008 05:46 AM Pacific Time: > I know there was discussions about what was going to occur by Fedora 9. > Can we add some content to here. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule I put the "TODO" there for Marketing and have built the existing detailed schedules for each of the other teams. All I need is the tasks, dates, and durations and I can start making it happen. I wasn't able to attend the marketing session at FUDCon because I was working on bug triage, but I'm hoping someone will post on what happened. John From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 16:43:27 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:43:27 +0000 Subject: Road Map for Marketing [WAS ambassadors, marketing, etc] In-Reply-To: <478B81C9.5050101@redhat.com> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <478B81C9.5050101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1200329007.2685.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Starting a new thread... > We made a ton of progress in just an hour yesterday. A recap: > > Problem Statements/Objective Discussion > ---------------------------------------- > o Need communications mechanism(s) > o Messaging: "We get sh*t done!" Is this the basic message we want to put out? I like it. We should also apply it to ourselves, is far too easy to talk about stuff and not actually produce any content :) > o Lack of spokesperson consistency: > o Lawless > o Need repetition of key themes > o What is our Summit presence/FUDcon plan/other events plan? > o Need to establish long-term comms plan/process > o Competitors are announcing our stuff Think we're already starting to do better here. Fedora 8 release the interviews did a good job at highlighting the work that Fedora developers are doing, and then the release summary (both of these are extremely diggable too - I think this is a good thing!) brought these all together niceley; also, Jon Poelstra's work as a feature wrangler is superb in this respect as it is a reference where people can watch how the features are developing and see it coming out of Fedora. We can definitely still do better here though, making it more explicit and drawing together all of this information into one easily digestable source perhaps? Might be easier to handle this too if we had a central point to make announcements from - news.fedoraproject.org has been talked about recently but I'm not sure how this is going? > SUMMARY: WE WILL ESTABLISH A LONG-TERM, SUSTAINABLE MARKETING & > COMMUNICATIONS PLAN BY MARCH 1. > > Actions > -------- > o Call for spokesppl What's meant by spokes-people? People willing to go to events and talk on behalf of Fedora? Is this what the Ambassadors try to do now?! > o Create Fedora Messaging Guide with the following themes (in this order): > o Folks/Friends > o Features > o Freedom > o First/Future Is this similar to what was talked about for a press kit? I could see it being useful as a reference for lay press people - and not so lay people - to look at as well. > o Develop an 'Events Kit' (turn key solution to establish consistency > and process for all events attended by Fedora) and determine events plan > based on available budget. Sounds good - does this fit in with the work being done for a "Fedora store"? Part of the goal for that was to make it easy for Ambassadors to get items for events... > o Determine future of FUDCon > o Leverage RH Summit > o Invite OSS press/bloggers > > Summit Discussion > ------------------ > o Call for papers happening now, community submissions needed. > http://www.redhat.com/apps/include/webforms/paper.html > o Fedora presence at Summit: > o Fedora content in Open Source track (see above bullet) > o Designated hack-fest space for duration > UPDATE: THIS HAS BEEN SECURED IN THE HYNES CENTER > o Recap of Hack-fest before Innovation Awards in general > session on last day. > o Fedora booth Is FUDCon planned to take place at the same time as this? Perhaps this info should be cross-posted to the other lists (devel, art etc) to make it easy for people who would give interesting presentations to find! > > I am going to also send this update to the corp. mktg team at Red Hat to > solicit more volunteers to help execute on this. Please let me know if > you have any questions/comments. Awesome...thanks for all the work :) And to everyone else who was at the conference! Jon From linux at elfshadow.net Mon Jan 14 17:34:03 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:34:03 -0500 Subject: Road Map for Marketing [WAS ambassadors, marketing, etc] In-Reply-To: <1200329007.2685.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <478B81C9.5050101@redhat.com> <1200329007.2685.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801140934xb7e385bwd208d4745907a20a@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 14, 2008 11:43 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Starting a new thread... > > o Develop an 'Events Kit' (turn key solution to establish consistency > > and process for all events attended by Fedora) and determine events plan > > based on available budget. > > Sounds good - does this fit in with the work being done for a "Fedora > store"? Part of the goal for that was to make it easy for Ambassadors to > get items for events... There is an Event Box page on the wiki here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox I created that page with the idea of the box being a booth in a box. Something we can ship to an event for a Fedora Ambassador to use for an "instant" booth. I borrowed the idea from the Gnome Event box. That project needs just a bit of momentum. Mainly if some Ambassadors and Marketing folks can review the proposed contents and if people agree - the funds to assemble the box. The Fedora Store SIG: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/ has also been trying to make it easier to get Fedora goods in both Fedora Users' hands and to Ambassadors preparing for an event. What we have been working with is a two pronged approach. The first prong to use a 3rd party storefront to sell T-shirts, buttons, patches to the public. The second prong is to establish a list of vendors Ambassadors have used in the past to order bulk quantities of T-shirts, stickers, etc from. This will hopefully allow a new ambassador to order from a vendor who knows what we typically order, while allowing for local production to reduce shipping costs. We need input the Store as well and it is not too late to do so. Visit the Store SIG wiki page and you can see the past meeting logs, current action items and many other things we have worked on and discussed. Thanks, Jeffrey From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 14 19:09:55 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:09:55 +0100 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc Listmerge In-Reply-To: <1200300890.2689.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <200801140851.42028.simon@simline.de> <1200300890.2689.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Yes, the last year i proposed the merger of Fedora Ambs List and Marketing list (there is a wiki page fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassador/MergingIssue ), and it failed, because people materially were divided in + and - . I think Jack make only a proposal to collect some new feedbacks, i think we have to wait for a official proposals and then understand if there are some new reasons, ideas etc... Moreover i had to read his mail like an input for the future, I think it could be a leap ahead to a new era. Regards Francesco 2008/1/14, Jonathan Roberts : > > > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 08:51 +0100, JoergSimon wrote: > > Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 03:25:17 schrieb Jack Aboutboul: > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > > > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? 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Sorry for being unpolite now, but why the hell don't you ask the people on the ambassadors list? Maybe I should ask here and now, whether we can merge devel-list with the marketing-list as well? ;-) Please DO NOT MERGE the lists, we need a low-traffic (?) list for all the ambassadors which only belongs to the ambassadors. Marketing is important; yes and blah-foo and all the other arguments, but I mostly don't care about the marketing stuff. I'm only less interested about this and that article of Fedora in newspapers/magazines/websites/... - maybe others are thinking so as well. My 0.1 cent for a possible merge of the lists: -1000 :) Greetings, Robert From couf at skynet.be Mon Jan 14 19:48:21 2008 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:48:21 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <20080114192647.GA27697@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <20080114192647.GA27697@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <1200340101.8653.23.camel@versuz> Op maandag 14-01-2008 om 20:26 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Robert Scheck: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is > > a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, > > although, technically, the purposes are very different. Although that > > may be true, if we have a significant number of dual memberships, having > > two sources from which to get information and post information to might > > be a little excessive, > > > > What do you guys think? > > Sorry for being unpolite now, but why the hell don't you ask the people on > the ambassadors list? Maybe I should ask here and now, whether we can merge > devel-list with the marketing-list as well? ;-) Probably because we are expected to be on the marketing-list too :-) > > Please DO NOT MERGE the lists, we need a low-traffic (?) list for all the > ambassadors which only belongs to the ambassadors. Marketing is important; > yes and blah-foo and all the other arguments, but I mostly don't care about > the marketing stuff. I'm only less interested about this and that article > of Fedora in newspapers/magazines/websites/... - maybe others are thinking > so as well. Partly true. I do agree that all the "Fedora in the news" isn't really that interesting, maybe this should be moved off to the news-list. I do get the basic idea behind it, and in a sense it's good: put all guys promoting Fedora on the same page and being sure that we bring the same message. If you think about it: we *are* as Ambassadors also doing marketing for Fedora. Just more in a face-to-face fashion, compared to press releases, interviews with the devels. Some people don't want to be Ambassadors but are doing a kick-ass job on marketing, and we as Ambassadors do that too, but we're both with the same goal: promoting Fedora > > My 0.1 cent for a possible merge of the lists: -1000 :) So I'd be okay with the merge *if* some stuff gets sorted out. +1 last year, stays +1 this year. Bart Small BTW: last years vote was slightly positive in the favor of merging, so it's not bad to re-evaluate what was said back then. -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps this Yes, the plan is to have another Boston FUDCon in connection with the Red Hat Summit in June. cheers, - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From clints at utos.org Mon Jan 14 20:55:43 2008 From: clints at utos.org (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:55:43 -0700 Subject: FedoraFamily Message-ID: <478BCC4F.2070806@utos.org> Per a discussion with a couple people in #fudcon today, I am sending out an email regarding a discussion that was held at FUDCon this weekend. One of the first sessions I attended was the "Getting your parents to use Fedora" session, which discussed techniques and ideas for helping your family members and friends successfully install and run Fedora. We had quite a lively discussion and a few good ideas were brought up from this discussion. Because of this, I've started a wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraFamily to help collaborate on this issue. 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Maybe I should ask here and now, whether we can merge > > devel-list with the marketing-list as well? ;-) > > Probably because we are expected to be on the marketing-list too :-) Perhaps it would be a good idea for one of the list admins (Max? Thomas?) to do a quick diff of the membership lists of these two lists and see if there is as much of an intersection as we're assuming. If it turns out that f-a-l membership is primarily just a subset of f-m-l membership, then the question is really just whether the ambassadors want to continue to have a separate list or not. And conversely, if the intersection is smaller than we're assuming, then that might imply that a merger is unwarranted. Being on both lists myself, and recognizing the close interaction of the work of both groups, and thus the extremely heavy cross-posting between the two lists, I myself would be happy for a merger, just to cut down the number of duplicate messages in my inbox. But, y'know, I can deal either way. :) cheers, - Paul -- Paul Stauffer Manager of Research Computing Computer Science Department Boston University From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 14 21:42:53 2008 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:42:53 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <20080114212151.GI1700@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <20080114192647.GA27697@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1200340101.8653.23.camel@versuz> <20080114212151.GI1700@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <369bce3b0801141342q6df959cfx563aa9c7666b1c53@mail.gmail.com> On 14/01/2008, Paul Stauffer wrote: > Perhaps it would be a good idea for one of the list admins (Max? Thomas?) to > do a quick diff of the membership lists of these two lists and see if there > is as much of an intersection as we're assuming. If it turns out that f-a-l > membership is primarily just a subset of f-m-l membership, then the question > is really just whether the ambassadors want to continue to have a separate > list or not. And conversely, if the intersection is smaller than we're > assuming, then that might imply that a merger is unwarranted. > > Being on both lists myself, and recognizing the close interaction of the > work of both groups, and thus the extremely heavy cross-posting between the > two lists, I myself would be happy for a merger, just to cut down the number > of duplicate messages in my inbox. But, y'know, I can deal either way. :) Back in March, Karsten Wade touched on this issue[1] already what's considered OffTopic[2]. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-March/msg00011.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic#fedora-ambassadors-list Basically, fedora-ambassadors-list is for discussions amongst Ambassadors about event coordination and other tactical or project business needs. Other discussions should take place in fedora-marketing-list. Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From robert at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 14 22:07:17 2008 From: robert at fedoraproject.org (Robert Scheck) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:07:17 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0801141342q6df959cfx563aa9c7666b1c53@mail.gmail.com> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <20080114192647.GA27697@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1200340101.8653.23.camel@versuz> <20080114212151.GI1700@jadzia.bu.edu> <369bce3b0801141342q6df959cfx563aa9c7666b1c53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080114220717.GA13476@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Thomas Chung wrote: > Basically, fedora-ambassadors-list is for discussions amongst > Ambassadors about event coordination and other tactical or project > business needs. > > Other discussions should take place in fedora-marketing-list. Thomas, thank you :) And as long as ambassadors are something else than marketing, please move that merging crap to /dev/null - otherwise, I'll change my .procmail rules to move the merged list mails then to /dev/null forever...sorry. Discussions about events don't have to be on marketing as well as press stuff, obvious news links and articles have not to end on ambassadors. And everybody who doesn't get this huge difference should re-think that before answering, please. Greetings, Robert From fab at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 14 22:26:11 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:26:11 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <20080114220717.GA13476@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <20080114192647.GA27697@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> <1200340101.8653.23.camel@versuz> <20080114212151.GI1700@jadzia.bu.edu> <369bce3b0801141342q6df959cfx563aa9c7666b1c53@mail.gmail.com> <20080114220717.GA13476@hurricane.linuxnetz.de> Message-ID: <478BE183.8050602@fedoraproject.org> Robert Scheck wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Thomas Chung wrote: >> Basically, fedora-ambassadors-list is for discussions amongst >> Ambassadors about event coordination and other tactical or project >> business needs. >> >> Other discussions should take place in fedora-marketing-list. > > Thomas, thank you :) > > And as long as ambassadors are something else than marketing, please move > that merging crap to /dev/null - otherwise, I'll change my .procmail rules > to move the merged list mails then to /dev/null forever...sorry. > > Discussions about events don't have to be on marketing as well as press > stuff, obvious news links and articles have not to end on ambassadors. And > everybody who doesn't get this huge difference should re-think that before > answering, please. +1 Fabian From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jan 14 22:26:19 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:26:19 -0800 Subject: revitalize, FUDCon results, and an RFC Message-ID: <1200349579.7855.66.camel@calliope.phig.org> We had a great marketing session[0] with Leigh Day at FUDCon, and one of the results is a plan to create a sustainable Fedora marketing plan by March. This gets us ready for Fedora 9. Work can commence here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide To get things started I'm taking on a lead wrangler role for that guide. We also agreed in that meeting that we're going to more carefully enforce on-topic and off-topic for this mailing list. This means some discussions are requested to go to other lists. This will help our collaboration with some of the marketing professionals we've invited to work on Fedora marketing. Finally, I'm proposing that we form a Marketing SIG and have regular IRC meetings to help our collaboration move rapidly. Once we've completed our marketing plan, it should be relatively stable for some time. We can then evaluate maintaining or disbanding the SIG. cheers - Karsten [0] http://iquaid.org/2008/01/13/fedora-marketing-revitalization/ -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, we'll need to commence with work here on-list. > In fact, > from what I understand a lot was discussed at FUDCon about coming up > with a plan for moving forward with marketing so I'm looking forward to > hearing more about that... Sorry about the delay on that, but by now you've seen my email to this list? Setting a March goal for a sustainable marketing plan lets us be prepared in time for Fedora 9. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We may need to sketch some stuff in until the full marketing plan is completed, as that will set firm dates, etc. > I wasn't able to attend the marketing session at FUDCon because I was > working on bug triage, but I'm hoping someone will post on what happened. Done. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This means some > discussions are requested to go to other lists. This will help our > collaboration with some of the marketing professionals we've invited to > work on Fedora marketing. > > Finally, I'm proposing that we form a Marketing SIG and have regular IRC > meetings to help our collaboration move rapidly. > +1 > Once we've completed our marketing plan, it should be relatively stable > for some time. We can then evaluate maintaining or disbanding the SIG. > +1 definitely I was going to put a proposal specifically for this but no need now. Cheers, Marc From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Jan 15 01:21:53 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:21:53 -0500 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <478C0AB1.8020802@redhat.com> Jack Aboutboul said the following on 01/13/2008 09:25 PM Pacific Time: > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 09:00 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: >> I think the marketing list needs to figure out what it is going to do as >> in direction wise. I'm not to sure that it is an effectively used medium >> and or used effectively. >> >> Thats not to say it should be shut down rather maybe there should be a >> discussion on how to improve it. I would love input from Red Hat to see >> where we can improve I believe there is someone on list. >> >> I personally welcome someone from Red Hat being the go-to person since at >> least there is a presence and discussions can improve the cooperation >> between Fedora and Red Hat. > > Hey everyone, > > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is > a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, > although, technically, the purposes are very different. Although that > may be true, if we have a significant number of dual memberships, having > two sources from which to get information and post information to might > be a little excessive, > > What do you guys think? > > Jack > I think the fedora-marketing-list should become a 'development' list of sorts--a hard core place for *actually* doing and creating "marketing" for upcoming Fedora events and releases while also focusing on increasing the power and awareness of the Fedora brand. I think this list should be more about marketing activities and less about news stories about Fedora. If we want a place to collect news stories about Fedora I think those should go to a separate list... something like fedora-news-monitor. John From jonstanley at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 01:29:38 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:29:38 -0500 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <478C0AB1.8020802@redhat.com> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <478C0AB1.8020802@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2008 8:21 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > stories about Fedora I think those should go to a separate list... > something like fedora-news-monitor. +1 From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 04:25:30 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:25:30 +0000 Subject: revitalize, FUDCon results, and an RFC In-Reply-To: <6220.203.63.126.189.1200355432.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <1200349579.7855.66.camel@calliope.phig.org> <6220.203.63.126.189.1200355432.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <1200371130.27222.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 09:03 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > We had a great marketing session[0] with Leigh Day at FUDCon, and one of > > the results is a plan to create a sustainable Fedora marketing plan by > > March. This gets us ready for Fedora 9. > > > > Work can commence here: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide > > > > To get things started I'm taking on a lead wrangler role for that guide. > > > > We also agreed in that meeting that we're going to more carefully > > enforce on-topic and off-topic for this mailing list. This means some > > discussions are requested to go to other lists. This will help our > > collaboration with some of the marketing professionals we've invited to > > work on Fedora marketing. > > > > Finally, I'm proposing that we form a Marketing SIG and have regular IRC > > meetings to help our collaboration move rapidly. > > > +1 > > Once we've completed our marketing plan, it should be relatively stable > > for some time. We can then evaluate maintaining or disbanding the SIG. > > > +1 definitely I was going to put a proposal specifically for this but no > need now. If the Marketing members here on this list could have all been at that session, you would have seen how energized Leigh got working with us. This Messaging Guide solution and some of the content ideas seemed to shoot out like grease through a goose. Does anyone know of any good messaging guides that are freely available (preferably in electronic form)? I ask the list rather than google because I'm hoping someone here has a working "quality filter." :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Jan 15 08:35:18 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:35:18 +0000 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <478C0AB1.8020802@redhat.com> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <478C0AB1.8020802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1200386118.2705.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> > I think this list should be more about marketing activities and less > about news stories about Fedora. If we want a place to collect news > stories about Fedora I think those should go to a separate list... > something like fedora-news-monitor. I don't have a problem with this but I think we ought to do something more useful with it than sharing it with each other. A start would be creating a page where we list all of the press appearances of Fedora, and then digging and slashdotting everything we can about Fedora that's worthwhile. This would be useful marketing... Jon From ml at deadbabylon.de Tue Jan 15 17:10:01 2008 From: ml at deadbabylon.de (Sebastian Vahl) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:10:01 +0100 Subject: Fedora 9 and KDE 4.0.0 in distrowatch article Message-ID: <200801151810.10478.ml@deadbabylon.de> A distrowatch article collects some informations about the recently released KDE 4.0.0. But they seems to be a little bit confused about the different spins. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080114 "The Fedora distribution has traditionally been focusing on GNOME as its preferred desktop environments, but with the increasing community participation in the project, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that KDE 4.0.0 is now included in "rawhide" (Fedora's development branch). Not only that, it also appears to be the default KDE (KDE 3.5.8 is present as well, but these packages have been renamed to kdebase3, kdelibs3, etc.). Moreover, the Fedora community has released an installable Fedora live CD containing a base system from the latest rawhide + KDE 4.0.0 - a good way to evaluate the progress Fedora has made since the release of version 8. The live CD is available for download from here: rawhide-KDE4-i686-20080109.4.iso (694MB, SHA1)." Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Cox on his involvement in the Linux kernel, working for Red Hat, the value of enterprises, subscription model, staying true to Free software, birth of Fedora and even more. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/14/666/ http://digg.com/linux_unix/Video_Alan_Cox_on_community_and_the_enterprise/ Rahul From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Tue Jan 15 17:34:34 2008 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:34:34 -0500 Subject: Road Map for Marketing [WAS ambassadors, marketing, etc] In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00801140934xb7e385bwd208d4745907a20a@mail.gmail.com> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <478B81C9.5050101@redhat.com> <1200329007.2685.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10e0a9b00801140934xb7e385bwd208d4745907a20a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200418475.25286.168.camel@deepfort> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 12:34 -0500, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > There is an Event Box page on the wiki here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox > > I created that page with the idea of the box being a booth in a box. > Something we can ship to an event for a Fedora Ambassador to use for > an "instant" booth. I borrowed the idea from the Gnome Event box. > > That project needs just a bit of momentum. Mainly if some Ambassadors > and Marketing folks can review the proposed contents and if people > agree - the funds to assemble the box. > This is currently being worked on with the RH logistics people and is quickly becoming a reality. It was discussed over the weekend and I will keep you posted about it. Mainly, the thing to know right now is that RH has a large logistics company which manages worlwide supply chain stuff and we are trying to out the details with them in order to create a web form through which an ambassador can order a kit for different sized events... Jack From mspevack at redhat.com Tue Jan 15 21:38:53 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:38:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: comparison of ambassadors list and marketing list Message-ID: For what it's worth: ambassadors-list == 272 members marketing-list == 393 members 202 people are on both lists. I do not attempt to draw any conclusions from this data. I will leave that to others. --Max From gerold at lugd.org Tue Jan 15 21:49:00 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:49:00 +0100 Subject: comparison of ambassadors list and marketing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1200433740.3536.19.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Am Dienstag, den 15.01.2008, 16:38 -0500 schrieb Max Spevack: > For what it's worth: > > ambassadors-list == 272 members > marketing-list == 393 members > > 202 people are on both lists. > > I do not attempt to draw any conclusions from this data. I will leave > that to others. ^^ maybe "every Ambassador does marketing but not every marketing is an Ambassador"? Just an idea :-) Gerold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will leave > > that to others. > ^^ > maybe "every Ambassador does marketing but not every marketing is an > Ambassador"? > > Just an idea :-) > > Gerold > Thats a fair assumption. Cheers, Marc From vnk at mkc.co.nz Tue Jan 15 21:57:31 2008 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:57:31 +1300 Subject: comparison of ambassadors list and marketing list In-Reply-To: <1200433740.3536.19.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> References: <1200433740.3536.19.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <478D2C4B.8040202@mkc.co.nz> Gerold Kassube wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 15.01.2008, 16:38 -0500 schrieb Max Spevack: >> For what it's worth: >> >> ambassadors-list == 272 members >> marketing-list == 393 members >> >> 202 people are on both lists. >> >> I do not attempt to draw any conclusions from this data. I will leave >> that to others. > ^^ > maybe "every Ambassador does marketing but not every marketing is an > Ambassador"? > For what it's worth, I am neither (at least not active contributor in those areas) but I subscribe to both lists to keep an eye on latest happenings. Perhaps some other people do, too. Vladimir > Just an idea :-) > > Gerold > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will leave > >> that to others. > > ^^ > > maybe "every Ambassador does marketing but not every marketing is an > > Ambassador"? > > > For what it's worth, I am neither (at least not active contributor in > those areas) but I subscribe to both lists to keep an eye on latest > happenings. Perhaps some other people do, too. > > Vladimir > > > Just an idea :-) > > > > Gerold > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > same, but looking only on marketing :) From linux at elfshadow.net Tue Jan 15 22:37:23 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:37:23 -0500 Subject: Road Map for Marketing [WAS ambassadors, marketing, etc] In-Reply-To: <1200418475.25286.168.camel@deepfort> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <478B81C9.5050101@redhat.com> <1200329007.2685.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10e0a9b00801140934xb7e385bwd208d4745907a20a@mail.gmail.com> <1200418475.25286.168.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801151437t571ee48arb819141d0919cf2b@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 15, 2008 12:34 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 12:34 -0500, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > There is an Event Box page on the wiki here: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox > > > > I created that page with the idea of the box being a booth in a box. > > Something we can ship to an event for a Fedora Ambassador to use for > > an "instant" booth. I borrowed the idea from the Gnome Event box. > > > > That project needs just a bit of momentum. Mainly if some Ambassadors > > and Marketing folks can review the proposed contents and if people > > agree - the funds to assemble the box. > > > > This is currently being worked on with the RH logistics people and is > quickly becoming a reality. It was discussed over the weekend and I > will keep you posted about it. Mainly, the thing to know right now is > that RH has a large logistics company which manages worlwide supply > chain stuff and we are trying to out the details with them in order to > create a web form through which an ambassador can order a kit for > different sized events... Great! Please do keep us posted on it. As someone that has worked on the event box portion and a fair amount of time with the Fedora Store SIG I have interests in what exactly is being discussed. The kit for different sized events... Is that an event box that is pretty much a booth in a box or is it "swag" as well? With what is being discussed currently, does that mean we should be putting any Event Box work and/or Fedora SIG work on hold as well? The Fedora Store SIG has an Ambassador event material portion as well. I would hate to put more effort towards the Store SIG or Event Box if this is duplicating efforts going on within Red Hat. Thanks, Jeffrey From kwade at redhat.com Wed Jan 16 06:06:01 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:06:01 -0800 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <1200463561.7855.198.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 00:31 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Jan 13, 2008 9:25 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > so my first question would be to ask this, how many people currently > > subscribe to both this and ambassadors-list? If people feel like it is > > a significant enough number, maybe we should consider merging the two, > > although, technically, the purposes are very different. > > Technically the ambassadors list is private with public archives. I'm > not sure what the point of that was other than to make things > complicated :) I'm all in favor of merging the two. -1 I see the lists as having different purposes, and when they are combined, it gets too noisy. marketing-list == strategy, long term vision, big solutions ambassadors-list == tactics, results, and mainly discussions of events, how to attend, make happen, etc. In particular, we are inviting marketing professionals to the f-marketing-list, and I'm sensitive about blasting them with too much stuff that is not relevant to the 'big marketing vision stuff.' - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Much of the content that is cross-posted to the two lists could be on just one list. With mail filters, I end up with half of the discussion in one list and half in the other, and there is no reason it couldn't be all on one list. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If we want a place to collect news > stories about Fedora I think those should go to a separate list... > something like fedora-news-monitor. +1 We have something similar at Red Hat, which gets a fair amount of press, and I'm always glad that I can go to that list to read about it without having to fill a more general discussion list with news items. Oddly, here are the solutions in the air: A. Merge f-m-l and f-a-l B. Leave f-m-l and f-a-l as they are with topic enforcement C. Leave f-m-l and f-a-l as they are with topic enforcement, and peel news items and discussion of same off to a new list So, either one, two, or three lists. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I ask the list rather than google > because I'm hoping someone here has a working "quality filter." :-) If not, I reckon we'll be setting the bar yet once again. :) We are going to have input from internal Red Hat marketing folks with lots of this experience, so we'll what they bring to the table. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Jan 16 10:34:12 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:34:12 +0900 Subject: ambassadors, marketing, etc In-Reply-To: <1200464090.7855.206.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <1200277518.25286.134.camel@deepfort> <478C0AB1.8020802@redhat.com> <1200464090.7855.206.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1200479652.14544.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 22:14 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 20:21 -0500, John Poelstra wrote: > > > I think this list should be more about marketing activities and less > > about news stories about Fedora. If we want a place to collect news > > stories about Fedora I think those should go to a separate list... > > something like fedora-news-monitor. > > +1 > > We have something similar at Red Hat, which gets a fair amount of press, > and I'm always glad that I can go to that list to read about it without > having to fill a more general discussion list with news items. > > Oddly, here are the solutions in the air: > > A. Merge f-m-l and f-a-l > B. Leave f-m-l and f-a-l as they are with topic enforcement > C. Leave f-m-l and f-a-l as they are with topic enforcement, and peel > news items and discussion of same off to a new list > > So, either one, two, or three lists. :) > > - Karsten I pick C :) From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Jan 16 10:49:32 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:49:32 +0900 Subject: revitalize, FUDCon results, and an RFC In-Reply-To: <1200349579.7855.66.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1200349579.7855.66.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1200480572.14544.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 14:26 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > We had a great marketing session[0] with Leigh Day at FUDCon, and one of > the results is a plan to create a sustainable Fedora marketing plan by > March. This gets us ready for Fedora 9. > > Work can commence here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide > > To get things started I'm taking on a lead wrangler role for that guide. > > We also agreed in that meeting that we're going to more carefully > enforce on-topic and off-topic for this mailing list. This means some > discussions are requested to go to other lists. This will help our > collaboration with some of the marketing professionals we've invited to > work on Fedora marketing. > > Finally, I'm proposing that we form a Marketing SIG and have regular IRC > meetings to help our collaboration move rapidly. > > Once we've completed our marketing plan, it should be relatively stable > for some time. We can then evaluate maintaining or disbanding the SIG. A bit of light reading with a general idea.[0] I personally believe this process while is helping marketing should take on a significant portion of the SIG's and groups within Fedora. You might say why? Well from my opinion and my knowledge from marketing that I've done (very small) and from friends who are in marketing already they believe it should be wide ranging.(I'm hoping for RH wise people to speak up at this point) If we are going to come up with a marketing plan and direction we will need to have input from all sources within this great distribution. We need to know what messages people are trying to portray, what we want to get across, what we stand for and who our customers are. I would like the Fedora board to get involved in the process just like any committee involved in marketing their business/product. Cheers, Marc [0] http://www.business.gov.au/Business+Entry+Point/Business +Topics/Market+research+statistics/How+do+I+write+a+marketing+plan.htm [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_plan [2] http://www.businessplans.org/Market.html This goes a bit to far but you get an idea. Very far reaching, if done effectively it can galvanize a firm into action and direction. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 16 16:13:52 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:43:52 +0530 Subject: Red Hat at the crossroads Message-ID: <478E2D40.8050304@fedoraproject.org> Hi A long look at the evolution with some notable mentions of Fedora http://www.itpro.co.uk/servers/features/155277/red-hat-at-the-crossroads/page1.html "The classic downloadable distribution of Red Hat Linux has been replaced by Fedora, which is no longer sold in shrink-wrapped boxes. Enterprise customers are recommended to purchase RHEL, Red Hat's own branded and supported version of Linux. The perceived benefit of this release model is that Red Hat benefits from the traditional community approach fostered by Fedora, while giving a production model, represented by Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) that corresponds with the longer, more stable, upgrade cycle that is more easily implemented and supported within the enterprise. Fedora has pioneered many of the advances that later appear in RHEL. In some ways Red Hat's business model represents a revolution in the computing industry, and is counter intuitive to the dogma of modern business culture." "Red Hat has managed to walk the line between corporate ambition and community ethics, resisting the temptation to compromise in deals with Microsoft and others, and has endeavored to remain honest and true to its community roots, which it has maintained through its dependence on the Fedora community." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 16 16:24:03 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:54:03 +0530 Subject: Paul Fields Takes Over at Fedora Message-ID: <478E2FA3.4020402@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/paul_fields_takes_over_at_fedora "At the "Fedora User and Developer Conference" (FUDCon) this weekend in Raleigh, Spevack held the traditional opening speech on the current status of the free distribution to just over 150 participants. In a blog entry posted just before the conference, Spevack said goodbye to ?one of the coolest jobs you can have?, reviewing his time as project leader." Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jan 16 16:27:02 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:27:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Paul Fields Takes Over at Fedora In-Reply-To: <478E2FA3.4020402@fedoraproject.org> References: <478E2FA3.4020402@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Dear Linux Magazine, Please spell the name of our new fearless leader correctly in your magazine. kthxbye. Sigh. --g On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/paul_fields_takes_over_at_fedora > > "At the "Fedora User and Developer Conference" (FUDCon) this weekend in > Raleigh, Spevack held the traditional opening speech on the current status of > the free distribution to just over 150 participants. In a blog entry posted > just before the conference, Spevack said goodbye to ?one of the coolest jobs > you can have?, reviewing his time as project leader." > > Rahul > > -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From jaboutboul at speakeasy.net Wed Jan 16 18:05:08 2008 From: jaboutboul at speakeasy.net (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:05:08 -0500 Subject: Road Map for Marketing [WAS ambassadors, marketing, etc] In-Reply-To: <10e0a9b00801151437t571ee48arb819141d0919cf2b@mail.gmail.com> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <478B81C9.5050101@redhat.com> <1200329007.2685.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10e0a9b00801140934xb7e385bwd208d4745907a20a@mail.gmail.com> <1200418475.25286.168.camel@deepfort> <10e0a9b00801151437t571ee48arb819141d0919cf2b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200506708.25286.189.camel@deepfort> On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 17:37 -0500, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: > > With what is being discussed currently, does that mean we should be > putting any Event Box work and/or Fedora SIG work on hold as well? > The Fedora Store SIG has an Ambassador event material portion as well. > I would hate to put more effort towards the Store SIG or Event Box if > this is duplicating efforts going on within Red Hat. Do not put anything on hold. All involved have been doing great work and you should keep it up 100%. I will say go ahead and keep working on it and we will work with that and what is currently going on and support it and bolster it. What is going on currently is that we are planning everything we want to try and do in the community and marketing areas for the next year. Once all that is solidified, we can work with more focus and hopefully towards goals which are set in stone. As for now, continue all the great work you guys are doing and once this week is over, we should have a better idea of where and how to steer things. Don't be afraid to lead! We are here to support you! Jack From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 20:35:41 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:35:41 -0500 Subject: Sources for media? Message-ID: I'm involved in the freemedia program (just got started this last month). What I was doing was buying blank DVD's and burning them. Then I went to FUDCon last weekend, and there was a box of nice pre-recorded media. I would be willing to buy one of these (since it would be fairly cheap in bulk) and just send those out. It would look a heck of a lot better than just burning DVD's and writing by hand "Fedora 8 x86 DVD" on it :) I know that this goes in with the Store SIG and some of what Jack is doing, but I figured that these things exist today, there's gotta be some way to get our hands on them! :) From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 21:31:48 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:31:48 -0600 Subject: Sources for media? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2008 2:35 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > I know that this goes in with the Store SIG and some of what Jack is > doing, but I figured that these things exist today, there's gotta be > some way to get our hands on them! :) I would be happy to contribute to this cause as well. It would be nice to have a small pile for distribution locally and at the same time pass on a larger pile for wider distribution. John From tchung at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 16 21:36:52 2008 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:36:52 -0800 Subject: Sources for media? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369bce3b0801161336l33ceba1axdda980380e9c5d2d@mail.gmail.com> On 16/01/2008, Jon Stanley wrote: > I'm involved in the freemedia program (just got started this last > month). What I was doing was buying blank DVD's and burning them. > Then I went to FUDCon last weekend, and there was a box of nice > pre-recorded media. I would be willing to buy one of these (since it > would be fairly cheap in bulk) and just send those out. It would look > a heck of a lot better than just burning DVD's and writing by hand > "Fedora 8 x86 DVD" on it :) > > I know that this goes in with the Store SIG and some of what Jack is > doing, but I figured that these things exist today, there's gotta be > some way to get our hands on them! :) Jon, As a Ambassador, you may request media for your event from GetStuff[1] page. Free Media[2] is a volunteer program where we burn it and we ship it ourselves. Regards, [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Jan 17 02:33:23 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:33:23 -0500 Subject: Store SIG IRC Meeting Log - 2008-01-16 Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801161833m208b0f27w56b8a9b2aecca48c@mail.gmail.com> Below is the IRC meeting log from the Store SIG meeting today. 13:03 < iWolf> Okay. back. sorry about that! 13:03 < iWolf> Anyone else here? 13:03 -!- stickster_work_a is now known as stickster_work 13:04 < iWolf> Okay. Let's get started. 13:04 < iWolf> Going from the open action items here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store 13:04 < iWolf> the first thing we have is the mockup and requirements page. 13:05 < iWolf> It doesn't like there have been any changes on the requirements since last week, so that looks good. 13:05 < iWolf> I did not get a chance to put together a request to the Design team this week. I will kick that up in priority for me. 13:06 < ricky> Some people have been asking about what they can do with websites, and I've been pointing them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PageRequests. 13:06 < ricky> It might be a good idea to mention that there. 13:06 < iWolf> Cool! This mockup would be a good thing for someone to get started with. 13:06 -!- sankarshan [n=sankarsh at fedora/sankarshan] has quit ["Are you sure you want to quit this channel (Cancel/Ok) ?"] 13:06 < iWolf> I did see some work from SyN-dRoMe I believe with some graphics. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> i've been thinking of mockup ideas but the requirements are a little vague. 13:07 < iWolf> I need to dig that link from my IRC log. 13:07 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: feel free to ask for any clarification on the requirements. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> ok, well, how was that as a logo 13:07 < iWolf> I sort of tossed them together as a starting point. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> considering the background for that banner is taken from the infinity artwork 13:08 < iWolf> I thought it looked good, do you have that link again? 13:08 < SyN-dRoMe> not on this computer im afraid 13:08 < SyN-dRoMe> oops hang on, im talking rubbish 13:09 < SyN-dRoMe> http://www.fedorastoreonline.com/images/fedorabanner3.png 13:09 < SyN-dRoMe> there we go, its a scaled down, i have the master image on my desktop system. 13:09 < iWolf> Great thanks! 13:10 < iWolf> Now it will be in the meeting log and we can hear from others as well. 13:10 < iWolf> I beleive mizmo also expressed some interest in helping with a mockup but was going to be unavailable for a week or two. 13:10 < SyN-dRoMe> i'd like some feedback on that kind of look as i normally use logos as a basis for entire motif's 13:10 < iWolf> That info is from an IRC conversantion jds2001 had with her last week. 13:11 < iWolf> Anyone here care to comment on SyN-dRoMe's logo? 13:11 < iWolf> Suggestions? Improvements? etc? 13:11 < iWolf> Or just plain old - "That looks cool!" 13:11 < iWolf> :) 13:12 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: I will solicit more feedback from the marketing list this week. 13:12 < SyN-dRoMe> thank you :) 13:12 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: no worries. 13:13 < iWolf> So, for mockups we can continue to work with SyN-dRoMe and wait to hear from mizmo. I will probably put a page request up and note that we have SyN-dRoMe and mizmo involved as well and see if we can't get something put together. 13:13 < SyN-dRoMe> has there been any ideas on merchandise sources 13:13 < SyN-dRoMe> ? 13:13 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: yeah, we'll get to that in a moment. 13:13 < iWolf> I will also post the current graphic to the marketing list to help get some feedback for SyN-dRoMe. 13:14 < iWolf> Oh and SyN-dRoMe feel free to email me with questions on the requirements. 13:14 < iWolf> I will clear up what I can. 13:14 < SyN-dRoMe> will do. 13:14 < iWolf> Anything else to add to the mockup/requirements item before we move on? 13:15 < iWolf> Okay. 13:15 < iWolf> The next three items can sort of be tied up into one talking point for this meeting. 13:16 < iWolf> Vendors. 13:16 < iWolf> I did more looking at the ones we have listed here: 13:16 < iWolf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors 13:16 < iWolf> I tried to add some more pros and cons to each. 13:17 < iWolf> I also solicited input from MrTom, an ambassador who has been working to get a French store up and running. 13:17 < iWolf> He has added his comments to the wiki as well. 13:17 < iWolf> He has worked with spreadshirt for that stor and seen their products. 13:17 < MrTom> meeting is at 20UTC ? 13:17 < iWolf> From what I saw online, spreadshirt seems to have a good reputation for print on demand T-shirts. 13:17 < iWolf> MrTom: This is the Store SIG meeting. 13:18 < iWolf> MrTom: I just mentioned you for providig comments for our wiki page on spreadshirt and your experiences. 13:18 < MrTom> sorry :s 13:18 * couf didn't have time to check some out 13:18 < MrTom> yep :) 13:18 < iWolf> MrTom: Thanks again for doing that! 13:18 < MrTom> you're welcome 13:18 < iWolf> couf: no worries, if you get a chance this week, feel free to add comments. 13:18 < SyN-dRoMe> i'd like to add, there is a british based vendor that perhaps could be looked into. 13:19 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: which one? 13:19 < SyN-dRoMe> a company called printshop 13:19 < iWolf> Could you add a link to the PotentialDistributor page? 13:19 < SyN-dRoMe> i could indeed 13:19 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Thanks! 13:20 < iWolf> Does anyone lean towards one vendor more than another at this point in time? 13:20 < SyN-dRoMe> it would depend on which region the prospective customers were in 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: any vendor that has better caps than brand fuel 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: that means just about ANY vendor 13:21 < iWolf> EvilBob: LOL, I haven't tried their caps yet! 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: they suck 13:22 < EvilBob> iWolf: they fit like a yamica 13:22 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: the region thing is the piece of the puzzle that makes this most difficult. It doesn't seem there is any *one* vendor that serves each region well. 13:22 < iWolf> EvilBob: :) 13:22 * iWolf notes not to buy a Fedora cap from Brand Fuel. 13:23 < iWolf> So, because of trying to serve each region as well as we can. 13:23 < iWolf> I tend to lean towards Spreadshirt. 13:23 < iWolf> ANd open one store through their North American side and open a second store through their European side. 13:23 < SyN-dRoMe> perhaps if you divided the operation to three or four major regions and find a vendor that serves the respective region the best 13:24 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Yep, the only major con I can think of for that is the designers needing to upload graphics to multiple stores. It may be a necessary evil though. 13:25 < couf> probably will be the most succesful one, in finding good vendors 13:25 < iWolf> I think spreadshirt could give us a good start if we opened a store for both the Europe region and the North America region. 13:25 < iWolf> That would get us started. As we learn from that, we could potentially expand to serve other regions better as well. 13:25 < SyN-dRoMe> well essentially, the interface for spreadshirt is an swf. with links relevant to that customers account 13:26 < SyN-dRoMe> i imagine if you asked spreadshirt for a generic copy of the source .fla 13:27 < SyN-dRoMe> it would most likely just be a case of modifying a few links in the script 13:27 < iWolf> I think Thomas is familiar with the customization we can do, they did it for the French store. 13:27 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: But you are quite right, with some mods we may be good to go. 13:27 < SyN-dRoMe> mmmhmm 13:28 < iWolf> I think what I would like to do this week is send an email/update the wiki with a more verbose which way can we go page. 13:28 < SyN-dRoMe> if the source of induvidual stores all came from the same place we could ensure uniformity across x many stores 13:29 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Yeah, that would be very nice for the user experience with the store. 13:29 < iWolf> Maybe we can look more into what options SPreadshirt has for look and feel customization. It might influence the opinion a bit. 13:30 < SyN-dRoMe> also i feel optimisation for gnash would be advantageous 13:30 < SyN-dRoMe> i do have the odd issue with web based flash. 13:31 < iWolf> Yeah, are all spreadshirt store interfaces flash based? 13:31 < SyN-dRoMe> they seem to be 13:31 -!- stickster_work is now known as stickster_afk 13:32 -!- mether [n=ask at fedora/mether] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 13:32 < iWolf> that could be a potential hang-up. 13:33 < SyN-dRoMe> maybe something like an opinion poll on faults 13:33 -!- tc141516 is now known as tc1415 13:33 < SyN-dRoMe> or if we could have a look at the bugzilla entries to see some potential issues 13:34 -!- makghosh [n=Joy at 117.201.96.50] has joined #fedora-mktg 13:34 < iWolf> I think most people will want a site that doesn't use proprietary tech. 13:34 < SyN-dRoMe> yes there is that also 13:34 < couf> yeah, that's something we really need to flesh out 13:35 < iWolf> We'll add that to the list of things to check into. Customization features of spreadshirt as well as whether flash is required for the storefront. 13:35 < iWolf> couf: I agree. 13:35 < couf> or it should be doable with the swfdec-stuff (or gnash) 13:35 < iWolf> Okay... Unfortunately, it is about time for me to head back into the office. 13:36 < iWolf> Does anyone have anything else to add? I hate to cut it short, but $dayjob calls.... 13:36 < SyN-dRoMe> nothing from me. 13:36 < couf> nah, we can't really get stuff gone, while still checking vendors 13:36 < couf> I'm good 13:36 < SyN-dRoMe> but could you semd me your email address please iwolf? 13:37 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: you can grab it off of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeffreyTadlock 13:37 < iWolf> Feel free to email me at that address. 13:37 < iWolf> Thanks for coming guys! It is much appreciated. 13:37 < SyN-dRoMe> no worries. 13:37 < iWolf> I will get the logs posted and update the wiki. 13:37 < couf> thanks iWolf 13:37 < iWolf> ================ Meeting Adjourned ================== From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Jan 17 02:43:49 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:43:49 -0500 Subject: Road Map for Marketing [WAS ambassadors, marketing, etc] In-Reply-To: <1200506708.25286.189.camel@deepfort> References: <28763.203.63.126.189.1200268857.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <478B81C9.5050101@redhat.com> <1200329007.2685.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10e0a9b00801140934xb7e385bwd208d4745907a20a@mail.gmail.com> <1200418475.25286.168.camel@deepfort> <10e0a9b00801151437t571ee48arb819141d0919cf2b@mail.gmail.com> <1200506708.25286.189.camel@deepfort> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801161843vf3c77ek7a985f4c948630a3@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 16, 2008 1:05 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Do not put anything on hold. All involved have been doing great work > and you should keep it up 100%. I will say go ahead and keep working on > it and we will work with that and what is currently going on and support > it and bolster it. Excellent! Sounds like a good plan to me. Thanks for the additional info. --Jeffrey From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 04:26:05 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:26:05 +0000 Subject: Paul Frields Takes Over at Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <478E2FA3.4020402@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1200543965.25117.205.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks, I'm sure it won't be the last time. ;-) Worst experience ever with my name: "How do you spell your last name?" "F-R-I-E-L-D-S." "Ummm..." "Like Fields, but with an 'R'." "Oh, FIELDSR." On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 11:27 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Dear Linux Magazine, > > Please spell the name of our new fearless leader correctly in your > magazine. kthxbye. > > Sigh. > > --g > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/paul_fields_takes_over_at_fedora > > > > "At the "Fedora User and Developer Conference" (FUDCon) this weekend in > > Raleigh, Spevack held the traditional opening speech on the current status of > > the free distribution to just over 150 participants. In a blog entry posted > > just before the conference, Spevack said goodbye to ?one of the coolest jobs > > you can have?, reviewing his time as project leader." > > > > Rahul > > > > > > -- > Greg DeKoenigsberg > Community Development Manager > Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 > "To whomsoever much hath been given... > ...from him much shall be asked" > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please see: http://www.redhat.com/apps/include/webforms/paper.html Thanks, Leigh From inode0 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 15:54:32 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:54:32 -0600 Subject: Summit '08: Call for papers In-Reply-To: <478F777D.7070201@redhat.com> References: <478F777D.7070201@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Jan 17, 2008 9:42 AM, Leigh Cantrell Day wrote: > Hi All, > > Wanted to send a reminder that the Summit 'O8 Call for Papers is now > open. Would love to have great Fedora representation within the Summit > agenda, so please submit your ideas and spread the word! > > Please see: > http://www.redhat.com/apps/include/webforms/paper.html Hi Leigh, I've submitted several ideas that don't fit into this sort of category very well. Adding the opportunity to take certification exams is one that I've gotten a positive response about. Another that I submitted to someone during the transition period I did not hear any feedback on so it might have been lost in the shuffle. I'll mention it here too. I think it would be interesting to add a lightning talk session where customers could have 5 minutes each to talk about something cool that they are doing with Red Hat products. Sessions like this not only get interesting work out in the public but also serve as a focal point for folks with some common interest to discover each other. John From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Jan 17 17:56:13 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:56:13 +0000 Subject: PackageKit interview Message-ID: <1200592573.2706.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey there, I'm putting together the first interview of the new year right now and would appreciate it if somebody could take a look over it? It still needs screenshots adding and broken-wiki links fixing. Probably other stuff I've missed too so if people could muck in and help that would be *awesome* :) Umm, I'll check back later 'cos I've got a busy evening ahead but hopefully we can get this one out in the wild by tomorrow morning UTC :) Ohh address would be helpful! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9Interviews/PackageKit Best wishes to all, Jon From vnk at mkc.co.nz Thu Jan 17 19:27:13 2008 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:27:13 +1300 Subject: PackageKit interview In-Reply-To: <1200592573.2706.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200592573.2706.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <478FAC11.9000705@mkc.co.nz> Links and typos fixed. Vladimir Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey there, > > I'm putting together the first interview of the new year right now and > would appreciate it if somebody could take a look over it? It still > needs screenshots adding and broken-wiki links fixing. Probably other > stuff I've missed too so if people could muck in and help that would be > *awesome* :) > > Umm, I'll check back later 'cos I've got a busy evening ahead but > hopefully we can get this one out in the wild by tomorrow morning UTC :) > > Ohh address would be helpful! > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9Interviews/PackageKit > > Best wishes to all, > > Jon > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Fri Jan 18 06:35:04 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:35:04 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 Message-ID: <47904898.4090807@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All!! Only stupid names are listed here. This can not be serious. 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Best wishes, Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Jan 18 10:26:18 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:26:18 +0000 Subject: PackageKit interview In-Reply-To: <478FAC11.9000705@mkc.co.nz> References: <1200592573.2706.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <478FAC11.9000705@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1200651978.2662.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> The PackageKit interview is now up: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/PackageKit Thanks all, and I hope you enjoy it :) Best wishes, Jon From brendontoogood at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 10:39:06 2008 From: brendontoogood at gmail.com (brendon) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:39:06 +1300 Subject: introduce myself Message-ID: <1200652746.2989.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi there one and all, I am emailing the mailing list to introduce myself. My name is Brendon Toogood, I come from new zealand, my main aim is to get Linux/open source more out to the general public and in to the business sector. I am running FC8 but in the past i have used FC2,3,4 for a few years after I used a couple of other distributions to see what they were like and compare them. (there were debian based and that is as far as I will go on the list). I would like to do my part in the marketing of the Fedora project so that is why I am here in this mailing list to see in any way in which I can help, and do my part. yours Brendon Toogood Linux consultant From wy_2_k at yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 10:50:50 2008 From: wy_2_k at yahoo.com (Ama M) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:50:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: introduce myself Message-ID: <266976.58688.qm@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> Welcome to the list Ndewoo!! ------------------------------------- Ama Mgbeoji http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AmaMgbeoji ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ---- From: brendon To: Fedora Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:39:06 AM Subject: introduce myself Hi there one and all, I am emailing the mailing list to introduce myself. My name is Brendon Toogood, I come from new zealand, my main aim is to get Linux/open source more out to the general public and in to the business sector. I am running FC8 but in the past i have used FC2,3,4 for a few years after I used a couple of other distributions to see what they were like and compare them. (there were debian based and that is as far as I will go on the list). I would like to do my part in the marketing of the Fedora project so that is why I am here in this mailing list to see in any way in which I can help, and do my part. yours Brendon Toogood Linux consultant -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Experimente j? e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 18 13:25:00 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:55:00 +0530 Subject: Fedora Electronics Lab - Linux For You Current Issue Message-ID: <4790A8AC.4000808@fedoraproject.org> Hi I couldn't find any information online about this but one of the local Linux users group members notified that Linux For You magazine current issue bundles Fedora Electronics Lab Live CD. This print magazine claims to be the only Asian print magazine dedicated to Linux and has tens of thousands of copies circulation rate. Since they also run a sister magazine called Electronics For You, they have a good interest in electronics which probably explains the choice. I thought it was pretty interesting info to pass on. I will post an update once I get to see a copy. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 18 13:28:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:32 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <4790A0A2.5090702@yahoo.com.br> References: <47904898.4090807@projetofedora.org> <4790A0A2.5090702@yahoo.com.br> Message-ID: <4790A980.3050702@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I agree with Padula, half of these names are diseases or monters, man, > this codename should be something cool, not a monster. What is this? > Fedora Monster, Fedora Disease? > > I think we need to review this list. There was a open call in fedora-devel list and all of the names were suggested from people in the community and need to pass through legal review which has already been done. The names won't be changed now. Rahul From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 13:22:02 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:22:02 -0700 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <4790A0A2.5090702@yahoo.com.br> References: <47904898.4090807@projetofedora.org> <4790A0A2.5090702@yahoo.com.br> Message-ID: On Jan 18, 2008 5:50 AM, Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I agree with Padula, half of these names are diseases or monters, man, > this codename should be something cool, not a monster. What is this? > Fedora Monster, Fedora Disease? > > I think we need to review this list. > > Cheers, > > Rodrigo Menezes > > > Only stupid names are listed here. > > This can not be serious. > > > > Dragicorn > > Chingachgook > > Asperger > > Marfan > > Tourette > > Chupacabra > > Bathysphere > > Kingsport Town > > Sulphur > > Mayonnaise > > Woodwose > > Barmanou Mayonnaise +1. May I also suggest, dijon, spicy, and scalloped. Cheers, Clint From mirjam.waeckerlin at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 13:30:28 2008 From: mirjam.waeckerlin at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mirjam_W=E4ckerlin?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:30:28 +0100 Subject: Fedora Electronics Lab - Linux For You Current Issue In-Reply-To: <4790A8AC.4000808@fedoraproject.org> References: <4790A8AC.4000808@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <2afa92000801180530n2550797dj626ffeb9ee891a94@mail.gmail.com> I think it's in the current issue of the sister magazine "Electronics for you" ... at least that abstract would fit: "Linux Special A Complete Lab of Electronics Tools Engineers working on electronics component design and simulation need a complete stack of software tools. What if you get a complete set of tools in a single CD which runs on its own?" http://www.efymag.com/currentissue.asp?id=12 Mirjam From henrique_csj at yahoo.com.br Fri Jan 18 13:55:35 2008 From: henrique_csj at yahoo.com.br (Henrique de Castro) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:55:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Res: Fedora 9 Message-ID: <101767.24673.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Here in Brazil (and I bet that in all Latin countries) the choice of this codenames have caused a negative reaction even in the more enthusiastic users. Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior "The best diplomat that I know is a fully-loaded phaser bank." Lt. Cdr. Montgomery Scott ("A Taste of Armageddon") ----- Mensagem original ---- De: Rahul Sundaram Para: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 18 de Janeiro de 2008 11:28:32 Assunto: Re: Fedora 9 Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I agree with Padula, half of these names are diseases or monters, man, > this codename should be something cool, not a monster. What is this? > Fedora Monster, Fedora Disease? > > I think we need to review this list. There was a open call in fedora-devel list and all of the names were suggested from people in the community and need to pass through legal review which has already been done. The names won't be changed now. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Abra sua conta no Yahoo! 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I heard that the fisrt Fedora codenames were all alchool-related. Zod is a fiction character. Moonshine is a home-distilled alchool made specially in places where this production is illegal. Werewolf is a legendary monster. We really want to associate Fedora with alchool? Fedora is not made by drunks, I'm sure. Developers may drink, but they don't produce any code or work under effect of alchool, I'm sure (and, if yes, I think is better if Fedora users don't know that). And what about monsters? Has someone here ever seen a werewolf, a chupacabra, or Zod? Fedora is real, and its codename need to be something undoubtedly real. Finally, I can't figure out how 3 diseases names could be accepted as options. What type of marketing could we do with names like those, "Fedora 9: Sick, like you"? Why I'm saying this? Because we have a list with codenames that vary from bad to worst and we are responsible for this because we don't suggested better codenames. We need to participate this process before we start do have Fedora Dracula, Malt or Ebola... By now, let's choose a codename that is not so bad. Best regards, Davidson Paulo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DavidsonPaulo From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 18 17:53:37 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:53:37 +0100 Subject: introduce myself In-Reply-To: <266976.58688.qm@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> References: <266976.58688.qm@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome on board! Regards Francesco 2008/1/18, Ama M : > > Welcome to the list > > Ndewoo!! > > ------------------------------------- > Ama Mgbeoji > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AmaMgbeoji > ------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: brendon > To: Fedora > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:39:06 AM > Subject: introduce myself > > Hi there one and all, I am emailing the mailing list to introduce > myself. > > My name is Brendon Toogood, I come from new zealand, my main aim is to > get Linux/open source more out to the general public and in to the > business sector. I am running FC8 but in the past i have used FC2,3,4 > for a few years after I used a couple of other distributions to see what > they were like and compare them. (there were debian based and that is as > far as I will go on the list). > > I would like to do my part in the marketing of the Fedora project so > that is why I am here in this mailing list to see in any way in which I > can help, and do my part. > > yours > Brendon Toogood > Linux consultant > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From eduardo.villagran.morales at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 18:12:11 2008 From: eduardo.villagran.morales at gmail.com (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:12:11 -0300 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <47904898.4090807@projetofedora.org> References: <47904898.4090807@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1200679931.2678.3.camel@caleuche> El vie, 18-01-2008 a las 01:35 -0500, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira escribi?: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All!! > > Only stupid names are listed here. Yes > This can not be serious. > Codename must be related to previous codenames, but this codenames are ugly. > Dragicorn > Chingachgook > Asperger > Marfan > Tourette > Chupacabra > Bathysphere > Kingsport Town > Sulphur > Mayonnaise > Woodwose > Barmanou > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHkEiYPg3HAC1vlg4RAt27AJ9qiYVit5eCu64QAy4A2ajRpMGO9QCcClXM > tDknOPlAc61VZCK3mZY7UU0= > =K00t > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Embajador Fedora Linuxdiinf.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The heroic character Chingachgook could be good name, but are we the last of our kind? Wouldn't 'Kingsport Town' infringe on copyrights due to the Song of the same name (by Bob Dylan for the curious)? And what's the reasoning behind the Mayonnaise name, anyway? I don't see Fedora being a 'condiment' of any sort. From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 18:39:09 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:39:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 and beyond : Name Suggestion and Features Wish List Message-ID: The Fedora 9 name should be Phoenix or Resurrection, taking the death of 8 and bringing about the reborn 9! The Fedora 10 name MUST be Eagle, the name used on the Apollo 11 Lunar Module, it symbolizes FREEDOM as well! I hope there will be an optional MAC-like 3D dock replacing the standard GNOME dock, that would be so cool in Fedora 9 or 10! A calendar like widget should also be present and an iMovie-like editor for video too. Onward and forward! 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Unfortunately cool names have a tendency of being used for other products, which lands us in Legal trouble should we use them for Fedora. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ricky at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 18 22:51:24 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:51:24 -0500 Subject: Paul Frields Takes Over at Fedora In-Reply-To: <1200543965.25117.205.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <478E2FA3.4020402@fedoraproject.org> <1200543965.25117.205.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080118225124.GG23477@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> On 2008-01-17 04:26:05 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Thanks, I'm sure it won't be the last time. ;-) Worst experience ever > with my name: > > "How do you spell your last name?" > "F-R-I-E-L-D-S." > "Ummm..." > "Like Fields, but with an 'R'." > "Oh, FIELDSR." Funny, I guess the misspellings must come with the job :) Outgoing Fedora Project Leader Max Spivack talks to Linux.com (video) http://www.linux.com/feature/124819 Ricky -- Hah! Almost misspelled "misspellings" there. Thanks, Vim spell-checking! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(there were debian based and that is as > far as I will go on the list). > > I would like to do my part in the marketing of the Fedora project so > that is why I am here in this mailing list to see in any way in which I > can help, and do my part. > > yours > Brendon Toogood > Linux consultant > From stickster at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 02:59:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:59:53 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <4790ECAA.4050401@prodigy.net.mx> References: <47904898.4090807@projetofedora.org> <4790ECAA.4050401@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1200711593.3327.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 12:15 -0600, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I must confess that the disease names (Marfan, Asperger, Tourette) Or > the beast names (Dragicorn, Chupacabra, Woodwoose, Barmanou), are rather > out of place... Especially the disease one... If you take into account > what each of these syndromes affects, what's the message?. Since > Werewolf, seems like mythic fauna has been set as a theme, of these new > names I like Dragicorn the best, as the others have rather... odd > associations (do we really want to link Fedora to a 'Sasquatch' or > 'hominid' ape? Not to mention to the bloodsucking 'Chupacabra'?). The > heroic character Chingachgook could be good name, but are we the last of > our kind? Wouldn't 'Kingsport Town' infringe on copyrights due to the > Song of the same name (by Bob Dylan for the curious)? And what's the > reasoning behind the Mayonnaise name, anyway? I don't see Fedora being a > 'condiment' of any sort. For what it's worth, a friend of mine who attended my university's School of Engineering told me a great story about a professor who started the first day of class with the thunderous and stentorian proclamation: "There is NO engineering problem which cannot be solved with the right amount of mayonnaise." -- Paul W. 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From inode0 at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 03:28:14 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:28:14 -0600 Subject: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <4790ECAA.4050401@prodigy.net.mx> References: <47904898.4090807@projetofedora.org> <4790ECAA.4050401@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: On Jan 18, 2008 12:15 PM, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > ... Wouldn't 'Kingsport Town' infringe on copyrights due to the > Song of the same name (by Bob Dylan for the curious)? ... Kingsport Town is a traditional song, unless Dylan's arrangement is used as Fedora theme music I don't think you would infringe his copyright at least. Although I'm sympathetic with your general points here. John From kwade at redhat.com Sat Jan 19 07:08:58 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:08:58 -0800 Subject: introduce myself In-Reply-To: <1200652746.2989.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200652746.2989.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1200726538.20813.110.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 23:39 +1300, brendon wrote: > Hi there one and all, I am emailing the mailing list to introduce > myself. Hello, welcome. > I would like to do my part in the marketing of the Fedora project so > that is why I am here in this mailing list to see in any way in which I > can help, and do my part. This is a very exciting time to be involved in Fedora marketing. Historically there hasn't been much to do here other than talk. Many people are now coming together with the goal of making a marketing group with goals to accomplish. 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Many > people are now coming together with the goal of making a marketing group > with goals to accomplish. > > While tonight there isn't a comprehensive task this for this group, > we'll see that being built over the next few weeks. Join in the > discussions and offer to help where you think you can commit. > > > > Brendon Toogood > Ambassador Of Fedora Project > HTTP://www.fedoraproject.org > Email:btoogood at slingshot.co.nz > for cd's and dvds From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 09:16:56 2008 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:16:56 +0100 Subject: Fedora Electronics Lab - Linux For You Current Issue In-Reply-To: <2afa92000801180530n2550797dj626ffeb9ee891a94@mail.gmail.com> References: <4790A8AC.4000808@fedoraproject.org> <2afa92000801180530n2550797dj626ffeb9ee891a94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30801200116kfb40a50gf0625b8faddacebe@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 18, 2008 2:30 PM, Mirjam W?ckerlin wrote: > I think it's in the current issue of the sister magazine "Electronics > for you" ... Hai there thanks Mirjam. Yes indeed it from Electronics For You (EFY) magazine 2008 Jan I just got a mail (see below) this morning related to that article. aside http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo, is there any article how to create a LIVEUSB from a livecd on a windows box ? ========================= Dear Chitlesh Sir, I am in Bombay, Goregaon-E. Studying part time computer classes. I have the Fedora\FEL CD from Electronics For You (EFY) magazine 2008 Jan. Works only one time. On 2nd time & further booting, plenty of errors. I bought 4GB Pen Drive to install on that properly with right partitions (Swap/Root/Home), hoping to have a self contained stable installation. Transcend Pen drive is preformatted by WIN XP. I tried all sorts of circus I know, but no success. It will be very nice of you if you could please advice:- 1. Step by step instructions to install on pen drive 4GB, including partitioning etc. I do enjoy doing my hands on own R&D 2. Please suggest an Indian source to buy 4GB pen drive FEDORA\FEL preinstalled. Your team's kind co operation will be Highly Appreciated. Please forgive any mistakes from me. Eagerly waiting for solutions ======================== From mirjam.waeckerlin at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:07:26 2008 From: mirjam.waeckerlin at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mirjam_W=E4ckerlin?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:07:26 +0100 Subject: Fedora Electronics Lab - Linux For You Current Issue In-Reply-To: <50baabb30801200116kfb40a50gf0625b8faddacebe@mail.gmail.com> References: <4790A8AC.4000808@fedoraproject.org> <2afa92000801180530n2550797dj626ffeb9ee891a94@mail.gmail.com> <50baabb30801200116kfb40a50gf0625b8faddacebe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2afa92000801200207p6d4ae487w77cf5b4f2010a938@mail.gmail.com> Hey there, I just bought an online subscription for the EFY online magazine.. Now I have the definite proof that the article (about four pages) is about FEL - yay! :). It's here (only for subscribers): http://www.efymagonline.com/showme.asp?id=2014&title=A%20Complete%20Lab%20of%20Electronics%20Tools&issue=January2008 A little downer though: I was surprised to see that they didn't give any link to fedora neither to any FEL-related sites (like Chit's blog or the wiki). But although, I think it's great - they claim on their site that they have about half a million subscribers. (http://www.efymagonline.com/profile.asp) Mirjam From satyajit at nerdshack.com Sun Jan 20 15:19:01 2008 From: satyajit at nerdshack.com (Satyajit Ranjeev) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:49:01 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <20080102103113.E5D8573097@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080102103113.E5D8573097@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1200842341.10976.1.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> Hi all, I do agree with a lot of others about the names regarding the new fedora release. How about we have an option wherein we add names we like and others can vote on the names or add their choice. The final one probably could be the one with the most number of votes. Satyajit -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Sun Jan 20 18:26:40 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:26:40 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <1200842341.10976.1.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> References: <20080102103113.E5D8573097@hormel.redhat.com> <1200842341.10976.1.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: <47939260.9080308@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +1 for include more names in the list! Satyajit Ranjeev escreveu: | Hi all, | | I do agree with a lot of others about the names regarding the new fedora | release. How about we have an option wherein we add names we like and | others can vote on the names or add their choice. The final one probably | could be the one with the most number of votes. | | Satyajit | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHk5JgPg3HAC1vlg4RAni1AJ9mXLVX9ngT9MDSy0HfqVxZtOuDDwCfQGOq 2kYkiD1W7QWFFtqVFJgxdXQ= =uDdE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkeating at j2solutions.net Sun Jan 20 15:35:41 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:35:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <1200842341.10976.1.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> References: <20080102103113.E5D8573097@hormel.redhat.com> <1200842341.10976.1.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: <20080120103541.28243878@j2solutions.net> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:49:01 +0530 Satyajit Ranjeev wrote: > I do agree with a lot of others about the names regarding the new > fedora release. How about we have an option wherein we add names we > like and others can vote on the names or add their choice. The final > one probably could be the one with the most number of votes. Unfortunately that won't work, as all names have to be cleared by Legal. The ability to suggest names for the upcoming Fedora release is a honor we grant people who put up with the traffic on fedora-devel-list, and participate in the ongoing development of Fedora. It used to be something exclusive to Red Hat employees, but over the years we've opened it a bit more. However it's not a free for all, and it is a bonus for those that are doing a lot of the work. If you want the ability to add suggestions, be on that list near the start of a development cycle when the call for suggestions goes out. We take all the reasonable suggestions that follow the formula and run them through Red Hat's legal team (not a small cost) to find the names that would be acceptable should they be chosen. Then the vote is provided for a larger set of folks. That's how it happens. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Sun Jan 20 19:39:23 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:39:23 -0500 Subject: Res: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1200665606.2527.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <101767.24673.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1200665606.2527.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4793A36B.7050602@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +1 Juan Camilo Prada escreveu: | | | On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 05:55 -0800, Henrique de Castro wrote: |> Here in Brazil (and I bet that in all Latin countries) the choice of |> this codenames have caused a negative reaction even in the more |> enthusiastic users. | | I agree, I'm from Colombia and so far many people think those names may | get fedora to lost some credibility | in front of some other distros. For example that Chupacabra, thats a | ridiculous code name (no offense to the one who proposed it) | | | Juan Camilo Prada - | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHk6NrPg3HAC1vlg4RArE+AKCtkElfuFwDlfNQxgqmhpqJG5DJ3gCgrEO4 Pzw3ZZXuJP6xydPhAHnkahY= =r2Ko -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mackay3 at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 17:47:35 2008 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:47:35 -0600 Subject: Res: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <4793A36B.7050602@projetofedora.org> References: <101767.24673.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1200665606.2527.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4793A36B.7050602@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00801210947h60fb5b5br64208f625962e976@mail.gmail.com> -1 Names have allways been relaxed and fun. 2008/1/20, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > +1 > > Juan Camilo Prada escreveu: > | > | > | On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 05:55 -0800, Henrique de Castro wrote: > |> Here in Brazil (and I bet that in all Latin countries) the choice of > |> this codenames have caused a negative reaction even in the more > |> enthusiastic users. > | > | I agree, I'm from Colombia and so far many people think those names may > | get fedora to lost some credibility > | in front of some other distros. For example that Chupacabra, thats a > | ridiculous code name (no offense to the one who proposed it) > | > | > | Juan Camilo Prada - > | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada > | > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHk6NrPg3HAC1vlg4RArE+AKCtkElfuFwDlfNQxgqmhpqJG5DJ3gCgrEO4 > Pzw3ZZXuJP6xydPhAHnkahY= > =r2Ko > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How Chupacabra is related with Fedora 8 codename? 8 generations of traditions on codenames, this must continue > > 2008/1/20, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > +1 > > Juan Camilo Prada escreveu: > | > | > | On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 05:55 -0800, Henrique de Castro wrote: > |> Here in Brazil (and I bet that in all Latin countries) the > choice of > |> this codenames have caused a negative reaction even in the > more > |> enthusiastic users. > | > | I agree, I'm from Colombia and so far many people think > those names may > | get fedora to lost some credibility > | in front of some other distros. For example that Chupacabra, > thats a > | ridiculous code name (no offense to the one who proposed it) > | > | > | Juan Camilo Prada - > | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada > | > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHk6NrPg3HAC1vlg4RArE > +AKCtkElfuFwDlfNQxgqmhpqJG5DJ3gCgrEO4 > Pzw3ZZXuJP6xydPhAHnkahY= > =r2Ko > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Embajador Fedora Linuxdiinf.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 11:47 -0600, John Mackay wrote: > -1 > Names have allways been relaxed and fun. > > 2008/1/20, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > +1 > > Juan Camilo Prada escreveu: > | > | > | On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 05:55 -0800, Henrique de Castro wrote: > |> Here in Brazil (and I bet that in all Latin countries) the > choice of > |> this codenames have caused a negative reaction even in the > more > |> enthusiastic users. > | > | I agree, I'm from Colombia and so far many people think > those names may > | get fedora to lost some credibility > | in front of some other distros. For example that Chupacabra, > thats a > | ridiculous code name (no offense to the one who proposed it) > | > | > | Juan Camilo Prada - > | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada > | > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHk6NrPg3HAC1vlg4RArE > +AKCtkElfuFwDlfNQxgqmhpqJG5DJ3gCgrEO4 > Pzw3ZZXuJP6xydPhAHnkahY= > =r2Ko > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > ---------- Juan Camilo Prada - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 00:40 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > man, 21 01 2008 kl. 20:20 -0300, skrev Eduardo Villagr?n Morales: > > El lun, 21-01-2008 a las 11:47 -0600, John Mackay escribi?: > > > -1 > > > Names have allways been relaxed and fun. > > How Chupacabra is related with Fedora 8 codename? > > 8 generations of traditions on codenames, this must continue > > Both the werewolf and the chupacabra are mythical creatures. The latter > is probably better known as The Mexican Goatsucker. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra > > - David > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list ---------- Juan Camilo Prada - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hear a lot of complaints about the options, but while most of them are indeed diseases and monsters (and mayonnaise, whats with that?), its still to be determined which name is the actual winner, voted by the majority. On a side note, I voted for Chupacabra because it was indeed a ridiculous name, but had a hard choice not picking "Dragicorn" instead. 2008/1/21 Juan Camilo Prada : > being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a ridiculous > name! almost all spanish speakers may agree with me!! > > On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 00:40 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > > man, 21 01 2008 kl. 20:20 -0300, skrev Eduardo Villagr?n Morales: > > > El lun, 21-01-2008 a las 11:47 -0600, John Mackay escribi?: > > > > -1 > > > > Names have allways been relaxed and fun. > > > How Chupacabra is related with Fedora 8 codename? > > > 8 generations of traditions on codenames, this must continue > > > > Both the werewolf and the chupacabra are mythical creatures. The latter > > is probably better known as The Mexican Goatsucker. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra > > > > - David > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > ---------- > Juan Camilo Prada - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: www.isocron.net [En Construcci?n] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Por supuesto que es un nombre rid?culo" From eduardo.villagran.morales at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 00:10:06 2008 From: eduardo.villagran.morales at gmail.com (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:10:06 -0300 Subject: Res: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1200958822.23842.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <101767.24673.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1200665606.2527.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4793A36B.7050602@projetofedora.org> <5d88dfb00801210947h60fb5b5br64208f625962e976@mail.gmail.com> <1200957606.2406.2.camel@caleuche> <1200958822.23842.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1200960606.2824.3.camel@caleuche> El mar, 22-01-2008 a las 00:40 +0100, David Nielsen escribi?: > man, 21 01 2008 kl. 20:20 -0300, skrev Eduardo Villagr?n Morales: > > El lun, 21-01-2008 a las 11:47 -0600, John Mackay escribi?: > > > -1 > > > Names have allways been relaxed and fun. > > How Chupacabra is related with Fedora 8 codename? > > 8 generations of traditions on codenames, this must continue > > Both the werewolf and the chupacabra are mythical creatures. The latter > is probably better known as The Mexican Goatsucker. Werewolf is related to a movie, like Moonshine. Then werewolf (as mythical) is related with Chupacabra, it is OK. But Chupacabra is ridiculous, other mythical creature is Frankenstein. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra > > - David > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Embajador Fedora Linuxdiinf.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje est? firmada digitalmente URL: From eduardo.villagran.morales at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 00:11:16 2008 From: eduardo.villagran.morales at gmail.com (Eduardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Villagr=E1n?= Morales) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:11:16 -0300 Subject: Res: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <479531A1.6010805@prodigy.net.mx> References: <101767.24673.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1200665606.2527.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4793A36B.7050602@projetofedora.org> <5d88dfb00801210947h60fb5b5br64208f625962e976@mail.gmail.com> <1200957606.2406.2.camel@caleuche> <1200958822.23842.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1200959093.10611.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <479531A1.6010805@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1200960676.2824.5.camel@caleuche> El lun, 21-01-2008 a las 17:58 -0600, Gian Paolo Mureddu escribi?: > Juan Camilo Prada escribi?: > > being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a ridiculous > > name! almost all spanish speakers may agree with me!! > > > > > Amen to that, brother! > > "Por supuesto que es un nombre rid?culo" Concuerdo contigo! +1 > -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Embajador Fedora Linuxdiinf.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will use only the number 9 or people will laugh in my face. lol Juan Camilo Prada escreveu: | being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a ridiculous | name! almost all spanish speakers may agree with me!! | | On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 00:40 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: |> man, 21 01 2008 kl. 20:20 -0300, skrev Eduardo Villagr?n Morales: |>> El lun, 21-01-2008 a las 11:47 -0600, John Mackay escribi?: |>>> -1 |>>> Names have allways been relaxed and fun. |>> How Chupacabra is related with Fedora 8 codename? |>> 8 generations of traditions on codenames, this must continue |> Both the werewolf and the chupacabra are mythical creatures. The latter |> is probably better known as The Mexican Goatsucker. |> |> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra |> |> - David |> -- |> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list |> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com |> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list | ---------- | Juan Camilo Prada - | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHlWsyPg3HAC1vlg4RAjN+AJ4mv9TPZwsDWgTWZkIXiRpd6a/JSQCgq3DO nVvjOQ9Qbm8uovFK0NSAxLg= =SUMm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux at elfshadow.net Tue Jan 22 02:30:10 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:30:10 -0500 Subject: Store SIG Meeting 2008-01-23 - Cancelled Message-ID: <10e0a9b00801211830x7b6069bbsf8fedf2e9fb9655c@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately I will not be able to lead the Store SIG meeting this week. I lost a crown tonight and the first available dental appointment is going to interfere with the normally scheduled meeting time. I will update the meeting page to reflect the change and we'll meet again next week. Thanks! Jeffrey From henriquecsj at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 02:48:58 2008 From: henriquecsj at gmail.com (Henrique Junior) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:48:58 -0200 Subject: Res: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <47956B32.3070402@projetofedora.org> References: <101767.24673.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1200665606.2527.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4793A36B.7050602@projetofedora.org> <5d88dfb00801210947h60fb5b5br64208f625962e976@mail.gmail.com> <1200957606.2406.2.camel@caleuche> <1200958822.23842.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1200959093.10611.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47956B32.3070402@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <4f629b520801211848l356e2e5l1998d6a746ccd6ce@mail.gmail.com> (...) If a ridiculous name like that is approved, I do not spread in my lectures or in the Brazilian media. I will use only the number 9 or people will laugh in my face. lol (...) +1 2008/1/22, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > +1 > > If a ridiculous name like that is approved, I do not spread in my > lectures or in the Brazilian media. I will use only the number 9 or > people will laugh in my face. lol > > Juan Camilo Prada escreveu: > | being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a ridiculous > | name! almost all spanish speakers may agree with me!! > | > | On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 00:40 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > |> man, 21 01 2008 kl. 20:20 -0300, skrev Eduardo Villagr?n Morales: > |>> El lun, 21-01-2008 a las 11:47 -0600, John Mackay escribi?: > |>>> -1 > |>>> Names have allways been relaxed and fun. > |>> How Chupacabra is related with Fedora 8 codename? > |>> 8 generations of traditions on codenames, this must continue > |> Both the werewolf and the chupacabra are mythical creatures. The latter > |> is probably better known as The Mexican Goatsucker. > |> > |> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra > |> > |> - David > |> -- > |> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > |> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > |> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > | ---------- > | Juan Camilo Prada - > | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada > | > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHlWsyPg3HAC1vlg4RAjN+AJ4mv9TPZwsDWgTWZkIXiRpd6a/JSQCgq3DO > nVvjOQ9Qbm8uovFK0NSAxLg= > =SUMm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior ------------------------------------------------------------- "The best diplomat that I know is a fully-loaded phaser bank." Lt. Cdr. 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I will use only the number 9 or > people will laugh in my face. lol > (...) > > +1 +1 > > 2008/1/22, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira > : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > +1 > > If a ridiculous name like that is approved, I do not spread in > my > lectures or in the Brazilian media. I will use only the number > 9 or > people will laugh in my face. lol > > Juan Camilo Prada escreveu: > | being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a > ridiculous > | name! almost all spanish speakers may agree with me!! > | > | On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 00:40 +0100, David Nielsen wrote: > |> man, 21 01 2008 kl. 20:20 -0300, skrev Eduardo Villagr?n > Morales: > |>> El lun, 21-01-2008 a las 11:47 -0600, John Mackay > escribi?: > |>>> -1 > |>>> Names have allways been relaxed and fun. > |>> How Chupacabra is related with Fedora 8 codename? > |>> 8 generations of traditions on codenames, this must > continue > |> Both the werewolf and the chupacabra are mythical > creatures. The latter > |> is probably better known as The Mexican Goatsucker. > |> > |> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra > |> > |> - David > |> -- > |> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > |> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > |> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > | ---------- > | Juan Camilo Prada - > | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada > | > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHlWsyPg3HAC1vlg4RAjN > +AJ4mv9TPZwsDWgTWZkIXiRpd6a/JSQCgq3DO > nVvjOQ9Qbm8uovFK0NSAxLg= > =SUMm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior > ------------------------------------------------------------- > "The best diplomat that I know is a fully-loaded phaser bank." > Lt. Cdr. Montgomery Scott ("A Taste of Armageddon") > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Eduardo Villagr?n Morales Embajador Fedora Linuxdiinf.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just tried to create LiveUSB and it rocks :) Though not being able to boot from them in qemu, but working in the real world. I used rawhide-kde4 image, will try FEL tonight. I think I should start voluntary installation, can ask people to send money/USB key to me and I will just install the send back the key with whatever image they want to install. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 22 07:13:25 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:43:25 +0530 Subject: Spinning a Fedora Linux Live CD Message-ID: <47959795.9040104@fedoraproject.org> Hi Chris Negus, who authored on book on Linux live cd's that covered Kadischi now has a very comprehensive article on Fedora livecd-creator. Check it out. http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1157197 "The Fedora project has added a powerful tool to its Linux distribution to build your own live CD. With a single livecd-creator command and a kickstart file listing the software you want, you can create a desktop, gaming, or Web server to run live on most PCs. This article gives details of how to do that." Digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Spinning_a_Fedora_Linux_Live_CD Rahul From elio at tondo.it Tue Jan 22 07:11:38 2008 From: elio at tondo.it (Elio Tondo) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:11:38 +0100 Subject: Res: Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <1200960606.2824.3.camel@caleuche> References: <101767.24673.qm@web45510.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1200665606.2527.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4793A36B.7050602@projetofedora.org> <5d88dfb00801210947h60fb5b5br64208f625962e976@mail.gmail.com> <1200957606.2406.2.camel@caleuche> <1200958822.23842.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1200960606.2824.3.camel@caleuche> Message-ID: <4795972A.4030606@tondo.it> Eduardo Villagr?n Morales wrote: >>>> Names have allways been relaxed and fun. >>> How Chupacabra is related with Fedora 8 codename? >>> 8 generations of traditions on codenames, this must continue >> Both the werewolf and the chupacabra are mythical creatures. The latter >> is probably better known as The Mexican Goatsucker. > Werewolf is related to a movie, like Moonshine. Then werewolf (as > mythical) is related with Chupacabra, it is OK. > But Chupacabra is ridiculous, other mythical creature is Frankenstein. Henrique Junior wrote: > If a ridiculous name like that is approved, I do not spread in my > lectures or in the Brazilian media. I will use only the number 9 or > people will laugh in my face. lol I agree. I voted for Woodwose, that I feel can continue the "tradition". Elio (from Italy, in the process of joining the Ambassadors group) From satyajit at nerdshack.com Tue Jan 22 10:01:55 2008 From: satyajit at nerdshack.com (Satyajit Ranjeev) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:31:55 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> Juan Camilo Prada wrote > > being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a > ridiculous name! +1 I totally agree with Juan. Why don't they decide a name which wouldn't repel people away from the distribution. Is Fedora a disease that soon we would have to eradicate. It is said that the a person becomes the name and I think the same goes with any thing. Satyajit -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is said that the a person becomes the > name and I think the same goes with any thing. > > Satyajit > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 22 10:34:09 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:04:09 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: <4795C6A1.2030503@fedoraproject.org> affix at ihack.co.uk wrote: > i agree on this although i think chupakabra is a great name. Its > fierce and powerful. Just like fedora This explains why moaning about any one of the choice of codenames is energy that is better devoted to doing useful marketing tasks which this list is meant to coordinate. How about anybody volunteering to do some of that? Everybody had their chance to provide feedback and suggest codenames. People who missed it this time can participate the next release. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jan 22 10:28:24 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:28:24 +0200 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: <4795C548.3000800@nicubunu.ro> affix at ihack.co.uk wrote: > i agree on this although i think chupakabra is a great name. And you proved the opposite by misspelling the name :D -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From elio at tondo.it Tue Jan 22 11:07:20 2008 From: elio at tondo.it (Elio Tondo) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:07:20 +0100 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> Message-ID: <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> Satyajit Ranjeev wrote: > Juan Camilo Prada wrote >> being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a >> ridiculous name! > > +1 > I totally agree with Juan. Why don't they decide a name which wouldn't > repel people away from the distribution. Is Fedora a disease that soon > we would have to eradicate. It is said that the a person becomes the > name and I think the same goes with any thing. Just for my curiosity: what's the meaning of having included three disease names among the choices? ;-) Elio From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 22 12:18:28 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:48:28 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> Message-ID: <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> Elio Tondo wrote: > Satyajit Ranjeev wrote: > >> Juan Camilo Prada wrote >>> being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a >>> ridiculous name! >> >> +1 I totally agree with Juan. Why don't they decide a name which wouldn't >> repel people away from the distribution. Is Fedora a disease that soon >> we would have to eradicate. It is said that the a person becomes the >> name and I think the same goes with any thing. > > Just for my curiosity: what's the meaning of having included three > disease names among the choices? ;-) All of the codenames are those suggested in the fedora-devel thread. Read it if you want the details. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-December/msg01000.html Rahul From pablo.floss at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 14:59:34 2008 From: pablo.floss at gmail.com (Pablo Barrera) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:59:34 -0300 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46d0f200801220659i618a32d7l8ad72a920884896f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Why not to stay focused , no how get the people with the advantages of Fedora, than discuss if a codename or another is properly or not?. Ridiculous is discuss this things. Reaction of people of the "codename", What People?.....people who wants to use another option, are focused on the option, not in the codename, this is a geek business, not "human" business.... We have more work to, strategy plans to spread Fedora, than lost our time to read this unnecesary discussion. Besides, Codenames are traditional, and a thread about the usefulness of a codename is really ridiculous... Best regards -- Pablo Barrera -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From choke at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 15:27:19 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:27:19 -0500 Subject: Hello Fedora Marketing! Message-ID: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> Hi! My name's Colby Hoke, you can call me choke - that's how most people remember me anyway. I wanted to introduce myself to you all. I'm a Red Hat employee and work on a lot of the videos you'll see on Red Hat Magazine. I've done a lot of the work on the last 3 videos promoting Fedora and getting a good consistent "feel" for what a Fedora promo looks like. (They're the ones with the archival footage, if you've seen them.) Anyway, I'm a former Computer Science student at NC State University, but I switched into Film Studies my junior year and really got into editing, color correction, and compositing. I'm a big supporter of digital rights and Creative Commons. As far as Fedora goes, I recently got into video editing in open source environments and am helping test a version of Kino that we can roll into the Fedora repo. Once that's done, I hope to roll a "designer" version of Fedora that includes all the usual suspects (Inkscape, GIMP, etc) so that someone can make a video, add graphics, 3D, whatever, and then render it to an ogg for everyone to see. Anyway, enough about that. If anyone has any questions for me, I'd be happy to answer them. And... it's wonderful to be on the list. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Tue Jan 22 15:50:13 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:50:13 +0200 Subject: Hello Fedora Marketing! In-Reply-To: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> References: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <479610B5.1070602@nicubunu.ro> Colby Hoke wrote: > > As far as Fedora goes, I recently got into video editing in open source > environments and am helping test a version of Kino that we can roll into > the Fedora repo. Once that's done, I hope to roll a "designer" version > of Fedora that includes all the usual suspects (Inkscape, GIMP, etc) so > that someone can make a video, add graphics, 3D, whatever, and then > render it to an ogg for everyone to see. I am delighted to hear this. We at the Art Team are planning such a spin (even called it the "Art Studio" spin), we were not ready for F8 and postponed the plans maybe for F9. Some new blood potentially will revive it. Please join the Art list [2] so we can talk about the topic in the right place. [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio [2] - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 15:55:37 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:55:37 -0800 Subject: Hello Fedora Marketing! In-Reply-To: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> References: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201017337.10247.73.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 10:27 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > Hi! > > My name's Colby Hoke, you can call me choke - that's how most people > remember me anyway. I wanted to introduce myself to you all. I'm a Red > Hat employee and work on a lot of the videos you'll see on Red Hat > Magazine. I've done a lot of the work on the last 3 videos promoting > Fedora and getting a good consistent "feel" for what a Fedora promo > looks like. (They're the ones with the archival footage, if you've seen > them.) Welcome. It was great to meet you f2f recently, and I'm really excited you and other marketing kin are joining us here. Good times! - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Jan 22 16:16:49 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:16:49 +0000 Subject: Hello Fedora Marketing! In-Reply-To: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> References: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201018609.2691.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey, On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 10:27 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > Hi! > > My name's Colby Hoke, you can call me choke - that's how most people > remember me anyway. I wanted to introduce myself to you all. I'm a Red > Hat employee and work on a lot of the videos you'll see on Red Hat > Magazine. I've done a lot of the work on the last 3 videos promoting > Fedora and getting a good consistent "feel" for what a Fedora promo > looks like. (They're the ones with the archival footage, if you've seen > them.) I have seen them and they're awesome :) Is great to have you here with us and looking forward to working with you in the future! Best wishes, Jon From choke at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 16:24:39 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:24:39 -0500 Subject: Hello Fedora Marketing! In-Reply-To: <1201018609.2691.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> <1201018609.2691.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <479618C7.90804@redhat.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > > On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 10:27 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> My name's Colby Hoke, you can call me choke - that's how most people >> remember me anyway. I wanted to introduce myself to you all. I'm a Red >> Hat employee and work on a lot of the videos you'll see on Red Hat >> Magazine. I've done a lot of the work on the last 3 videos promoting >> Fedora and getting a good consistent "feel" for what a Fedora promo >> looks like. (They're the ones with the archival footage, if you've seen >> them.) >> > > I have seen them and they're awesome :) Is great to have you here with > us and looking forward to working with you in the future! > > Best wishes, > > Jon > > > Thanks, Jon! I'm hoping we can all do some big things for Fedora. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 18:33:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:33:17 -0500 Subject: Hello Fedora Marketing! In-Reply-To: <1201017337.10247.73.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> <1201017337.10247.73.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1201026797.15338.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 07:55 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 10:27 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > > Hi! > > > > My name's Colby Hoke, you can call me choke - that's how most people > > remember me anyway. I wanted to introduce myself to you all. I'm a Red > > Hat employee and work on a lot of the videos you'll see on Red Hat > > Magazine. I've done a lot of the work on the last 3 videos promoting > > Fedora and getting a good consistent "feel" for what a Fedora promo > > looks like. (They're the ones with the archival footage, if you've seen > > them.) > > Welcome. It was great to meet you f2f recently, and I'm really excited > you and other marketing kin are joining us here. Good times! Same goes for me. I can't wait to see some of the footage from the Raleigh FUDCon... mainly the sessions that I missed! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 22 19:21:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:51:36 +0530 Subject: Linux Format Interviews Red =?windows-1252?q?Hat=92s_Jack_Aboutbo?= =?windows-1252?q?ul?= Message-ID: <47964240.50101@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/pdfs/LXF99.iview.pdf "Fedora?s dedication to opening everything is not just for hackers ? it has a wider importance in that our approach is an agent for social change" Rahul From gerold at lugd.org Tue Jan 22 20:17:07 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:17:07 +0100 Subject: Linuxtag 2008, Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <1201033027.3468.30.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> ***************************** *** english Version below *** ***************************** Hallo zusammen! Wie Ihr sicher schon der Homepage des Linuxtages [1] entnommen habt, ist der Linuxtag in diesem Jahr wieder in Berlin. Er findet in der Zeit vom 28. Mai bis einschl. 31. Mai 2008 statt. Fedora wird wieder mit einem gr??eren Stand vertreten sein, welcher vom "Linuxtag Team" der Fedora Ambassadors [2] organisiert wird. Wir w?rden uns freuen, wenn a.) von der Community Leute auf den Linuxtag kommen und b.) Der Eine oder Andere sich angesprochen f?hlt und mitmachen m?chte. Wir versprechen jede Menge Spass, Arbeit, Fun und die M?glichkeit viele Gr??en der Linux-Community einmal live zu erleben. Mit an 100%-tiger Wahrscheinlichkeit wird Paul Frields [3] den Fedora Project Verantwortlichen sowie auch Max Spevack [4] seinen Vorg?nger am Linuxtag von Fedora-Seite aus vertreten sein. Wer Interesse hat mitzuarbeiten, sei es als "Standpersonal" oder im "OrgaTeam" der m?ge sich bitte melden! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dear *, maybe you all noticed from the homepage of Linuxtag [1] that the event is again in Berlin this year. He will take place from 2008-05-28 till 2008-05-31. The Fedora Project will be present with a bigger booth, which will be organized by the "Linuxtag Team" of the Fedora Ambassadors [2]. We would be pleased, if a.) Community Member will visit us at the LInuxtag and b.) the one or other will feel spoken to help and attend us as team. We can promise a lot of fun, work and the possibility to meet in person some honors of the worldwide Linux community live. Not per 100% for sure, but we hope that Paul Frields [3] as Fedora Project Leader and also Max Spevack [4] as former Project Leader will be present. Who is interested in teamwork, maybe as "booth personal" nor in the "OrgaTeam" fell free and contact me or someone out of the team ... [1] http://www.linuxtag.org/2008 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2008/FLTT [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa at fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From joadams at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 21:07:48 2008 From: joadams at redhat.com (John Adams) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:07:48 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager Message-ID: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> Greetings, Fedora Marketing List! My name is John Adams, and I joined Red Hat in July 2007 as Brand Manager in the Corporate Marketing group. In my role, I help to define brand strategies both for the corporate brand itself (Red Hat) as well as our portfolio of product brands. Prior to joining Red Hat, I spent several years managing brands in the snack food, apparel and retail industries, most recently as a Brand Manager at Lowe's Home Improvement (where I developed and managed a portfolio of 50+ private label brands). The reason I am telling you this? I am eager to get involved with Fedora and leverage my skill set to help out however I can with Fedora brand management. My relevant experience is in the areas of brand positioning development, brand strategy, brand architecture, naming, trademark management, and the evaluation of brand design elements (including logo, package design, and marketing collateral). Please know that I am a resource for the community and look forward to helping out however I can. Feel free to email me directly ... my contact info is below. Thanks! John -- John Q. Adams Brand Manager | Red Hat Brand Communications + Design 919.754.4471 joadams at redhat.com From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 21:48:38 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:48:38 -0900 Subject: Mission: Archiving Fudcon testimonials Message-ID: <604aa7910801221348i483990bfx8c3feea07a367134@mail.gmail.com> For everyone who likes finding articles about Fedora, I've a task for you. Can you hunt down all the personal testimonials from Fudcon attendees and organize them so that we can use these things so we have them as a potential resource to easily reference as a run-up to the next Fudcon? I want to try to bottle the good feelings generate in last week's blogs and then pour it back out again on people planning to attending the red hat summit who aren't familiar with the hotness that is the fedora hackfest and barcamp. I don't care how its done, but at the end of the day what I'd like to be able to do is have a url that whisks me to a list personal blog entries related to fudcon, which we can then pull quotes from as needed in run-up materials. I've been told that this is exactly the sort of thing digg tagging is good for. Even better, beyond just tagging them so they are easily found, if there was a way to annotate them with the best take away one sentence quote from the blog entry that would be fantabulous. Anyone up to the challenge? -jef From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 22 22:46:09 2008 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:46:09 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager In-Reply-To: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> References: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <369bce3b0801221446t5aeace88s4c485f84e40fca00@mail.gmail.com> On 22/01/2008, John Adams wrote: > Greetings, Fedora Marketing List! > > My name is John Adams, and I joined Red Hat in July 2007 as Brand > Manager in the Corporate Marketing group. In my role, I help to define > brand strategies both for the corporate brand itself (Red Hat) as well > as our portfolio of product brands. Prior to joining Red Hat, I spent > several years managing brands in the snack food, apparel and retail > industries, most recently as a Brand Manager at Lowe's Home Improvement > (where I developed and managed a portfolio of 50+ private label brands). > > The reason I am telling you this? I am eager to get involved with > Fedora and leverage my skill set to help out however I can with Fedora > brand management. My relevant experience is in the areas of brand > positioning development, brand strategy, brand architecture, naming, > trademark management, and the evaluation of brand design elements > (including logo, package design, and marketing collateral). > > Please know that I am a resource for the community and look forward to > helping out however I can. Feel free to email me directly ... my > contact info is below. > > Thanks! > John > > -- > John Q. Adams > Brand Manager | Red Hat > Brand Communications + Design > 919.754.4471 > joadams at redhat.com Thank you John, We're so glad you're available to us as a valuable resource. I'm sure some of us are looking forward to working with you. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Jan 22 23:09:52 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:09:52 +0900 Subject: Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0801221446t5aeace88s4c485f84e40fca00@mail.gmail.com> References: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> <369bce3b0801221446t5aeace88s4c485f84e40fca00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201043392.6050.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 14:46 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: > On 22/01/2008, John Adams wrote: > > Greetings, Fedora Marketing List! > > > > My name is John Adams, and I joined Red Hat in July 2007 as Brand > > Manager in the Corporate Marketing group. In my role, I help to define > > brand strategies both for the corporate brand itself (Red Hat) as well > > as our portfolio of product brands. Prior to joining Red Hat, I spent > > several years managing brands in the snack food, apparel and retail > > industries, most recently as a Brand Manager at Lowe's Home Improvement > > (where I developed and managed a portfolio of 50+ private label brands). > > > > The reason I am telling you this? I am eager to get involved with > > Fedora and leverage my skill set to help out however I can with Fedora > > brand management. My relevant experience is in the areas of brand > > positioning development, brand strategy, brand architecture, naming, > > trademark management, and the evaluation of brand design elements > > (including logo, package design, and marketing collateral). > > > > Please know that I am a resource for the community and look forward to > > helping out however I can. Feel free to email me directly ... my > > contact info is below. > > > > Thanks! > > John > > > > -- > > John Q. Adams > > Brand Manager | Red Hat > > Brand Communications + Design > > 919.754.4471 > > joadams at redhat.com > > Thank you John, > We're so glad you're available to us as a valuable resource. > I'm sure some of us are looking forward to working with you. :) > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > +1 Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jan 22 23:32:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:02:55 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager In-Reply-To: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> References: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47967D27.9060000@fedoraproject.org> John Adams wrote: > Greetings, Fedora Marketing List! > > My name is John Adams, and I joined Red Hat in July 2007 as Brand > Manager in the Corporate Marketing group. In my role, I help to define > brand strategies both for the corporate brand itself (Red Hat) as well > as our portfolio of product brands. Prior to joining Red Hat, I spent > several years managing brands in the snack food, apparel and retail > industries, most recently as a Brand Manager at Lowe's Home Improvement > (where I developed and managed a portfolio of 50+ private label brands). > > The reason I am telling you this? I am eager to get involved with > Fedora and leverage my skill set to help out however I can with Fedora > brand management. My relevant experience is in the areas of brand > positioning development, brand strategy, brand architecture, naming, > trademark management, and the evaluation of brand design elements > (including logo, package design, and marketing collateral). > > Please know that I am a resource for the community and look forward to > helping out however I can. Feel free to email me directly ... my > contact info is below. Welcome. One thing that has been asked for before in here is a brand book for Fedora. I guess you would be the right person to get involved with that now. Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Wed Jan 23 00:23:36 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:23:36 -0600 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > All of the codenames are those suggested in the fedora-devel thread. > Read it if you want the details. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-December/msg01000.html > > > Rahul > Ok, so since pretty much this time around there was a total dis-coordination between -devel and -marketing, how about, in the future, have an IRC meeting or two simultaneous threads in -devel and -marketing to propose codenames, and then the usual process could continue? I mean I know the names have to cleared by legal and all, but in the end, the codename is ultimately also a marketing "jingle", so I don't see why -devel and -marketing lists should antagonize on it. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 23 00:47:29 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:17:29 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <47968EA1.8060804@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Ok, so since pretty much this time around there was a total > dis-coordination between -devel and -marketing, how about, in the > future, have an IRC meeting or two simultaneous threads in -devel and > -marketing to propose codenames, and then the usual process could > continue? Too much overhead for a mere codename which is meant for developers and we don't have a marketing team to coordinate such activities. I don't view it as lack of coordination just because a few people disagree with some of the choices in a long list of possible codenames for a release. Again, I think the energy spend here can be directed towards doing actual marketing instead. Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Jan 23 00:42:19 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:42:19 +0900 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <1201048939.6050.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 18:23 -0600, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > > All of the codenames are those suggested in the fedora-devel thread. > > Read it if you want the details. > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-December/msg01000.html > > > > > > Rahul > > > > > Ok, so since pretty much this time around there was a total > dis-coordination between -devel and -marketing, how about, in the > future, have an IRC meeting or two simultaneous threads in -devel and > -marketing to propose codenames, and then the usual process could > continue? I mean I know the names have to cleared by legal and all, but > in the end, the codename is ultimately also a marketing "jingle", so I > don't see why -devel and -marketing lists should antagonize on it. > Last time something came to marketing such as the slogan there was mass communication from a significant number of people and yet nothing happened. We are still without a slogan as of now. I would prefer it if devel put up names at least from recent history devel get things done while marketing seems to be at a stand still. I'm a member of both devel and marketing I didn't propose any names. I would prefer it if it was a marketing effort but in the current form marketing is just a news list without any direction sadly. I'm hoping this will change now with the new influx of people who know about marketing (RH Folks) and some direction from our current and past fearless leaders. Cheers, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 23 00:56:47 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:26:47 +0530 Subject: marketing idea In-Reply-To: <1200711765.2822.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1200711765.2822.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <479690CF.3060004@fedoraproject.org> brendon wrote: > Just a idea that I had, while scanning through other parts of linux, it > came to me as part of marketing Fedora to the public and to the business > sector, it would be a good idea to coe up with a flyer to give away at > opensource events, software freedom day, or simply to give away to > people who ask for a copy of the cd/dvd of the OS. give it to them as > well, > > the flyer could include what the Fedora project is about, where to get > support, ie local LUGS, Wiki, IRC Forums and Mailing lists. > also a brief history of Fedora and how the project started, > > just something to think about and may be work towards. Are you willing to work on it? Take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Flyer Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 23 00:59:14 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:29:14 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <1201048939.6050.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> <1201048939.6050.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47969162.6070607@fedoraproject.org> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > I'm a member of both devel and marketing I didn't propose any names. I > would prefer it if it was a marketing effort but in the current form > marketing is just a news list without any direction sadly. I'm hoping > this will change now with the new influx of people who know about > marketing (RH Folks) and some direction from our current and past > fearless leaders. There are lot of work to do that is waiting on more volunteers. How about participating in those activities? A few examples, * Do interviews based on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList and help Jonathan Roberts * Help me with the release notes for Fedora 9 releases. I am currently working on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes * Help with https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-January/msg00096.html I would appreciate if you people stop complaining about this being a news list or rant on codenames or whatever and do something useful. Thanks. Rahul From juankprada at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 01:33:31 2008 From: juankprada at gmail.com (Juan Camilo Prada) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:33:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <47968EA1.8060804@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> <47968EA1.8060804@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1201052011.2635.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 06:17 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > > Ok, so since pretty much this time around there was a total > > dis-coordination between -devel and -marketing, how about, in the > > future, have an IRC meeting or two simultaneous threads in -devel and > > -marketing to propose codenames, and then the usual process could > > continue? > > Too much overhead for a mere codename which is meant for developers and > we don't have a marketing team to coordinate such activities. I don't > view it as lack of coordination just because a few people disagree with > some of the choices in a long list of possible codenames for a release. > Again, I think the energy spend here can be directed towards doing > actual marketing instead. > > Rahul Im not specialized in marketing, but ive been using linux and fedora for enough time to see that codenames are actually a flag that identify the release of a distribution. Maybe not in fedora as we usually call the release by its number (6 ,7 ,8 ...) but some other people rather call it by its codename, for example ubuntu users (now please dont start flaming about this comment... keep reading). If the marketing team try to make a good name out of fedora, and reach to the most people out there that could be a potential user (also including those ubuntu users... we cant ignore that market) showing the benefits of fedora, i think we are screwing things up with this codenames slection... People always judge the book by its cover, so we need something appealing ---------- Juan Camilo Prada - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JuanCamiloPrada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 02:37:25 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:37:25 -0800 Subject: [Ambassadors] Linuxtag 2008, Berlin, Germany In-Reply-To: <1201033027.3468.30.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> References: <1201033027.3468.30.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Message-ID: <1201055845.10247.194.camel@calliope.phig.org> Just a reminder that we're working to keep Ambassadors discussions on fedora-ambassadors-list and not to cross-post to f-marketing-l. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic#fedora-marketing-list Thanks! On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 21:17 +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: > ***************************** > *** english Version below *** > ***************************** > > > Hallo zusammen! > > Wie Ihr sicher schon der Homepage des Linuxtages [1] entnommen habt, ist > der Linuxtag in diesem Jahr wieder in Berlin. > Er findet in der Zeit vom 28. Mai bis einschl. 31. Mai 2008 statt. > > Fedora wird wieder mit einem gr??eren Stand vertreten sein, welcher vom > "Linuxtag Team" der Fedora Ambassadors [2] organisiert wird. > > Wir w?rden uns freuen, wenn > > a.) von der Community Leute auf den Linuxtag kommen und > b.) Der Eine oder Andere sich angesprochen f?hlt und mitmachen m?chte. > > Wir versprechen jede Menge Spass, Arbeit, Fun und die M?glichkeit viele > Gr??en der Linux-Community einmal live zu erleben. Mit an 100%-tiger > Wahrscheinlichkeit wird Paul Frields [3] den Fedora Project > Verantwortlichen sowie auch Max Spevack [4] seinen Vorg?nger am Linuxtag > von Fedora-Seite aus vertreten sein. > > Wer Interesse hat mitzuarbeiten, sei es als "Standpersonal" oder im > "OrgaTeam" der m?ge sich bitte melden! > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * > > Dear *, > > maybe you all noticed from the homepage of Linuxtag [1] that the event > is again in Berlin this year. > He will take place from 2008-05-28 till 2008-05-31. > > The Fedora Project will be present with a bigger booth, which will be > organized by the "Linuxtag Team" of the Fedora Ambassadors [2]. > > We would be pleased, if > > a.) Community Member will visit us at the LInuxtag and > b.) the one or other will feel spoken to help and attend us as team. > > We can promise a lot of fun, work and the possibility to meet in person > some honors of the worldwide Linux community live. Not per 100% for > sure, but we hope that Paul Frields [3] as Fedora Project Leader and > also Max Spevack [4] as former Project Leader will be present. > > Who is interested in teamwork, maybe as "booth personal" nor in the > "OrgaTeam" fell free and contact me or someone out of the team ... > > > > > [1] http://www.linuxtag.org/2008 > [2] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2008/FLTT > [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields > [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone have a strong feeling about these methods? * List on the wiki * Trac instance for marketing I haven't used Trac for this yet, but I'm feeling we might want the ticket tracking, esp. as the SIG gets bigger and busier. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 03:14:42 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:14:42 -0500 Subject: Hello Fedora Marketing! In-Reply-To: <1201026797.15338.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> <1201017337.10247.73.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1201026797.15338.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0801221914j5b716cadk9f0787ceb99176b5@mail.gmail.com> > On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 07:55 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: < snip > > Same goes for me. I can't wait to see some of the footage from the > Raleigh FUDCon... mainly the sessions that I missed! > Colby: I'm sorry to have missed FUDCon this year and hope to have an opportunity to meet you sometime in the future. I would appreciate any coverage of FUDCon that you can provide. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From kwade at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 03:35:40 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:35:40 -0800 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <47969162.6070607@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> <1201048939.6050.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47969162.6070607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1201059340.10247.219.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 06:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > I'm a member of both devel and marketing I didn't propose any names. I > > would prefer it if it was a marketing effort but in the current form > > marketing is just a news list without any direction sadly. I'm hoping > > this will change now with the new influx of people who know about > > marketing (RH Folks) and some direction from our current and past > > fearless leaders. > > There are lot of work to do that is waiting on more volunteers. How > about participating in those activities? A few examples, > I would appreciate if you people stop complaining about this being a > news list or rant on codenames or whatever and do something useful. Thanks. Your flame is misplaced on Marc, he's definitely busy elsewhere getting stuff done. Regardless, I'll support the concept that we don't need to continue worrying about the name for Fedora 9. The list was generated according to the usual process, and we need to trust the voters to not choose something totally stupid. As for the general concern over marketing, etc., let's take this one step at a time from here. If we are in the position to add anything from marketing to the codename process for F10, let's do that then. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Wed Jan 23 14:45:21 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:45:21 -0300 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <47969162.6070607@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> <1201048939.6050.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47969162.6070607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47975301.4020009@yahoo.com.br> Rahul, I'm working with Eric Sandee to produce an interview about Ext4 implementation. Do I need to get approval for all the questions? Or just finish the document and send to someone to approval? Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Rahul Sundaram escreveu: > There are lot of work to do that is waiting on more volunteers. How > about participating in those activities? A few examples, > > * Do interviews based on > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList and help Jonathan > Roberts > > * Help me with the release notes for Fedora 9 releases. I am currently > working on > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes > > * Help with > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-January/msg00096.html > > > I would appreciate if you people stop complaining about this being a > news list or rant on codenames or whatever and do something useful. > Thanks. > > Rahul > _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! Experimente j? e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 23 14:57:56 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:27:56 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <47975301.4020009@yahoo.com.br> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> <1201048939.6050.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47969162.6070607@fedoraproject.org> <47975301.4020009@yahoo.com.br> Message-ID: <479755F4.6070309@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Rahul, > > I'm working with Eric Sandee to produce an interview about Ext4 > implementation. Do I need to get approval for all the questions? Or just > finish the document and send to someone to approval? You don't necessarily have to get approval for anything but it would quite useful if you post the questions you intend to ask. Others on the list might have good ideas on what questions would make sense for any given feature. I think we can work on these as a team. Thanks. Rahul From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Wed Jan 23 15:07:48 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:07:48 -0300 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <479755F4.6070309@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> <1201048939.6050.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47969162.6070607@fedoraproject.org> <47975301.4020009@yahoo.com.br> <479755F4.6070309@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47975844.60307@yahoo.com.br> Check above. He'll answer some and as to the devel team to help me out. - What motivated you work on Ext4 integration for Fedora 9? - Could you explain more about new features in Ext4? - What'll be the first impression for users? - How does it differ to the existing solutions? - The Ext4 is compatible with Ext3, is this correct? In a future migration, users doesn't need to format the particion, is that it? - We never heard about Defragmentation in a Linux solution, How do you think this could help the system? - What work still needs to be done to reach a state where you feel its achieved its initial goals? - How's the work going on getting this ready to be easily available for Fedora 9? - Do you fell safety implement Ext4 in an existent Fedora 8 system? - What about standards, will Ext4 be the new standard for Fedora 9 systems? - Do you see other distributions working to implement Ext4? - And to finish, you could tell us a little bit about yourselves? What got you interested in free software originally? What do you like to do with your spare time when you're not working with computers? Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Rahul Sundaram escreveu: > Rodrigo Menezes wrote: >> Rahul, >> >> I'm working with Eric Sandee to produce an interview about Ext4 >> implementation. Do I need to get approval for all the questions? Or >> just finish the document and send to someone to approval? > > You don't necessarily have to get approval for anything but it would > quite useful if you post the questions you intend to ask. Others on > the list might have good ideas on what questions would make sense for > any given feature. I think we can work on these as a team. Thanks. > > Rahul > _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! Experimente j? e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jan 23 15:27:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:57:44 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 name In-Reply-To: <47975844.60307@yahoo.com.br> References: <20080122024929.33EC4733AD@hormel.redhat.com> <1200996115.4527.5.camel@ibm.oakgrove.hom> <4795CE68.7050506@tondo.it> <4795DF14.9080304@fedoraproject.org> <47968908.7020502@prodigy.net.mx> <1201048939.6050.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47969162.6070607@fedoraproject.org> <47975301.4020009@yahoo.com.br> <479755F4.6070309@fedoraproject.org> <47975844.60307@yahoo.com.br> Message-ID: <47975CF0.7030605@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > Check above. Some suggestions: > > He'll answer some and as to the devel team to help me out. > - What motivated you work on Ext4 integration for Fedora 9? How much upstream development does Fedora drive on Ext4? > - Could you explain more about new features in Ext4? > - What'll be the first impression for users? > - How does it differ to the existing solutions? The last three can be combined to a single question. How does Ext4 compare to other recent filesystems like btrfs? > - The Ext4 is compatible with Ext3, is this correct? In a future > migration, users doesn't need to format the particion, is that it? > - We never heard about Defragmentation in a Linux solution, How do you > think this could help the system? > - What work still needs to be done to reach a state where you feel its > achieved its initial goals? > - How's the work going on getting this ready to be easily available for > Fedora 9? > - Do you fell safety implement Ext4 in an existent Fedora 8 system? > - What about standards, will Ext4 be the new standard for Fedora 9 systems? You probably mean default, here. > - Do you see other distributions working to implement Ext4? > - And to finish, you could tell us a little bit about yourselves? What > got you interested in free software originally? What do you like to do > with your spare time when you're not working with computers? Rahul From choke at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 15:37:17 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:37:17 -0500 Subject: Hello Fedora Marketing! In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0801221914j5b716cadk9f0787ceb99176b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <47960B57.303@redhat.com> <1201017337.10247.73.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1201026797.15338.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0801221914j5b716cadk9f0787ceb99176b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47975F2D.8030802@redhat.com> John Babich wrote: >> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 07:55 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >> > < snip > > >> Same goes for me. I can't wait to see some of the footage from the >> Raleigh FUDCon... mainly the sessions that I missed! >> >> > > Colby: > > I'm sorry to have missed FUDCon this year and hope to have an > opportunity to meet you sometime in the future. > > I would appreciate any coverage of FUDCon that you can provide. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Project > > I just finished a piece for Red Hat Magazine and Max will also host it via torrent. It's a short interview I did with him and Paul. Good stuff. Also, look forward to a sort of recap / promo about FUDCon very soon - workin' on that now. If any of you haven't seen the footage by Roblimo at FUDCon, it's pretty good stuff. And it's on FedoraTV now... -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Jan 23 19:08:06 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:08:06 +0000 Subject: Fedora brand WAS Re: Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager In-Reply-To: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> References: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201115286.3338.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey there :) Great to have you on board - I already have a question for you though so I hope you don't mind me just firing away. I don't know if it's relevant to you, or relevant full stop but... > The reason I am telling you this? I am eager to get involved with > Fedora and leverage my skill set to help out however I can with Fedora > brand management. My relevant experience is in the areas of brand > positioning development, brand strategy, brand architecture, naming, > trademark management, and the evaluation of brand design elements > (including logo, package design, and marketing collateral). On the matter of Fedora's brand. Before we can market a brand (positioning, strategy etc) do we need to decide what Fedora's brand is? Obviously the project has a name, logo and a product. But going beyond that there was a long discussion a while ago about Fedora's target audience (see this post for some relevant info: http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/7374.html). To sucessfully market Fedora, do we need to define what it is that Fedora actually is? Maybe other people have already figured this out...maybe this isn't relevant. Thought I'd ask though becuase that discussion interested me and I don't remember any particular resolution to it. Best wishes, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 19:31:47 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:31:47 -0800 Subject: SIG meeting Message-ID: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> Proposing that we meet weekly until Fedora 9 is released, as we have a bit of catch-up work to do. When is a good time to meet? We like using #fedora-meeting, but that limits our times just a bit[1]. Over the next week(s) we can expect to see self-intros from a few of the Red Hat marketing professionals who are passionate about helping Fedora. We'll want their input on when to meet, since their participation is vital to us kicking our marketing to the next level. First meeting topics: * What needs to be done and who is doing it? - Marketing Plan - Let's get a strawman list together before meeting * Dividing up the work on the Messaging Guide[2] * How do we want to track tasks? wiki list v. Trac * Other? - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Again sounds good :) I've not much experience, but would a ticketing system like this serve as an incentive/reminder to people to finish what needs doing?! I hope so 'cos I know I need a kick once in a while ;) I have no preference, but perhaps Trac provides more automated feedback? Jon From choke at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 19:40:05 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:40:05 -0500 Subject: SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Proposing that we meet weekly until Fedora 9 is released, as we have a > bit of catch-up work to do. > > When is a good time to meet? > > We like using #fedora-meeting, but that limits our times just a bit[1]. > > Over the next week(s) we can expect to see self-intros from a few of the > Red Hat marketing professionals who are passionate about helping Fedora. > We'll want their input on when to meet, since their participation is > vital to us kicking our marketing to the next level. > > First meeting topics: > > * What needs to be done and who is doing it? > - Marketing Plan > - Let's get a strawman list together before meeting > * Dividing up the work on the Messaging Guide[2] > * How do we want to track tasks? wiki list v. Trac > * Other? > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide > To reply to what Karsten said... we had a little meeting here in the corporate marketing department at Red Hat about Fedora marketing. We didn't get very far until it was suggested that we push this all out in the open and have a discussion about everything we need to do to get Fedora 9 out there and, in turn, build a structure that will work in the future. We brainstormed a little and came up with many questions about everything from logistics and money to what does Fedora stand for... I'm sure this will generate just as much response. This can cover pretty much anything we want it to regarding Fedora marketing. That's up to the discussion. I agreed (and threw myself into the fire) to lead the discussion on IRC and try to organize all the conversations that are happening. You've probably noticed other members of our team joining the list and I know John has introduced himself already. Anyway, the point is: we want to help. We want to get organized and are committed to having the next launch go off with as much organization and backing as possible. We want this to continue with future launches as well. So, I propose we have our meeting sometime mid next week - say Wednesday at 2EST? We can have it on #fedora-mktg if that's fine with everyone. I look forward to hearing from you all and working with everyone to get this moving. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Jan 23 19:46:55 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:46:55 +0000 Subject: SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201117615.3338.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> > To reply to what Karsten said... we had a little meeting here in the > corporate marketing department at Red Hat about Fedora marketing. We > didn't get very far until it was suggested that we push this all out in > the open and have a discussion about everything we need to do to get > Fedora 9 out there and, in turn, build a structure that will work in the > future. Sounds like an awesome idea to me :) > > Anyway, the point is: we want to help. We want to get organized and are > committed to having the next launch go off with as much organization and > backing as possible. We want this to continue with future launches as well. Sounds like a good point to start from! > > So, I propose we have our meeting sometime mid next week - say Wednesday > at 2EST? We can have it on #fedora-mktg if that's fine with everyone. This should be good for me, Best wishes, Jon > > I look forward to hearing from you all and working with everyone to get > this moving. > > -- > Colby A. Hoke > > Corporate Marketing > [ Producer ] > > 919.621.8802 > From kwade at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 20:08:21 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:08:21 -0800 Subject: SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201118901.19482.130.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 14:40 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > Anyway, the point is: we want to help. We want to get organized and are > committed to having the next launch go off with as much organization and > backing as possible. We want this to continue with future launches as well. +1 > So, I propose we have our meeting sometime mid next week - say Wednesday > at 2EST? We can have it on #fedora-mktg if that's fine with everyone. Although I used to feel differently, I'm now in favor of using #fedora-meeting, despite the scheduling challenges. It raises the visibility of the work and gets discussions in front of many more people (lurkers) than having it on a stand-alone channel. With that, for Wed. the available time slots[1] are: 1600 UTC (1 pm EST) 1900 UTC (4 pm EST) (oops, Colby and I have a conflict then) *sigh* Looks like it's time for #fedora-marketing-too (or something.) Alternately, we can do as you suggest and meet on #fedora-mktg for a while ... maybe that is the best plan for now while we get things going. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 20:09:40 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:09:40 -0500 Subject: SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <1201117615.3338.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> <1201117615.3338.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1201118980.24675.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 19:46 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > So, I propose we have our meeting sometime mid next week - say Wednesday > > at 2EST? We can have it on #fedora-mktg if that's fine with everyone. > > This should be good for me, The #fedora-meeting channel looks clear then -- 1900 UTC. Since many people log there but might not otherwise see #fedora-mktg, might not be bad to use the conventional meeting place. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From choke at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 21:02:42 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:02:42 -0500 Subject: SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <1201118980.24675.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> <1201117615.3338.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1201118980.24675.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4797AB72.4060803@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 19:46 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >>> So, I propose we have our meeting sometime mid next week - say Wednesday >>> at 2EST? We can have it on #fedora-mktg if that's fine with everyone. >>> >> This should be good for me, >> > > The #fedora-meeting channel looks clear then -- 1900 UTC. Since many > people log there but might not otherwise see #fedora-mktg, might not be > bad to use the conventional meeting place. > > Okay, if everyone is down - love to see you all on #fedora-meeting Wednesday, Jan 30th at 2pm Eastern time. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From choke at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 21:25:02 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:25:02 -0500 Subject: SIG meeting CLARIFICATION In-Reply-To: <4797AB72.4060803@redhat.com> References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> <1201117615.3338.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1201118980.24675.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4797AB72.4060803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4797B0AE.1020503@redhat.com> Colby Hoke wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 19:46 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> >>>> So, I propose we have our meeting sometime mid next week - say >>>> Wednesday at 2EST? We can have it on #fedora-mktg if that's fine >>>> with everyone. >>>> >>> This should be good for me, >>> >> >> The #fedora-meeting channel looks clear then -- 1900 UTC. Since many >> people log there but might not otherwise see #fedora-mktg, might not be >> bad to use the conventional meeting place. >> >> > Okay, if everyone is down - love to see you all on #fedora-meeting > Wednesday, Jan 30th at 2pm Eastern time. > To be clear, sorry folks, 1900 UTC. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 21:49:18 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:49:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <4797AB72.4060803@redhat.com> References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> <1201117615.3338.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1201118980.24675.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4797AB72.4060803@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Colby Hoke wrote: >> The #fedora-meeting channel looks clear then -- 1900 UTC. Since many >> people log there but might not otherwise see #fedora-mktg, might not be >> bad to use the conventional meeting place. >> > Okay, if everyone is down - love to see you all on #fedora-meeting Wednesday, > Jan 30th at 2pm Eastern time. It's a date! --g -- Greg DeKoenigsberg Community Development Manager Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255 "To whomsoever much hath been given... ...from him much shall be asked" From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 14:39:18 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:39:18 +0000 Subject: SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <1201118901.19482.130.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> <1201118901.19482.130.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1201185558.29540.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 12:08 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 14:40 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > > > Anyway, the point is: we want to help. We want to get organized and are > > committed to having the next launch go off with as much organization and > > backing as possible. We want this to continue with future launches as well. > > +1 > > > So, I propose we have our meeting sometime mid next week - say Wednesday > > at 2EST? We can have it on #fedora-mktg if that's fine with everyone. > > Although I used to feel differently, I'm now in favor of using > #fedora-meeting, despite the scheduling challenges. It raises the > visibility of the work and gets discussions in front of many more people > (lurkers) than having it on a stand-alone channel. > > With that, for Wed. the available time slots[1] are: > > 1600 UTC (1 pm EST) > 1900 UTC (4 pm EST) (oops, Colby and I have a conflict then) > > *sigh* Looks like it's time for #fedora-marketing-too (or something.) So I'm not the only person who stumbles on the time -- although I probably do it way more often. :-) 1900 UTC == 1400/2pm EST, 1100/11am PST. Does that make it better? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Thu Jan 24 14:59:05 2008 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:59:05 +0200 Subject: SIG meeting In-Reply-To: References: <1201116707.19482.114.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47979815.2010309@redhat.com> <1201117615.3338.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1201118980.24675.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4797AB72.4060803@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6d4237680801240659o5d0a3797k9cdb98b54a61e43d@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 23, 2008 11:49 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Colby Hoke wrote: > > >> The #fedora-meeting channel looks clear then -- 1900 UTC. Since many > >> people log there but might not otherwise see #fedora-mktg, might not be > >> bad to use the conventional meeting place. > >> > > Okay, if everyone is down - love to see you all on #fedora-meeting Wednesday, > > Jan 30th at 2pm Eastern time. > > It's a date! I'll be there as well. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From mspevack at redhat.com Thu Jan 24 18:26:41 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:26:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: A potential learning exercise. Message-ID: http://tinyurl.com/29rgk9 This is a good article. It was on the front page of LWN. It's about "rolling your own Linux distro" and when I clicked on it, I was very hopeful that I would see a discussion of Fedora's custom build and respin tools. We *believe* that we have done tons of work in highlighting those features over the past year. Unfortunately, there was no mention of it in the article. This is only a single sample, and I don't want anyone spamming the author. Instead, I was hoping that we could use this as an opportunity for Leigh or Caroline to teach Fedora Marketing List a little something about how we can better highlight our own "core features" so that when someone goes to research an article like this, they find Fedora. --Max From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Jan 24 18:49:17 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:49:17 +0000 Subject: A potential learning exercise. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1201200557.5235.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Unfortunately, there was no mention of it in the article. This is only > a single sample, and I don't want anyone spamming the author. Not suggesting we spam the author, but a single person writing in a polite manner asking why he didn't talk about it might be worth while. For 1 it would help us to know where we went wrong (i.e. did he just not know about it, or did he not include it for some other reason) and 2 it would let him know for the future about its existence. On the point of where we might have failed here, I would love to hear Leigh or Caroline's thoughts on it :) One quick observation from myself: a google for "spin your own distro" results with Revisor being 3 of the top 4 results; "rolling your own distro" results in no Fedora related results in the top page. This could provide some level of explanation, but perhaps if we'd really succeeded the author would have gone out looking specifically for Fedora info. Best wishes, Jon From jkeating at j2solutions.net Thu Jan 24 19:04:30 2008 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:04:30 -0500 Subject: A potential learning exercise. In-Reply-To: <1201200557.5235.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201200557.5235.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080124140430.7edd4890@j2solutions.net> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:49:17 +0000 Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On the point of where we might have failed here, I would love to hear > Leigh or Caroline's thoughts on it :) One quick observation from > myself: a google for "spin your own distro" results with Revisor > being 3 of the top 4 results; "rolling your own distro" results in no > Fedora related results in the top page. This could provide some level > of explanation, but perhaps if we'd really succeeded the author would > have gone out looking specifically for Fedora info. This is probably my fault. I used the term "spins" and it's caught on within the Fedora world, but maybe the rest of the world is used to the term roll? -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 20:59:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:59:07 -0500 Subject: A potential learning exercise. In-Reply-To: <20080124140430.7edd4890@j2solutions.net> References: <1201200557.5235.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080124140430.7edd4890@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1201208347.29540.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 14:04 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:49:17 +0000 > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > On the point of where we might have failed here, I would love to hear > > Leigh or Caroline's thoughts on it :) One quick observation from > > myself: a google for "spin your own distro" results with Revisor > > being 3 of the top 4 results; "rolling your own distro" results in no > > Fedora related results in the top page. This could provide some level > > of explanation, but perhaps if we'd really succeeded the author would > > have gone out looking specifically for Fedora info. > > This is probably my fault. I used the term "spins" and it's caught on > within the Fedora world, but maybe the rest of the world is used to the > term roll? We can change our usage of this any time, and it's probably a good chance Google will catch on shortly. We like to be innovative with everything in Fedora, but this is a good lesson for us that sticking with (or mixing in) the terminology people know, when appropriate, is worthwhile. I think Mairin's cartoon "distro-spinners" make a much cooler visual counterpoint than people rolling... uh... well, whatever it is they roll. Dough! Yes, dough. Fedora dough rollers. *Ahem.* No reason we can't use other terminology to come up with visual statements, and mix in the standard usage to help people catch on to the newer, shinier stuff. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedora dough rollers. *Ahem.* You.. me.. a dv camera.. and a pillsbury doughboy suit I'll be waiting..... -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 05:32:31 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:32:31 -0900 Subject: A potential learning exercise. In-Reply-To: <20080124140430.7edd4890@j2solutions.net> References: <1201200557.5235.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080124140430.7edd4890@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <604aa7910801242132p37c1718by66b4fe8c65b2f7fc@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/24 Jesse Keating : > This is probably my fault. I used the term "spins" and it's caught on > within the Fedora world, but maybe the rest of the world is used to the > term roll? I don't think its the terminology. "Respin" is used multiple times in the correct context as we would use it. On page two "Respin An Existing Distribution". That section contains multiple use of the word respin in context of customization of an existing distribution. Again on page three "respin" is used in the context of customizing an existing distro. I think this is the first article ive seen in a long while that attempted to cover gentoo, or LFS at all...and this one covers both. The fact that LFS and puppy are covered in the same article feels really odd to me..but I'll leave most of what I'm thinking unsaid because its not really that constructive. Anyways, I don't think its terminology here, I think its more about laypress education about what sort of things can be done with Fedora. -jef From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jan 25 09:31:28 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:31:28 -0600 Subject: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD Message-ID: Good night all. I was reviewing some feedback I got back from a few friends and relatives about F8 LiveCD and F8 in general. I'm trying to put together some sort of a "quick" introductory "manual" to Fedora and its key features. I'm not trying to imitate what's already been done and users can find on the Internet, but rather go a bit more in depth with stuff such as very basic introductions to the several programs that conform a default desktop installation (hence the use of LiveCDs both GNOME and KDE) for users to get acquainted with the OS, and more importantly, the applications they'll find. The final objective is to spend less time talking about "the system" and spend the bulk of the reader's time talking about the applications. At any rate, while reviewing some of the feedback I got from a few (two, actually) users, is concerning one application (of the them actually sent the e-mail with a subject [roughly] "undocumented application"), they both were talking about Evince, or "Document Viewer". What they particularly found funny was that Firefox would prompt to open PDF (and other file types) with it, but there was no entry for it in the applications menu hierarchy. At first I was kind of "shocked" to read this (I guess I've been too used at using Evince launched from web browsers that I didn't notice there indeed is no menu entry for it). So I felt compelled to ask: What other applications that may actually be part of the Desktop are there in the LiveCDs (and default installs) that don't have a menu entry as well? I do believe this is indeed important, I for one did not think about it when first thinking on writing this "manual", but now that it's been brought to my attention, what other "undocumented apps" are there (in the understanding that these may be GUI applications without a menu entry)? I think it might be important to notice these (from a marketing point of view), and maybe expose them more in our marketing efforts? I know the concrete case of Evince is not very appealing to a lot of people (I know many who actually despise the app), but there are other such applications (I can't think of any out the tip of my mind, at the moment) it may be a good idea to explore how to properly raise awareness of them. Any input appreciated. Gian. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 25 10:16:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:46:42 +0530 Subject: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4799B70A.4020708@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Good night all. > > I was reviewing some feedback I got back from a few friends and relatives about F8 LiveCD and F8 in general. I'm trying to put together some sort of a "quick" introductory "manual" to Fedora and its key features. I'm not trying to imitate what's already been done and users can find on the Internet, but rather go a bit more in depth with stuff such as very basic introductions to the several programs that conform a default desktop installation (hence the use of LiveCDs both GNOME and KDE) for users to get acquainted with the OS, and more importantly, the applications they'll find. The final objective is to spend less time talking about "the system" and spend the bulk of the reader's time talking about the applications. At any rate, while reviewing some of the feedback I got from a few (two, actually) users, is concerning one application (of the them actually sent the e-mail with a subject [roughly] "undocumented application"), they both were talking about Evince, or "Document V > iewer". What they particularly found funny was that Firefox would prompt to open PDF (and other file types) with it, but there was no entry for it in the applications menu hierarchy. At first I was kind of "shocked" to read this (I guess I've been too used at using Evince launched from web browsers that I didn't notice there indeed is no menu entry for it). So I felt compelled to ask: What other applications that may actually be part of the Desktop are there in the LiveCDs (and default installs) that don't have a menu entry as well? > > I do believe this is indeed important, I for one did not think about it when first thinking on writing this "manual", but now that it's been brought to my attention, what other "undocumented apps" are there (in the understanding that these may be GUI applications without a menu entry)? I think it might be important to notice these (from a marketing point of view), and maybe expose them more in our marketing efforts? I know the concrete case of Evince is not very appealing to a lot of people (I know many who actually despise the app), but there are other such applications (I can't think of any out the tip of my mind, at the moment) it may be a good idea to explore how to properly raise awareness of them. > > Any input appreciated. This is probably a question better suited for fedora-desktop list but if you need to find out yourself, take a look at .desktop files in /usr/share/applications and grep for "NoDisplay=true". You can also right click on the application menu and click "Edit Menus" and browse through the menus and see which ones are hidden. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 25 10:55:21 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:25:21 +0530 Subject: FUDCon video: New face of Fedora Message-ID: <4799C019.6040402@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/24/fudcon-video-new-face-of-fedora/ "One of the major announcements at the recent FUDCon was the changeover in Fedora Project leadership. Max Spevack, the outgoing project manager, sat down with incoming Fedora chief Paul Frields (a familiar face to magazine readers, as he?s a popular contributor). Couldn?t make the conference? Catch up now instead." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 25 11:02:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:32:55 +0530 Subject: Marketing Tasks (was Re: Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager) In-Reply-To: <1201116784.3338.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> <47967D27.9060000@fedoraproject.org> <1201056397.10247.201.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1201116784.3338.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4799C1DF.7010006@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey, > >> Anyone have a strong feeling about these methods? >> >> * List on the wiki >> * Trac instance for marketing >> >> I haven't used Trac for this yet, but I'm feeling we might want the >> ticket tracking, esp. as the SIG gets bigger and busier. > > Again sounds good :) I've not much experience, but would a ticketing > system like this serve as an incentive/reminder to people to finish what > needs doing?! I hope so 'cos I know I need a kick once in a while ;) > > I have no preference, but perhaps Trac provides more automated feedback? Yep. Trac is definitely better than a wiki for tracking things that need to be completed within a deadline. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 25 13:13:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:43:26 +0530 Subject: linux.conf.au: Peeping under the brim Message-ID: <4799E076.6070105@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16199/1090/ " Attending the Australian national Linux conference just once - in 2007 - was enough for Eugene Teo to conclude that he would like to get involved in some capacity. For starters, this year the Fedora ambassador for Singapore is organising the Fedora miniconf" Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jan 25 16:05:17 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:05:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: FUDCon posts collection In-Reply-To: <1201234155.19482.323.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1201234155.19482.323.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Just for Jefe', I noticed my Liferea had a nice fat cache and a search > function, thuse these "fudcon" posts: Also: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/23/fudcon-highlights/ From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Fri Jan 25 19:49:44 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:49:44 -0600 Subject: Ref:Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD Message-ID: ---------- Encabezado original ----------- De : fedora-marketing-list-bounces at redhat.com Para : "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com Copia : Fecha : Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:46:42 +0530 Asunto : Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > Good night all. > > > > I was reviewing some feedback I got back from a few friends and relatives about F8 LiveCD and F8 in general. I'm trying to put together some sort of a "quick" introductory "manual" to Fedora and its key features. I'm not trying to imitate what's already been done and users can find on the Internet, but rather go a bit more in depth with stuff such as very basic introductions to the several programs that conform a default desktop installation (hence the use of LiveCDs both GNOME and KDE) for users to get acquainted with the OS, and more importantly, the applications they'll find. The final objective is to spend less time talking about "the system" and spend the bulk of the reader's time talking about the applications. At any rate, while reviewing some of the feedback I got from a few (two, actually) users, is concerning one application (of the them actually sent the e-mail with a subject [roughly] "undocumented application"), they both were talking about Evince, or "Document > V > > iewer". What they particularly found funny was that Firefox would prompt to open PDF (and other file types) with it, but there was no entry for it in the applications menu hierarchy. At first I was kind of "shocked" to read this (I guess I've been too used at using Evince launched from web browsers that I didn't notice there indeed is no menu entry for it). So I felt compelled to ask: What other applications that may actually be part of the Desktop are there in the LiveCDs (and default installs) that don't have a menu entry as well? > > > > I do believe this is indeed important, I for one did not think about it when first thinking on writing this "manual", but now that it's been brought to my attention, what other "undocumented apps" are there (in the understanding that these may be GUI applications without a menu entry)? I think it might be important to notice these (from a marketing point of view), and maybe expose them more in our marketing efforts? I know the concrete case of Evince is not very appealing to a lot of people (I know many who actually despise the app), but there are other such applications (I can't think of any out the tip of my mind, at the moment) it may be a good idea to explore how to properly raise awareness of them. > > > > Any input appreciated. > > This is probably a question better suited for fedora-desktop list but if > you need to find out yourself, take a look at .desktop files in > /usr/share/applications and grep for "NoDisplay=true". You can also > right click on the application menu and click "Edit Menus" and browse > through the menus and see which ones are hidden. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Thank you very much, Rahul. Much appreciated. I can only wonder now why some were left hidden, but that's really not the point. I was only transmitting what was said to me from 'fresh' users. Another recurring theme (though I tried to actually a dress this one with detailed instructions when giving the LiveCDs) was that of the keyboard layout in the distribution. I'll try to transmit this feedback to the Desktop or LiveCD lists in regards of choosing the appropriate keyboard layout upon language selection in GDM for the LiveCD systems. I'm not sure it would be feasible, but at least was (as I kind of expected) a common observation and desired feature. These recent efforts had made me want to try to play around with the LiveCD tools to create a "respin" with localized OOo, of course I know why it was left out of the LiveCDs (it simply takes too much disk space, and having all locales amounts almost to an entire 700Mb CD), I wonder how much it would take with only one extra locale (as I understand US English is "hardcoded"). At any rate, this is no topic for marketing, but rather for the LiveCD or Desktop lists. Thanks again for your input. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jan 25 20:56:54 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:26:54 +0530 Subject: Ref:Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <479A4D16.8090405@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > Thank you very much, Rahul. Much appreciated. I can only wonder now why some were left hidden, but that's really not the point. Preventing a cluttered menu can be a pretty good reason. Well there are pretty much zero reasons why you would want to launch applications like bug buddy on their own. They are helper apps. Similarly the normal workflow is to click on a pdf file which evince would open up and not launch evince and try to locate the file (ie) document centric instead of application centric. The success of the model is clear in the fact that you didn't even realize that some apps were hidden till now. > I was only transmitting what was said to me from 'fresh' users. Another recurring theme (though I tried to actually a dress this one with detailed instructions when giving the LiveCDs) was that of the keyboard layout in the distribution. I'll try to transmit this feedback to the Desktop or LiveCD lists in regards of choosing the appropriate keyboard layout upon language selection in GDM for the LiveCD systems. I'm not sure it would be feasible, but at least was (as I kind of expected) a common observation and desired feature. Not sure what exactly you are referring to here but you should probably file a enhancement in bugzilla. Otherwise most of the feedback would just get lost > These recent efforts had made me want to try to play around with the LiveCD tools to create a "respin" with localized OOo, of course I know why it was left out of the LiveCDs (it simply takes too much disk space, and having all locales amounts almost to an entire 700Mb CD), I wonder how much it would take with only one extra locale (as I understand US English is "hardcoded"). At any rate, this is no topic for marketing, but rather for the LiveCD or Desktop lists. Thanks again for your input. You can squeeze in OOo with just one locale. I have created a number of spins like that. Feel free to reuse them to create your own custom spin with any locale you want. http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-assamese.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-bengali.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-gujarati.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-hindi.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-kannada.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-malayalam.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-marathi.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-oriya.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-punjabi.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-tamil.ks http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-telugu.ks Rahul From gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx Sat Jan 26 00:09:21 2008 From: gmureddu at prodigy.net.mx (Gian Paolo Mureddu) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:09:21 -0600 Subject: Ref:Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD In-Reply-To: <479A4D16.8090405@fedoraproject.org> References: <479A4D16.8090405@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <479A7A31.3030304@prodigy.net.mx> Rahul Sundaram escribi?: > Preventing a cluttered menu can be a pretty good reason. > Well there are pretty much zero reasons why you would want to launch > applications like bug buddy on their own. They are helper apps. > Similarly the normal workflow is to click on a pdf file which evince > would open up and not launch evince and try to locate the file (ie) > document centric instead of application centric. The success of the > model is clear in the fact that you didn't even realize that some apps > were hidden till now. Indeed. Have into account that I'm conducting this "little experiment" with some friends and relatives who have never used Linux in any way or form, and some of them have never even heard of it or any distribution before. Indeed it is interesting to see these model differences in "the wild". I now have something very interesting to say about why it is this way, along the lines of "It's all about your *documents*, NOT the application" or something to such effect. Thanks for the clarification. > Not sure what exactly you are referring to here but you should > probably file a enhancement in bugzilla. Otherwise most of the > feedback would just get lost Ok, in a nutshell: When a user selects his/her native language in the Language dialog in GDM, that should also have the effect of "somehow" (that's what I'm not too sure would be feasible) also select the appropriate keyboard layout for that language. For instance, in this case, the language would be Spanish-Mexico, and they keyboard layout would be Latinamerican, however upon selecting the language in GDM, the keyboard layout in the session remains US English (which is substantially different!). I was actually kind of expecting this to be subject to objections from those users I handed the LiveCDs to, and to minimize that I handed also detailed instructions on how to change that. The feedback I got was that the instructions were very much appreciated, and "Why is that the appropriate layout is not selected upon language selection?" question. Thanks for the pointer, I'll open an RFE in Bugzilla as soon as I can. > >> These recent efforts had made me want to try to play around with the >> LiveCD tools to create a "respin" with localized OOo, of course I >> know why it was left out of the LiveCDs (it simply takes too much >> disk space, and having all locales amounts almost to an entire 700Mb >> CD), I wonder how much it would take with only one extra locale (as I >> understand US English is "hardcoded"). At any rate, this is no topic >> for marketing, but rather for the LiveCD or Desktop lists. Thanks >> again for your input. > > You can squeeze in OOo with just one locale. I have created a number > of spins like that. Feel free to reuse them to create your own custom > spin with any locale you want. > > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-assamese.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-bengali.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-gujarati.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-hindi.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-kannada.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-malayalam.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-marathi.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-oriya.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-punjabi.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-tamil.ks > http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-telugu.ks Interesting, I'll have a look to those kickstart files and use as a base for one for Spanish_MX (or rather Spanish_ES, considered the international implementation of the language, so even more people could benefit... Darn, too much to do, and so little time!). Thanks again for your suggestions and input. > > Rahul > Gian From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Jan 26 17:41:37 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:11:37 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...] Message-ID: <479B70D1.4060805@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I guess people can stop screaming now. Rahul -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Josh Boyer Subject: And the F9 codename winner is... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:47:15 -0600 Size: 6079 URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Sat Jan 26 18:28:00 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:28:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...] In-Reply-To: <479B70D1.4060805@fedoraproject.org> References: <479B70D1.4060805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I guess people can stop screaming now. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 23:11:29 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:11:29 +0100 Subject: Fedora brand WAS Re: Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager In-Reply-To: <1201115286.3338.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> <1201115286.3338.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <479BBE21.7060403@gmail.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey there :) > > Great to have you on board - I already have a question for you though so > I hope you don't mind me just firing away. I don't know if it's relevant > to you, or relevant full stop but... > >> The reason I am telling you this? I am eager to get involved with >> Fedora and leverage my skill set to help out however I can with Fedora >> brand management. My relevant experience is in the areas of brand >> positioning development, brand strategy, brand architecture, naming, >> trademark management, and the evaluation of brand design elements >> (including logo, package design, and marketing collateral). > > On the matter of Fedora's brand. Before we can market a brand > (positioning, strategy etc) do we need to decide what Fedora's brand is? > Obviously the project has a name, logo and a product. But going beyond > that there was a long discussion a while ago about Fedora's target > audience (see this post for some relevant info: > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/7374.html). > > To sucessfully market Fedora, do we need to define what it is that > Fedora actually is? Maybe other people have already figured this > out...maybe this isn't relevant. Thought I'd ask though becuase that > discussion interested me and I don't remember any particular resolution > to it. > > Best wishes, > > Jon > Interesting article on livejournal, and I have seen the same argument raised on few mailing list threads and I heard it on some podcasts. Different people say it differently but it comes to same thing - that linux geeks love Fedora; they love using it, love contributing to it. love hacking on it. They all say the also one other thing - that they don't actually know what is Fedora for, or for whom. It is not focused for a general destop (not even the fedora desktop spin) as strong as Ubuntu, it is not targeted as server distro (RHEL and CentOS are clear targets for that). Some say that Fedora is a general purpose linux distro and that to me sound a bit negative. Other on a positive side say that it is a distro for linux enthusiasts and advanced users - and that sounds better that "general purpose" distro. I would like to see fedora on mode "Joe User" type desktops not just linux geeks and that would mean a mode desktop focus and would look like catching up with Ubuntu (I don't know if that is bad or not). Other way would be just to brand it as advanced linux destop or enthusiasts linux desktop... something like that because Fedora is definitely the most cutting edge distro out there (sometime too cutting edge :) ) I sometimes look at Fedora as great platform that maybe somebody else will take advantage of and make some desktop distro the same way that Canonical took Debian as a base and made Ubuntu on top of it. I really like Fedora and I believe that it is on a good path... Cheers, Valent. From kanarip at kanarip.com Sun Jan 27 01:54:37 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:54:37 +0100 Subject: Fedora brand WAS Re: Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager In-Reply-To: <1201115286.3338.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47965B24.4030005@redhat.com> <1201115286.3338.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <479BE45D.2030102@kanarip.com> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey there :) > > Great to have you on board - I already have a question for you though so > I hope you don't mind me just firing away. I don't know if it's relevant > to you, or relevant full stop but... > >> The reason I am telling you this? I am eager to get involved with >> Fedora and leverage my skill set to help out however I can with Fedora >> brand management. My relevant experience is in the areas of brand >> positioning development, brand strategy, brand architecture, naming, >> trademark management, and the evaluation of brand design elements >> (including logo, package design, and marketing collateral). > > On the matter of Fedora's brand. Before we can market a brand > (positioning, strategy etc) do we need to decide what Fedora's brand is? > Obviously the project has a name, logo and a product. But going beyond > that there was a long discussion a while ago about Fedora's target > audience (see this post for some relevant info: > http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/7374.html). > > To sucessfully market Fedora, do we need to define what it is that > Fedora actually is? Maybe other people have already figured this > out...maybe this isn't relevant. Thought I'd ask though becuase that > discussion interested me and I don't remember any particular resolution > to it. > Another good thread came from a post on the advisory board list a while ago. www.peachpit.com/content/images/0321348109/goodies/The_Brand_Gap.pdf Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 23:46:42 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:46:42 -0900 Subject: I want to show off some maps.... Message-ID: <604aa7910801271546p1479a063he6d34728b83ee7cd@mail.gmail.com> Okay the F8 one week window of mirrorlist clients map is edging up towards 150k clients. Who that number be a good time to hilight the map as a way to show off to current users on start.fp.org? And possible to stick on the homepage of www.fp.org for drivebys? Anyone got a problem with me doing that? I'm trying to go back through and make a time history of some of the information on the map... when I have the cycles. Even though the maps are generated daily(or should be barring any hiccups) we aren't caching the information any any way. I want to start trying to do that so we can look at time histories and ask some more sophisticated questions like "what is the time lag between US and EU client density accumulation" -jef From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 28 08:26:19 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:26:19 +0000 Subject: I want to show off some maps.... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801271546p1479a063he6d34728b83ee7cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910801271546p1479a063he6d34728b83ee7cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201508779.2738.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 14:46 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Okay the F8 one week window of mirrorlist clients map is edging up > towards 150k clients. > Who that number be a good time to hilight the map as a way to show off > to current users on start.fp.org? And possible to stick on the > homepage of www.fp.org for drivebys? Anyone got a problem with me > doing that? I've no problem with it :) Although, where were you going to put it? In the "banner" postion? > > > I'm trying to go back through and make a time history of some of the > information on the map... when I have the cycles. Even though the > maps are generated daily(or should be barring any hiccups) we aren't > caching the information any any way. I want to start trying to do > that so we can look at time histories and ask some more sophisticated > questions like "what is the time lag between US and EU client density > accumulation" Wow yeah that would be cool - keep us informed on how you're doing! Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 28 11:06:03 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:06:03 +0000 Subject: RPM Fusion Interview Message-ID: <1201518363.2738.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, I'm just putting together an interview with the people from RPM Fusion but I wanted to check that there are no problems with this going on the Fedora Wiki - that is with the repository providing access to non-free (and patented?) software? Best wishes, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 28 11:58:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:28:24 +0530 Subject: RPM Fusion Interview In-Reply-To: <1201518363.2738.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201518363.2738.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <479DC360.8060009@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm just putting together an interview with the people from RPM Fusion > but I wanted to check that there are no problems with this going on the > Fedora Wiki - that is with the repository providing access to non-free > (and patented?) software? IMO, it is ok since we are explicitly allowed to link to those repositories from our websites now. As a side note, Software affected by patents aren't excluded because we like patents but because we are limited by law. They are still Free software. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 28 12:04:20 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:04:20 +0000 Subject: RPM Fusion Interview In-Reply-To: <479DC360.8060009@fedoraproject.org> References: <1201518363.2738.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <479DC360.8060009@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1201521860.2738.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 17:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I'm just putting together an interview with the people from RPM Fusion > > but I wanted to check that there are no problems with this going on the > > Fedora Wiki - that is with the repository providing access to non-free > > (and patented?) software? > > IMO, it is ok since we are explicitly allowed to link to those > repositories from our websites now. As a side note, Software affected > by patents aren't excluded because we like patents but because we are > limited by law. They are still Free software. Thanks Rahul :) Hopefully it'll be up by the end of the day...the source is up at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9Interviews/RPMFusion but it needs tidying and checking through etc...anyone is welcome to help. Hope everything is well with all, Jon > > Rahul > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 28 12:18:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:48:32 +0530 Subject: RPM Fusion Interview In-Reply-To: <1201521860.2738.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201518363.2738.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <479DC360.8060009@fedoraproject.org> <1201521860.2738.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <479DC818.8000502@fedoraproject.org> Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Thanks Rahul :) Hopefully it'll be up by the end of the day...the source > is up at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9Interviews/RPMFusion but > it needs tidying and checking through etc...anyone is welcome to help. I just did a review and fixed some typos and rearranged some text. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 28 12:16:54 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:16:54 +0000 Subject: RPM Fusion Interview In-Reply-To: <479DC818.8000502@fedoraproject.org> References: <1201518363.2738.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <479DC360.8060009@fedoraproject.org> <1201521860.2738.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <479DC818.8000502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1201522614.2738.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 17:48 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Thanks Rahul :) Hopefully it'll be up by the end of the day...the source > > is up at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9Interviews/RPMFusion but > > it needs tidying and checking through etc...anyone is welcome to help. > > I just did a review and fixed some typos and rearranged some text. Thanks :) I'll check through when I hear from Thorsten and Hans about pictures and info for the developer boxes... Jon Jon > > Rahul > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 28 15:25:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:55:36 +0530 Subject: Ref:Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD In-Reply-To: <479A7A31.3030304@prodigy.net.mx> References: <479A4D16.8090405@fedoraproject.org> <479A7A31.3030304@prodigy.net.mx> Message-ID: <479DF3F0.6070501@fedoraproject.org> Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote > > Interesting, I'll have a look to those kickstart files and use as a base > for one for Spanish_MX (or rather Spanish_ES, considered the > international implementation of the language, so even more people could > benefit... Darn, too much to do, and so little time!). Thanks again for > your suggestions and input. I have made some changes and creating new localized spins is pretty trivial now. Take for example, http://sundaram.fedorapeople.org/livecd-fedora-8-desktop-tamil.ks You need to change the timezone, language code, language group name and potentially add a keyboard setting if the language has a different physical keyboard (ie) not software emulated. For German, it would look like keyboard de-latin1-nodeadkeys You can use system-config-keyboard --help to list the keyboard types. Let me know if you need more help or post to fedora-livecd-list. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 28 19:11:32 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:41:32 +0530 Subject: 2008 Readers' Choice Survey Message-ID: <479E28E4.709@fedoraproject.org> Hi Leave your footprints: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1006101 Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Jan 28 21:53:39 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:53:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: fudcon video torrent Message-ID: The first of the FUDCon videos are up. http://spevack.livejournal.com/44085.html --Max From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jan 28 22:09:32 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:09:32 -0800 Subject: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1201558172.9134.220.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 03:31 -0600, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > I was reviewing some feedback I got back from a few friends and > relatives about F8 LiveCD and F8 in general. I'm trying to put > together some sort of a "quick" introductory "manual" to Fedora and > its key features. I'm not trying to imitate what's already been done > and users can find on the Internet, but rather go a bit more in depth > with stuff such as very basic introductions to the several programs > that conform a default desktop installation (hence the use of LiveCDs > both GNOME and KDE) for users to get acquainted with the OS, and more > importantly, the applications they'll find. The final objective is to > spend less time talking about "the system" and spend the bulk of the > reader's time talking about the applications. Have you seen the work on the Fedora Desktop User Guide? It seems to cover what you are suggesting, in the way you describe: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide The content is very close to being done so that we can do a beta release in March. This gets the document ready for final editing, translation, and release with Fedora 9. Beta reviews welcome. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 22:30:56 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:30:56 +0100 Subject: 2008 Readers' Choice Survey In-Reply-To: <479E28E4.709@fedoraproject.org> References: <479E28E4.709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300801281430s3d265836r5a0de70a69b72be8@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 8:11 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Leave your footprints: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1006101 > > Rahul Isn't putting Ubuntu on first place making it a bit biased? Aren't surveys choices supposed to be sorted alphabetically? Valent -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 22:49:24 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:49:24 -0900 Subject: I want to show off some maps.... In-Reply-To: <1201508779.2738.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <604aa7910801271546p1479a063he6d34728b83ee7cd@mail.gmail.com> <1201508779.2738.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910801281449gcc8ce7es8895e67371e088fb@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 27, 2008 11:26 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Although, where were you going to put it? In the "banner" postion? Not at first....I want it to take up a little more space with a little text blurb. I want to pick a moment and create some interest in standing up and being counted as a way to talk about smolt as well as the mirrormanger capabilities. So it would first be an article lead in with a "read more" link which can cover some how to make your usage "count", as well as asking for feedback on the best way to get a handle on live spin usage (we've no metrics on that at all). I want it to be a big item for about a week, then we can move it to a banner rotation. -jef From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jan 28 23:20:42 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:50:42 +0530 Subject: 2008 Readers' Choice Survey In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801281430s3d265836r5a0de70a69b72be8@mail.gmail.com> References: <479E28E4.709@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300801281430s3d265836r5a0de70a69b72be8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479E634A.8070004@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008 8:11 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> Leave your footprints: >> >> http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1006101 >> >> Rahul > > Isn't putting Ubuntu on first place making it a bit biased? Aren't > surveys choices supposed to be sorted alphabetically? Not necessarily. At any rate, how the survey is organized is a question that you should ask to Linux Journal directly if needed. Rahul From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Jan 28 23:31:18 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:31:18 +0000 Subject: I want to show off some maps.... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801281449gcc8ce7es8895e67371e088fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910801271546p1479a063he6d34728b83ee7cd@mail.gmail.com> <1201508779.2738.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910801281449gcc8ce7es8895e67371e088fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201563078.8585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 13:49 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Jan 27, 2008 11:26 PM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > Although, where were you going to put it? In the "banner" postion? > > Not at first....I want it to take up a little more space with a little > text blurb. > > I want to pick a moment and create some interest in standing up and > being counted as a way to talk about smolt as well as the mirrormanger > capabilities. So it would first be an article lead in with a "read > more" link which can cover some how to make your usage "count", as > well as asking for feedback on the best way to get a handle on live > spin usage (we've no metrics on that at all). > > I want it to be a big item for about a week, then we can move it to a > banner rotation. Ah OK - sounds even more awesome with this as the plan! If you want a hand with anything at all I'd be more than willing to do what I can :) Best wishes, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jan 28 22:27:19 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:27:19 -0800 Subject: 2008 Readers' Choice Survey In-Reply-To: <479E28E4.709@fedoraproject.org> References: <479E28E4.709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1201559239.9134.223.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 00:41 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Leave your footprints: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1006101 Questions like these make me wonder about the state of the world ... 23. What is your favorite package management application? yum apt portage rpm dpkg ipkg pacman paludis synaptic What is your favorite fruit: * apples * oranges * fruit salad * canned fruit -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 00:28:42 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:28:42 -0900 Subject: I want to show off some maps.... In-Reply-To: <1201563078.8585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <604aa7910801271546p1479a063he6d34728b83ee7cd@mail.gmail.com> <1201508779.2738.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910801281449gcc8ce7es8895e67371e088fb@mail.gmail.com> <1201563078.8585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910801281628h4a8ddb8h8b1e9fa617af6e57@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 2:31 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Ah OK - sounds even more awesome with this as the plan! If you want a > hand with anything at all I'd be more than willing to do what I can :) Well if you really really want.. you can do all of it :-> short article about why smolt matters short article about registering (static ip) mirrors with mirrormanager on a netblock so that default yum configs will pull your mirrors for your clients (even dhcp clients as long as they are in the netblock). If people who can do this do this instead of just editting the yum configs on their clients, then I can continue to count them in the mirrorlist maps. -jef From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 07:18:42 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:48:42 +0530 Subject: 2008 Readers' Choice Survey In-Reply-To: <1201559239.9134.223.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <479E28E4.709@fedoraproject.org> <1201559239.9134.223.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <200801291248.42889.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 29 January 2008 03:57:19 am Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > What is your favorite fruit: > > * apples > * oranges > * fruit salad > * canned fruit LOL :D Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 13:21:57 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:51:57 +0530 Subject: LCA/Fedora MiniConf URLs Message-ID: <479F2875.2020509@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://linuxsoftware.co.nz/blog/2008/01/28/fedora-miniconf http://jp79.net/things/?p=18 are a few URLs popping up via Google Alerts ~sankarshan - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHnyh1XQZpNTcrCzMRAuBUAKC8pBteHNsnu3qyGVFkjqsJDDH1CACgjozP mvh7Zdyz8CC07c6Ty9OrMtU= =uhgy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Jan 29 13:36:45 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:36:45 +0000 Subject: I want to show off some maps.... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910801281628h4a8ddb8h8b1e9fa617af6e57@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910801271546p1479a063he6d34728b83ee7cd@mail.gmail.com> <1201508779.2738.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910801281449gcc8ce7es8895e67371e088fb@mail.gmail.com> <1201563078.8585.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910801281628h4a8ddb8h8b1e9fa617af6e57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201613805.2750.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Well if you really really want.. you can do all of it :-> OK, I've had a shot at the top one but it might not be what you had in mind - it might not even be factually correct!! Have a look and let me know what you think, I can try and change it a bit if needs be, or maybe somebody else wants to take a shot? (Ughh I just added to the first paragraph and maybe broke it a little!! :S) As for the second one...well see below :) > > short article about why smolt matters Why Does Smolt matter? Free software developers only have a limited amount of time and cash, which makes developing software that runs on a wide variety of hardware a challenge. This is a challenge that free software developers have had impressive sucesses in up to this point, but in which they are by no means perfect: two of the most significant challenges they've faced is getting enough information about hardware, and communicating to end-users how well they're particular hardware combination will work with particular pieces of software; now, thanks to Smolt, developers can do even better. Developing free software makes use of the paradigm that enough eye balls will make any bug shallow; in the same way Smolt works on the paradigm that the more users who submit information about their hardware, the easier it will be to develop software that works well with a wide variety of different systems. Smolt also goes beyond just being beneficial to developers, potentially aiding the developement of a ubiquitous hardware database which would allow users to quickly determine how well their system will work with particular pieces of software. Obviously this relies on lots of people being able to submit information about their hardware, and this is where Smolt is particularly strong. In the case of Fedora, Smolt automatically gathers some information about the user's hardware during installation and asks whether they would like to share this with the Smolt database where developers will have access to their annonimised information. At this point all the user is required to do is agree, or not agree, to this and move forward in the first run wizard; everything else is autmoated by the system. Not only does this make it extremely easy for the user to contribute information about their machine, becoming part of the free software community, but it maintains their privacy by being an opt-in system. This is not something that is limited to Fedora: thanks to a responsive upstream other distributions are encouraged to work with us on this and make the best possible system for end-users, helping the benefits already described a reality. > > short article about registering (static ip) mirrors with mirrormanager > on a netblock so that default yum configs will pull your mirrors for > your clients (even dhcp clients as long as they are in the netblock). > If people who can do this do this instead of just editting the yum > configs on their clients, then I can continue to count them in the > mirrorlist maps. Hmm, I might need a bit of help with this one! If you could point me in the direction of where I can find out a bit more about what you've described I'd be happy to try and help again (that is if the last "help" from me doesn't put you off!) Jon From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jan 29 14:31:32 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:31:32 -0800 Subject: agenda for SIG meeting Message-ID: <1201617092.5621.107.camel@calliope.phig.org> What would we like to discuss at tomorrow's meeting? We can populate this page ... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting Some topics that have been open recently: * Report on state of Fedora's marketing needs from available marketing professionals * What is the Fedora brand? * Work on the Marketing Messaging Guide (due March 2008) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide * Marketing Plan (due March 2008) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Plan * Task tracking for Marketing * Would we benefit from Trac? * Or should we start with the lighterweight wiki approach? * Comments from the list: * RahulSundaram: "Yep. Trac is definitely better than a wiki for tracking things that need to be completed within a deadline." * What else? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trac is definitely better than a wiki for > tracking things that need to be completed within a deadline." > > * What else? > > - Karsten > That looks all good to me, we're free to accept any more ideas during the meeting as well. It's still set for 1900UTC in #fedora-meeting -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Jan 29 21:43:06 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:43:06 +0900 Subject: agenda for SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <479F8818.7090506@redhat.com> References: <1201617092.5621.107.camel@calliope.phig.org> <479F8818.7090506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201642986.2850.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 15:10 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > What would we like to discuss at tomorrow's meeting? > > > > We can populate this page ... > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting > > > > Some topics that have been open recently: > > > > * Report on state of Fedora's marketing needs from available marketing > > professionals > > > > * What is the Fedora brand? > > > > * Work on the Marketing Messaging Guide (due March 2008) > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide > > > > * Marketing Plan (due March 2008) > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Plan > > > > * Task tracking for Marketing > > * Would we benefit from Trac? > > * Or should we start with the lighterweight wiki approach? > > * Comments from the list: > > * RahulSundaram: "Yep. Trac is definitely better than a wiki for > > tracking things that need to be completed within a deadline." > > > > * What else? > > > > - Karsten > > > That looks all good to me, we're free to accept any more ideas during > the meeting as well. > > It's still set for 1900UTC in #fedora-meeting > > -- > Colby A. Hoke > > Corporate Marketing > [ Producer ] > > 919.621.8802 > For those other people that want to know what time UTC is in local time. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=30&year=2008&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 Also sadly I can't make it since it's 4am my time. Cheers, Marc From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Jan 29 21:59:13 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:59:13 +0000 Subject: agenda for SIG meeting In-Reply-To: <1201617092.5621.107.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1201617092.5621.107.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1201643953.2727.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> > * What else? I'm just watching Max's state of the union talk. He mentioned several points that are totally marketable and are things we really should be doing *now*; that is, they should be short term targets as opposed to the longer term targetrs of the plan and messaging guide. * Exeternal companies adopting Koji * 22 million+ lines of code in hosted * 365, 24/7 infrastructure coverage by mostly volunteers * Communities in Brazil etc (these guys are doing cool work :)) Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Jan 30 16:47:23 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:47:23 +0000 Subject: RPM Fusion interview Message-ID: <1201711643.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, This interview is up now: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/RPMFusion Hope everyone is happy with it, and if you enjoy it be sure to digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/RPM_Fusion_One_Repository_to_Rule_Them_All Best wishes, Jon From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jan 30 17:47:32 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:47:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: RPM Fusion interview In-Reply-To: <1201711643.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201711643.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > This interview is up now: This is FANTASTIC work. I continue to be impressed by everything you do, Jon. Thank you so much. --Max From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Jan 30 18:35:31 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:35:31 +0000 Subject: RPM Fusion interview In-Reply-To: References: <1201711643.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1201718132.2759.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 12:47 -0500, Max Spevack wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > This interview is up now: > > This is FANTASTIC work. I continue to be impressed by everything you > do, Jon. > > Thank you so much. heh thanks Max, no need to spare my blushes! Jon From choke at redhat.com Wed Jan 30 19:16:16 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:16:16 -0500 Subject: One page marketing plan Message-ID: <47A0CD00.7050404@redhat.com> -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: onepagemarketingplan.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 16590 bytes Desc: not available URL: From service at fedorastoreonline.com Wed Jan 30 20:25:08 2008 From: service at fedorastoreonline.com (service at fedorastoreonline.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:25:08 +0000 Subject: personal introduction Message-ID: Hello all, my name is Ashleigh Joseph, i thought it was about time i introduced myself to everybody :) i work for WDS Global (for those not in the know thats a wireless networking and cellular communications company) where i troubleshoot and test mobile communications hardware (its even less fun than it sounds :P ) in october im planning to finally attend university to do a BA in digital media develpment (if anyone is interested) anyway i hope to be of as much help as possible and i look forward to working with you all! Ash. (irc - Syn-Drome) From choke at redhat.com Wed Jan 30 23:27:16 2008 From: choke at redhat.com (Colby Hoke) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:27:16 -0500 Subject: Tasks set by Marketing Meeting on IRC In-Reply-To: <479F8818.7090506@redhat.com> References: <1201617092.5621.107.camel@calliope.phig.org> <479F8818.7090506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47A107D4.1040409@redhat.com> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks Just updated this - feel free to add anything I may have missed. We'll announce the next meeting soon - for those that could not join us, I hope to have a meeting late at night (for me) where we can discuss any ideas you folks around the world have. Also, look for the IRC log to be up soon. We'll be discussing more this week on-list. Thanks to everyone that showed up! -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Jan 31 05:10:14 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:10:14 -0500 Subject: Fedora EasyLife Message-ID: <47A15836.2020903@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All!! Can You test this software ?? http://www.duli.googlepages.com/easylife-20080130-1.fc8.i386.rpm The EasyLife is a software developed by the Brazilian Fedora Community (By Duli) and will be added to the Brazilian Project. This software permits new fedora users to install and configure the system with many facilities (gnome look, fonts, players, codecs, k3b, java, flash and install many useful applications). I'm waiting comments and suggestions!! Sauda??es Livres!! Rodrigo Padula Brazilian Fedora Project http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHoVg2Pg3HAC1vlg4RAkA7AJ97GDrOWwnQbPmCXRKTMiICRHHHvACfUqJB 003VRHlQFHtXyik+kiX3uEw= =ulSH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bthomas21 at zoominternet.net Thu Jan 31 02:54:08 2008 From: bthomas21 at zoominternet.net (Brandon Thomas) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:54:08 -0500 Subject: Fedora EasyLife In-Reply-To: <47A15836.2020903@projetofedora.org> References: <47A15836.2020903@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <1201748048.3131.4.camel@bts-laptop> Does the program support other languages? BT On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 00:10 -0500, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi All!! > > Can You test this software ?? > > http://www.duli.googlepages.com/easylife-20080130-1.fc8.i386.rpm > > The EasyLife is a software developed by the Brazilian Fedora Community > (By Duli) and will be added to the Brazilian Project. > > This software permits new fedora users to install and configure the > system with many facilities (gnome look, fonts, players, codecs, k3b, > java, flash and install many useful applications). > > I'm waiting comments and suggestions!! > > Sauda??es Livres!! > > Rodrigo Padula > Brazilian Fedora Project > http://www.projetofedora.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHoVg2Pg3HAC1vlg4RAkA7AJ97GDrOWwnQbPmCXRKTMiICRHHHvACfUqJB > 003VRHlQFHtXyik+kiX3uEw= > =ulSH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jan 31 03:05:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:35:26 +0530 Subject: Fedora EasyLife In-Reply-To: <47A15836.2020903@projetofedora.org> References: <47A15836.2020903@projetofedora.org> Message-ID: <47A13AF6.4010008@fedoraproject.org> Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi All!! > > Can You test this software ?? > > http://www.duli.googlepages.com/easylife-20080130-1.fc8.i386.rpm Do you have the source code and SRPM published? At any rate, there are some very questionable bits in there. * Bails out completely if yum-updatesd package is not installed * Switches off SELinux with a claim of "no compromise of security" which may or may not be true. * Installs corefonts? while we have liberation * Media players has a typo In general, I am not against the idea of providing a gui for common tasks and there are about a dozen floating around in Fedora but like the rest, the implementation here doesn't seem to be good. Rahul From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 07:33:02 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:33:02 +0300 Subject: personal introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d2c731f0801302333u30cb0dcoefff073398383b00@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 30, 2008 11:25 PM, wrote: > Hello all, my name is Ashleigh Joseph, i thought it was about time i > introduced myself to everybody :) > Hello, Ashleigh. > i work for WDS Global (for those not in the know thats a wireless networking > and cellular communications company) where i troubleshoot and test mobile > communications hardware (its even less fun than it sounds :P ) > I also work for a telco, so I understand. :-) > in october im planning to finally attend university to do a BA in digital > media develpment (if anyone is interested) > Good luck with your studies. > anyway i hope to be of as much help as possible and i look forward to working > with you all! > > Ash. (irc - Syn-Drome) Thanks for getting involved in Fedora marketing. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From fhornain at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 08:02:31 2008 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:02:31 +0100 Subject: FOSDEM 2008 SPEAKERS 2 Message-ID: <3161376e0801310002g30f56c17q420c18a06cf2ca5e@mail.gmail.com> Dear *, As the FOSDEM '08 is coming relatively quickly and as we still need more speakers. if you are intereseted, you can register at the Fedora FOSDEM 08 wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2008 FYI, the deadline for sending in schedule information is ***************************** ***** Friday 2008-02-01 ***** ***************************** which is *end of this week* Thanks for your comprehension Kind regards Frederic From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Jan 31 10:30:53 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:30:53 +0900 Subject: Tasks set by Marketing Meeting on IRC In-Reply-To: <47A107D4.1040409@redhat.com> References: <1201617092.5621.107.camel@calliope.phig.org> <479F8818.7090506@redhat.com> <47A107D4.1040409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201775454.8025.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 18:27 -0500, Colby Hoke wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > > Just updated this - feel free to add anything I may have missed. > > We'll announce the next meeting soon - for those that could not join us, > I hope to have a meeting late at night (for me) where we can discuss any > ideas you folks around the world have. > > Also, look for the IRC log to be up soon. > > We'll be discussing more this week on-list. > > > Thanks to everyone that showed up! > > -- > Colby A. Hoke > > Corporate Marketing > [ Producer ] > > 919.621.8802 > It seems like a lot of things are starting to get going it's great to see. Thanks for the link it's great to see whats going to happen. Cheers, Marc From rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org Thu Jan 31 14:22:57 2008 From: rodrigopadula at projetofedora.org (Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:22:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora EasyLife In-Reply-To: <1201748048.3131.4.camel@bts-laptop> References: <47A15836.2020903@projetofedora.org> <1201748048.3131.4.camel@bts-laptop> Message-ID: <47A1D9C1.8090900@projetofedora.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Until this moment only Pt_BR. PT, ES and EN Rodrigo Padula Brandon Thomas escreveu: | Does the program support other languages? | BT | | On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 00:10 -0500, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: | | | Hi All!! | | Can You test this software ?? | | http://www.duli.googlepages.com/easylife-20080130-1.fc8.i386.rpm | | The EasyLife is a software developed by the Brazilian Fedora Community | (By Duli) and will be added to the Brazilian Project. | | This software permits new fedora users to install and configure the | system with many facilities (gnome look, fonts, players, codecs, k3b, | java, flash and install many useful applications). | | I'm waiting comments and suggestions!! | | Sauda??es Livres!! | | Rodrigo Padula | Brazilian Fedora Project | http://www.projetofedora.org | | |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHodnBPg3HAC1vlg4RAiIgAJ97SWhKEGrn6ws2OzmjiWQUuHMYlQCgsUKa A3NlyRbsJNjJkQ+soduanEM= =ZZUs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br Thu Jan 31 11:30:01 2008 From: rodrigomenezes12 at yahoo.com.br (Rodrigo Menezes) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:30:01 -0300 Subject: Fedora EasyLife In-Reply-To: <47A13AF6.4010008@fedoraproject.org> References: <47A15836.2020903@projetofedora.org> <47A13AF6.4010008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47A1B139.9020906@yahoo.com.br> For sure, some features are not free. Some fonts are not open source, not recomended to be added in the main Project. Cheers, Rodrigo Menezes Rahul Sundaram escreveu: > Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> Hi All!! >> >> Can You test this software ?? >> >> http://www.duli.googlepages.com/easylife-20080130-1.fc8.i386.rpm > > Do you have the source code and SRPM published? At any rate, there are > some very questionable bits in there. > > * Bails out completely if yum-updatesd package is not installed > * Switches off SELinux with a claim of "no compromise of security" > which may or may not be true. > * Installs corefonts? while we have liberation > * Media players has a typo > > In general, I am not against the idea of providing a gui for common > tasks and there are about a dozen floating around in Fedora but like > the rest, the implementation here doesn't seem to be good. > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From kwade at redhat.com Thu Jan 31 16:57:48 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:57:48 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-01-30 IRC log Message-ID: <1201798668.26432.45.camel@calliope.phig.org> HTML log found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080130 11:03 < themayor> is this taking place or what? 11:03 < c_hoke> alright, so it's about time to get going here 11:03 -!- rut1 [n=rsuehle at nat/redhat/x-d7d56d95030bdb55] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:03 < c_hoke> so, just to give everyone a bit of some background 11:03 -!- rut1 is now known as rsuehle 11:03 < c_hoke> in case you weren't on email lsit 11:03 < mdomsch> smooge, feel free to ask on mirror-list for more EPEL mirors 11:03 < c_hoke> we had a meeting in raleigh a few weeks ago about how to organize our efforts on marketing fedora 11:04 < c_hoke> we didn't get very far before deciding to just kick the whole thing out to the community 11:04 < c_hoke> and here we are 11:04 < smooge> mdomsch, thanks will do so 11:04 -!- rharrison [n=rharriso at nat/cisco/x-fbd86a11f39f4355] has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] 11:04 < smooge> and will let c_hoke have his channel 11:04 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Marketing SIG -- Introduction, agenda 11:04 -!- jopp [n=jopp at nat/redhat/x-92ef216e8cc1cada] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:04 < c_hoke> we have a few ideas and some people whoa re willing to help from our (Red Hat) team 11:05 < c_hoke> but we wanna see what everyone thinks, get an agenda set and kick some ass. 11:05 < quaid> can we get a quick roll call on who is here for this meeting? e.g.: 11:05 * quaid is here 11:05 < c_hoke> yeah who all is here? 11:05 * mthompson is here 11:05 < rsuehle> Ruth 11:05 * Syn-Drome is here 11:05 * spevack 11:05 * iWolf 11:05 * red_alert 11:06 < striker57> striker57 (Chris Negus) is here 11:06 * joadams (john adams, red hat brand manager) is here 11:06 * tfridric is here 11:06 < rmaggior> Ron 11:06 -!- bascha [n=bharris at nat/redhat/x-82d0cdc87293e816] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:06 < c_hoke> elaine? 11:06 < quaid> <== Karsten Wade for those who don't know my nick :) 11:06 < rsuehle> elaine is afk 11:06 < Syn-Drome> ive read your emails :) 11:07 < c_hoke> hey bascha, we're just doing roll-call 11:07 < jopp> jopp 11:07 < rsuehle> bascha now afk too :D 11:08 * quaid puts up current agenda in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting 11:08 < c_hoke> so I guess the first order of business for us is to definitely say we're a SIG 11:09 < c_hoke> and we'll get ourselves listed 11:09 < quaid> looks like enough people to be a SIG to me 11:09 < quaid> a special interest group is the Fedora way of "just doing stuff without too much bureacracy" 11:09 < quaid> if we get big and active enough, we need to add bureaucracy for survivability 11:10 < c_hoke> and so everyone knows, and so I can put him on the spot, joadams is our branding expert and we're happy to have him in here 11:10 * bascha is back. :) 11:10 < c_hoke> he can give us some insight to this whole thing 11:10 < quaid> so .. SIG +1 or -1? 11:10 < c_hoke> +1 11:10 < bascha> +1 11:10 < red_alert> +1 11:10 < joadams> +1 11:10 < striker57> +1 11:10 < spevack> +1 11:10 < Syn-Drome> +1 11:10 < iWolf> +1 11:11 < c_hoke> quaid: I may have you lead us through your agenda that yyou' 11:11 < c_hoke> ve alid out so far and I'll keep track of everyone 11:11 -!- al7qs [n=Doug at 64.252.70.41] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:11 < quaid> c_hoke: sure, good call 11:11 * quaid is +1 to a SIG as well 11:11 < quaid> if anyone wants to add us to the wiki/SIGs whilst we talk, go ahead ... 11:12 < quaid> so, agenda .. I moved brand to the bottom because that is more of an open ended discussion 11:12 < bascha> (also just a note--seems that /msg isn't working? or is that just us?) 11:12 < quaid> bascha: should work ... 11:12 < bascha> quaid: isn't working for me, rsuehle, or joadams 11:12 < iWolf> I think you need a registered nick? 11:12 < bascha> also jopp 11:12 < rsuehle> oooh iwolf is right 11:12 < bascha> tks, nvm 11:12 < bascha> :P 11:13 < quaid> yes, nick registration is suggested ... 11:13 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#head-e606f00c0fdeb3462b9278f364f5645317ea30b7 11:13 < quaid> useful links are there 11:13 < quaid> we should be able to have an in-channel discussion, though 11:14 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Marketing SIG -- What is the state of Fedora marketing needs? 11:14 < quaid> fwiw, I think we have that somewhat answered with Messaging GUide and Marketing Plan, but what do those mean and why do we need them? 11:14 -!- buggbot [n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org] has quit [Broken pipe] 11:14 -!- bzbot [n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:16 * quaid was hoping we might get a blank/template of a marketing plan for the list to look at ... 11:16 < joadams> i've looked up a couple of different examples and sent them over to c_hoke 11:16 < joadams> good mix of shorter and longer styles 11:16 < c_hoke> I have those and they're in PDF format 11:16 < c_hoke> what's the best way for folks to see them? 11:16 < joadams> we can customize as needed, of course ... just to give an idea 11:17 < mthompson> wiki? 11:17 < c_hoke> joadams: do you have a web page we can link to? 11:17 < joadams> no, i saved them all locally as separate docs ... 11:17 < mthompson> do we have a fedora marketing team wiki? (just curious) 11:18 < joadams> i can try to post to the wiki (if there is an appropriate page, and if someone helps me :) 11:18 < c_hoke> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting 11:18 < c_hoke> I'm assuming we'll use that page for all purposes 11:19 -!- rharrison [n=rharriso at nat/cisco/x-fbd86a11f39f4355] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:19 < quaid> mthompson: fp.org/wiki/Marketing 11:19 < bascha> i can help you with the posting, joadams 11:19 < Syn-Drome> i just want to add something here 11:19 < quaid> alt is to use a fedorapeople.org account if you have problems with the attachments 11:19 < quaid> Syn-Drome: go ahead 11:19 < Syn-Drome> i have a redundant website that i'd be happy to offer up for testing space 11:20 < Syn-Drome> :) 11:20 < quaid> maybe we can take the outline from the PDFs and put that into the wiki 11:21 < joadams> yeah, most follow the same basic format ... level of detail is different 11:21 < c_hoke> I put up a simple one page marketing plan and sent it to the list 11:21 * quaid looks 11:21 < c_hoke> hopefully someone can grab it quickly and throw it up there for now 11:21 < c_hoke> it's VERY basic 11:22 < joadams> the one-pager is by far the most basic 11:22 < c_hoke> but it's the basics 11:22 < c_hoke> who is our audience, what are our strengths 11:22 < c_hoke> where do we want to be seen 11:22 < c_hoke> how do we want to be seen, etc etc 11:22 < c_hoke> what are our weaknesses 11:22 < joadams> the others put more meat on the bones 11:23 < joadams> e.g. articulated mission statement, SWOT analysis, detailed competitive analysis, marketing strategies and budgets ... 11:23 * c_hoke sends out the rest of the pdfs 11:24 < joadams> implementation schedule(s) ... 11:24 < c_hoke> does anyone know right off the top of their head when F9 goes out? 11:24 < quaid> ok, the meatier ones sound better to me 11:24 < Syn-Drome> aril 11:24 < quaid> May Day 11:24 < Syn-Drome> *april 11:24 < spevack> something like april 29th 11:24 < bascha> and spevack for the win... 11:24 < c_hoke> cause ideally we wanna be able to back that as much as possible IMHO 11:24 < quaid> that was where Leigh's March deadline idea came froom 11:25 < spevack> Fedora is released on the Tuesday closest to May Day and the Tuesday closest to Halloween each year 11:25 < Syn-Drome> :D 11:25 < c_hoke> word up spevack 11:25 < red_alert> when is may day? oO 11:26 < rsuehle> may 1 11:26 < red_alert> i c :D 11:26 < c_hoke> Messaging Guide, for those who wanna see what's goin on so far http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide 11:26 < quaid> what is the relationship of a Guide to a Plan? 11:26 < c_hoke> that's ideas from FUDCon 11:26 < c_hoke> joadams? 11:27 < quaid> is one a subset of the other? are they parallel dependencies? 11:27 -!- bzbot [n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org] has quit [Dead socket] 11:27 -!- buggbot [n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:27 < c_hoke> I'd think the plan is a subset of a guide 11:27 < c_hoke> the plan gets more meat and specificity 11:28 < joadams> i'd need to take a look at the messaging guide to answer better. but generally, a plan will be forward-looking, and will bridge the strategic with the tactical. 11:28 < quaid> do those two things include everything that is needed to move ahead with Fedora marketing? 11:29 < joadams> there seems to be an absence of market data 11:29 < c_hoke> yeah that's the bones that we have so far 11:29 < c_hoke> it's not complete by any means 11:29 < quaid> tactical examples == generating press around a release, attracting more contributors, etc. ? 11:29 < c_hoke> we need to lay it out 11:30 < quaid> strategic == why we do what we do, how we do it over the long haul, etc.? 11:30 < c_hoke> and understand how a guide relates to what we do 11:30 < joadams> quaid: exactly. what are the specific marketing vehicles and when do we want to engage them. 11:30 < joadams> strategic would be, what are our major messages? how do we want to be seen? what will our marketing mix look like to communicate those messages? 11:31 < c_hoke> do we want to spend the rest of this meeting discussing who and what Fedora is 11:31 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa at fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:31 < c_hoke> and get that set? 11:31 < c_hoke> and decide what our message should be 11:31 < striker57> Yes, and who we want to market to. 11:32 < c_hoke> yes 11:32 < joadams> first: if we were to put a skeleton marketing plan out there, is there a "best practice" way for the community to collaboratively edit / author the document? 11:32 < Syn-Drome> first time linux users. 11:32 -!- spoleeba [n=one at fedora/Jef] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:32 < joadams> (maybe not the entire community, but the SIG?) 11:33 < quaid> as for discussions ... 11:33 < c_hoke> quaid: ideas on what joadams said/ 11:33 < c_hoke> ? 11:33 < quaid> we can, but generally that is what a discussion list (f-marketing-l) is for 11:33 -!- buggbot [n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org] has quit [Dead socket] 11:33 -!- bzbot [n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:33 < quaid> if we want to get stuff done, we'll need to engage on list all the time and use these meetings for updates and decision stuff 11:34 < joadams> got it. one way to tackle it might be to split the plan up into manageable chunks and have a SIG member "champion" its completion. 11:34 < quaid> for example, we can actually volunteer as individuals for the various parts of the Guide and Plan 11:34 < joadams> great minds think alike 11:34 < quaid> then go about the "what goes in there" discussion on list 11:34 < quaid> +1 11:34 < Syn-Drome> +1 11:34 < c_hoke> +1 11:34 < striker57> +1 11:34 < iWolf> +1 11:35 < red_alert> +1 11:35 < c_hoke> Do we want to go ahead and decide what fedora is and what it stands for on-list? 11:35 < c_hoke> and get that out of the way 11:35 < joadams> i'll put the skeleton plan together ... should we volunteer for sections on our next meeting? 11:35 < joadams> or is that waiting to long? 11:35 < c_hoke> we can volunteer for sections on-list 11:36 < red_alert> If the sections are listed in the wiki, just make The people write their names down there 11:37 < quaid> just a note about "what is Fedora" -- once we decide in f-marketing-l, we have to sell it to the rest of Fedora, who all have their own ideas of what Fedora is; that process may take us longer than the F9 release to complete, so it shouldn't be a dependency on tactical work 11:37 < quaid> red_alert +1 11:37 < c_hoke> quaid +1 I was thinking the same thing 11:38 < quaid> joadams: best practice is, put up an outline on the wiki (quick process), tell people about it via the list; Subscribe to watch the page(s) when people edit the wiki 11:38 < c_hoke> I want us to be able to act now and theorize the whole time, but I recognize that theorizing can be looooong 11:38 < quaid> c_hoke: 'zactly 11:38 < joadams> got it. i'll engage you guys to get it online if (when) i need help. 11:39 < quaid> if there is anyone in the RDU office with joadams who can do a quick demo of how to use Moin, that would be great 11:39 < spevack> I think we need to build enough of a consensus on this "what is Fedora" stuff to get work done, and to ensure that we don't revisit it every couple of months repeatedly 11:39 < c_hoke> would a consessus of this SIG be enough for us to get work done? 11:39 < quaid> iterate the process to get consensus, conduct surveys amongst Fedorans as research and results tests, etc. 11:40 < c_hoke> and then push out, change messaging for F10 if needed? 11:41 < joadams> ok, so now we're talking about brand positioning ("what is fedora"). i've got some tools and templates that could help guide that discussion. 11:41 < quaid> well, one open source way to do things is to do it as best as we can, release early and often, and deal with the community criticism on the fly 11:41 * quaid notes in the discussion so far the list of what marketing needs is: i) a plan; ii) a guide; ii) a brand position 11:42 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 11:42 < c_hoke> +1 to agree, release, revise 11:43 < red_alert> iv) a leader for the irc meetings 11:43 < c_hoke> red_alert: I've agreed to lead these as best I can, but quaid is helping me out for a while 11:44 < c_hoke> I'm more than happy to lead them, though this is new to me 11:44 < GeroldKa> and sorry also a v) a "value" brand 11:44 < quaid> yeah, and we're almost on the last agenda item, too :) 11:44 < quaid> GeroldKa: can you explain what you mean? 11:45 < GeroldKa> a brand is also as strong as his value 11:45 < GeroldKa> let me try to explain ... 11:45 < c_hoke> spevack: available to help john and me with the wiki? 11:45 < spevack> c_hoke: definitely 11:46 < GeroldKa> if you tell someone SAP, everybody knows this is Software 11:46 < c_hoke> well I think that comes with time 11:46 < GeroldKa> if you tell someone Windows; everybody knows Bill Gates 11:46 < c_hoke> I don't think you can tell people what you are, people will decide what you are 11:46 < GeroldKa> if you tell somebody Linux .... 11:46 < GeroldKa> mostly (if not working in IT) think What is it 11:47 < GeroldKa> it is imho up to us, to value that brand 11:47 < c_hoke> but if your identity and messaging is consistent, then what you want to be known as will happen 11:47 < GeroldKa> the brand must be for us: FEDORA 11:47 < quaid> GeroldKa: I'd almost make that part of a long-term mission statement: "When people hear Linux, they think Fedora." 11:48 < GeroldKa> yeah; this is the goal 11:49 < c_hoke> absolutely, but you get to that by everything else, I think 11:49 < GeroldKa> Fedora, not any other distribution; also not RH *g* 11:49 < joadams> that's exactly the types of goals to articulate in the marketing plan 11:49 < quaid> GeroldKa: "When people hear Enterprise (aka business), they think Red Hat." ;-) 11:49 < Syn-Drome> generally anyone in the industry who thinks about a server or any kind of serious business platform the think RH 11:50 * quaid notes down to last 10 minutes for meeting 11:50 < quaid> c_hoke: look to you like we have more to discuss on guide or plan? ready to move to last quick topic? 11:50 < c_hoke> let's move to the last topic, we'll discuss more on f-m-l and assign tasks and leader in the last 5 min 11:51 -!- bo09 [n=bo09 at nat/redhat/x-04604cfcd1c3f677] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:51 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Marketing SIG -- task tracking 11:51 < quaid> anyone want to explain what Trac is? 11:52 * c_hoke knows not 11:52 < spevack> better to just point people to an example? 11:52 < quaid> mmcgrath: can you tell us how you use Trac for f-infra 11:52 < spevack> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trac 11:53 < quaid> Trac is for tracking issues and tasks in a project; it has lots of built-in stuff such as auto-notification 11:53 < quaid> would it help esp. folks newer to Fedora contributing ... 11:53 < nim-nim> quaid: track is an all-in-one-solution, loved by admin people that do not want to deploy a set of apps, and hated by pretty much everyone else 11:53 < quaid> to have a more formal tracking mechanism? 11:53 < mmcgrath> quaid: sure 11:53 < quaid> the other way people do it is informal with the Wiki 11:53 < quaid> make pages there, list who does what, etc. 11:54 < mmcgrath> quaid: you just interested in how we use the bug reporting? 11:54 < c_hoke> I wouldn't mind just using the wiki 11:54 < quaid> mmcgrath: is that what you call the task request for Infra? 11:54 < c_hoke> but, I've never used trac 11:54 < c_hoke> so I dunno 11:54 * spevack thinks that getting people who don't have FP wiki access set up and using some space on there is sufficient, but that's just my $.02 11:54 < quaid> c_hoke: it's a good point, too much tool at this point could kill the goose 11:54 < mmcgrath> quaid: yeah, trac's more for bug tracking but has a pretty easy interface so we use it for everything in infrastructure as well. 11:55 < spevack> quaid: if we were doing a bunch of code, i'd suggest trac. for brainstorming and writing, wiki seems fine 11:55 < quaid> wiki method downside is increased project management 11:55 < c_hoke> +1 wiki 11:55 < bascha> +1 on the simplest is best take 11:55 * spevack acknowledges that there are tradeoffs, but thinks wiki is better choice here 11:55 * quaid noted that in this meeting the wiki method seemed to be sufficient 11:55 < mmcgrath> quaid: for example, we have the following types of tickets: bug, task, annoyance, enhancement, change, outage. 11:55 < poelcat> +1 wiki 11:56 < mmcgrath> then we just assign stuff as needed. You can assign it to email addresses as well which is handy, for example sysadmin-web-members at fp.o 11:56 < GeroldKa> +1 wiki 11:56 < mthompson> +1 wiki (but i'll need a tutorial) 11:56 < iWolf> +1 wiki 11:56 < striker57> +1 wiki 11:56 < poelcat> start w/ wiki go to trac when/if wiki doesn't work 11:56 < joadams> +1 i'm with mthompson 11:56 < Syn-Drome> +1 wiki 11:56 < quaid> mmcgrath: I have a feeling we might want it one day, which is why I brought it up; make sure we rolled smoothest from the start 11:56 < spevack> Max will do a wiki setup tutorial for everyone in RDU 11:56 < mmcgrath> quaid: sure thing 11:56 * c_hoke hi-fives Max 11:56 < spevack> we'll schedule it for later this week or early next 11:56 < quaid> spevack: I told folks to contact me about getting in redhat_cla so they don't have to do the GPG dance 11:57 < quaid> spevack: was going to give mmcgrath a list 11:57 < spevack> quaid: excellent. 11:57 < quaid> ok, wiki is the consensus 11:57 < spevack> quaid: i'll let you run with that, then i'll do a wiki usage demo 11:57 < quaid> spevack: ok, then that means ... 11:57 < quaid> ... everyone here who does NOT have a Fedora account 11:57 < quaid> needs to sign up ASAP :) 11:57 * c_hoke notes we're down to about 5 min 11:58 < quaid> and send me your username so I can get you in redhat_cla if you do not want to do the GPG-signing of the CLA yourself 11:58 < Syn-Drome> my account is a bit broken :s 11:58 < quaid> Syn-Drome: :( 11:58 < quaid> c_hoke: we killed the agenda, sir 11:58 < Syn-Drome> but it IS GPG issues 11:58 < rharrison> I sort of see the wiki as the right place for big tasks, like "Make a Pamphlet" track is more for the nitty gritty stuff involved in making it. 11:58 < quaid> "It's dead, Jim." 11:58 < Syn-Drome> so i'll give you an email 11:58 < c_hoke> I know, but I'd like to assign some owners of things before we go 11:58 * rharrison types too slow 11:58 < quaid> c_hoke: want to list out what needs taking? 11:58 < GeroldKa> quaid, is the redhat_cla the same as http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification 11:59 < quaid> then see who wants to do what 11:59 < quaid> GeroldKa: redhat_cla is the CLA group used to mass-include Red Hat staffers; there are similar ones for dell_cla, etc. 11:59 < ricky> cla_redhat :) 12:00 < quaid> GeroldKa: for when an organization has a single legal relationship with Fedora; e.g. Dell itself agrees to the CLA so each employee there doesn't need to do so as long as they are under employment contract with Dell 12:00 < quaid> aiui, ymmv, ianal, tinla :) 12:00 * joadams will post a skeleton marketing plan to the wiki and engage the marketing-list to volunteer to complete sections 12:00 < quaid> ricky: d'oh! thanks 12:00 < c_hoke> so let's recap 12:00 < quaid> c_hoke: there is your first owner 12:00 < c_hoke> if that's cool ,quaid? 12:00 * joadams will also post some brand positioning tools and templates to the wiki to get the discussion started 12:00 < Syn-Drome> did you get that quaid? 12:00 < GeroldKa> but is the requested cla this one which I posted? 12:01 < c_hoke> so, I'll lead the IRC chats as much as possible, until I get more comfortabel with it, if everyone is cool with that 12:01 < c_hoke> I'll work with joadams on the Plan and Guide outlines 12:01 < Syn-Drome> doin a good job so far c_hoke :D 12:01 < quaid> Syn-Drome: aye 12:01 < c_hoke> that will include the value, GeroldKa 12:02 < c_hoke> Max is going to give us here a rundown of the wiki 12:02 < c_hoke> and we'll post things there ASAP 12:02 < quaid> GeroldKa: I think that group is 'cla_fedora' 12:02 < joadams> i have to sign off ... c_hoke, let me know what else comes up 12:02 < c_hoke> Everyone involved! make sure you register your nick and get on the Fedora wiki 12:02 < c_hoke> joadams: no prob 12:02 -!- joadams [n=joadams at nat/redhat/x-b77cd0b1ca50e254] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:03 < quaid> I'll do the irclog and minutes reply back to the list 12:03 < c_hoke> sounds good 12:03 * quaid needs to call shibby! 12:03 < quaid> ? 12:03 < c_hoke> alright, I think that's just about it From kwade at redhat.com Thu Jan 31 16:59:53 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:59:53 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-01-30 Summary Message-ID: <1201798793.26432.50.camel@calliope.phig.org> This time the summary was superseded by tasks with owners going directly into this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 From gerold at lugd.org Thu Jan 31 17:32:28 2008 From: gerold at lugd.org (Gerold Kassube) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:32:28 +0100 Subject: [Ambassadors] FOSDEM ACCOMMODATION DISCOUNT In-Reply-To: <3161376e0801310006u74b0e38dv8f014e560aaa0e0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0801310006u74b0e38dv8f014e560aaa0e0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201800748.3585.3.camel@F8NB.homenet.local> Thanks Frederic .... really thanks! But this offer comes approx. two weeks too late. I have booked my room and as you remember my E-Mail I pay EUR 79 for a single / double room at a ***** Hotel http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/brubr-renaissance-brussels-hotel/ But once again; thanks! c u soon Gerold Am Donnerstag, den 31.01.2008, 09:06 +0100 schrieb Frederic Hornain: > We have a bunch of hotel rooms left at a preferential rate at > the Novotel Grand'Place [1], at 105 EUR / 115 EUR (single/double room, > including breakfast) per night (it's 50% off the regular price). > > We know it's really short notice, and the deadline is *end of this week*, > but if you're interested use the PDF form attached to this email and > send it directly to the hotel, either by fax or by email (see PDF). > > About 20-25 rooms are left, first come first served ;) > > [1]http://www.novotel.com/novotel/fichehotel/gb/nov/1030/fiche_hotel.shtml > > > Kind Regards > Frederic Hornain > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Olpc mailing list > olpc-open at laptop.org > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list -- Gerold Kassube -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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