From jsimon at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 1 13:57:16 2008 From: jsimon at fedoraproject.org (JoergSimon) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:57:16 +0200 Subject: Linuxtag is over Message-ID: <200806011557.28053.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Linuxtag is over find my blogs http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/06/finale-linuxtag08.html http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/05/linuxtag-fedora-track.html http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/05/fedora-on-linuxtag-day1.html http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/05/linuxtag-logistic.html cu -- J?rg Simon jsimon at fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 1 14:52:18 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:52:18 +0200 Subject: Linuxtag is over In-Reply-To: <200806011557.28053.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200806011557.28053.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Thank you for those amazing reports about LinuxTAG. Thanks everybody who organized and animated this event. Hope to be there next here Regards Francesco 2008/6/1, JoergSimon : > Linuxtag is over find my blogs > http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/06/finale-linuxtag08.html > http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/05/linuxtag-fedora-track.html > http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/05/fedora-on-linuxtag-day1.html > http://kitall.blogspot.com/2008/05/linuxtag-logistic.html > > cu > > -- > J?rg Simon > jsimon at fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > From balajig81 at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 17:19:26 2008 From: balajig81 at gmail.com (G) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:49:26 +0530 Subject: Moving your wiki pages to the new wiki format Message-ID: <6dd1343e0806021019g6ba7b7bh41cfb4029492f2fc@mail.gmail.com> Hi I am in the process of updating the Ambassador country list page by moving the user names to the new wiki style, so ultimately which means that the hyper link which would point to the appropriate user would not work unless and until the user moves his page to the new wiki. Hence i request the ambassadors in the following locations to move their wiki pages to the new wiki style. The following are the locations for which the updates are done * Eastern Africa * Northern Africa * Southern Africa * Western Africa * Southern Asia The following is the link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList All that is required is to login to the new wiki using your FAS ID and click on the move icon on the top of your page and that moves your personal wiki page and that would also automatically ensure that the link in the new wiki is working. Also make sure that your names, locations, FASID has been updated properly as i am dealing with quite a big list :) . I would keep others updated once i finish off the work on other locations too. Cheers, Balaji From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 20:22:03 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:22:03 -0500 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki Message-ID: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> Here's a page for anyone to add to the list of ideas for screencasts. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jun 2 20:37:55 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks dude. Good start. --g On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Here's a page for anyone to add to the list of ideas for screencasts. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From dezone24 at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 22:32:01 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:32:01 -0500 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/2 Greg Dekoenigsberg : > > Thanks dude. Good start. > > --g > > > On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > Here's a page for anyone to add to the list of ideas for screencasts. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas >> >> -- >> ~Michael >> http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) >> http://michaelbox.net (eventually) >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas There can Ambassadors suggest ideas for Fedora 10? Last time, it was a long discuss with Fedora Developers, It?s a good idea have a little board with some ideas for Fedora 10 from Ambassadors (Ambassadors have so much customer suport and I am sure there are many suggestions directly from the final user). Next we will show the board to developers and they will decide. What do you think? -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 00:29:41 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:29:41 -0500 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48449075.10803@gmail.com> As far as I'm concerned, Ambassadors can make suggestions for screencast tutorials. All ideas are welcome and if we brainstorm enough, we can eventually cover all aspects of Fedora that new users may want to learn about. Diego Escobar wrote: > > > 2008/6/2 Greg Dekoenigsberg >: > > > Thanks dude. Good start. > > --g > > > On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > Here's a page for anyone to add to the list of ideas for > screencasts. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net > (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas > > There can Ambassadors suggest ideas for Fedora 10? > > Last time, it was a long discuss with Fedora Developers, It?s a good > idea have a little board with some ideas for Fedora 10 from > Ambassadors (Ambassadors have so much customer suport and I am sure > there are many suggestions directly from the final user). Next we will > show the board to developers and they will decide. > > What do you think? > > -- > Diego Escobar > Fedora Ambassador for Colombia > Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dezone24 at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 03:27:01 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:27:01 -0500 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <48449075.10803@gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <48449075.10803@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your response. Is a excelent way to do Fedora better. As you know ambassadors usually are the connection point between the final user and Fedora community in general. In my case, many people tell me some suggestions about they would like to have in Fedora. Always is good listen the user. Could you explain me how it works? I supose I just edit and write the idea with a short description, there are no more requeriments? Regards. -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 06:26:01 2008 From: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com (Michael Beckwith) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:26:01 -0500 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <48449075.10803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4844E3F9.3010405@gmail.com> Diego Escobar wrote: > > Thanks for your response. Is a excelent way to do Fedora better. > As you know ambassadors usually are the connection point between > the final user and Fedora community in general. > In my case, many people tell me some suggestions about they would > like to have in Fedora. Always is good listen the user. > > Could you explain me how it works? > I supose I just edit and write the idea with a short description, > there are no more requeriments? > > Regards. > > -- > Diego Escobar > Fedora Ambassador for Colombia > Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 Pretty much that's it, edit the wiki page and type out what the screencast should cover. Explain with details or an example problem that the screen cast would solve, if necessary. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 3 06:35:35 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:05:35 +0530 Subject: High flyer hangs hat on open source Message-ID: <4844E637.2070402@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23797416-24169,00.html "Some people ask us why we aren't in the consumer desktop space, but we are. It's called Fedora. If you don't need high levels of support you shouldn't have to pay anything." Rahul From fab at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 3 16:09:28 2008 From: fab at fedoraproject.org (Fabian Affolter) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:09:28 +0200 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48456CB8.10802@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Beckwith wrote: | Here's a page for anyone to add to the list of ideas for screencasts. | | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas | This page [1] contains the ideas for the LinuxTag video [2] I made. Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Fab/PresentationVideo [2] http://fab.fedorapeople.org/videos/ - -- Fingerprint: 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F Fedora always leads and never follows. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhFbLMACgkQ4jzS3TakOX9CtgCcDIvWCbzP6Y0ZgtWTeb+bYnM7 kGoAoIUiwZwQtEuyGeEfMPA/lBlH6d1w =YSZt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From indrayana.mb at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 07:51:45 2008 From: indrayana.mb at gmail.com (Indrayana MB.) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:51:45 +0700 Subject: First Email... Message-ID: Dear All, I'm Indrayana Mulya Bhakti from Jakarta, Indonesia I've join many Free Open Source Community in my country... Because I think, it's good for our country condition... I have been using Free Open Source Software (FOSS) since 9 years ago. And very interesting in Fedora for the last 2 years. Recently I was moderated Fedora Local Community sites (http://www.fedora.or.id). My dreams is to make our Fedora Local Community became bigger and bigger as big as other (Ubuntu-ID, openSUSE-ID, and OpenSolaris Indonesia community). I also prepared for Monthly Meeting in the next future. And build many regional community in Indonesia based on province and/or/ district. I also encourage to intoduce FOSS especially Fedora to every school and trainig center. best regards, Indrayana MB. Linux Registered User ID : 396254 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jun 4 08:30:01 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:30:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: First Email... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Indrayana MB. wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm Indrayana Mulya Bhakti from Jakarta, Indonesia I've join many Free > Open Source Community in my country... Because I think, it's good for > our country condition... Welcome! Happy to have you on board as part of our project. In particular, I think you'll find the Fedora Ambassadors list very interesting. We're very happy to have you as part of our community. --Max From hellcomdev at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 08:37:47 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 05:37:47 -0300 Subject: Hello, this is my first message, wanna tell all first that is an honor to me joining this project Message-ID: <1f0d49220806040137x3a30e301lde4d77b539678c29@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, please let me tell you my history with Fedora and The Free software world. I'm Guilherme Gon?alves from Rio de Janeiro *(Brazil) but the community prefer call me "Razgriz"*(i really don't know why but perhaps...my ex-wife can explain this thing one day if...). My first contact with tux was in 1996 and i am a "pure"*(100% free software user) user since 1997. But my contributions inside the world of free software started only in the earlies of 2005 writing documentation about computer graphics with free software at "vol"*(www.vivaolinux.com.br), some months after my first doc, Davidson Paulo(the creator of the old project "Guia Bozolinux" and now a Ambassador) invited me to write a book about the "Gnu Image Manipulation Program*(Gimp), it was a huge and very ambitious project but in the end with hard work yeah we did it! =] then since that great moment my life was turned into a goal : the community must respect the computer graphics made with free software but first the community must know more about it ! Then i will continue doing documentation to teach all thing that i know and what i will learn about it in the future. Well, my history with Fedora starts in 2007, when i met Rodrigo Padula and Cristiano Furtado*(jasoonfedora) and he convinced me to get fedora and try it during the event, after some time inside the same event he invited me to join the ambassadors team, but thanks to problems with time we lost contact. A couple of months later he invited me to joying the artwork team of the project "Revista Fedora Brazil" and now i feel that i can help more making my work in the magazine padronizing the layout, creating new visual stuff for the project and helping with other tasks and taking fedora to my classes in the Linux events that my default mini-course "The Gimp for creative minds" and other actions where invited. Well, here i am to help everyone and contribute with everything that i can, i will do my best to the project as you all make every time. just one last ask, if someone wanna know more about computergraphics, please just send me an email and i will help you, and if you know portuguese and think that stuff is usefull please translate this to other language =]. please use or read : http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista (since second edition) http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/perfil/verPerfil.php?login=razgriz (my documents inside that web portal) http://unilivre.sourceforge.net/Ba%C3%BA_proibido_do_Razgriz http://www.ogimp.com.br/ (vide gimp zine) http://unilivre.sourceforge.net/O_GIMP_para_Mentes_Criativas (my first book about computer graphics) http://razgrizbox.wordpress.com/ (personal documentation blog) http://www.gnu-lia.org/(another project that i contribute) Thanks to everyone again and i so sorry by some language errors (long time wihout write in english but i will fix it very very soon) Regards RazGriz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balajig81 at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 08:44:57 2008 From: balajig81 at gmail.com (G) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:14:57 +0530 Subject: Hello, this is my first message, wanna tell all first that is an honor to me joining this project In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220806040137x3a30e301lde4d77b539678c29@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f0d49220806040137x3a30e301lde4d77b539678c29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6dd1343e0806040144t57853974n9718eb4f114a5c71@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guilherme > I'm Guilherme Gon?alves from Rio de Janeiro *(Brazil) but the community > prefer call me "Razgriz"*(i really don't know why but perhaps...my ex-wife > can explain this thing one day if...). Welcome !. Great and very happy to have you here as part of the Fedora Project !. > please use or read : > > http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista (since second > edition) > > http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/perfil/verPerfil.php?login=razgriz > (my documents inside that web portal) > > > http://unilivre.sourceforge.net/Ba%C3%BA_proibido_do_Razgriz > > > http://www.ogimp.com.br/ (vide gimp zine) > > > http://unilivre.sourceforge.net/O_GIMP_para_Mentes_Criativas > (my first book about computer graphics) > > > http://razgrizbox.wordpress.com/ (personal documentation > blog) > > http://www.gnu-lia.org/(another project that i contribute) > Great !, I see you are contributing to couple of open source projects already and this is really great !. Welcome once again !. Good luck with your activities and hope you enjoy it too :) Cheers, Balaji On 6/4/08, RazGriz wrote: > > > Hello everyone, please let me tell you my history with Fedora and The Free > software world. > > > I'm Guilherme Gon?alves from Rio de Janeiro *(Brazil) but the community > prefer call me "Razgriz"*(i really don't know why but perhaps...my ex-wife > can explain this thing one day if...). > > > My first contact with tux was in 1996 and i am a "pure"*(100% free software > user) user since 1997. But my contributions inside the world of free > software started only in the earlies of 2005 writing documentation about > computer graphics with free software at "vol"*(www.vivaolinux.com.br), some > months after my first doc, Davidson Paulo(the creator of the old project > "Guia Bozolinux" and now a Ambassador) invited me to write a book about the > "Gnu Image Manipulation Program*(Gimp), it was a huge and very ambitious > project but in the end with hard work yeah we did it! =] then since that > great moment my life was turned into a goal : the community must respect the > computer graphics made with free software but first the community must know > more about it ! Then i will continue doing documentation to teach all thing > that i know and what i will learn about it in the future. > > Well, my history with Fedora starts in 2007, when i met Rodrigo Padula and > Cristiano Furtado*(jasoonfedora) and he convinced me to get fedora and try > it during the event, after some time inside the same event he invited me to > join the ambassadors team, but thanks to problems with time we lost contact. > A couple of months later he invited me to joying the artwork team of the > project "Revista Fedora Brazil" and now i feel that i can help more making > my work in the magazine padronizing the layout, creating new visual stuff > for the project and helping with other tasks and taking fedora to my classes > in the Linux events that my default mini-course "The Gimp for creative > minds" and other actions where invited. > > > Well, here i am to help everyone and contribute with everything that i can, > i will do my best to the project as you all make every time. > > > just one last ask, if someone wanna know more about computergraphics, please > just send me an email and i will help you, and if you know portuguese and > think that stuff is usefull please translate this to other language =]. > > > please use or read : > > http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista (since second > edition) > > http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/perfil/verPerfil.php?login=razgriz > (my documents inside that web portal) > > > http://unilivre.sourceforge.net/Ba%C3%BA_proibido_do_Razgriz > > > http://www.ogimp.com.br/ (vide gimp zine) > > > http://unilivre.sourceforge.net/O_GIMP_para_Mentes_Criativas > (my first book about computer graphics) > > > http://razgrizbox.wordpress.com/ (personal documentation > blog) > > http://www.gnu-lia.org/(another project that i contribute) > > > Thanks to everyone again and i so sorry by some language errors (long time > wihout write in english but i will fix it very very soon) > > Regards > > > RazGriz. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mspevack at redhat.com Wed Jun 4 09:12:13 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: fedora, laptops, lwn Message-ID: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/283555/51f734999a8a0477/ "Your editor must now make a choice as to which distribution will remain on these laptops. For the X31, the choice makes itself: Fedora. It works the best while installing only free software." From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 09:26:37 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:26:37 +0800 Subject: First Email... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48465FCD.4080009@gmail.com> HI Indrayana, welcome and great to hear that. Thanks you & Have a Nice Day Best Regards, Jason Benedict Low *Allow us to treat you with the individuality you deserve! Indrayana MB. wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm Indrayana Mulya Bhakti from Jakarta, Indonesia I've join many Free > Open Source Community in my country... Because I think, it's good for > our country condition... > > I have been using Free Open Source Software (FOSS) since 9 years ago. > And very interesting in Fedora for the last 2 years. Recently I was > moderated Fedora Local Community sites (http://www.fedora.or.id > ). > > My dreams is to make our Fedora Local Community became bigger and > bigger as big as other (Ubuntu-ID, openSUSE-ID, and OpenSolaris > Indonesia community). I also prepared for Monthly Meeting in the next > future. And build many regional community in Indonesia based on > province and/or/ district. > > I also encourage to intoduce FOSS especially Fedora to every school > and trainig center. > > best regards, > > Indrayana MB. > > Linux Registered User ID : 396254 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hellcomdev at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 09:43:21 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:43:21 -0300 Subject: First Email... 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URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 17:15:41 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:15:41 +0200 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for > Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of > the box in Fedora 9? > > I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of > thing... but I've just utterly failed. I was hoping to surprise > everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for > me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal > with open video content in a user accessible way. I think miro is a > workable solution. But I've failed to deliver. > > So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help. > > Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of > theora videos that miro understands as a channel? It doesn't have to > be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast > Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak > torrent. We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in > Fedora's people space. > > Once we have that, we can figure out how best to host additional > screencast material as part of our Project communication strategy. I > think doing torrents might make some sense, but we have to talk with > infrastructure concerning hosting space requirements. And we'll have > to figure out how the access control model we want to use...well I > should say 'you' want to use. I'm very sure that the policy with > regard to editorial control of an official Fedora video feed should be > in the hands of the marketeers with input from docs and translators. > > Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera > interviews and so on and so on. > > So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to > get a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a > full discussion. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language (english and croatian). Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From indrayana.mb at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 01:26:08 2008 From: indrayana.mb at gmail.com (Indrayana MB.) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:26:08 +0700 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just > where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language > (english and croatian). > > Cheers, > Valent. > > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > Hi Valent, I'm very interested with your work and I think I can used it to promote FOSS especially Fedora in my country. Is your videos already done? Would you send it to my email address the english version? Thank you for your kindnest attention. best regards, Indrayana MB. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 01:52:16 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:52:16 -0800 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just > where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language > (english and croatian). We do not have a place dedicated to host videos. For now, you can keep short videos in your people.fedoraproject.org space. As a first cut at organizing the videos, I imagine we could do something similar to what we are doing now with the planet and have individuals with videos create a short formatted file which describes the videos they are making available and harvest that information from people.fedoraproject.org and generate the appropriate miro feed putting all the videos together. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 02:10:56 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:10:56 -0800 Subject: Fedora contributor video series experiment Message-ID: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> Just as an experiment... would anyone be willing to setup a laptop with a video capture camera running cheese at FUDCon so we can capture some candid documentary styled interviews of individual contributors? I want video of people sitting down, stating their names and answer a single pre-defined question. I don't need it to be high quality. I just want to experiment with this sort of footage as a way to put a human face on the project but doesn't need a lot of editting to be useful. So if you are going to FUDCon and think this is an interesting experiment, here is what I'd like to see. 1) A laptop with cheese running set up so that people can sit down in front of a reasonable neutral background...blank wall of any color would be fine. 2) A simple script that we ask everyone to follow where they are asked to state their name, state the question they are going to answer and state the answer. 3) Give people a time limit of a couple of minutes per personal theora video. So the only thing is really.. what question to ask people. If someone is willing to put the hardware together to attempt to experiment. I'll convince the Board to provide the question to ask and we'll see how this sort of thing goes over. If we like the result and think we can use it, we can replicate it by asking ambassadors to repeat this sort of thing at different global events and build up footage in different languages that we can edit together as needed for marketing purposes. -jef From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jun 5 05:23:20 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:23:20 +0300 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48477848.7020808@nicubunu.ro> Indrayana MB. wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Valent Turkovic > I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just > where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language > (english and croatian). > > I'm very interested with your work and I think I can used it to promote > FOSS especially Fedora in my country. > Is your videos already done? Here are a few videos made by Paul: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/ > Would you send it to my email address the english version? I think you want such links sent to the list, not only to your personal address, so we all can enjoy them. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 06:35:26 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 00:35:26 -0600 Subject: Fedora contributor video series experiment In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Just as an experiment... would anyone be willing to setup a laptop > with a video capture camera running cheese at FUDCon so we can capture > some candid documentary styled interviews of individual contributors? > I want video of people sitting down, stating their names and answer a > single pre-defined question. I don't need it to be high quality. I > just want to experiment with this sort of footage as a way to put a > human face on the project but doesn't need a lot of editting to be > useful. > > So if you are going to FUDCon and think this is an interesting > experiment, here is what I'd like to see. > > 1) A laptop with cheese running set up so that people can sit down in > front of a reasonable neutral background...blank wall of any color > would be fine. > > 2) A simple script that we ask everyone to follow where they are asked > to state their name, state the question they are going to answer and > state the answer. > > 3) Give people a time limit of a couple of minutes per personal theora > video. > > > So the only thing is really.. what question to ask people. If > someone is willing to put the hardware together to attempt to > experiment. I'll convince the Board to provide the question to ask and > we'll see how this sort of thing goes over. If we like the result and > think we can use it, we can replicate it by asking ambassadors to > repeat this sort of thing at different global events and build up > footage in different languages that we can edit together as needed for > marketing purposes. > > -jef > Jeff, I'd be happy to experiment with this. I've got my eeep c with a webcam working, just need to see if we can actually save the video on it. If not, I've got a webcam that I can experiment with in the next couple weeks and get cheese working. This sounds like fun! Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 15:19:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:19:20 +0000 Subject: Fedora contributor video series experiment In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212679160.8253.65.camel@victoria> On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 18:10 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Just as an experiment... would anyone be willing to setup a laptop > with a video capture camera running cheese at FUDCon so we can capture > some candid documentary styled interviews of individual contributors? > I want video of people sitting down, stating their names and answer a > single pre-defined question. I don't need it to be high quality. I > just want to experiment with this sort of footage as a way to put a > human face on the project but doesn't need a lot of editting to be > useful. > > So if you are going to FUDCon and think this is an interesting > experiment, here is what I'd like to see. > > 1) A laptop with cheese running set up so that people can sit down in > front of a reasonable neutral background...blank wall of any color > would be fine. > > 2) A simple script that we ask everyone to follow where they are asked > to state their name, state the question they are going to answer and > state the answer. > > 3) Give people a time limit of a couple of minutes per personal theora video. > > > So the only thing is really.. what question to ask people. If > someone is willing to put the hardware together to attempt to > experiment. I'll convince the Board to provide the question to ask and > we'll see how this sort of thing goes over. If we like the result and > think we can use it, we can replicate it by asking ambassadors to > repeat this sort of thing at different global events and build up > footage in different languages that we can edit together as needed for > marketing purposes. I would say you don't need the Board to provide the question -- put a suggestion here and let the Marketing crew here refine it! How about: "Why do you work on the Fedora Project, as opposed to some other {FOSS project, hobby, philanthropic pursuit}?" -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jun 5 15:28:48 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Reminder: Fedora marketing meeting today Message-ID: On #fedora-mktg. 1900 UTC, 3pm Eastern US. The agenda, as always: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks * Talk bubble stickers. Mo, an update? * Wish list for Istanbul videos. MichaelBeckwith has some ideas. * Event box update from JeffreyTadlock. And then, I'd like to talk about collateral. It's all over the place. I think it might be useful to get one kick-ass repository of all the awesome Fedora content. (Maybe even... an RPM. Crazy? Shocking? "yum install fedora-mktg-stuff"? You tell me.) Let's kick some ideas around today. --g From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jun 5 15:39:07 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:39:07 +0300 Subject: Fedora contributor video series experiment In-Reply-To: <1212679160.8253.65.camel@victoria> References: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> <1212679160.8253.65.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <4848089B.60207@nicubunu.ro> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I would say you don't need the Board to provide the question -- put a > suggestion here and let the Marketing crew here refine it! > > How about: "Why do you work on the Fedora Project, as opposed to some > other {FOSS project, hobby, philanthropic pursuit}?" Heh, you can get an answer like: I work also on this and that other projects in parallel with my work on Fedora. An additional question may be: "How (and maybe when) have you started contributing to Fedora". Also "What do you like the most at contributing to Fedora?" and also be bold and ask "What are the areas where you think it could be better?" -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 16:48:36 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:48:36 +0000 Subject: Reminder: Fedora marketing meeting today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1212684516.8253.106.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:28 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > On #fedora-mktg. 1900 UTC, 3pm Eastern US. > > The agenda, as always: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks > > * Talk bubble stickers. Mo, an update? > * Wish list for Istanbul videos. MichaelBeckwith has some ideas. > * Event box update from JeffreyTadlock. > > And then, I'd like to talk about collateral. It's all over the place. I > think it might be useful to get one kick-ass repository of all the awesome > Fedora content. (Maybe even... an RPM. Crazy? Shocking? "yum install > fedora-mktg-stuff"? You tell me.) Not shocking at all! It should be super-easy to get a fedorahosted repository of this stuff in source form. I hate to get all engineer-y and say "yay, git!" but *something* where we can do revision control would behoove us. With so much of this in SVG or other text-based formats, it'd make sense I hope. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux at elfshadow.net Thu Jun 5 18:39:52 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:39:52 -0400 Subject: Reminder: Fedora marketing meeting today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10e0a9b00806051139t100ca877h23a3d8f0f41dbaca@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > * Event box update from JeffreyTadlock. I have a $dayjob conflict today. So here is an update in the event I am not there. I posted a new thread to the Ambassador list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00014.html with some feedback and comments in that thread. I have updated the Event Box page in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox I mainly checked the pricing and listed an option for a mini-PC style machine to include in the event box if we want to provide a standard computer to folks. I also estimated shipping costs for an 85 pound container from mid-US to both coasts - those costs were between $65 and $85-ish. I will catch up via the meeting log, so if there are questions feel free to bring them up in the meeting or post the email list. Thanks! Jeffrey From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 21:28:56 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:28:56 -0800 Subject: Fedora contributor video series experiment In-Reply-To: <4848089B.60207@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> <1212679160.8253.65.camel@victoria> <4848089B.60207@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910806051428n1c942f2er2367e5eab14ed37b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > An additional question may be: "How (and maybe when) have you started > contributing to Fedora". > > Also "What do you like the most at contributing to Fedora?" and also be bold > and ask "What are the areas where you think it could be better?" For simplicity I want a single question and a response time limit as part of the script. It's our first attempt at this sort of thing, and I don't want a big pile that requires a massive amount of human editing to do anything useful with. To that extend I think Paul's example question is structured wrongly...way to wordy. For the first time out I also don't want a criticism question or a suggestion question. The reason I suggested this exercise was to generate video material we could use for external-facing marketting reasons. Video we can string together with minimal editting and show to external people to get them interested in joining our community. I think you have something close to the right question here: "What do you like the most about contributing to Fedora" short, direct, positive. -jef From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 22:51:38 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:51:38 -0600 Subject: Fedora contributor video series experiment In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806051428n1c942f2er2367e5eab14ed37b@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> <1212679160.8253.65.camel@victoria> <4848089B.60207@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806051428n1c942f2er2367e5eab14ed37b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Nicu Buculei > wrote: > > An additional question may be: "How (and maybe when) have you started > > contributing to Fedora". > > > > Also "What do you like the most at contributing to Fedora?" and also be > bold > > and ask "What are the areas where you think it could be better?" > > > For simplicity I want a single question and a response time limit as > part of the script. It's our first attempt at this sort of thing, and > I don't want a big pile that requires a massive amount of human > editing to do anything useful with. > > To that extend I think Paul's example question is structured > wrongly...way to wordy. > > For the first time out I also don't want a criticism question or a > suggestion question. The reason I suggested this exercise was to > generate video material we could use for external-facing marketting > reasons. Video we can string together with minimal editting and show > to external people to get them interested in joining our community. > > I think you have something close to the right question here: > "What do you like the most about contributing to Fedora" > > short, direct, positive. I like this simplistic approach as well. I would suggest something similar: What is your favorite feature in the latest Fedora release, and why? It allows for a longer answer, but allows those aren't contributors (yet) to help us share a cool message about what's cool in Fedora. Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 22:51:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:51:50 +0000 Subject: Fedora contributor video series experiment In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806051428n1c942f2er2367e5eab14ed37b@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> <1212679160.8253.65.camel@victoria> <4848089B.60207@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806051428n1c942f2er2367e5eab14ed37b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212706310.8253.138.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 13:28 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > An additional question may be: "How (and maybe when) have you started > > contributing to Fedora". > > > > Also "What do you like the most at contributing to Fedora?" and also be bold > > and ask "What are the areas where you think it could be better?" > > > For simplicity I want a single question and a response time limit as > part of the script. It's our first attempt at this sort of thing, and > I don't want a big pile that requires a massive amount of human > editing to do anything useful with. > > To that extend I think Paul's example question is structured > wrongly...way to wordy. > > For the first time out I also don't want a criticism question or a > suggestion question. The reason I suggested this exercise was to > generate video material we could use for external-facing marketting > reasons. Video we can string together with minimal editting and show > to external people to get them interested in joining our community. > > I think you have something close to the right question here: > "What do you like the most about contributing to Fedora" > > short, direct, positive. That's a good one, no doubt. If you wanted to be a bit more open-ended (maybe not the best goal, I agree): "What is Fedora to you?" -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 23:25:46 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:25:46 -0800 Subject: Fedora contributor video series experiment In-Reply-To: <1212706310.8253.138.camel@victoria> References: <604aa7910806041910n38518452v1ad85a9551d23cb1@mail.gmail.com> <1212679160.8253.65.camel@victoria> <4848089B.60207@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806051428n1c942f2er2367e5eab14ed37b@mail.gmail.com> <1212706310.8253.138.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <604aa7910806051625s5d820b85i11649a8f4454d0e6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/5 Paul W. Frields : > That's a good one, no doubt. If you wanted to be a bit more open-ended > (maybe not the best goal, I agree): "What is Fedora to you?" I'm going to become increasing more blunt in my responses. Collectively we have no frelling idea what to do with video footage like this. We MUST avoid open ended questions until we have a good feel for making use of the footage or the footage is just going to sit around instead of a useful tool. Just because we can ask open ended question doesn't mean there is utility in doing it...yet. If the answers are too long to be compiled into a useful 30 second to 60 second commercial...then no.. i don't want those answers on video yet... not as part of this sort of scripted documentary style experiment. If we want to give people a video soapbox and be to be expansive...a miro channel feed is how we are going to do that. But this specific experiment is NOT the miro channel concept which I've talked about in another thread. This is meant to be something different, short usable clips meant to be usable as raw material for high impact video messaging that a marketing group can start playing with video as a messaging tool. High impact video messaging is NOT 10 minute long rambling commentary..that's what video blogs are for. I'd rather keep it too narrow on the first experiment then have it too wide and end up with a pile of footage that we can't get our head around. -jef From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 06:52:37 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:52:37 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 8.04 vs. Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <64b14b300806050821w22683b0ak50ffb62f238b587a@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300806050821w22683b0ak50ffb62f238b587a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300806052352w76d0200fva595c8e1fb3dc074@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > http://osnews.com/story/19818/Ubuntu-8.04-vs.-Fedora-9 > > When it comes to Fedora, there were a few problems on the X.org side, > but what they loved was the support for SELinux. " Most users will > find that the biggest benefit of SELinux is its management of root > user authority: The program alerts you when you've had root privileges > activated for more than a few minutes, so you can minimize your > exposure from this vulnerability." > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > Actually the conclusion is better: For users who are already familiar with Linux, Fedora 9 is an excellent choice. Robust security features and installation options make it somewhat more versatile than Ubuntu, which offers a more streamlined (and therefore more restricted) installation. For most users, though, including millions interested in trying Linux for the first time, Fedora lacks the polish and ready-to-run simplicity of its more popular rival. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From dimitris at glezos.com Fri Jun 6 10:56:45 2008 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:56:45 +0300 Subject: Fedora on Slashdot topics Message-ID: <6d4237680806060356k4089635asf2a3fe0e708e4a25@mail.gmail.com> I just noticed that Fedora isn't listed on the Slashdot topics: http://slashdot.org/topics.shtml And Slashdot editors fall back in using the Red Hat symbol with their Fedora announcements. Any reason not to request adding Fedora there? -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jun 6 11:13:36 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:13:36 +0300 Subject: Fedora on Slashdot topics In-Reply-To: <6d4237680806060356k4089635asf2a3fe0e708e4a25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6d4237680806060356k4089635asf2a3fe0e708e4a25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48491BE0.4000308@nicubunu.ro> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > I just noticed that Fedora isn't listed on the Slashdot topics: > > http://slashdot.org/topics.shtml > > And Slashdot editors fall back in using the Red Hat symbol with their > Fedora announcements. Any reason not to request adding Fedora there? No reason, just go ahead and ask. However, I expect [*] the reply will be that the two are close enough that only one topic is enough (you may notice they do not have an Ubuntu topic either and the Ubuntu stories are covered by the Debian topic), but is no harm in asking. [*] my level of expectancy is set from previous cases, like when they were asked to use a correct GNOME icon (following the logo guidelines) and refused (IIRC, because it does not look good enough or something like that). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 11:57:24 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 03:57:24 -0800 Subject: Reminder: Fedora marketing meeting today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910806060457u6052b899v519f6b480ef8373e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > * Wish list for Istanbul videos. MichaelBeckwith has some ideas. Speaking of screencasts.... I've been re-learning the gstreamer syntax so I can update the audio splice script that was originally created for gst 0.8 on the ScreenCasting page. I have a working script again. Should I put it back into the wiki? If you are interesting in having multiple versions of the same videos with different audio, I would image this would be very handy. -jef From axelilly at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 13:46:32 2008 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:46:32 -0400 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0805310705h28362a0cp303525d174cf8d9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <7f692fec0805310705h28362a0cp303525d174cf8d9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I really like the idea of the Fudcon bracelets. 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URL: From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Jun 6 13:58:24 2008 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:58:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora on Slashdot topics In-Reply-To: <6d4237680806060356k4089635asf2a3fe0e708e4a25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6d4237680806060356k4089635asf2a3fe0e708e4a25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > And Slashdot editors fall back in using the Red Hat symbol with their > Fedora announcements. Any reason not to request adding Fedora there? I have asked several times in the past and they have always just said "no". I even offered to ask our art team to create the graphic for them. Maybe someone else should ask. :) Last time I mentioned it to them was just before they posted an interview with me, which was probably almost 2 years ago, at this point. --Max From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 14:25:45 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:55:45 +0530 Subject: Fedora on Slashdot topics In-Reply-To: <6d4237680806060356k4089635asf2a3fe0e708e4a25@mail.gmail.com> References: <6d4237680806060356k4089635asf2a3fe0e708e4a25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484948E9.3090107@gmail.com> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > I just noticed that Fedora isn't listed on the Slashdot topics: > > http://slashdot.org/topics.shtml > > And Slashdot editors fall back in using the Red Hat symbol with their > Fedora announcements. Any reason not to request adding Fedora there? Getting a bunch of folks on Fedora Planet to ask a same question on their blog won't help would it ? :) -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From rafaelliu at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 14:39:58 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:39:58 -0300 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't actually know how to make a screencast, but I volunteer for making Live USB screencast. I think it's a really attractive tool for beginners and a great chance to aggregate more users to Fedora. One complication I can think of is that I would have to reboot my machine to boot the USB... Maybe a screencast made by a virtual machine? Any suggestions? Rafael Liu 2008/6/6 Jason Fenner : > Awesome. Thanks for posting that page up there. The list is already > looking good. I'll be sure to add some more ideas. > > -- > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > Jason > aka, Axelilly > Catch me on gchat or Jabber > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jun 6 15:00:44 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:00:44 +0300 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4849511C.6030409@nicubunu.ro> rafael liu wrote: > I don't actually know how to make a screencast, but I volunteer for > making Live USB screencast. I think it's a really attractive tool for > beginners and a great chance to aggregate more users to Fedora. Then start by reading this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting (but I am afraid the info there is a bit old and could use some updating) > One complication I can think of is that I would have to reboot my > machine to boot the USB... Maybe a screencast made by a virtual machine? > Any suggestions? I am not sure what is the target of the proposed screencast: creating a Live USB? booting it? working with it? For creation, you can record the terminal window where the image is transferred to Live USB, for booting it, yes, you will need a VM and for working with the stick (live persistence), you can install Istanbul on the stick. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From dezone24 at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 15:06:38 2008 From: dezone24 at gmail.com (Diego Escobar) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:06:38 -0500 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <4849511C.6030409@nicubunu.ro> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <4849511C.6030409@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: 2008/6/6 Nicu Buculei : > rafael liu wrote: > >> I don't actually know how to make a screencast, but I volunteer for making >> Live USB screencast. I think it's a really attractive tool for beginners and >> a great chance to aggregate more users to Fedora. >> > > Then start by reading this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting(but I am afraid the info there is a bit old and could use some updating) > > One complication I can think of is that I would have to reboot my machine >> to boot the USB... Maybe a screencast made by a virtual machine? Any >> suggestions? >> > > I am not sure what is the target of the proposed screencast: creating a > Live USB? booting it? working with it? > > For creation, you can record the terminal window where the image is > transferred to Live USB, for booting it, yes, you will need a VM and for > working with the stick (live persistence), you can install Istanbul on the > stick. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Thanks for your response. I had the same question. The list is looking good and growing. I did my first suggestion and also I am interested to do the screencast. (I will learn how to). Regards -- Diego Escobar Fedora Ambassador for Colombia Fedora Release 9 (Sulphur): Linux Kernel 2.6.25 + Gnome 2.22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 15:16:15 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:16:15 +0200 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <7f692fec0805310705h28362a0cp303525d174cf8d9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f692fec0806060816l6deee251r2fd0f075ec410d4e@mail.gmail.com> Put them in a #6 envelope and put two stamps on them. The hard part is printing out labels. Actually, the hard part is taking in all the orders, and possibly donations to fund the costs of shipping. -Yaakov 2008/6/6 Jason Fenner : > I really like the idea of the Fudcon bracelets. However, they are so > small...how could we distribute them cost effectively? > > -- > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > Jason > aka, Axelilly > Catch me on gchat or Jabber > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From aacosta at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 6 15:29:43 2008 From: aacosta at fedoraproject.org (Alejandro Acosta) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:29:43 -0600 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0806060816l6deee251r2fd0f075ec410d4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <7f692fec0805310705h28362a0cp303525d174cf8d9c@mail.gmail.com> <7f692fec0806060816l6deee251r2fd0f075ec410d4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1212766183.3149.19.camel@stacy.localdomain> A weakness that I identify about the brazelets is that you might miss a "Special" moment and you wouldn't capture in a cammera only 'cause you didn't have the brazelet in that precise moment or you didn't have enough, or they simply didn't arrive. If the idea of the blue ribbon resembling the infinity symbol is already discharged (is it??), I would like to suggest to stand by the original idea of getting a trinket that is: * universal * cheap * massive producible * no shipping involved * not using directly the fedora logo but its values: voice, infinity, freedom Anyway, this discussion is taking a while now and it has had its highs and lows (meaning the intensity or frecuency we've been discussing) and I think we should come soon to a conclusion before the coffee table thing gets tired and eventually dismissed. If you ask for my vote I'll say we stay with the ribbon in the absence of a better option yet Regards On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 17:16 +0200, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > Put them in a #6 envelope and put two stamps on them. The hard part > is printing out labels. > > Actually, the hard part is taking in all the orders, and possibly > donations to fund the costs of shipping. > > -Yaakov > > 2008/6/6 Jason Fenner : > > I really like the idea of the Fudcon bracelets. However, they are so > > small...how could we distribute them cost effectively? > > > > -- > > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > > Jason > > aka, Axelilly > > Catch me on gchat or Jabber > > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jun 6 15:42:54 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:42:54 +0300 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <4849511C.6030409@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48495AFE.2030003@nicubunu.ro> Diego Escobar wrote: > > Thanks for your response. I had the same question. > The list is looking good and growing. I did my first suggestion and > also I am interested to do the screencast. (I will learn how to). Do you like redundancy? Here is a little screencast about creating screencasts: http://howto.nicubunu.ro/video/howto-istanbul.ogg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jun 6 16:37:52 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:37:52 +0300 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484967E0.2020205@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like > that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain > trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project > stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials > concerning that person and Fedora. Could that object be a ninja related item (I am not sure what item) so we can call the photo collection something like "Fedora ninjas from around the world"? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 17:56:10 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:56:10 +0200 Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. In-Reply-To: <484967E0.2020205@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910805221330l673d25bcv44475f2241bbb0e6@mail.gmail.com> <484967E0.2020205@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <7f692fec0806061056v6b5cdfc7had2d72273bc47d22@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> >> I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like >> that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain >> trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project >> stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials >> concerning that person and Fedora. > > Could that object be a ninja related item (I am not sure what item) so we > can call the photo collection something like "Fedora ninjas from around the > world"? Be a t-shirt ninja with your fedora t-shirt. Yup Happy Friday -Yaakov From rafaelliu at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 20:02:05 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:02:05 -0300 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <4849511C.6030409@nicubunu.ro> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <4849511C.6030409@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > rafael liu wrote: > >> I don't actually know how to make a screencast, but I volunteer for making >> Live USB screencast. I think it's a really attractive tool for beginners and >> a great chance to aggregate more users to Fedora. >> > > Then start by reading this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting(but I am afraid the info there is a bit old and could use some updating) > Well, some other point to contribute ;) I'll read about it and try to update information there. > > One complication I can think of is that I would have to reboot my machine >> to boot the USB... Maybe a screencast made by a virtual machine? Any >> suggestions? >> > > I am not sure what is the target of the proposed screencast: creating a > Live USB? booting it? working with it? > > For creation, you can record the terminal window where the image is > transferred to Live USB, for booting it, yes, you will need a VM and for > working with the stick (live persistence), you can install Istanbul on the > stick. > > Actually my idea was to do all the way to go all the way until a fully functional Live USB Fedora. The screencast should stop once the Live USB is created, but I would like to show how would it be booting and using it (just to show persistence). Thinking about it now it may get too long... > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jun 9 12:26:32 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Reminder: Fedora marketing meeting today In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806060457u6052b899v519f6b480ef8373e@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806060457u6052b899v519f6b480ef8373e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >> * Wish list for Istanbul videos. MichaelBeckwith has some ideas. > > Speaking of screencasts.... > I've been re-learning the gstreamer syntax so I can update the audio > splice script that was originally created for gst 0.8 on the > ScreenCasting page. > > I have a working script again. Should I put it back into the wiki? If > you are interesting in having multiple versions of the same videos > with different audio, I would image this would be very handy. Absolutely you should! --g From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 9 13:28:31 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:58:31 +0530 Subject: Michael Chen: India Third-Largest Contributor To Fedora Community Message-ID: <484D2FFF.20109@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/26965/news.htm http://digg.com/linux_unix/India_Third_Largest_Contributor_To_Fedora_Community "Michael Chen, director, Red Hat was recently on a visit to India. In an interview with Swapnil Bhartiya, assistant editor, EFYtimes.com, Chen elucidated upon various issues ranging from the awareness about Linux and open source to India's strengths and the challenges the country is facing in the open source world." Rahul From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 18:24:49 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:24:49 -0800 Subject: Michael Chen: India Third-Largest Contributor To Fedora Community In-Reply-To: <484D2FFF.20109@fedoraproject.org> References: <484D2FFF.20109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910806091124l3383f53esed6361dc7e373ba4@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:28 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/26965/news.htm > > http://digg.com/linux_unix/India_Third_Largest_Contributor_To_Fedora_Community > This is pretty good. I think he articulates what Fedora is as an open platform and its relationship with Red Hat's business model. Though I'd love to talk to him one to one concerning how do we train up contributors in a sustainable way. -jef From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 02:07:47 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:07:47 -0600 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I sent this over to the docs list and then realized that's probably not the right place :) Cheers On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > Hi all, > > So I took a couple hours last night/this morning to create a screen cast of > cheese and its usage. I think its pretty good. > > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/cheese-final.ogg (9.4MB) > ~4.75minutes > > The only issue I saw with istanbul, was that when I'd sometimes launch an > application (cheese, or epiphany to show the cheese website) the audio would > get garbled a little or a lot during the presentation. I am not sure if > this is really a bug, or some sort of config error on my part. > > Cheers, > > Clint > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 02:29:37 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:29:37 -0800 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910806091929p5699c903ma809402b79f3d58d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/9 Clint Savage : >> The only issue I saw with istanbul, was that when I'd sometimes launch an >> application (cheese, or epiphany to show the cheese website) the audio would >> get garbled a little or a lot during the presentation. I am not sure if >> this is really a bug, or some sort of config error on my part. Istanbul is a very shallow layer on top of gstreamer. All the encoding magic is done via a gstreamer pipeline which I believe istanbul reports to the cmdline and you can reuse with gst-launch. If you can reproduce the audio glitches with the gst pipeline using gst-launch instead of istanbul its probably a gst bug or some sort of glitch due to cpu spiking disrupting the audio encoding. But luckily its easy to replace an existing audio track with a new track. I'll update the screencasting wiki page this evening with the audio replacement shell script that works with gst 0.10. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 02:53:19 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:53:19 -0800 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806091929p5699c903ma809402b79f3d58d@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806091929p5699c903ma809402b79f3d58d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806091953i390c664bt513fe86554aa3060@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > But luckily its easy to replace an existing audio track with a new > track. I'll update the screencasting wiki page this evening with the > audio replacement shell script that works with gst 0.10. Done, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting has an updated version of fedora-av-splice.sh which works with gst-lauch 0.10 as provided in Fedora 8 and 9. With this you can merge an audio file encoded in a format gst recognizes and a theora video creating a new theora video with vorbis encoded audio making use of the new audio track. I've tested it locally with wavfiles and theora videos. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 02:59:02 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:59:02 -0800 Subject: Reminder: Fedora marketing meeting today In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910806060457u6052b899v519f6b480ef8373e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806091959i49a8f9a9na1526132d5e86d48@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >>> >>> * Wish list for Istanbul videos. MichaelBeckwith has some ideas. >> >> Speaking of screencasts.... >> I've been re-learning the gstreamer syntax so I can update the audio >> splice script that was originally created for gst 0.8 on the >> ScreenCasting page. >> >> I have a working script again. Should I put it back into the wiki? If >> you are interesting in having multiple versions of the same videos >> with different audio, I would image this would be very handy. > > Absolutely you should! Done. As noted in the other thread. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting has an updated version of fedora-av-splice.sh which should work with gst-launch 0.10 as seen in Fedora 8 and 9. The script is archived in the wiki here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:ScreenCasting_fedora-av-splice.sh I haven't fixed any other scripts on the Screencasting page yet. Honestly I think this page needs to be blown up and redone in the context of an organized effort at screencasting. If video-ographers need specific gsteamer pipeline scripts like fedora-av-splice to help with specific aspects of video production, I can probably help create them as needed. Though I hope to see more effort to flush out pitivi so we don't have to dive down to the cmdline and use scipts like fedora-av-splice by F11. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 03:29:02 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:29:02 -0800 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Here's a page for anyone to add to the list of ideas for screencasts. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/ScreencastIdeas Okay to take this to the next step, here's is what I need someone to do. I need someone or a group of someone's to watch this page for new videos and then turn the information into this page into an rss feed that we can view in miro. You'd have to manually add new screencasts to the miro feed for the time being. For the time being lets stick to an english feed. As we collect more videos we can think about redoing the audio in different languages and setting up additional language specific feeds using the alternative audio tracks. We should probably consider changing the format of that table to include several useful tags that miro knows how to parse. if we are really clever we will construct a wikipage that we can parse with a tool and generate the miro feed once we settle on a format for the information. Yes, I realize that we shouldn't do this manually in the long term, but for the time being so we can experiment with the entire process including miro as our preferred viewer of this sort of community generated content. Anyone want to volunteer to generate the associated rss feed meant to be used in miro? Starting with Clint's video as the first rss entry. Following the format that Jon Roberts gave us in another post would want to be able to construct rss entries from the collected wiki information that look like this: Fedora Project http://fedoraproject.org Find out all about the Fedora Project, from screencast tutorials to video interviews with members of our community. en-us Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification jonrob at fedoraproject.org webmaster at fedoraproject.org GVFS http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg Have you heard about Gnome's new GVFS system? It lets you copy multiple files at once, queues transfers and keeps track of everything you're doing in one neat window. Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 04:05:00 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 20:05:00 -0800 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/9 Clint Savage : > I sent this over to the docs list and then realized that's probably not the > right place :) So I've watched it, and I love it. Too bad cheese and istanbul don't sync up better when recording or we'd have a very clever way to do a picture in picture video to add sign language 'voice over' to videos. But sadly I don't think we have out-of-the box video editing tools which can scale and overlay video feeds like that. We might be able to do that sort of simple video overlay directly through gstreamer pipeline manipulation but right now that is beyond me. I'd need to reach into the gstreamer guru community and extract knowledge from them in small doses. I'll make a promise. If people make the commitment to generate end-user Fedora video content like screencast tutorials on a regular basis, I'll make the effort to find gstreamer video manipulation expertise to add to the the Fedora community to help generate higher production value content over time. -jef From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 04:33:06 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 22:33:06 -0600 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/6/9 Clint Savage : > > I sent this over to the docs list and then realized that's probably not > the > > right place :) > > > So I've watched it, and I love it. Too bad cheese and istanbul don't > sync up better when recording or we'd have a very clever way to do a > picture in picture video to add sign language 'voice over' to videos. > But sadly I don't think we have out-of-the box video editing tools > which can scale and overlay video feeds like that. We might be able > to do that sort of simple video overlay directly through gstreamer > pipeline manipulation but right now that is beyond me. I'd need to > reach into the gstreamer guru community and extract knowledge from > them in small doses. > > I'll make a promise. If people make the commitment to generate > end-user Fedora video content like screencast tutorials on a regular > basis, I'll make the effort to find gstreamer video manipulation > expertise to add to the the Fedora community to help generate higher > production value content over time. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Jeff, Thanks for the kind words. I think it was rather fun to do this and I'd like to do more! I can say that I'll take the commands you recommend and see if I can't figure out what the problem is so we can get it fixed wherever its happening. I look forward to getting these kinds of videos out everywhere. In fact, I was talking with my employer, Guru Labs, about doing some more videos in a more system administration nature. For instance, a simple video on how to do LVM and RAID together using both GUI and text tools. Probably a bit longer and more in-depth, but still fun. Thanks again Jeff... Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 07:08:59 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 23:08:59 -0800 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806100008i1d87eb67scb15acd9f9e3421f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/9 Clint Savage : > I look forward to getting these kinds of videos out everywhere. In fact, I > was talking with my employer, Guru Labs, about doing some more videos in a > more system > administration nature. For instance, a simple video on how to do LVM and > RAID together using both GUI and text tools. Probably a bit longer and > more in-depth, but > still fun. Can guru labs provide some measure of hosting for videos? We don't have a location identified for hosting and if they are willing to support your video fetish, then we can link from gurulabs for videos you produce, especially longer segments. If you are going to make several videos fo significant length I'm not sure fedorapeople can accommodate them all. Try to to aim for 5 or 10 minute segments which can be strung together for now. For longer footage will need to attempt to use a torrent seed through miro i think... but we aren't there yet. We also need to decided on what license is appropriate for anything we put on our "official" Fedora Miro channel. I'd like people to be able to cut and mix video as liberally as possible while still giving credit to the original video authors. I think it would even be appropriate to have a credit screen for your employer at the end of videos you make if guru labs makes this sort of thing a part of your job. We'll need so general guidelines in terms of the length of time for credits i think..but we'll figure something out. I don't want full blown commercials as credits, I think we can limit credits to text on a black background no longer than 30 seconds in total and feel comfortable with it for now, followed at the very end with a license statement. But I want to give credit where credit is due. And if you are getting paid to produce content that is valuable to the Fedora community and are gifting it to us, I think its fair to give your employer credit in the video production credits. First things first, lets get a few more videos up on the page and get a miro feed up that we can test. -jef From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 13:02:46 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:02:46 -0600 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806100008i1d87eb67scb15acd9f9e3421f@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806100008i1d87eb67scb15acd9f9e3421f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/6/9 Clint Savage : > > I look forward to getting these kinds of videos out everywhere. In fact, > I > > was talking with my employer, Guru Labs, about doing some more videos in > a > > more system > > administration nature. For instance, a simple video on how to do LVM and > > RAID together using both GUI and text tools. Probably a bit longer and > > more in-depth, but > > still fun. > > Can guru labs provide some measure of hosting for videos? We don't > have a location identified for hosting and if they are willing to > support your video fetish, then we can link from gurulabs for videos > you produce, especially longer segments. If you are going to make > several videos fo significant length I'm not sure fedorapeople can > accommodate them all. Try to to aim for 5 or 10 minute segments which > can be strung together for now. For longer footage will need to > attempt to use a torrent seed through miro i think... but we aren't > there yet. That's the idea. I've not confirmed it all with them yet, but they are interested in this idea. They want the videos on their site so they get the hits and the traffic as well. I was thinking it might be a good compromise to have links on the fedoraproject.org wiki (or marketing materials) that redirected them to a gurulabs page with the video they could play. What do you think? > > > We also need to decided on what license is appropriate for anything we > put on our "official" Fedora Miro channel. I'd like people to be able > to cut and mix video as liberally as possible while still giving > credit to the original video authors. Oh, right. As far as the Miro channel, I see your point about the phrasing above now. Uh, well I don't see a problem with getting GL or a local ISP to host possibly these videos, as long as credit is given to the hosting locations. What are the licensing options? I've never even looked into licensing video. If it were text, Open Publication License would work. Does that work for video? > > I think it would even be appropriate to have a credit screen for your > employer at the end of videos you make if guru labs makes this sort of > thing a part of your job. We'll need so general guidelines in terms > of the length of time for credits i think..but we'll figure something > out. I don't want full blown commercials as credits, I think we can > limit credits to text on a black background no longer than 30 seconds > in total and feel comfortable with it for now, followed at the very > end with a license statement. But I want to give credit where credit > is due. And if you are getting paid to produce content that is > valuable to the Fedora community and are gifting it to us, I think its > fair to give your employer credit in the video production credits. > I think they'd go for a simple, 'Video hosting provided by Guru Labs (and they're web address)', along with text that explains we're a Linux training company or something. I'll talk with them about these details this week and see how/if they would like to seriously pursue this idea. > First things first, lets get a few more videos up on the page and get > a miro feed up that we can test. > > Tricky part is taking the time to do them, and to get others to take that time. However, I feel the time invested in these videos is worth the effort for the community as a whole. I feel there are people who learn well by reading and others who learn well kinesthetically. So lets get more people involved in videos. Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 14:06:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:06:04 -0400 Subject: Flyers for FUDCon BOS 2008? In-Reply-To: <1212760302.9688.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1212760302.9688.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1213106764.3305.36.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:51 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: > A local university I have contacts with are asking about flyers to put > up around the university advertising the upcoming FUDCon event. Mo has > offered to create some from her templates, but she needs content to put > in it. Can ya'll work up some content regarding the event for her? Has anyone picked up the task of providing this content? Here's something I wrote for the Summit folks for their daily event newspaper. NOTE: Not all of this is going to be relevant in the context of a university flier. I trust people's good judgment to adapt it properly. :-) ''' FUDCon at the Summit While Red Hat executives, developers, partners, and customers are rubbing elbows at the Summit, there's a whole additional event going on simultaneously. You'll find the Fedora community hard at work, brainstorming, planning, and hacking on the future of our free, leading edge, community supported platform. From Thursday to Saturday, we're holding a Fedora Users and Developers Conference (FUDCon) here in Boston. Thursday and Friday we'll be here in the Hynes Center on the third floor, holding all-day ?hackathon? sessions extending over many workgroups in several rooms in the FUDCon space. You can stop by, introduce yourself, and meet world-class developers, designers, and system administrators. Ask about the features or platform enhancements they're working on. Heck, you might even want to roll up your sleeves and get involved when you meet some of the brainiacs behind Fedora. On Saturday, we're moving to Boston University, where we'll hold a full day of BarCamp sessions. At a standard conference, some of the most rewarding conversations are those that happen in the hallways between or after sessions. BarCamp makes those conversations the entire focus of the day. Speakers pitch their talks first thing in the morning, and then the entire audience collaborates with them on shaping the schedule for the day. Sound like chaos? Maybe a bit, but out of that chaos comes one of the most energizing, captivating, and informative days of Fedora-related talk imaginable. And when it's all over, we'll adjourn to the ever-popular FUDPub, where the conversations can continue over a beverage of your choice. This innovative and results-centered approach has made FUDCon a can't miss event for hundreds of Fedora community members and open source enthusiasts and professionals worldwide. We hope you'll join us while you're here in Boston and embrace the passionate spirit of free and open source software that Fedora's all about. By the way, we'll also be at the Summit's Fedora booth, located near the Cool Stuff Store. If you bring us a 2 GB or larger USB key, we'll turn it into a portable Fedora 9 Live system you can use with any USB booting computer. And all without messing with your other data on the USB key. No muss, no fuss. So even if you can't fit all the FUDCon innovation in around the other fun and learning at the Summit, you can still take a little souvenir home with you. ''' -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From unix-advocate at gmx.com Tue Jun 10 16:33:14 2008 From: unix-advocate at gmx.com (linux-Hawk) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:33:14 -0400 Subject: Flyers for FUDCon BOS 2008? In-Reply-To: <1213106764.3305.36.camel@victoria> References: <1212760302.9688.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1213106764.3305.36.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <484EACCA.30303@gmx.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:51 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: > >> A local university I have contacts with are asking about flyers to put >> up around the university advertising the upcoming FUDCon event. Mo has >> offered to create some from her templates, but she needs content to put >> in it. Can ya'll work up some content regarding the event for her? >> > > Has anyone picked up the task of providing this content? Here's > something I wrote for the Summit folks for their daily event newspaper. > > NOTE: Not all of this is going to be relevant in the context of a > university flier. I trust people's good judgment to adapt it > properly. :-) > > ''' > FUDCon at the Summit > > While Red Hat executives, developers, partners, and customers are > rubbing elbows at the Summit, there's a whole additional event going on > simultaneously. You'll find the Fedora community hard at work, > brainstorming, planning, and hacking on the future of our free, leading > edge, community supported platform. From Thursday to Saturday, we're > holding a Fedora Users and Developers Conference (FUDCon) here in > Boston. > > Thursday and Friday we'll be here in the Hynes Center on the third > floor, holding all-day ?hackathon? sessions extending over many > workgroups in several rooms in the FUDCon space. You can stop by, > introduce yourself, and meet world-class developers, designers, and > system administrators. Ask about the features or platform enhancements > they're working on. Heck, you might even want to roll up your sleeves > and get involved when you meet some of the brainiacs behind Fedora. > > On Saturday, we're moving to Boston University, where we'll hold a full > day of BarCamp sessions. At a standard conference, some of the most > rewarding conversations are those that happen in the hallways between or > after sessions. BarCamp makes those conversations the entire focus of > the day. Speakers pitch their talks first thing in the morning, and then > the entire audience collaborates with them on shaping the schedule for > the day. > > Sound like chaos? Maybe a bit, but out of that chaos comes one of the > most energizing, captivating, and informative days of Fedora-related > talk imaginable. And when it's all over, we'll adjourn to the > ever-popular FUDPub, where the conversations can continue over a > beverage of your choice. > > This innovative and results-centered approach has made FUDCon a can't > miss event for hundreds of Fedora community members and open source > enthusiasts and professionals worldwide. We hope you'll join us while > you're here in Boston and embrace the passionate spirit of free and open > source software that Fedora's all about. > > By the way, we'll also be at the Summit's Fedora booth, located near the > Cool Stuff Store. If you bring us a 2 GB or larger USB key, we'll turn > it into a portable Fedora 9 Live system you can use with any USB booting > computer. And all without messing with your other data on the USB key. > No muss, no fuss. So even if you can't fit all the FUDCon innovation in > around the other fun and learning at the Summit, you can still take a > little souvenir home with you. > ''' > > Thats a great start to the flyers , how ever i'd klike to see some art work on the so people know that they are official project marketing material. Thanks, Porter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucas at cefetce.br Tue Jun 10 16:52:00 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:52:00 -0300 Subject: Hello World! Message-ID: My name is Lucas do Amaral Saboya I'm 18 years old and I live in the city of Fortaleza in Brazil close to the international airport of Fortaleza (Pinto Martins). For 4 years I was an webmaster of CEFETCE (Centro Federal de Educa??o Tecnologica do Cear? - Federal Technology Center of Cear?, and in this period, got my first contact with linux from Fedora Core 4, and now, I am Linux System Administrator on a research project o CEFETCE and a tranee of System Admin at the IT Departament on CEFETCE too. Since I started this new job @ this research project, I'm responsible for everything about Linux here in the project and some other things, like CD-ROM development PHP Programming and managing some servers of the IT Department too. I personally use ONLY Linux for about 4 months, but spent about 3 years on dual boot. Starting with FC4, upgraded to FC5, and FC6, and FC7, and FC8, now I user Fedora Core 9 on my notebook, and other 15 machines, between desktops, servers and thin clients. Also I got some experiences with Debian, Slackware and Ubuntu, but none of those has the same taste tha Fedora do :D, besides, it's the first Open Source OS I ever used, and never let me down with anything ! And now, that I decided to really get envolved with these linux stuff, I've subscribed in some linux courses, then I'll take some certifications, link LPI levels 1 and 2 and RHCE :) So, I think I can help this project spreading Fedora over my city. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 17:33:12 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:33:12 -0800 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806100008i1d87eb67scb15acd9f9e3421f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806101033t25943eet639f48c38b8958df@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/10 Clint Savage : > That's the idea. I've not confirmed it all with them yet, but they are > interested in this idea. They want the videos on their site so they get the > hits and the traffic as well. > I was thinking it might be a good compromise to have links on the > fedoraproject.org wiki (or marketing materials) that redirected them to a > gurulabs page with the video > they could play. What do you think? To be quite honest. I simply do not care where the video is hosted. I care about generating content by and for the Fedora community, preferable using the tools that we can ship. The whole point is to stimulate further interest in unencumbered codecs and associated tools through the generation of content that is actually useful. The Fedora community needs to dogfood open video for its own purposes as part of a larger goal of seeing the video formats and tools broadly adopted. If we don't do it.. no one will. Right now the only really effective tools we have for video distribution to get video into the hands of users in some organized way is the gstreamer backed miro available in Fedora 9. Flash based video simply embedded in a web browser just isn't going to cut it yet due to a lack of support in the native flash binary for ogg. The reliance on A/V in flash needs to be solved before we can make use of it in the context of the larger project offerings. So instead we can produce a series of rss feeds aimed at Miro and encourage users to use miro to watch Fedora community videos. But Fedora doesn't have to host the videos, just like Fedora's planet doesn't host individual blogs. We can build a feed that points into guru labs or other hosting spaces on a video by video basis. I'm sure Red Hat Magazine will want to get in on the act too from time to time. Though if guru labs wants to gift some hosting space that the wider Fedora community can use, beyond what you need, to host tutorial vids or other utility videos I'm sure our infrastructure lead can talk to your employer about what a hosting commitment in this area can and should look like. I know Mike has put some thought into taking resource donations from outside entities. Video content is quite new for us. > What are the licensing options? I've never even looked into licensing video. If it were > text, > Open Publication License would work. Does that work for video? It's going to be one of the more liberal CC licenses, perhaps something as liberal as CC-BY-SA. I'm going to make an arbitrary decision for now that for the time being people experimenting with Fedora videos license under CC-BY-SA, with an understanding that if the acceptable licensing changes as part of on-going discussions the video creators are willing to relicense the works accordingly. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ > I think they'd go for a simple, 'Video hosting provided by Guru Labs (and > they're web address)', along with text that explains we're a Linux training > company or something. > I'll talk with them about these details this week and see how/if they would > like to seriously pursue this idea. We'll find a way to do something. We can probably just add a tagline in the miro description for each video noting a hosting credit on a case by case basis. We can just limit the tagline to some reasonable length as a general policy bound. > Tricky part is taking the time to do them, and to get others to take that > time. However, I feel the time invested in these videos is worth the effort > for the community as a > whole. I feel there are people who learn well by reading and others who > learn well kinesthetically. So lets get more people involved in videos. We have to start somewhere. I think the real video ninjas are out there waiting to be discovered in the community. I think if we create a way for them to easily share 'useful' videos through something like miro, the right people will start stepping out of the userbase cloud as new contributors in this new area. Don't get me wrong, it's not going to be easy. People with real video editing experience are going to be frustrated by the limited nature of toolset we can ship. The editing tools we can provide are still rough. The more mature tools we can't touch because of their direct reliance on ffmpeg which I haven't figure out how to ship with the encumbered bits stripped out adequately yet. We need to find the 'right' people who have an interest in video and can impact the development of the gstreamer based tools that we can ship and help move development forward. But we have to do something to jumpstart the discussion around open media formats and shippable tools instead of spending all our times wringing our hands over our inability to support encumbered media formats. It's time we start producing our own open content, relevent to our own open community using our own open tools, the rest of the world be damned! -jef From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 20:41:22 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:41:22 -0600 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806101033t25943eet639f48c38b8958df@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806100008i1d87eb67scb15acd9f9e3421f@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806101033t25943eet639f48c38b8958df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/6/10 Clint Savage : > > That's the idea. I've not confirmed it all with them yet, but they are > > interested in this idea. They want the videos on their site so they get > the > > hits and the traffic as well. > > I was thinking it might be a good compromise to have links on the > > fedoraproject.org wiki (or marketing materials) that redirected them to > a > > gurulabs page with the video > > they could play. What do you think? > > To be quite honest. I simply do not care where the video is hosted. I > care about generating content by and for the Fedora community, > preferable using the tools that we can ship. The whole point is to > stimulate further interest in unencumbered codecs and associated tools > through the generation of content that is actually useful. The Fedora > community needs to dogfood open video for its own purposes as part of > a larger goal of seeing the video formats and tools broadly adopted. > If we don't do it.. no one will. Agreed wholeheartedly... Right now the only really effective tools we have for video > distribution to get video into the hands of users in some organized > way is the gstreamer backed miro available in Fedora 9. > Flash based video simply embedded in a web browser just isn't going to > cut it yet due to a lack of support in the native flash binary for > ogg. The reliance on A/V in flash needs to be solved before we can > make use of it in the context of the larger project offerings. I've not used Miro much, but I'll start playing with it this week. > > So instead we can produce a series of rss feeds aimed at Miro and > encourage users to use miro to watch Fedora community videos. But > Fedora doesn't have to host the videos, just like Fedora's planet > doesn't host individual blogs. We can build a feed that points into > guru labs or other hosting spaces on a video by video basis. I'm sure > Red Hat Magazine will want to get in on the act too from time to time. > Though if guru labs wants to gift some hosting space that the wider > Fedora community can use, beyond what you need, to host tutorial vids > or other utility videos I'm sure our infrastructure lead can talk to > your employer about what a hosting commitment in this area can and > should look like. I know Mike has put some thought into taking > resource donations from outside entities. I think this is an excellent idea. I'll run that by them, but I think we could do a few at least to start with and see how it goes from there. Rss feeds seem like a good choice regarding linking to the actual videos. Let's start with one or two and see how many we can get into the stream. > > Video content is quite new for us. > > > What are the licensing options? I've never even looked into licensing > video. If it were > > text, > > Open Publication License would work. Does that work for video? > > It's going to be one of the more liberal CC licenses, perhaps > something as liberal as CC-BY-SA. I'm going to make an arbitrary > decision for now that for the time being people experimenting with > Fedora videos license under CC-BY-SA, with an understanding that if > the acceptable licensing changes as part of on-going discussions the > video creators are willing to relicense the works accordingly. > > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Sounds good to me, I know the CC licenses fairly well and this is a good choice IMO, though IANAL. > > > I think they'd go for a simple, 'Video hosting provided by Guru Labs (and > > they're web address)', along with text that explains we're a Linux > training > > company or something. > > I'll talk with them about these details this week and see how/if they > would > > like to seriously pursue this idea. > > We'll find a way to do something. We can probably just add a tagline > in the miro description for each video noting a hosting credit on a > case by case basis. We can just limit the tagline to some reasonable > length as a general policy bound. Sounds good, I like the idea of the tagline and hosting credit, I'll be that'll be enough. I'll see what they are willing to do. In the meantime, I'll come up with a list of a few topics we think we could get out in the next few months or so. I'm willing to try to get out one or two in the next month or so, maybe we should see how it goes with everyone else. > > > Tricky part is taking the time to do them, and to get others to take that > > time. However, I feel the time invested in these videos is worth the > effort > > for the community as a > > whole. I feel there are people who learn well by reading and others who > > learn well kinesthetically. So lets get more people involved in videos. > > > We have to start somewhere. I think the real video ninjas are out > there waiting to be discovered in the community. I think if we create > a way for them to easily share 'useful' videos through something like > miro, the right people will start stepping out of the userbase cloud > as new contributors in this new area. Don't get me wrong, it's not > going to be easy. People with real video editing experience are going > to be frustrated by the limited nature of toolset we can ship. The > editing tools we can provide are still rough. The more mature tools we > can't touch because of their direct reliance on ffmpeg which I haven't > figure out how to ship with the encumbered bits stripped out > adequately yet. We need to find the 'right' people who have an > interest in video and can impact the development of the gstreamer > based tools that we can ship and help move development forward. But > we have to do something to jumpstart the discussion around open media > formats and shippable tools instead of spending all our times wringing > our hands over our inability to support encumbered media formats. > It's time we start producing our own open content, relevent to our own > open community using our own open tools, the rest of the world be > damned! > I agree, wholeheartedly. My current problem is the lack of knowledge I have about gstreamer, and any other free video editing tools. I've heard of fluendo, which I'm guessing is proprietary, and cheese with gstreamer. What else is out there that we can use to edit ogg/theora video, and how can we make it possible to get ogg support as a whole available to embed within a browser? I mean this shouldn't be something too difficult to put into epiphany, konqueror or firefox, should it? Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 23:10:23 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:10:23 -0800 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806100008i1d87eb67scb15acd9f9e3421f@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806101033t25943eet639f48c38b8958df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806101610v224814e2v4b1bffca21984e55@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/10 Clint Savage : > I agree, wholeheartedly. My current problem is the lack of knowledge I have > about gstreamer, and any other free video editing tools. I've heard of > fluendo, which I'm guessing is proprietary, and cheese with gstreamer. What > else is out there that we can use to edit ogg/theora video, and how can we > make it possible to get ogg support as a whole available to embed within a > browser? I mean this shouldn't be something too difficult to put into > epiphany, konqueror or firefox, should it? For the time being stick with very simple video tasks that need very little video editting. if you can do it in one sitting with cheese or istanbul do it that way for now. We can also convert raw dv into compressed theora video as well out of the box if you want to work a dv camera. The pitivi application used just to convert dv to theora with no editting basically works. Though it's also possible to just create a simple shell script using gst pipelines to convert raw dv into theora, I should probably add that if someone else doesn't figure out how to do that first by adapting the audio splice script. I think there is room to build out a series of cookie cutter pipeline scripts to do common tasks once we have a group of people want to seriously poke at what gst lets you do out of the box.. but we aren't there yet. For example all the video affects that cheese does should be applicable to gst pipelines to post-process video clips. I think gst even has a series of transitional affects like screen wipes and fades that we can access via pipelines... i think. I haven't figured out how to do it yet. if you need to play with basic clip sequencing inside of an application interface you can attempt to use pitivi. My understanding there is a GSoC project related to pitivi this summer to spruce it up. 'We' should watch pitivi development very closely. Even if it doesn't change direction and turn into a pro-sumer video tool...as a light weight video sequencer and editor it may be enough for community generate content to keep content flowing for our needs. it just needs a little love to get there. I can't stop you from reaching for the more mature editting software that is ffmpeg based and available in 3rd party repositories. if your employer needs to create higher production quality videos than what you can do with the in distro tools, then you are free to do so. I had looked at kino at one point, but it does everything as raw dv. I could have stripped out the ffmpeg exporters and some optional features and gotten it into Fedora using a gst based theora exporter. But since it doesn't handle mixed source content, its not necessarily worth the effort to do. You can get a fully functional kino from 3rd party repos that deal with ffmpeg. I don't expect people to really be able to collaborate by passing raw dv files as source material. We need to be able to work with lower quality content as source to get our feet wet with working with video collaboratively. Pitivi lets you mix theora and dv together as source material. Video purists will cringe at the concept of doing that..but I'm okay with it to keep from having the hosting burden of dealing with raw dv until we have a clearer idea wtf we really want to do with collaborative video production. If kino could use theora as source material and could be shipped in such a way that ffmpeg support could be optionally added via an addon package... I would continue to work on getting kino packaged in such a way that we could offer it out of the box. But I never identified a gstreamer module which let me convert back to raw dv to use as a theora importer in kino to convert theora to raw dv..which is what kino works with internally. Again video purist will cringe at the concept...but it is what it is. ffmpeg has the ability to do this lossy conversion, but for the life of me I can't find a way to get gst to do it. I have no problems accepting appropriately licensed content in formets we support made with tools we can't ship. I understand that I have multiple competing goals for community generated video content. Dogfooding the open tools while producing high quality open content won't be achievable simultaneously for a while until the shippable tools get better. But I will make it a point to have a policy which highlight videos that are built solely using Fedora tools as the become available to encourage people to continue to dogfood and develop the tools. The landscape is not going to get better until we have an important reason to use video as a tool to help us achieve larger project goals. -jef From nayyares at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 06:09:26 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:09:26 +0200 Subject: Hello World! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30806102309q5b00df6ek77fd663e10c076d6@mail.gmail.com> Welcome Saboya ! 2008/6/10 Lucas Saboya : > My name is Lucas do Amaral Saboya I'm 18 years old and I live in the city > of Fortaleza in Brazil close to the international airport of Fortaleza > (Pinto Martins). > > For 4 years I was an webmaster of CEFETCE (Centro Federal de Educa??o > Tecnologica do Cear? - Federal Technology Center of Cear?, and in this > period, got my first contact with linux from Fedora Core 4, and now, I am > Linux System Administrator on a research project o CEFETCE and a tranee of > System Admin at the IT Departament on CEFETCE too. > > Since I started this new job @ this research project, I'm responsible for > everything about Linux here in the project and some other things, like > CD-ROM development PHP Programming and managing some servers of the IT > Department too. > > I personally use ONLY Linux for about 4 months, but spent about 3 years on > dual boot. Starting with FC4, upgraded to FC5, and FC6, and FC7, and FC8, > now I user Fedora Core 9 on my notebook, and other 15 machines, between > desktops, servers and thin clients. > Now Fedora core 9 = Fedora 9 !!! we have drop the word "core". > Also I got some experiences with Debian, Slackware and Ubuntu, but none of > those has the same taste tha Fedora do :D, besides, it's the first Open > Source OS I ever used, and never let me down with anything ! > This is the best about Fedora, it has all what you need... :p > And now, that I decided to really get envolved with these linux stuff, I've > subscribed in some linux courses, then I'll take some certifications, link > LPI levels 1 and 2 and RHCE :) > > So, I think I can help this project spreading Fedora over my city. of course we are here to support you in the cause... Cheers > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jun 11 06:35:03 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:35:03 +0300 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806101033t25943eet639f48c38b8958df@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806100008i1d87eb67scb15acd9f9e3421f@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806101033t25943eet639f48c38b8958df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <484F7217.5040209@nicubunu.ro> Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 2008/6/10 Clint Savage : >> What are the licensing options? I've never even looked into licensing video. If it were >> text, >> Open Publication License would work. Does that work for video? > > It's going to be one of the more liberal CC licenses, perhaps > something as liberal as CC-BY-SA. I'm going to make an arbitrary > decision for now that for the time being people experimenting with > Fedora videos license under CC-BY-SA, with an understanding that if > the acceptable licensing changes as part of on-going discussions the > video creators are willing to relicense the works accordingly. > > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Count me as a supporter of licensing as CC-BY-SA: it encourage others to remix our videos and also allows us to include in our videos stuff made by other people and licensed as CC-BY-SA. From all the CC licenses, it seems the only viable options are CC-BY and CC-BY-SA (the other, NC and ND are *not free*). Using a CC license could work also as a marketing vehicle, licenses as OPL are largely unknown, when people hear about something released under such license will react like "whatever, that is *some* content released under *some* license", but using CC will create more buzz. Also, we can try a collaboration with ccLiveContent (is that project still alive?) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 07:09:38 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:09:38 -0800 Subject: Screencasts - Cheese In-Reply-To: <484F7217.5040209@nicubunu.ro> References: <604aa7910806092105i5447b8fbo489f17652df17648@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806100008i1d87eb67scb15acd9f9e3421f@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806101033t25943eet639f48c38b8958df@mail.gmail.com> <484F7217.5040209@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910806110009u7a36c777v399e53a13ba81ba9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Also, we can try a collaboration with ccLiveContent (is that project still > alive?) That potential future is in my head. I want to start with utility videos like tutorial screencasts and figure out how we want to make that utility content available. Once we get that in front of users and we start getting feedback, we can start talking about the generating and hosting of more expressive content.. entertainment and editorial material. And once we start generating expressive content we can try to work some of the better content into a ccLiveContent distribution or similar. -jef From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 11 13:17:25 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:17:25 +0100 Subject: Miro - help needed Message-ID: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> OK, I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like to have a go at it? You literally only need to go to: https://www.miroguide.com/channels/submit And follow the steps through one by one. Half of information is auto-filled too from details in the feed itself. A few quick notes: The video feed file is: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml I've called the channel Fedora TV I was planning on using the vertical Fedora logo from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Urmm...that's about it! If somebody can do the web side stuff for me, then I'll happily manually maintain the feed for a while until we find a better solution. From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 11 13:19:10 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:19:10 +0100 Subject: Miro - help please Message-ID: <1213190350.3069.23.camel@adam> OK, I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like to have a go at it? You literally only need to go to: https://www.miroguide.com/channels/submit And follow the steps through one by one. Half of information is auto-filled too from details in the feed itself. A few quick notes: The video feed file is: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml I've called the channel Fedora TV I was planning on using the vertical Fedora logo from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Urmm...that's about it! If somebody can do the web side stuff for me, then I'll happily manually maintain the feed for a while until we find a better solution. From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jun 11 13:23:55 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Miro - help needed In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll take this on right now. Since you can't possibly have made it any easier for me. :) --g On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > OK, > > I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball > rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople > space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. > > But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on > to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like > to have a go at it? > > You literally only need to go to: > > https://www.miroguide.com/channels/submit > > And follow the steps through one by one. Half of information is > auto-filled too from details in the feed itself. A few quick notes: > > The video feed file is: > > http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml > > I've called the channel Fedora TV > > I was planning on using the vertical Fedora logo from > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > > Urmm...that's about it! If somebody can do the web side stuff for me, > then I'll happily manually maintain the feed for a while until we find a > better solution. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gdk at redhat.com Wed Jun 11 13:35:10 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Miro - help please In-Reply-To: <1213190350.3069.23.camel@adam> References: <1213190350.3069.23.camel@adam> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > OK, > > I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball > rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople > space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. > > But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on > to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like > to have a go at it? I'm in the middle of submission right now, and it just returned an Internal Service Error. So I'll ping the admin and see if I can figure it out. --g From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 11 13:51:42 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:51:42 +0100 Subject: Miro - help please In-Reply-To: References: <1213190350.3069.23.camel@adam> Message-ID: <1213192302.10545.0.camel@adam> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 09:35 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > OK, > > > > I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball > > rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople > > space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. > > > > But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on > > to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like > > to have a go at it? > > I'm in the middle of submission right now, and it just returned an > Internal Service Error. So I'll ping the admin and see if I can figure it > out. Ah, so not just me then :) Thanks Greg! Jon From lucas at cefetce.br Wed Jun 11 14:17:56 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:17:56 -0300 Subject: Miro - help needed In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ON IT NOW :D On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > OK, > > I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball > rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople > space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. > > But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on > to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like > to have a go at it? > > You literally only need to go to: > > https://www.miroguide.com/channels/submit > > And follow the steps through one by one. Half of information is > auto-filled too from details in the feed itself. A few quick notes: > > The video feed file is: > > http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml > > I've called the channel Fedora TV > > I was planning on using the vertical Fedora logo from > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > > Urmm...that's about it! If somebody can do the web side stuff for me, > then I'll happily manually maintain the feed for a while until we find a > better solution. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. 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More information about this error may be available in the server error log. ------------------------------ Apache/2.2.6 (Fedora) Server at www.miroguide.com Port 80 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Lucas Saboya wrote: > ON IT NOW :D > > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Jonathan Roberts < > jonrob at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> OK, >> >> I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball >> rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople >> space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. >> >> But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on >> to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like >> to have a go at it? >> >> You literally only need to go to: >> >> https://www.miroguide.com/channels/submit >> >> And follow the steps through one by one. Half of information is >> auto-filled too from details in the feed itself. A few quick notes: >> >> The video feed file is: >> >> http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml >> >> I've called the channel Fedora TV >> >> I was planning on using the vertical Fedora logo from >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines >> >> Urmm...that's about it! If somebody can do the web side stuff for me, >> then I'll happily manually maintain the feed for a while until we find a >> better solution. >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And another missing software would combine Skype-like tools with a tool for Virtual Conventions/Meetings. This will be very useful in the future. This concept will make Fedora unique and more useful than all of the other Linux Distros available now. The "fedoraLife" suite won't be included in the Core installation, instead the suite or any of the components can be downloaded off the internet via Anaconda installer. Eventually, the "Everything" Spin will include the entire suite. Fedora has a bright future, don't squander it... The Concept PDF is available for downloading on my linux blog... Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Jun 11 20:49:33 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:49:33 +0200 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: >> I'm volunteering to make beginners "How to use Fedora" videos. Just >> where to send my theora videos. I plan to make them dual language >> (english and croatian). > > We do not have a place dedicated to host videos. For now, you can > keep short videos in your people.fedoraproject.org space. > > As a first cut at organizing the videos, I imagine we could do > something similar to what we are doing now with the planet and have > individuals with videos create a short formatted file which describes > the videos they are making available and harvest that information from > people.fedoraproject.org and generate the appropriate miro feed > putting all the videos together. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Hi, I hope you like these screencasts I made. Fists I need to tell you that English is not my primary language (that will soon be obvious to you), I recoded these 3 short screencasts for over 3 hours because it is much harder to make an English screencast for non-english people. I also probably sound tired becase I did with lots of tries and I got tired from it. This is my first attempt at making Fedora screencasts and I hope to rafine them. Especially I hope to work on text and my pronunciation. These are not the final ones that I hope to "release into the wild" :) Please give me all and any comments and suggestions you have. I'll also make these in Croatian (my language). Cheers, Valent (Croatian Ambassador). https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:ValentTurkovic http://valent.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/ -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 00:14:13 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:14:13 -0800 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, I hope you like these screencasts I made. > > Fists I need to tell you that English is not my primary language (that > will soon be obvious to you), I can't expect everyone who has the ability to make video to be able to do English audio. We are going to have to work out a means of providing a text transcript that can be translated and from which additional audio tracks can be created based on that translation. I've updated av-splice script to work with gst 0.10 and placed it on the screencasting page. I'll make you a deal. If you are willing to experiment with native language videos and written transcripts I'll provide an English audio track to replace the a Croatian audio track. If you want to, please pick the tutorial subject you like best and produce a native language audio theora and provide a rough english translation transcript as text. Make sure the transscript includes timestamps indicated when each of the sentences should start. I will then use the written transcript and create an English audio track that can replace the Croatian track. I'll even do a screencast of me doing it! -jef From duvelle.jones at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 01:03:37 2008 From: duvelle.jones at gmail.com (Duvelle Jones) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:03:37 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ok, the first thing that I mention here is that fedora is a very different kind of monster than that of Mac OS X/10.x. That said, the fedora project doesn't need to completely go down the path that Apple Inc. has. As you said that in the document, Ubuntu seems to content to fill that hole. I think that it would be best left to them. Second, in an odd way of thinking.... This has already happened, sort of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the distribution to build something that you here have coined 'fedoraLife'. Now admiringly, the tools and applications found in Art Studio are not all geared for ease-of-use like Ubuntu Studio or the iLife suite. I will also admit that Art Studio was announced a while ago, but has yet to produce a ISO. They need help, you might consider helping them since you are on a similar frame of thought. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 12:46 -0400, Markus McLaughlin wrote: > What Apple does for its OS is what Fedora should also do. Which is a > collection of additional optional software that can do multimedia and > enhance existing technologies. The "fedoraLife" Concept is several > visuals accompanied by descriptions that will inspire many Fedora > programmers to come up with programs that is missing in Fedora. What > is missing in Fedora? Well, to begin with, there is no iPhoto-like > software to view photos in a photo album-like setting. Another > missing software is an iMovie-like application that edits video and > audio from a digital source using OGG Theora or some other video > codec. Another missing software is a Toast-like GUI that uses the > already existing dvd/cd burning tools. And another missing software > would combine Skype-like tools with a tool for Virtual > Conventions/Meetings. This will be very useful in the future. This > concept will make Fedora unique and more useful than all of the other > Linux Distros available now. The "fedoraLife" suite won't be included > in the Core installation, instead the suite or any of the components > can be downloaded off the internet via Anaconda installer. > Eventually, the "Everything" Spin will include the entire suite. > Fedora has a bright future, don't squander it... > > > The Concept PDF is available for downloading on my linux blog... > > > Mark McLaughlin > linuxglobe.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA, USA > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 01:57:48 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:57:48 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4850829C.2000005@fedoraproject.org> Duvelle Jones wrote: > Second, in an odd way of thinking.... This has already happened, sort > of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the > distribution to build something that you here have coined 'fedoraLife'. > Now admiringly, the tools and applications found in Art Studio are not > all geared for ease-of-use like Ubuntu Studio or the iLife suite. Wait a minute. How is Ubuntu Studio geared for ease-of-use? ~m From duvelle.jones at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 03:06:47 2008 From: duvelle.jones at gmail.com (Duvelle Jones) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:06:47 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <4850829C.2000005@fedoraproject.org> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850829C.2000005@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1213240007.11171.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'll be honest, I am not sure... Ubuntu is known for more polish than most distro's, so I am going mostly by what I have seen and heard. Doesn't mean that it's true. On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 21:57 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Duvelle Jones wrote: > > Second, in an odd way of thinking.... This has already happened, sort > > of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the > > distribution to build something that you here have coined 'fedoraLife'. > > Now admiringly, the tools and applications found in Art Studio are not > > all geared for ease-of-use like Ubuntu Studio or the iLife suite. > > Wait a minute. How is Ubuntu Studio geared for ease-of-use? > > ~m > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 03:20:23 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:20:23 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <1213240007.11171.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850829C.2000005@fedoraproject.org> <1213240007.11171.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <485095F7.9040805@fedoraproject.org> Duvelle Jones wrote: > I'll be honest, I am not sure... Ubuntu is known for more polish than > most distro's, so I am going mostly by what I have seen and heard. > Doesn't mean that it's true. It's all smoke and mirrors. I think what Markus is getting at is that we need to develop that perception of usability and user-friendliness in our marketing materials. Somehow Ubuntu has managed to do this without honestly doing much of actual utility in the distro itself. ~m From duvelle.jones at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 03:36:54 2008 From: duvelle.jones at gmail.com (Duvelle Jones) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:36:54 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <485095F7.9040805@fedoraproject.org> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850829C.2000005@fedoraproject.org> <1213240007.11171.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <485095F7.9040805@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1213241814.11171.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> That would be somewhat hard to do, with fedora anyway. On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 23:20 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > It's all smoke and mirrors. I think what Markus is getting at is that we > need to develop that perception of usability and user-friendliness in > our marketing materials. Somehow Ubuntu has managed to do this without > honestly doing much of actual utility in the distro itself. > > ~m > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 03:52:52 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:52:52 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <1213241814.11171.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850829C.2000005@fedoraproject.org> <1213240007.11171.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <485095F7.9040805@fedoraproject.org> <1213241814.11171.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48509D94.1010000@fedoraproject.org> Duvelle Jones wrote: > That would be somewhat hard to do, with fedora anyway. Why would that be difficult to do if Ubuntu was able to do it? I don't understand. ~m From duvelle.jones at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 04:00:51 2008 From: duvelle.jones at gmail.com (Duvelle Jones) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:00:51 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <48509D94.1010000@fedoraproject.org> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850829C.2000005@fedoraproject.org> <1213240007.11171.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <485095F7.9040805@fedoraproject.org> <1213241814.11171.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48509D94.1010000@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1213243251.11171.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just that we would be up against Fedora's ever so changing perception and at the moment, ?"usability and user-friendliness" seems somewhat off that perception. That doesn't mean that we aren't, hell there is much in fedora that would turn that perception on it's head. But as with Red Hat, our own enemy would be ourselves and changing how people think when the Fedora Project. On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 23:52 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Duvelle Jones wrote: > > That would be somewhat hard to do, with fedora anyway. > > Why would that be difficult to do if Ubuntu was able to do it? I don't > understand. > > ~m > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 05:43:17 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:43:17 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <1213243251.11171.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850829C.2000005@fedoraproject.org> <1213240007.11171.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <485095F7.9040805@fedoraproject.org> <1213241814.11171.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48509D94.1010000@fedoraproject.org> <1213243251.11171.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4850B775.305@fedoraproject.org> Duvelle Jones wrote: > Just that we would be up against Fedora's ever so changing perception > and at the moment, ?"usability and user-friendliness" seems somewhat off > that perception. - How can you say Fedora's perception is 'ever so changing'? What is that statement based on? - How do you see Fedora's perception? How is it not related to usability and user-friendliness? > That doesn't mean that we aren't, hell there is much in fedora that > would turn that perception on it's head. But as with Red Hat, our own > enemy would be ourselves and changing how people think when the Fedora > Project. - How is Red Hat it's own enemy? What are you talking about? I guess I am most concerned about: - What Fedora actually *IS* - How we market Fedora for people's perceptions of it to be more fully in-line with what is actually *IS* and what we are striving for it to become. And I'm really interested in your ideas on the latter, especially. ~m From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jun 12 05:50:33 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:50:33 +0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> Duvelle Jones wrote: > Ok, the first thing that I mention here is that fedora is a very > different kind of monster than that of Mac OS X/10.x. That said, the > fedora project doesn't need to completely go down the path that Apple > Inc. has. As you said that in the document, Ubuntu seems to content to > fill that hole. I think that it would be best left to them. And you suggest we should stop trying? > Second, in an odd way of thinking.... This has already happened, sort > of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the > distribution to build something that you here have coined 'fedoraLife'. The Art Studio spin is currently on hold. Help needed. > Now admiringly, the tools and applications found in Art Studio are not > all geared for ease-of-use like Ubuntu Studio or the iLife suite. I will Since both Fedora and Ubuntu have access to the same upstream FOSS applications, there is no reason we can't produce something comparable. Note: judging the screenshots, I find Ubuntu Studio looking horrendous and I hope we will not take the same path. > also admit that Art Studio was announced a while ago, but has yet to > produce a ISO. They need help, you might consider helping them since you > are on a similar frame of thought. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From hellcomdev at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 06:31:06 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:31:06 -0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> Hi, i think that the problem is not inside the product *(fedora) but inside some minds...there are some people inside the project fedora *(here in my country i can see it every day in some ambassadors and other members of the project), they just say : "Fedora is not for everyone cause we don't wanna be baby seeter of nuggets, or help then to play mp3 or install a proprietary driver etc". We need bring "Re-humanizer" the project if of course we want people that use ubuntu today. Second, in an odd way of thinking.... This has already happened, sort > of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the > distribution to build something that you here have coined 'fedoraLife'. > The Art Studio spin is currently on hold. Help needed. Well, i wanna help with it, i have a lot of experience with computer graphics made with free software , how i can help? is there a link to the sub project? can i bring more people to help? Best regards. Razgriz. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 06:47:34 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:47:34 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> hi RazGriz, RazGriz wrote: > Hi, i think that the problem is not inside the product *(fedora) but > inside some minds...there are some people inside the project fedora > *(here in my country i can see it every day in some ambassadors and > other members of the project), they just say : "Fedora is not for > everyone cause we don't wanna be baby seeter of nuggets, or help then to > play mp3 or install a proprietary driver etc". We need bring > "Re-humanizer" the project if of course we want people that use ubuntu > today. First of all, you told me that you think the problem is not in the product, but instead the problem is in people's minds. Then you talked about how Fedora does not have mp3 patents and proprietary drivers. The omissions of that software are very much fundamental to Fedora's purpose and philosophy, and they are very much a part of what Fedora *IS*. We won't be adding that software anytime soon. I really would prefer us to *not* talk about changing what Fedora is here. I would rather we talk about how we can best market Fedora as it is. Having a truly free operating system really is not mutually exclusive with having a usable operating system. There is nothing about being free and doing the right thing that means life must be hard. People perceive it as being such. How can we change people's perceptions of Fedora's freedom so that they are less afraid of it? Again, let's not change Fedora, please! > Second, in an odd way of thinking.... This has already happened, sort > of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the > distribution to build something that you here have coined 'fedoraLife'. > > > The Art Studio spin is currently on hold. Help needed. > > Well, i wanna help with it, i have a lot of experience with computer > graphics made with free software , how i can help? is there a link to > the sub project? can i bring more people to help? Duvelle provided a link earlier in the thread. I will re-post it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio I would love if you would be willing to help with this spin. I built a ks file for the spin a long time ago, it probably sucks and needs some modifications, but it is here: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b7/Artwork_ArtTeamProjects_FedoraArtStudio_artstudio-ks-oct_6_2007.cfg You will also need to add the following packages to it: * gimp-lqr-plugin * gimp-resynthesizer * ufraw-gimp * nip2 * GREYCstoration-gimp * mathmap We could also use some help getting fonts packaged up for Fedora so they can be included in the Art Studio spin. There is a list of appropriately-licensed fonts only needing packagers here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Triaging/Pipeline/WishList You can absolutely bring more people to help - we need all the help we can get! Thanks! ~m From hellcomdev at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 07:13:44 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:13:44 -0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> Hi, i agree with you, i just said their words, we don't need add this things to the core, we need change the way that we use to deal with the common user =], they just don't know nothing about the real freedom of choice and most of then just don't wanna learn anything about it, but we still can take then showing our stuff whitout proprietary packages, cause the most important thing for this people is not software, but yes what it can do, if it can bring new and good computational experiences etc =] . I think that we already make it but only with the ambassadors, its time to the developers, artwork*(i am parte of this team inside my country) and marketing directly move their actions to this goal, fedora is not just a system of another free software to me, fedora is a way of life and i am very proud of it. Fedora art-studio : I made an wall paper to start my engines, can i show it 4 you? If yes, where i can do this? best regards Razgriz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 07:15:05 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:15:05 +0200 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300806120015n691ac693hf8983662cb6d890c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: >> Hi, I hope you like these screencasts I made. >> >> Fists I need to tell you that English is not my primary language (that >> will soon be obvious to you), > > I can't expect everyone who has the ability to make video to be able > to do English audio. We are going to have to work out a means of > providing a text transcript that can be translated and from which > additional audio tracks can be created based on that translation. > I've updated av-splice script to work with gst 0.10 and placed it on > the screencasting page. > > I'll make you a deal. If you are willing to experiment with native > language videos and written transcripts I'll provide an English audio > track to replace the a Croatian audio track. If you want to, please > pick the tutorial subject you like best and produce a native language > audio theora and provide a rough english translation transcript as > text. Make sure the transscript includes timestamps indicated when > each of the sentences should start. I will then use the written > transcript and create an English audio track that can replace the > Croatian track. I'll even do a screencast of me doing it! > > -jef I accept! Let's do it. Can you please comment on my current screencasts, do you feel that these basic tutorials are needed. Is it better for this project that me and other contributors better use their energy in making screencasts of some "higher" fedora features or is it ok to start from the beginning. I believe that some people would benefit with explanation of atleast what are the elements od the desktop they are seeing (GNOME) and then take it from there do to more advanced things. Cheers, Valent . -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 07:20:46 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:20:46 +0200 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300806120020k58837304q1719dabdc72f386e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: >> Hi, I hope you like these screencasts I made. >> >> Fists I need to tell you that English is not my primary language (that >> will soon be obvious to you), > > I can't expect everyone who has the ability to make video to be able > to do English audio. We are going to have to work out a means of > providing a text transcript that can be translated and from which > additional audio tracks can be created based on that translation. > I've updated av-splice script to work with gst 0.10 and placed it on > the screencasting page. > > I'll make you a deal. If you are willing to experiment with native > language videos and written transcripts I'll provide an English audio > track to replace the a Croatian audio track. If you want to, please > pick the tutorial subject you like best and produce a native language > audio theora and provide a rough english translation transcript as > text. Make sure the transscript includes timestamps indicated when > each of the sentences should start. I will then use the written > transcript and create an English audio track that can replace the > Croatian track. I'll even do a screencast of me doing it! > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > I remembered this RFE that I made some time ago: RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do :) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171 Could this screencast project merge with that so that it becomes a Fedora 10 feature? If there is little space on the Live CD on the DVD there could be free space, right? On Live CD there could be just one or two videos and the rest could be URL's to online videos (fedoratv?) or a script that setup Miro with the right rss channel. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jun 12 07:31:30 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:31:30 +0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4850D0D2.2000702@nicubunu.ro> M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > RazGriz wrote: >> Hi, i think that the problem is not inside the product *(fedora) but >> inside some minds...there are some people inside the project fedora >> *(here in my country i can see it every day in some ambassadors and >> other members of the project), they just say : "Fedora is not for >> everyone cause we don't wanna be baby seeter of nuggets, or help then >> to play mp3 or install a proprietary driver etc". We need bring >> "Re-humanizer" the project if of course we want people that use ubuntu >> today. Well, I for one cannot comprehend this: I personally know people who are Fedora Ambassadors but use Ubuntu on their personal computers (thats is, when not using Windows). Why? Why aren't they Ubuntu Ambassadors instead? But this is orthogonal to our topic. > First of all, you told me that you think the problem is not in the > product, but instead the problem is in people's minds. Then you talked > about how Fedora does not have mp3 patents and proprietary drivers. The > omissions of that software are very much fundamental to Fedora's purpose > and philosophy, and they are very much a part of what Fedora *IS*. We > won't be adding that software anytime soon. The sad fact is that *a lot* of people do not care about the *freedom* part. They just want something *gratis*. Here is a good read about this: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3733286 > I really would prefer us to *not* talk about changing what Fedora is > here. I would rather we talk about how we can best market Fedora as it is. > > Having a truly free operating system really is not mutually exclusive > with having a usable operating system. There is nothing about being free > and doing the right thing that means life must be hard. People perceive > it as being such. How can we change people's perceptions of Fedora's > freedom so that they are less afraid of it? But we also should understand there are some thing we cannot have (in the near future or ever). But those can be seen as niches. > Again, let's not change Fedora, please! +1 >> Second, in an odd way of thinking.... This has already happened, sort >> of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the >> distribution to build something that you here have coined >> 'fedoraLife'. >> >> >> The Art Studio spin is currently on hold. Help needed. >> >> Well, i wanna help with it, i have a lot of experience with computer >> graphics made with free software , how i can help? is there a link to >> the sub project? can i bring more people to help? The most needed thing right now is packaging. > Duvelle provided a link earlier in the thread. I will re-post it: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio Duvelle, Raz, Mo: let's take this on the Art list, where is the right place... > I would love if you would be willing to help with this spin. I built a > ks file for the spin a long time ago, it probably sucks and needs some > modifications, but it is here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b7/Artwork_ArtTeamProjects_FedoraArtStudio_artstudio-ks-oct_6_2007.cfg > > > You will also need to add the following packages to it: > * gimp-lqr-plugin > * gimp-resynthesizer > * ufraw-gimp > * nip2 > * GREYCstoration-gimp > * mathmap > > We could also use some help getting fonts packaged up for Fedora so they > can be included in the Art Studio spin. There is a list of > appropriately-licensed fonts only needing packagers here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Triaging/Pipeline/WishList > > You can absolutely bring more people to help - we need all the help we > can get! -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 07:37:01 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:37:01 -0400 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4850D21D.8060502@fedoraproject.org> RazGriz wrote: > Hi, i agree with you, i just said their words, we don't need add this > things to the core, we need change the way that we use to deal with the > common user =], they just don't know nothing about the real freedom of > choice and most of then just don't wanna learn anything about it, but we > still can take then showing our stuff whitout proprietary packages, > cause the most important thing for this people is not software, but yes > what it can do, if it can bring new and good computational experiences > etc =] . I think that we already make it but only with the ambassadors, > its time to the developers, artwork*(i am parte of this team inside my > country) and marketing directly move their actions to this goal, fedora > is not just a system of another free software to me, fedora is a way of > life and i am very proud of it. Sweet, we are on the same page then. Awesome :) One way I think is a good way to help change these perceptions is to make really cool stuff with Fedora and free tools, and then show it off. For example, I end up showing a lot of the graphics I've worked on to a lot of people, so I always make a point to let them know the graphics were made with Inkscape, Gimp, and/or Scribus. If we can make high-quality things using Fedora then people will see what Fedora can really do. And they will have solid proof, not just a perception or an idea based on what someone else told them. > > Fedora art-studio : I made an wall paper to start my engines, can i show > it 4 you? If yes, where i can do this? Sure, fedora-art-list at redhat.com is a good place. I don't know if we are going to be theming the art studio any differently than main Fedora at this point though. The biggest concern right now is to get an ISO built. If you are not so interested in building, you could help us pick out software to include in the Art Studio: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest Or you could help us find free fonts to include. The open font library is a good place to look. There's other places too like smashingmagazine.com usually has articles about new free fonts. Do note that to be included in Fedora the fonts must be free, so the fonts you propose to include must be under a license that is acceptable for inclusion in Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/LicensingGuidelines Sometimes, though, if you can get in touch with the font creator, they may be willing to relicense the font for us. The best license I think to ask them to license the font under is under the Open Font License. Add any acceptable fonts you find to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist You could also pick out open clip art we could include in the Spin: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Clipart Or templates, plugins, brushes, textures, palettes (colorlovers.com is a good site to go to find cool color palettes. You could easily build a set of gimp palette files from there) ~m From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 12:46:49 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:46:49 -0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <4850D21D.8060502@fedoraproject.org> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> <4850D21D.8060502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <67d66b7b0806120546t646e8689ya9ca82da30fba280@mail.gmail.com> Hi M?ir?n Duffy "I always make point you let them know the graphics were made with Inkscape, Gimp, and/or Scribus. " +1 To say a little on that free tools had been used to develop a promocional work, or same of spreading of Fedora Linux is really important. Recently the Project Fedora Brazil launch the second edition of the Magazine Fedora Brazil (http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista), in which we use softwares Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus and OpenOffice. In some workshops that we are carrying through in the Brazil, we are presenting the magazine and, beyond saying which softwares exempts had been used in its confection, also we teach to install, and to use these softwares in Fedora 8 and 9 (Sulphur). In third edition of the magazine, we go to start presenting the first used tool in the production of the magazine, the Inkscape. In the next, will be presented the other graphical tools. We understand that it is not only enough to create a site, one wiki, one spin, or exactly to only deliver in the hand of the user a copy of Fedora Linux and to say, good luck! It is important that any created thing to divulge Fedora mainly and what is possible to produce with it, comes with an attached important differential: education and learning. Voice and Practical. In this way, the final users, lose the fear to try Fedora Linux, and develop a curiosity for Fedora, uncontrollable. Becoming true hungry for Fedora. "If we can make high-quality things using Fedora then people will see what Fedora can really of." +1 If the FedoraArtStudio spin will be reanimated , we can promote it, still this year through some simultaneous events in the world. I and Razgriz am organizing scene that could well be used for this objective, that is the "FedoArt" event, here in the Brazil. If somebody to want more information can enter in contact with me. "And they will have solid proof, not just perception or an idea based on what someone else told them." +1 The people need to see to believe. To speak or only to hear is not enough. Is necessary to unite practical and voice and. ; -) Hugs Erick Goes ArtTeam - Magazine Fedora Brazil Project Fedora Brazil -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 12:52:08 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:52:08 -0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <67d66b7b0806120546t646e8689ya9ca82da30fba280@mail.gmail.com> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> <4850D21D.8060502@fedoraproject.org> <67d66b7b0806120546t646e8689ya9ca82da30fba280@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67d66b7b0806120552o31a75036lb957bb61001ce5d9@mail.gmail.com> Sorry The name of the event is " FedorArt". Hugs Erick Goes On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Erick Henrique wrote: > Hi M?ir?n Duffy > > "I always make point you let them know the graphics were made with > Inkscape, Gimp, and/or Scribus. " > > +1 > > To say a little on that free tools had been used to develop a > promocional work, or same of spreading of Fedora Linux is really > important. Recently the Project Fedora Brazil launch the second > edition of the Magazine Fedora Brazil > (http://www.projetofedora.org/Revista), in which we use softwares > Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus and OpenOffice. In some workshops that we are > carrying through in the Brazil, we are presenting the magazine and, > beyond saying which softwares exempts had been used in its confection, > also we teach to install, and to use these softwares in Fedora 8 and 9 > (Sulphur). In third edition of the magazine, we go to start presenting > the first used tool in the production of the magazine, the Inkscape. > In the next, will be presented the other graphical tools. > > We understand that it is not only enough to create a site, one wiki, > one spin, or exactly to only deliver in the hand of the user a copy of > Fedora Linux and to say, good luck! > > It is important that any created thing to divulge Fedora mainly and > what is possible to produce with it, comes with an attached important > differential: education and learning. Voice and Practical. > > In this way, the final users, lose the fear to try Fedora Linux, and > develop a curiosity for Fedora, uncontrollable. Becoming true hungry > for Fedora. > > "If we can make high-quality things using Fedora then people will see > what Fedora can really of." > > +1 > > If the FedoraArtStudio spin will be reanimated , we can promote it, > still this year through some simultaneous events in the world. I and > Razgriz am organizing scene that could well be used for this > objective, that is the "FedoArt" event, here in the Brazil. If > somebody to want more information can enter in contact with me. > > "And they will have solid proof, not just perception or an idea based > on what someone else told them." > +1 > > The people need to see to believe. To speak or only to hear is not > enough. Is necessary to unite practical and voice and. ; -) > > > Hugs > > Erick Goes > ArtTeam - Magazine Fedora Brazil > Project Fedora Brazil > > -- > http://www.projetofedora.org > http://www.mytoons.com/br4in > *********************************************** > DESIGN LIVRE > > *********************************************** > <> > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 13:30:33 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:30:33 -0600 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <64b14b300806120020k58837304q1719dabdc72f386e@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806120020k58837304q1719dabdc72f386e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I remembered this RFE that I made some time ago: > RFE: Add desktop folder with examples of what "fedora thing" can do :) > - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=315171 > > Could this screencast project merge with that so that it becomes a > Fedora 10 feature? If there is little space on the Live CD on the DVD > there could be free space, right? On Live CD there could be just one > or two videos and the rest could be URL's to online videos (fedoratv?) > or a script that setup Miro with the right rss channel. > > Valent, I think that's a great idea. Get a couple, small screencasts right near the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot. Besides, these videos are pretty small. What's a few megabytes between friends? Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rahul From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jun 12 13:35:47 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <48512590.3000407@fedoraproject.org> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806120020k58837304q1719dabdc72f386e@mail.gmail.com> <48512590.3000407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Clint Savage wrote: > >> >> I think that's a great idea. Get a couple, small screencasts right near >> the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot. Besides, these videos are pretty >> small. What's a few megabytes between friends? > > Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which applications > to remove. Someone should be working on a minimal RPM set suitable as a base for single-function live images. --g From hellcomdev at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 14:01:47 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:01:47 -0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <67d66b7b0806120552o31a75036lb957bb61001ce5d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> <4850D21D.8060502@fedoraproject.org> <67d66b7b0806120546t646e8689ya9ca82da30fba280@mail.gmail.com> <67d66b7b0806120552o31a75036lb957bb61001ce5d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f0d49220806120701m38d9d85bh2bc7f682f55f569a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, well...here in my country people know me cause i am a document writer *(yes, i make documents about computer graphics with free software since 2005 =]), then i proposed to Erick take our work and make an little event with this stuff, i think that it can work =]. About F-art studio i will subscripe in this list right now but, i am not a member of the international artwork team, is there any problems with it ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 14:04:05 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:34:05 +0530 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <1f0d49220806120701m38d9d85bh2bc7f682f55f569a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> <4850D21D.8060502@fedoraproject.org> <67d66b7b0806120546t646e8689ya9ca82da30fba280@mail.gmail.com> <67d66b7b0806120552o31a75036lb957bb61001ce5d9@mail.gmail.com> <1f0d49220806120701m38d9d85bh2bc7f682f55f569a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48512CD5.20105@fedoraproject.org> RazGriz wrote: > Hi, > well...here in my country people know me cause i am a document writer > *(yes, i make documents about computer graphics with free software since > 2005 =]), then i proposed to Erick take our work and make an little > event with this stuff, i think that it can work =]. > > About F-art studio i will subscripe in this list right now but, i am not > a member of the international artwork team, is there any problems with it ? Nope. The list is open to everyone and everyone is welcome to contribute. Rahul From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jun 12 14:13:17 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:13:17 +0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <48512CD5.20105@fedoraproject.org> References: <1213232617.10764.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4850B929.2060905@nicubunu.ro> <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> <4850D21D.8060502@fedoraproject.org> <67d66b7b0806120546t646e8689ya9ca82da30fba280@mail.gmail.com> <67d66b7b0806120552o31a75036lb957bb61001ce5d9@mail.gmail.com> <1f0d49220806120701m38d9d85bh2bc7f682f55f569a@mail.gmail.com> <48512CD5.20105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48512EFD.2010502@nicubunu.ro> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > RazGriz wrote: >> >> About F-art studio i will subscripe in this list right now but, i am >> not a member of the international artwork team, is there any problems >> with it ? > > Nope. The list is open to everyone and everyone is welcome to contribute. As Rahul said, the list is open to everyone. But aren't you interested in being a member of the team? He have a lot of open taks and could use some more contributors :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Thu Jun 12 14:22:59 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:22:59 +0300 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806120020k58837304q1719dabdc72f386e@mail.gmail.com> <48512590.3000407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <48513143.4070509@nicubunu.ro> Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Clint Savage wrote: >> >>> >>> I think that's a great idea. Get a couple, small screencasts right >>> near the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot. Besides, these videos are >>> pretty small. What's a few megabytes between friends? >> >> Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which >> applications to remove. > > Someone should be working on a minimal RPM set suitable as a base for > single-function live images. But I thought the idea is to put those few and small videos on the most used spin (Desktop Live CD?) to let the hordes of users know about our multimedia capabilities. And another disk is something like CCLiveContent, with a minimal RPM set and as much content crammed inside as possible. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From hellcomdev at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 14:26:17 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:26:17 -0300 Subject: Announcing the "fedoraLife" Concept! In-Reply-To: <48512EFD.2010502@nicubunu.ro> References: <1f0d49220806112331r30c46da3p9006ad57699b80bf@mail.gmail.com> <4850C686.80800@fedoraproject.org> <1f0d49220806120013m296e7fb6i4ae946c5b811c057@mail.gmail.com> <4850D21D.8060502@fedoraproject.org> <67d66b7b0806120546t646e8689ya9ca82da30fba280@mail.gmail.com> <67d66b7b0806120552o31a75036lb957bb61001ce5d9@mail.gmail.com> <1f0d49220806120701m38d9d85bh2bc7f682f55f569a@mail.gmail.com> <48512CD5.20105@fedoraproject.org> <48512EFD.2010502@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <1f0d49220806120726p2b25b370g355131b21601eb93@mail.gmail.com> Hi, yes! Let me do it now On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> RazGriz wrote: >> >>> >>> About F-art studio i will subscripe in this list right now but, i am not >>> a member of the international artwork team, is there any problems with it ? >>> >> >> Nope. The list is open to everyone and everyone is welcome to contribute. >> > > As Rahul said, the list is open to everyone. > But aren't you interested in being a member of the team? He have a lot of > open taks and could use some more contributors :p > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- RazGriz The Solo_-Wing. Diretor de Arte GNU-LIA--=www.gnu-lia.org 2 Tons Comunica??o Revista Fedora Brasil Portal O-Gimp -=-=:Quem constr?i a realidade ? voc?. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get a couple, small screencasts right near >>>> the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot. Besides, these videos are pretty small. >>>> What's a few megabytes between friends? >>>> >>> >>> Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which >>> applications to remove. >>> >> >> Someone should be working on a minimal RPM set suitable as a base for >> single-function live images. >> > > But I thought the idea is to put those few and small videos on the most > used spin (Desktop Live CD?) to let the hordes of users know about our > multimedia capabilities. > I agree with Nicu on this. I think there's reason to justify something like 5-10 MB on a LiveCD to give a good intro to Fedora. I did the cheese demo and it was actually pretty hefty, but most of the ones that Paul did were no more than 5MB. I suppose we'd be going right to the end of the CD and have to remove *one* thing. What if this was on the install DVD to start? 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Maybe having Miro > installed in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel > preloaded? I like this idea. Corresponding with Miro devs now to figure out why our attempts to upload feeds have been breaking. --g From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jun 12 17:10:50 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Miro channel successfully created! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I got in touch with their devs, and there was some funkiness about their uploads to S3. But all is good now; the channel exists. Go to: https://www.miroguide.com/channels/6891 And check it out. Paul sounds so pimp. ;) --g On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > OK, > > I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball > rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople > space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. > > But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on > to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like > to have a go at it? > > You literally only need to go to: > > https://www.miroguide.com/channels/submit > > And follow the steps through one by one. Half of information is > auto-filled too from details in the feed itself. A few quick notes: > > The video feed file is: > > http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml > > I've called the channel Fedora TV > > I was planning on using the vertical Fedora logo from > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines > > Urmm...that's about it! If somebody can do the web side stuff for me, > then I'll happily manually maintain the feed for a while until we find a > better solution. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jun 12 17:17:44 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Meeting reminder: Fedora marketing meeting Message-ID: 3pm Eastern US, 1900 GMT. Agenda, as usual: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks See you all in about 1.5 hrs. --g From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 18:30:52 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:30:52 -0400 Subject: Flyers for FUDCon BOS 2008? In-Reply-To: <484EACCA.30303@gmx.com> References: <1212760302.9688.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1213106764.3305.36.camel@victoria> <484EACCA.30303@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1213295452.18352.26.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 12:33 -0400, linux-Hawk wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:51 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > > > A local university I have contacts with are asking about flyers to put > > > up around the university advertising the upcoming FUDCon event. Mo has > > > offered to create some from her templates, but she needs content to put > > > in it. Can ya'll work up some content regarding the event for her? > > > > > > > Has anyone picked up the task of providing this content? Here's > > something I wrote for the Summit folks for their daily event newspaper. > > > > NOTE: Not all of this is going to be relevant in the context of a > > university flier. I trust people's good judgment to adapt it > > properly. :-) > > > > ''' > > FUDCon at the Summit > > > > While Red Hat executives, developers, partners, and customers are > > rubbing elbows at the Summit, there's a whole additional event going on > > simultaneously. You'll find the Fedora community hard at work, > > brainstorming, planning, and hacking on the future of our free, leading > > edge, community supported platform. From Thursday to Saturday, we're > > holding a Fedora Users and Developers Conference (FUDCon) here in > > Boston. > > > > Thursday and Friday we'll be here in the Hynes Center on the third > > floor, holding all-day ?hackathon? sessions extending over many > > workgroups in several rooms in the FUDCon space. You can stop by, > > introduce yourself, and meet world-class developers, designers, and > > system administrators. Ask about the features or platform enhancements > > they're working on. Heck, you might even want to roll up your sleeves > > and get involved when you meet some of the brainiacs behind Fedora. > > > > On Saturday, we're moving to Boston University, where we'll hold a full > > day of BarCamp sessions. At a standard conference, some of the most > > rewarding conversations are those that happen in the hallways between or > > after sessions. BarCamp makes those conversations the entire focus of > > the day. Speakers pitch their talks first thing in the morning, and then > > the entire audience collaborates with them on shaping the schedule for > > the day. > > > > Sound like chaos? Maybe a bit, but out of that chaos comes one of the > > most energizing, captivating, and informative days of Fedora-related > > talk imaginable. And when it's all over, we'll adjourn to the > > ever-popular FUDPub, where the conversations can continue over a > > beverage of your choice. > > > > This innovative and results-centered approach has made FUDCon a can't > > miss event for hundreds of Fedora community members and open source > > enthusiasts and professionals worldwide. We hope you'll join us while > > you're here in Boston and embrace the passionate spirit of free and open > > source software that Fedora's all about. > > > > By the way, we'll also be at the Summit's Fedora booth, located near the > > Cool Stuff Store. If you bring us a 2 GB or larger USB key, we'll turn > > it into a portable Fedora 9 Live system you can use with any USB booting > > computer. And all without messing with your other data on the USB key. > > No muss, no fuss. So even if you can't fit all the FUDCon innovation in > > around the other fun and learning at the Summit, you can still take a > > little souvenir home with you. > > ''' > > > > > Thats a great start to the flyers , how ever i'd klike to see some art > work on the so people know that they are official project marketing > material. That's the point, but until we get workable text, it's a lot harder for the Artwork project to design properly. Would you like to help by working on that text? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:51 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > > > > > A local university I have contacts with are asking about flyers to > put > > > > up around the university advertising the upcoming FUDCon event. Mo > has > > > > offered to create some from her templates, but she needs content to > put > > > > in it. Can ya'll work up some content regarding the event for her? > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone picked up the task of providing this content? Here's > > > something I wrote for the Summit folks for their daily event newspaper. > > > > > > NOTE: Not all of this is going to be relevant in the context of a > > > university flier. I trust people's good judgment to adapt it > > > properly. :-) > > > > > > ''' > > > FUDCon at the Summit > > > > > > While Red Hat executives, developers, partners, and customers are > > > rubbing elbows at the Summit, there's a whole additional event going on > > > simultaneously. You'll find the Fedora community hard at work, > > > brainstorming, planning, and hacking on the future of our free, leading > > > edge, community supported platform. From Thursday to Saturday, we're > > > holding a Fedora Users and Developers Conference (FUDCon) here in > > > Boston. > > > > > > Thursday and Friday we'll be here in the Hynes Center on the third > > > floor, holding all-day "hackathon" sessions extending over many > > > workgroups in several rooms in the FUDCon space. You can stop by, > > > introduce yourself, and meet world-class developers, designers, and > > > system administrators. Ask about the features or platform enhancements > > > they're working on. Heck, you might even want to roll up your sleeves > > > and get involved when you meet some of the brainiacs behind Fedora. > > > > > > On Saturday, we're moving to Boston University, where we'll hold a full > > > day of BarCamp sessions. At a standard conference, some of the most > > > rewarding conversations are those that happen in the hallways between > or > > > after sessions. BarCamp makes those conversations the entire focus of > > > the day. Speakers pitch their talks first thing in the morning, and > then > > > the entire audience collaborates with them on shaping the schedule for > > > the day. > > > > > > Sound like chaos? Maybe a bit, but out of that chaos comes one of the > > > most energizing, captivating, and informative days of Fedora-related > > > talk imaginable. And when it's all over, we'll adjourn to the > > > ever-popular FUDPub, where the conversations can continue over a > > > beverage of your choice. > > > > > > This innovative and results-centered approach has made FUDCon a can't > > > miss event for hundreds of Fedora community members and open source > > > enthusiasts and professionals worldwide. We hope you'll join us while > > > you're here in Boston and embrace the passionate spirit of free and > open > > > source software that Fedora's all about. > > > > > > By the way, we'll also be at the Summit's Fedora booth, located near > the > > > Cool Stuff Store. If you bring us a 2 GB or larger USB key, we'll turn > > > it into a portable Fedora 9 Live system you can use with any USB > booting > > > computer. And all without messing with your other data on the USB key. > > > No muss, no fuss. So even if you can't fit all the FUDCon innovation in > > > around the other fun and learning at the Summit, you can still take a > > > little souvenir home with you. > > > ''' > > > > > > > > Thats a great start to the flyers , how ever i'd klike to see some art > > work on the so people know that they are official project marketing > > material. > > That's the point, but until we get workable text, it's a lot harder for > the Artwork project to design properly. > > Would you like to help by working on that text? > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The biggest software company contributing to the X server has been Red Hat" "In third place for the number of commits is Adam Jackson, an employee of Red Hat. Adam has just been committing to X.Org since 2004 but he represents over 9% of the total workload. Adam Jackson is serving as the X.Org 7.4 release manager." Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 20:48:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:48:58 -0400 Subject: Board Elections open on 13 June Message-ID: <1213303738.18352.87.camel@victoria> SHORT FORM: ----------- Elections for the Fedora Project Board open at 0001 UTC on 13 June 2008 -- or about 3.5 hours from the time of this message. The voting system is available at: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting The voting system uses the range voting method: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting ?Any FAS account holder who has completed the CLA may vote in the election. Voting is open until 2359 UTC on 22 June 2008. Election results will be announced shortly thereafter. The final appointed seat on the Board will be filled after the general election as well. Thank you to all the Board members whose seats are up for election, to Nigel Jones for our new voting application, and to the community in advance, for casting their votes for Fedora leadership. LONG FORM (including nominees and other background): ---------------------------------------------------- Recently we converted one Red Hat-appointed seat to a community-elected seat, so there are now five (5) elected seats and four (4) appointed seats. To even out the Board turnover, community members have the opportunity to vote for four (4) elected seats in this election. The elected person with the fourth-highest vote total will serve a half-length term, with that seat being back up for election after the release of Fedora 10. In addition, Karsten Wade's appointment has been extended by six months. This means that after the release of Fedora 10, we will elect two seats and appoint two seats, thus returning to a turnover of roughly half the Board after each release of Fedora. The seats of current Board members Jef Spaleta, Dennis Gilmore, Chris Aillon, and Bob McWhirter are being vacated in this election. ?In addition, the seats of Steve Dickson and Seth Vidal, Board members appointed by Red Hat, are also being vacated. Steve is to be succeeded by Harald Hoyer, and the final appointment will be announced after the general Board elections are over. I would like to thank each of these people for the time and effort they've put into vigorously representing the entire Fedora community on the Board. ?The processes are documented on the Fedora wiki at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections In the past few days, the Board and I realized that our guidelines hadn't been updated to match the current FAS implementation, so I've updated them appropriately with the approval of the Board. The election system has changed from approval voting to range voting, but no actual changes have been made in voting requirements. The wording on the wiki has been changed to accurately reflect how the new Fedora Account System works. The nominees for the four elected seats, in no particular order, are: Jon Stanley (jds2001) Tom Callaway (spot) Josh Boyer (jwb) Jonathan Roberts (JonRob) Seth Vidal (skvidal) Dennis Gilmore (irc:dgilmore fas:ausil) Jef Spaleta (irc:spoleeba fas:jspaleta) Jesse Keating (irc:f13 fas:jkeating) Note that you do not have to cast a vote blindly -- you can feel free to ask questions of the candidates. Email them, or feel free to ask your questions on a list they frequent, such as the fedora-advisory-board list: http://redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board The nominees have also placed some summary information about their background and goals on the wiki nominations page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections/Nominations These summaries are also available from the "Info" link next to each candidate's name in the voting system. To cast your vote, visit: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting If you have any problems with voting, report them immediately in the ticket system, at: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/tickets Use the "elections" category when you file your ticket so that it is directed quickly to the appropriate parties. * * * I'd like everyone voting to remember that this isn't a popularity contest, or a reward system. Think about how you'd like to Board to look when you vote, the same way you think about how you'd like any government body to look when you cast votes for their elections. We have a lot of worthy candidates on this list, and you should pick the ones that you feel will best represent you in advancing the Fedora Project. This is one of numerous ways in which our community makes decisions about the leadership of Fedora. Your vote counts, and I hope you take advantage of it. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com Thu Jun 12 21:33:20 2008 From: luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:33:20 -0400 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: <485140C8.8050908@fedoraproject.org> References: <485140C8.8050908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1213306400.48519620537f5@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting M?ir?n Duffy : > Markus McLaughlin wrote: > > video, > > yum install totem > is kino in the main fedora repos? Yes. Also consider Pitivi as well. > > and burning DVDs > > yum install k3b Also brasero . > -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga From duffy at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 12 21:49:05 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:49:05 -0400 Subject: Flyers for FUDCon BOS 2008? In-Reply-To: <17fa59580806121151g30f93d6av2331f01f652b83d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1212760302.9688.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1213106764.3305.36.camel@victoria> <484EACCA.30303@gmx.com> <1213295452.18352.26.camel@victoria> <17fa59580806121151g30f93d6av2331f01f652b83d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485199D1.1060708@fedoraproject.org> Hi Rashadul, Rashadul Islam wrote: > Hi: > > I can send the flyer i used in Fedora Release Event at Concordia and > McGill University. That would be really useful, would you mind? ~m From lucas at cefetce.br Fri Jun 13 01:17:13 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:17:13 -0300 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: <1213306400.48519620537f5@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <485140C8.8050908@fedoraproject.org> <1213306400.48519620537f5@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: ok, people I got the idea that markus is trying to explain here, fedora as a Linux distro, you can install almost anything you want, BUT its not native from it, the big thing about MAC stuff is that all aplications come with the OS, ALL of it, and it is still a nice OS, becose its well done, the idea that markus is presenting to us, is to compete with the proprietary software for equal to equal, have the same thing they have, just better and free.. I, personally just LOVED the idea of FedoraLife, although I'd like to discuss the name, but the project itself is a VERY GOOD idea, and if we can do this, and keep a clean, fast and powerfull compilation, fedora can really beat a LOT of other linux distros and maybe compete with MAC OS X, lets not forget that almost every MAC OS X user, uses it, becose they want something simple that can solve their problems, and these are the numbers missing on our user count :) c'mon people let's not be stuburn and make this thing go rigth up! On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga < luya_tfz at thefinalzone.com> wrote: > Quoting M?ir?n Duffy : > > Markus McLaughlin wrote: > > > video, > > > > yum install totem > > is kino in the main fedora repos? > Yes. Also consider Pitivi as well. > > > > and burning DVDs > > > > yum install k3b > Also brasero . > > > -- > Luya Tshimbalanga > Fedora Project contributor > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 13 02:43:24 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:43:24 -0400 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: References: <485140C8.8050908@fedoraproject.org> <1213306400.48519620537f5@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <4851DECC.3000507@fedoraproject.org> Lucas Saboya wrote: > ok, people I got the idea that markus is trying to explain here, fedora > as a Linux distro, you can install almost anything you want, BUT its not > native from it, Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 DVDs or 23 CDs. > the big thing about MAC stuff is that all aplications > come with the OS, ALL of it, and it is still a nice OS, becose its well > done, the idea that markus is presenting to us, is to compete with the > proprietary software for equal to equal, have the same thing they have, > just better and free.. I really doubt OS X has applications that do all of the things a 4 DVD / 23 CD set of media for Fedora would have. > > I, personally just LOVED the idea of FedoraLife, although I'd like to > discuss the name, but the project itself is a VERY GOOD idea, and if we > can do this, and keep a clean, fast and powerfull compilation, fedora > can really beat a LOT of other linux distros and maybe compete with MAC > OS X, lets not forget that almost every MAC OS X user, uses it, becose > they want something simple that can solve their problems, and these are > the numbers missing on our user count :) So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the point to ship everything in the initial install? What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear to me. > > c'mon people let's not be stuburn and make this thing go rigth up! Ready to roll up your sleeves? ~m From hellcomdev at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 02:47:30 2008 From: hellcomdev at gmail.com (RazGriz) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:47:30 -0300 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: <4851DECC.3000507@fedoraproject.org> References: <485140C8.8050908@fedoraproject.org> <1213306400.48519620537f5@ssl.mecca.ca> <4851DECC.3000507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1f0d49220806121947i7ca93643h5eeae3d346004b7e@mail.gmail.com> +1 M?ir?n -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 04:21:41 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:21:41 -0800 Subject: Miro channel successfully created! In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806122121j1bdd1864oba1cecf6d568c030@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > I got in touch with their devs, and there was some funkiness about their > uploads to S3. But all is good now; the channel exists. Go to: > > https://www.miroguide.com/channels/6891 > > And check it out. Paul sounds so pimp. ;) Now.. how would we go about pre-populating the Miro in rawhide with this as one of the default pre-configured channels? Hmm..... -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 04:50:09 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:50:09 -0800 Subject: Red Hat, the biggest contributing vendor to Xorg In-Reply-To: <4851886B.3020803@fedoraproject.org> References: <4851886B.3020803@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910806122150j3280719fm888c21a164dda25@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > Along with the Linux kernel, another interesting tidbit. > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_server_contributors&num=1 Ah look the laypress is starting to pay attention. The level of contribution to upstream projects matters! Let's see if the take the next step and use their editorial soapboxes to start being critical of companies who aren't contributing back to the projects they depend on. A spotlight on companies who are benefiting from the work of open source projects but aren't support those very same projects would be a gloriously wonderful thing to see. I would almost call that the birth of a completely new type of laypress..a laypress dedicated to protecting the long term interests of the open ecosystem. That would be a laypress I could get behind. Want to take any bets on which person in the press picks on this information as it relates to Shuttleworth's call on upstream project to sync release schedules to match Canonical's needs and does an unscientific inquiry as to exactly how much upstream involvement Canonical is actually providing to a number of important projects which Canonical relies on heavily. I think that would be a fascinating article to read.... it would even border on legitimate investigative journalism. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 05:39:38 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:39:38 -0800 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: <485140C8.8050908@fedoraproject.org> References: <485140C8.8050908@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910806122239r19cc02e5k1c3513c3e336aa2b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:29 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > is kino in the main fedora repos? Very very short story: kino makes use of ffmpeg for some things so as things stand kino can't really come in to Fedora. Pitivi is what we can ship as an editor. I am not aware of anything else that makes use of gstreamer in the way we need an application to do so we can ship it as a video editor. Somewhat short story: I've looked at kino a lot in the past few months, even before the fedoratv concept was made public I was looking at the available video editting toolset and took a real hard look at if kino could be included in Fedora..even if it was a crippled kino to get around the ffmpeg requirement. I don't think it would be worth doing... unless we can ship a version of ffmpeg that had the forbidden capabilities stripped out. Long story: Kino is an interesting case. The way it leverages ffmpeg is as a helper and if we could include a less capable version of ffmpeg tools and libraries..even if they were renamed.. we could ship a functional kino in a way that additional functionality would be re-enabled as soon as a more functional ffmpeg was made available on a client system. FFmpeg has a crap load of things it does well, beyond the forbidden codec support and kino makes use of those abilities to encode different quality of theora. I found a way to replace ffmpeg with gst to export theora, though with less video quality options like interlacing. It was enough as a start. But Kino also makes use of ffmpeg to import source material that is not raw dv. I couldn't find a way to use gstreamer to do what kino needed to import theora as source material. If someone can figure that part out, then we have the ability to ship a useful kino that can mix theora and raw dv together as source material and then export theora. The problem is, I don't think we can easily ship a cutdown ffmpeg without some major surgery. I don't think we can just set some compile time flags produce binaries with the forbidden capabilities disabled. I dont think all the capabilities that are problematic have compile time switches. And I'm not even sure that would suffice from a legal standpoint. If we had to patch out the capabilities from the source we distributed that would be even harder, I'm not sure all the capabilities are delineated clearly. In either case there would have to be a comprehensive code review of ffmpeg by someone who understood where the legal line was and had the ability to patch out the code. The only person I can think of to do that, is spot. And I haven't asked him to do it, because I think his finite time is better used on other things. Summary: So right now.. pitivi is the best thing we have access to that we can ship as a video editor to produce theora videos. It can mix theora and raw dv as source material. And talking to J5 it seems that there is a pitivi Google SoC project this summer so we might see a ramp up in its stability and featureset. If I were going to burn whatever remaining street cred I have in the Fedora community on getting an application polished up.. it would be on pitivi. I'm hoping that if we start pumping out videos,even crappy videos, I'll be able to generate enough interest in our userbase and I'll be able to find people in our community with enough technical ability to engage pitivi upstream and help them stablize pitivi and grow its plugin capability. Because I certainly can't do it. But I'll get on my soapbox and sing the praises of the people who can and do. -jef From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jun 13 05:41:16 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:41:16 +0300 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4852087C.4060708@nicubunu.ro> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > Okay guys, I hear what you say BUT Fedora needs basic tools for photos, > video, voice chats, and burning DVDs that uses already existing CLI > tools in a friendlier GUI. I was only presenting ideas for sub-projects So when are you going to show us some code? > that don't need to be rushed but just worked on little by little. The > condensed version is now at http://linuxglobe.wordpress.com, I have to > add the Conclusion now, there was no room for it. If anyone like to see > the visuals in full glory, let me know a good free photo hosting > service, I can accommodate in that manner. Keep talking about ideas, > that is what I do all the time on my blogs... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 06:12:13 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:12:13 -0800 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <64b14b300806120015n691ac693hf8983662cb6d890c@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806041015i6634013ao920eaacff31ce430@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806120015n691ac693hf8983662cb6d890c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806122312w48c6c9b6qaef5fe528237ba17@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I accept! Let's do it. Can you please comment on my current > screencasts, do you feel that these basic tutorials are needed. I'm deliberately not going to comment on the value of any specific topic. I am overly critical, to a fault, and to be quite frank I don't think I've earned the right to judge the value of any effort put forth. I might have helped shaped the discussion, and encouraged people to do these screencasts, but I'm not the one doing them so I should not be a judge as to their value on an individual basis. I appreciate and value any good faith effort to get the ball rolling. I think the best judge of the value of a particular topic are going to be the other people who are doing the work with feedback from the target audience. I am absolutely not the target audience. I personally gain no value in tutorial screencast, but I see an immense value in providing them to the user base as a way to lower the bar. I'm happy to let people experiment for a couple of weeks and then after FUDCon we can perhaps see a leader step forward and organize a group of people who can do the work and evaluating the screencast idea pool into a tasklist. In fact it might be a very good idea for Greg to hold a little screencast/video editors meeting at FUDCon to put a focused roadmap together. I really hate I can't make the FUDCon, I'll be attending a work related conference. > Is it > better for this project that me and other contributors better use > their energy in making screencasts of some "higher" fedora features or > is it ok to start from the beginning. I believe that some people would > benefit with explanation of atleast what are the elements od the > desktop they are seeing (GNOME) and then take it from there do to more > advanced things. These are very good questions. And I think these are questions that will get more attention once we can show more people that doing these things are possible and that its possible to distribute them to users in a meaningful way. Once we have a few of these, even if they are the wrong topic out in a consumable fashion in Miro, I expect to see significant feedback that will help shape the answers to these questions. -jef From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 08:06:38 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:06:38 +0200 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806041852u51324281wd9cee1282615e923@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806120020k58837304q1719dabdc72f386e@mail.gmail.com> <48512590.3000407@fedoraproject.org> <48513143.4070509@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <64b14b300806130106w97439b0u150752ed1c791bc@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/12 Clint Savage : > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Nicu Buculei > wrote: >> >> Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> >>>> Clint Savage wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think that's a great idea. Get a couple, small screencasts right >>>>> near the desktop on a LiveCD or whatnot. Besides, these videos are pretty >>>>> small. What's a few megabytes between friends? >>>> >>>> Quite a lot in a live cd atleast. You have to figure out which >>>> applications to remove. >>> >>> Someone should be working on a minimal RPM set suitable as a base for >>> single-function live images. >> >> But I thought the idea is to put those few and small videos on the most >> used spin (Desktop Live CD?) to let the hordes of users know about our >> multimedia capabilities. > > I agree with Nicu on this. I think there's reason to justify something like > 5-10 MB on a LiveCD to give a good intro to Fedora. I did the cheese demo > and it > was actually pretty hefty, but most of the ones that Paul did were no more > than 5MB. I suppose we'd be going right to the end of the CD and have to > remove *one* thing. > What if this was on the install DVD to start? Maybe having Miro installed > in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel preloaded? > > Cheers, > > Clint This sounds like a great idea! How would users be notified that there is Miro with a rss Fedora chanell setup for them? Some short readme on the desktop? A short video showing using Miro with Fedora channel? Some html page readme on first firefox startup? Nothing of the above? Something totally different? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From lucas at cefetce.br Fri Jun 13 12:14:36 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:14:36 -0300 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: <4852087C.4060708@nicubunu.ro> References: <4852087C.4060708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: > > Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of EVERY > SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They call it the > "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 DVDs or 23 CDs. > Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants to edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ? I really doubt OS X has applications that do all of the things a 4 DVD / 23 > CD set of media for Fedora would have. No, it really doesn't and this is what kepp MAC OS X so clean, and functional So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the point to > ship everything in the initial install? > What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear to me. The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not everything but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that uses a PC just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our own version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to do, thing like common users ?:) Ready to roll up your sleeves? > Thats what I'm doing right now :) So when are you going to show us some code? > let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora developer list, its the MARKETING one :) this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean and functional instalation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucas at cefetce.br Fri Jun 13 12:16:47 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:16:47 -0300 Subject: Miro channel successfully created! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806122121j1bdd1864oba1cecf6d568c030@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806122121j1bdd1864oba1cecf6d568c030@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Pretty good job guys! :) On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg > wrote: > > > > I got in touch with their devs, and there was some funkiness about their > > uploads to S3. But all is good now; the channel exists. Go to: > > > > https://www.miroguide.com/channels/6891 > > > > And check it out. Paul sounds so pimp. ;) > > Now.. how would we go about pre-populating the Miro in rawhide with > this as one of the default pre-configured channels? Hmm..... > > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jun 13 13:05:33 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:05:33 +0300 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: References: <4852087C.4060708@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4852709D.9030309@nicubunu.ro> Lucas Saboya wrote: > Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of > EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They > call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 > DVDs or 23 CDs. > > Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of > data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only > wants to edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ? That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he think is useful. If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users, then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors. The trick is to produce a spin which is useful. > So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the > point to ship everything in the initial install? > What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear > to me. > > The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not > everything but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users > that uses a PC just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily > compile our own version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is > that so hard to do, thing like common users ?:) It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common users" need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and that such applications are needed by a niche ("creative"). > Ready to roll up your sleeves? > > Thats what I'm doing right now :) > > So when are you going to show us some code? > > let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora > developer list, its the MARKETING one :) > this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to > compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a > clean and functional instalation. The first step is to produce something like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the spin is only a matter of clicks. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 13 13:18:49 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:48:49 +0530 Subject: Hands on: Secrets of Fedora 8 Message-ID: <485273B9.8000100@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.pcw.co.uk/personal-computer-world/features/2218856/hands-secrets-fedora "However, Fedora is perhaps the most pioneering distribution when it comes to experimenting with new technology, and for that reason some people may wish to stick with the previous release for a while longer. Fedora 8 has not remained stagnant at all, and has continued to receive very regular updates, including enhancements to security and many other areas." Rahul From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 14:05:40 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:05:40 -0600 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: <64b14b300806130106w97439b0u150752ed1c791bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806111349l4db5b313xbddab5cca0d8ee37@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806120020k58837304q1719dabdc72f386e@mail.gmail.com> <48512590.3000407@fedoraproject.org> <48513143.4070509@nicubunu.ro> <64b14b300806130106w97439b0u150752ed1c791bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > > > I agree with Nicu on this. I think there's reason to justify something > like > > 5-10 MB on a LiveCD to give a good intro to Fedora. I did the cheese > demo > > and it > > was actually pretty hefty, but most of the ones that Paul did were no > more > > than 5MB. I suppose we'd be going right to the end of the CD and have to > > remove *one* thing. > > What if this was on the install DVD to start? Maybe having Miro > installed > > in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel preloaded? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Clint > > This sounds like a great idea! How would users be notified that there > is Miro with a rss Fedora chanell setup for them? Some short readme on > the desktop? A short video showing using Miro with Fedora channel? > Some html page readme on first firefox startup? Nothing of the above? > Something totally different? I was thinking we could do another one of those rotating ads like on the fedoraproject.org main page. You know, the ones with Paul's face or when a release gets close? I'm not a big fan of the 'pop something up when they login' idea of Microsoft lore, but maybe there's a less intrusive way to get it onto the desktop. We could just drop an icon on the desktop that says 'Getting Started with Fedora' which would launch Miro and put them into the Fedora rss feed directly? I'm not 100% sure I like this idea, but its a thought. Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nayyares at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 14:09:22 2008 From: nayyares at gmail.com (Nayyar Ahmad) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:09:22 +0200 Subject: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro In-Reply-To: References: <604aa7910805211339n13be6aa6u7fcddb337b6bce15@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806111714m53895b44w10e70c3ae837c472@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300806120020k58837304q1719dabdc72f386e@mail.gmail.com> <48512590.3000407@fedoraproject.org> <48513143.4070509@nicubunu.ro> <64b14b300806130106w97439b0u150752ed1c791bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e1ee2a30806130709y4c8cdb5bvf7bb4a756f6abb8c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/13 Clint Savage : > > > >> > I agree with Nicu on this. I think there's reason to justify something >> like >> > 5-10 MB on a LiveCD to give a good intro to Fedora. I did the cheese >> demo >> > and it >> > was actually pretty hefty, but most of the ones that Paul did were no >> more >> > than 5MB. I suppose we'd be going right to the end of the CD and have >> to >> > remove *one* thing. >> > What if this was on the install DVD to start? Maybe having Miro >> installed >> > in the default LiveCD with the rss from the fedora channel preloaded? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Clint >> >> This sounds like a great idea! How would users be notified that there >> is Miro with a rss Fedora chanell setup for them? Some short readme on >> the desktop? A short video showing using Miro with Fedora channel? >> Some html page readme on first firefox startup? Nothing of the above? >> Something totally different? > > > I was thinking we could do another one of those rotating ads like on the > fedoraproject.org main page. You know, the ones with Paul's face or when > a release gets close? > I'm not a big fan of the 'pop something up when they login' idea of > Microsoft lore, but maybe there's a less intrusive way to get it onto the > desktop. We could just drop an > icon on the desktop that says 'Getting Started with Fedora' which would > launch Miro and put them into the Fedora rss feed directly? I'm not 100% > sure I like this idea, but > its a thought. > +1 yeah to me its a nice idea ! > > > Cheers, > > Clint > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Nayyar Ahmad RHCE (ID:804006858622745) Skype: nayyares Blog: nayyares.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 14:11:59 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:11:59 -0600 Subject: Miro channel successfully created! In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806122121j1bdd1864oba1cecf6d568c030@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/13 Lucas Saboya : > Pretty good job guys! :) > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg >> wrote: >> > >> > I got in touch with their devs, and there was some funkiness about their >> > uploads to S3. But all is good now; the channel exists. Go to: >> > >> > https://www.miroguide.comh/channels/6891 >> > >> > And check it out. Paul sounds so pimp. ;) >> >> Now.. how would we go about pre-populating the Miro in rawhide with >> this as one of the default pre-configured channels? Hmm..... >> >> >> -jef >> > That worked! Great Job on getting this going. Now, how do we add more videos to the list? AFAICS there is no way I can do this from the miro site. Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f0d49220806130726n522dbdf4o2dbbd69a83499d0a@mail.gmail.com> +1 2008/6/13 Markus McLaughlin : > The real reason why I came up with the "fedoraLife" concept is to have a > "Fedora Studio" spin established that either has the "fedoraLife" suite that > enhances already established software OR puts the already established > software "front and center." So people who work in multimedia can access > their tools quickly and easily. So, > people, let's see if we ALL can make this happen... > > *Mark McLaughlin > linuxglobe.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA, USA* > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 14:42:04 2008 From: br4in5t0rmm at gmail.com (Erick Henrique) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:42:04 -0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67d66b7b0806130742n47a5a36i6ddd3edeb88d0742@mail.gmail.com> +1 2008/6/13 Markus McLaughlin : > The real reason why I came up with the "fedoraLife" concept is to have a > "Fedora Studio" spin established that either has the "fedoraLife" suite that > enhances already established software OR puts the already established > software "front and center." So people who work in multimedia can access > their tools quickly and easily. So, > people, let's see if we ALL can make this happen... > > Mark McLaughlin > linuxglobe.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA, USA > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *********************************************** DESIGN LIVRE *********************************************** <> From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 13 14:59:12 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:59:12 +0100 Subject: Miro channel successfully created! In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806122121j1bdd1864oba1cecf6d568c030@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806130759v6006d356h68a62909eb09ff9f@mail.gmail.com> > That worked! Great Job on getting this going. Now, how do we add more > videos to the list? AFAICS there is no way I can do this from the miro > site. There isn't yet, other than through me :S The plan is to create a web form that users can submit a video through, which will then be passed on for review and submission to the channel. I'm tackling this this coming week, so hopefully by next week I'll have something in place :) Hope this helps, and if you want to help let me know how your web form creation skills are and I'll pass you my plans for what I want it to do! Best, Jon From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Fri Jun 13 15:19:28 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:19:28 +0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48529000.4050305@nicubunu.ro> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > The real reason why I came up with the "fedoraLife" concept is to have a > "Fedora Studio" spin established that either has the "fedoraLife" suite > that enhances already established software OR puts the already > established software "front and center." So people who work in > multimedia can access their tools quickly and easily. So, > people, let's see if we ALL can make this happen... There are some *real* ways to make it happen: - join the Fedora Art list and help with getting the Art Studio spin built; - find some more useful applications and package them for Fedora (the same about fonts and clipart); - work with *upstream* projects producing those applications (like PiTiVi) and help them improve so we automatically get in Fedora better tools. I fear that ranting here and replying with "+1" is not of much use... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From lucas at cefetce.br Fri Jun 13 16:10:26 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:10:26 -0300 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: <4852709D.9030309@nicubunu.ro> References: <4852087C.4060708@nicubunu.ro> <4852709D.9030309@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: ok, so lets go modelling the stuff? On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Lucas Saboya wrote: > >> Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of >> EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They >> call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 >> DVDs or 23 CDs. >> >> Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of >> data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants to >> edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ? >> > > That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to > produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he think > is useful. > If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users, > then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more > useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors. > The trick is to produce a spin which is useful. > > So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the >> point to ship everything in the initial install? >> What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear >> to me. >> >> The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not everything >> but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that uses a PC >> just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our own >> version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to do, >> thing like common users ?:) >> > > It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common users" > need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need > video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and that > such applications are needed by a niche ("creative"). > > Ready to roll up your sleeves? >> >> Thats what I'm doing right now :) >> >> So when are you going to show us some code? >> >> let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora developer >> list, its the MARKETING one :) >> this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to >> compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean >> and functional instalation. >> > > The first step is to produce something like this: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest > > And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the spin > is only a matter of clicks. > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucas at cefetce.br Fri Jun 13 16:19:37 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:19:37 -0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 if you want some by splitting tasks, let me now, ok ? :) 2008/6/13 Markus McLaughlin : > The real reason why I came up with the "fedoraLife" concept is to have a > "Fedora Studio" spin established that either has the "fedoraLife" suite that > enhances already established software OR puts the already established > software "front and center." So people who work in multimedia can access > their tools quickly and easily. So, > people, let's see if we ALL can make this happen... > > *Mark McLaughlin > linuxglobe.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA, USA* > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 13 18:45:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:15:36 +0530 Subject: Satchmo online store software Message-ID: <4852C050.4010709@fedoraproject.org> Hi This one seems to be what FSF is using for their online store. If we want to run a similar instance, take a look at: http://www.satchmoproject.com/ Rahul From mattdm at mattdm.org Fri Jun 13 19:52:54 2008 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:52:54 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Boston transportation warning for those taking the Red Line Message-ID: <20080613195254.GA17563@jadzia.bu.edu> People on the Cambridge side of the river need to be aware that the MBTA is doing repairs on the tracks on the Longfellow Bridge the weekend of FUDCon, which means they'll be running busses between Kendall and Park. In the best-case scenario it means anyone planning to come to BU by that route needs to add another 15 minutes to their planned commute. I'm planning to go to Central Square and take the 47 bus across the river instead. Or if the weather is nice, just walk from there. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 21:08:21 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:08:21 -0800 Subject: Miro channel successfully created! In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806130759v6006d356h68a62909eb09ff9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806122121j1bdd1864oba1cecf6d568c030@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806130759v6006d356h68a62909eb09ff9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806131408i4f294a8cl8e052f7366511e1@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> That worked! Great Job on getting this going. Now, how do we add more >> videos to the list? AFAICS there is no way I can do this from the miro >> site. > > There isn't yet, other than through me :S Speaking of which. I'd like to challenge you to turn some of your future interview work into a set of psuedo video interviews by making use of cheese and pitivi. Video yourself asking questions and then get your interview subject to video themselves answering the questions and then mix the clips together with pitivi into a psuedo interview to push to the miro channel. Double points if you can pull a Barbara Walters and get one of your interviewees to cry on camera. -jef From rafaelliu at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 02:40:56 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:40:56 -0300 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: References: <4852087C.4060708@nicubunu.ro> <4852709D.9030309@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: tFrom what I get Markus is suggesting a "bundled" Fedora which would have all common and cool apps, so users don't have to search/install them. I think a much reasonable approach would be to give users profiles, but much more focused than the package selector we have upon installation. I see this idea in Ubuntu with its flavors (Studio, Home Server, etc) and Debian with that primitive selector (Server, Notebook, etc). There could be profiles such as Media Workstation, Developer Workstation, Server, Home User, etc. Those would just select appropriate packages in the already existent package selector in Anaconda. 2008/6/13 Lucas Saboya : > ok, so lets go modelling the stuff? > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Nicu Buculei > wrote: > >> Lucas Saboya wrote: >> >>> Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of >>> EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They >>> call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 >>> DVDs or 23 CDs. >>> >>> Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of >>> data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants to >>> edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ? >>> >> >> That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to >> produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he think >> is useful. >> If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users, >> then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more >> useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors. >> The trick is to produce a spin which is useful. >> >> So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the >>> point to ship everything in the initial install? >>> What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear >>> to me. >>> >>> The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not everything >>> but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that uses a PC >>> just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our own >>> version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to do, >>> thing like common users ?:) >>> >> >> It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common users" >> need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need >> video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and that >> such applications are needed by a niche ("creative"). >> >> Ready to roll up your sleeves? >>> >>> Thats what I'm doing right now :) >>> >>> So when are you going to show us some code? >>> >>> let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora developer >>> list, its the MARKETING one :) >>> this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to >>> compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean >>> and functional instalation. >>> >> >> The first step is to produce something like this: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest >> >> And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the >> spin is only a matter of clicks. >> >> >> -- >> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >> >> >> > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 14:03:22 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:03:22 -0400 Subject: FUDCon Boston transportation warning for those taking the Red Line In-Reply-To: <20080613195254.GA17563@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20080613195254.GA17563@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1213452202.3500.5.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 15:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > People on the Cambridge side of the river need to be aware that the MBTA is > doing repairs on the tracks on the Longfellow Bridge the weekend of FUDCon, > which means they'll be running busses between Kendall and Park. In the > best-case scenario it means anyone planning to come to BU by that route > needs to add another 15 minutes to their planned commute. > > I'm planning to go to Central Square and take the 47 bus across the river > instead. Or if the weather is nice, just walk from there. Matt, Thanks for passing this on -- I reposted this inside Red Hat, for the benefit of all the engineers there who may be attending, and we'll also try to announce it again at the FUDCon event on Thursday or Friday. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I see > this idea in Ubuntu with its flavors (Studio, Home Server, etc) and Debian > with that primitive selector (Server, Notebook, etc). > > There could be profiles such as Media Workstation, Developer Workstation, > Server, Home User, etc. Those would just select appropriate packages in the > already existent package selector in Anaconda. > > 2008/6/13 Lucas Saboya : > >> ok, so lets go modelling the stuff? >> >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Nicu Buculei >> wrote: >> >>> Lucas Saboya wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of >>>> EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They >>>> call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 >>>> DVDs or 23 CDs. >>>> >>>> Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount of >>>> data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants to >>>> edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ? >>>> >>> >>> That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to >>> produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he think >>> is useful. >>> If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users, >>> then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more >>> useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors. >>> The trick is to produce a spin which is useful. >>> >>> So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the >>>> point to ship everything in the initial install? >>>> What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear >>>> to me. >>>> >>>> The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not >>>> everything but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that >>>> uses a PC just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our >>>> own version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to >>>> do, thing like common users ?:) >>>> >>> >>> It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common users" >>> need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need >>> video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and that >>> such applications are needed by a niche ("creative"). >>> >>> Ready to roll up your sleeves? >>>> >>>> Thats what I'm doing right now :) >>>> >>>> So when are you going to show us some code? >>>> >>>> let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora >>>> developer list, its the MARKETING one :) >>>> this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is to >>>> compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean >>>> and functional instalation. >>>> >>> >>> The first step is to produce something like this: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest >>> >>> And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the >>> spin is only a matter of clicks. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >>> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >>> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >>> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. 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URL: From rafaelliu at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 19:41:17 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:41:17 -0300 Subject: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now In-Reply-To: References: <4852087C.4060708@nicubunu.ro> <4852709D.9030309@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: +1 Lucas I don't know whether it would be useful but there could be something like smolt to packages installed. I say it may not be useful because not always people configure the system the way they like the first time, or maybe they don't know what they like, and maybe a lot of trash could get counted in the statistics. This work could start from the community as we already have very distinct profiles and people would be more careful/thoughtful towards our effort. 2008/6/14 Lucas Saboya : > Good point rafael, I think we can start asking people who uses PCs not for > living what they think its usefull to a OS and start compiling a database > with this information :) who's with me ? :D > > 2008/6/13 rafael liu : > > tFrom what I get Markus is suggesting a "bundled" Fedora which would have >> all common and cool apps, so users don't have to search/install them. >> >> I think a much reasonable approach would be to give users profiles, but >> much more focused than the package selector we have upon installation. I see >> this idea in Ubuntu with its flavors (Studio, Home Server, etc) and Debian >> with that primitive selector (Server, Notebook, etc). >> >> There could be profiles such as Media Workstation, Developer Workstation, >> Server, Home User, etc. Those would just select appropriate packages in the >> already existent package selector in Anaconda. >> >> 2008/6/13 Lucas Saboya : >> >>> ok, so lets go modelling the stuff? >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Nicu Buculei >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Lucas Saboya wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of >>>>> EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They >>>>> call it the "Everything Spin." The problem with this is... it is 4 >>>>> DVDs or 23 CDs. >>>>> >>>>> Ok, but dont you thing that 4 DVDs ou 23 CDs its a little HUGE amount >>>>> of data, that sometimes wont be NEVER used by a normal user, that only wants >>>>> to edit his/her videos or engage into a meeting ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is the superset of *all* our packages. With the same tools used to >>>> produce it, anyone can create his own subset ("spin") with whatever he think >>>> is useful. >>>> If he manage to prove the spin is useful for a large category of users, >>>> then it can be hosted on Fedora infrastructure (torrent). It is is even more >>>> useful than that, then it may get even hosted on the mirrors. >>>> The trick is to produce a spin which is useful. >>>> >>>> So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the >>>>> point to ship everything in the initial install? >>>>> What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear >>>>> to me. >>>>> >>>>> The point is tho make a usable version of fedora, shipping not >>>>> everything but just the things we KNOW that will help the common users that >>>>> uses a PC just to do a PART of their work not US who can easily compile our >>>>> own version of fedora and put everything we want on it. is that so hard to >>>>> do, thing like common users ?:) >>>>> >>>> >>>> It is hard because there are a lot of definition of what "common users" >>>> need. For example, it can be argued that common users do not need >>>> video/audio editors (see the "fedoraLife" subject of this thread) and that >>>> such applications are needed by a niche ("creative"). >>>> >>>> Ready to roll up your sleeves? >>>>> >>>>> Thats what I'm doing right now :) >>>>> >>>>> So when are you going to show us some code? >>>>> >>>>> let's go codding, so ! But remember that this is not the fedora >>>>> developer list, its the MARKETING one :) >>>>> this means, the codding doesn't happen here, the idea of the email is >>>>> to compile a concept of the programas we can put with fedora to make a clean >>>>> and functional instalation. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The first step is to produce something like this: >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest >>>> >>>> And then, turn the list in a kickstart file. After that, producing the >>>> spin is only a matter of clicks. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com >>>> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ >>>> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org >>>> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>>> believed to be clean. >>>> >>>> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >>> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> >> believed to be clean. >> >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 14 21:23:22 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:23:22 -0400 Subject: Miro channel successfully created! In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806131408i4f294a8cl8e052f7366511e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806110617s68e1c901i1789c74e01931063@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806122121j1bdd1864oba1cecf6d568c030@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806130759v6006d356h68a62909eb09ff9f@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806131408i4f294a8cl8e052f7366511e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806141423q2554c36fqba9628299f13904f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/13 Jeff Spaleta : > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: >>> That worked! Great Job on getting this going. Now, how do we add more >>> videos to the list? AFAICS there is no way I can do this from the miro >>> site. >> >> There isn't yet, other than through me :S > > Speaking of which. I'd like to challenge you to turn some of your > future interview work into a set of psuedo video interviews by making > use of cheese and pitivi. Video yourself asking questions and then > get your interview subject to video themselves answering the questions > and then mix the clips together with pitivi into a psuedo interview to > push to the miro channel. Double points if you can pull a Barbara > Walters and get one of your interviewees to cry on camera. I'd already planned on something along these lines, though haven't worked out the details yet :) I'll be waiting until the feature list for F10 is out before doing anything more concrete myself I think, but there will definitely be something like this... Best, Jon From axelilly at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 13:21:54 2008 From: axelilly at gmail.com (Jason Fenner) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:21:54 -0400 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > Anyone want to volunteer to generate the associated rss feed meant to > be used in miro? Starting with Clint's video as the first rss entry. > > Has anyone volunteered for this yet? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 14:35:15 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:35:15 -0400 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/16 Jason Fenner : > > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> >> >> Anyone want to volunteer to generate the associated rss feed meant to >> be used in miro? Starting with Clint's video as the first rss entry. >> > > Has anyone volunteered for this yet? Yep, it's been done and the channel is in Miro :) Fedora TV. What does need doing however, is an e-mail web form so that people can submit an idea to a video for review before it gets added to the feed. If you're interested in helping, maybe you'd like to do this?! Would be awesome if you could! Best, Jon From lucas at cefetce.br Mon Jun 16 14:51:01 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:51:01 -0300 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I can try to do this, just tell me what info do you want me to get from the users, and I'll try to do something here On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/6/16 Jason Fenner : > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Jeff Spaleta > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Anyone want to volunteer to generate the associated rss feed meant to > >> be used in miro? Starting with Clint's video as the first rss entry. > >> > > > > Has anyone volunteered for this yet? > > Yep, it's been done and the channel is in Miro :) Fedora TV. > > What does need doing however, is an e-mail web form so that people can > submit an idea to a video for review before it gets added to the feed. > If you're interested in helping, maybe you'd like to do this?! Would > be awesome if you could! > > Best, > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 15:13:50 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:13:50 +0100 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/16 Lucas Saboya : > I can try to do this, just tell me what info do you want me to get from the > users, and I'll try to do something here Basically we want: Name: E-Mail: Video URL: Video Title: Video Description: And then have that e-mailed to an editor or a mailing list (i.e. just needs an e-mail address we can fill in for it to be sent to). What would be cool if the form would automatically update the RSS feed once somebody clicks approve, but this could also be done manually quite easily. Let me know, otherwise I'll investigate this properly myself when I get a minute, Thanks, Jon From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 18:03:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:03:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <1210982321.17410.128.camel@victoria> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> <20080516153734.GE21807@cs.bu.edu> <1210982321.17410.128.camel@victoria> Message-ID: <1213639411.24439.117.camel@victoria> On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 23:58 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 11:37 -0400, Paul Stauffer wrote: > > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:04:17AM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > I'm working on a sign for FUDpub now. (Paul Staffer's suggestion - good > > > idea!) I figure we can print those full color on letter paper (or maybe I > > > can get some thicker stuff that'll go thru the printers here) so we can > > > have a lot of them. > > > > Cool, thanks. Just to clarify, are you talking about US Letter sized fliers > > / handouts? What I was suggesting was a large poster to greet people at the > > pub itself, so we'd really only need one of them. > > Right, we might be able to reuse some of the old design from 2007. > We'll need FUDPub fliers for directions, but that's really not much of > an artwork concern I'd guess. Any update on this sign? If I remember correctly, Paul S. may have a place to print a poster if we can get him the artwork. And do we have a map available we could add to a smaller handout flier on US letter sized paper? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 18:54:34 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:54:34 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <20080616184022.GX27934@cs.bu.edu> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> <20080516153734.GE21807@cs.bu.edu> <1210982321.17410.128.camel@victoria> <1213639411.24439.117.camel@victoria> <20080616184022.GX27934@cs.bu.edu> Message-ID: <4856B6EA.9060306@fedoraproject.org> Paul Stauffer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 02:03:31PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Any update on this sign? If I remember correctly, Paul S. may have a >> place to print a poster if we can get him the artwork. > > Affirmative. I have a 42" poster printer that's just sitting here feeling > bored. 42"! Damn. Okay what dimensions would the final poster be then? 42"x?? Give me dimensions and I'll reformat the letter size sign I did to fit that with room for a map. > >> And do we have a map available we could add to a smaller handout flier >> on US letter sized paper? > > I can probably come up with one... Can you get one to me by cob today? I can get it added to the poster design tonight and have it back to you around 10-11ish tonight ~m From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 19:17:01 2008 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:17:01 -0400 Subject: Fedora sign In-Reply-To: <20080616191503.GA27934@cs.bu.edu> References: <1210796161.11569.95.camel@victoria> <482DA271.1020305@fedoraproject.org> <20080516153734.GE21807@cs.bu.edu> <1210982321.17410.128.camel@victoria> <1213639411.24439.117.camel@victoria> <20080616184022.GX27934@cs.bu.edu> <4856B6EA.9060306@fedoraproject.org> <20080616191503.GA27934@cs.bu.edu> Message-ID: <4856BC2D.5040206@fedoraproject.org> Paul Stauffer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 02:54:34PM -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> Give me dimensions and I'll reformat the letter size sign I did to fit >> that with room for a map. > > We might be talking about two different things here... The poster I was > originally talking about was a welcome poster to be put up at the pub. So a > map would be rather pointless on that one. :) Ahhh okay, sorry I was thinking of a poster at FUDcon itself. Okay. I have to leave the office right now to pick up the FUDcon tshirts but when I get back to a computer (probably around 5-6) I'll get you some artwork for that poster, okay? (Hope thats not too late) > > Regarding dimensions, it's a roll, so it can be 42xN or Nx42, whatever works. > >> Can you get one to me by cob today? I can get it added to the poster >> design tonight and have it back to you around 10-11ish tonight > > Maybe. I can try, but can't promise. This is for a letter-sized handout, > right? Any preferred dimensions for the map? Whatever is easiest for you and I can design around it. I'm thinking, 4x5 might work well... ~m From lucas at cefetce.br Mon Jun 16 19:23:47 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:23:47 -0300 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: got my people doing this, by the end of the afternoon, from here to 3 or 4 hours, U'll have your script right away! :) On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/6/16 Lucas Saboya : > > I can try to do this, just tell me what info do you want me to get from > the > > users, and I'll try to do something here > > Basically we want: > > Name: > E-Mail: > Video URL: > Video Title: > Video Description: > > And then have that e-mailed to an editor or a mailing list (i.e. just > needs an e-mail address we can fill in for it to be sent to). What > would be cool if the form would automatically update the RSS feed once > somebody clicks approve, but this could also be done manually quite > easily. > > Let me know, otherwise I'll investigate this properly myself when I > get a minute, > > Thanks, > > Jon > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jun 16 20:46:40 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:16:40 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 Falls A Little Short Message-ID: <4856D130.1090502@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6492/1/ Rahul From lucas at cefetce.br Mon Jun 16 21:44:24 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:44:24 -0300 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: done and done :) fell free to make any changes.. script made in PHP and HTML :) Link: http://www.mediafire.com/?hixl2zpmbxm On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Lucas Saboya wrote: > got my people doing this, by the end of the afternoon, from here to 3 or 4 > hours, U'll have your script right away! :) > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Jonathan Roberts < > jonrob at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> 2008/6/16 Lucas Saboya : >> > I can try to do this, just tell me what info do you want me to get from >> the >> > users, and I'll try to do something here >> >> Basically we want: >> >> Name: >> E-Mail: >> Video URL: >> Video Title: >> Video Description: >> >> And then have that e-mailed to an editor or a mailing list (i.e. just >> needs an e-mail address we can fill in for it to be sent to). What >> would be cool if the form would automatically update the RSS feed once >> somebody clicks approve, but this could also be done manually quite >> easily. >> >> Let me know, otherwise I'll investigate this properly myself when I >> get a minute, >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jon >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 22:44:47 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:44:47 -0700 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806161544v743778d1n7d96d60a9354058f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/6/16 Lucas Saboya : >> I can try to do this, just tell me what info do you want me to get from the >> users, and I'll try to do something here > > Basically we want: > > Name: > E-Mail: > Video URL: > Video Title: > Video Description: You need an explicit statement as to the license. For the time being we should require something like CC-BY-SA on all submission until there is a decision otherwise. -jef From lucas at cefetce.br Mon Jun 16 23:47:23 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:47:23 -0300 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806161544v743778d1n7d96d60a9354058f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806161544v743778d1n7d96d60a9354058f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Srry, I don't understand what you're saying.. can u please re-explain ? :D On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Jonathan Roberts > wrote: > > 2008/6/16 Lucas Saboya : > >> I can try to do this, just tell me what info do you want me to get from > the > >> users, and I'll try to do something here > > > > Basically we want: > > > > Name: > > E-Mail: > > Video URL: > > Video Title: > > Video Description: > > > You need an explicit statement as to the license. For the time being > we should require something like CC-BY-SA on all submission until > there is a decision otherwise. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 00:12:10 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:12:10 -0800 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806161544v743778d1n7d96d60a9354058f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806161712k54fdd066s800f9ebee0d6af9c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/16 Lucas Saboya : > Srry, I don't understand what you're saying.. can u please re-explain ? :D When people are submitting items to the feed, we need the people doing the submission to affirm that the video is copyright licensed under terms that we as a project are okay with. The license that is currently most appropriate is the Create Commons CC-BY-SA license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ We can't have people submitting content that is more restrict than that. We could allow less restrictive licensing but that will complicate the submission. Initially we should just require submitters that the video is licensed under the terms of CC-BY-SA for any work. And then there should be a discussion concerning whether or not we want to allow more licensing options than that. -jef From gelios at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 07:21:53 2008 From: gelios at gmail.com (Zhukov Pavel) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:21:53 +0400 Subject: Fedora 9 Falls A Little Short In-Reply-To: <4856D130.1090502@fedoraproject.org> References: <4856D130.1090502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <448999300806170021o2e82b638jcf747b14ecc9239d@mail.gmail.com> "The Fedora Project is the free community release from enterprise Linux giant Red Hat. It's a testing ground....." https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths#MYTH_-_Fedora_is_unstable_and_unreliable.2C_just_a_testbed_for_bleeding-edge_software On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6492/1/ > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 09:41:51 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:41:51 +0200 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/13 Markus McLaughlin : > The real reason why I came up with the "fedoraLife" concept is to have a > "Fedora Studio" spin established that either has the "fedoraLife" suite that > enhances already established software OR puts the already established > software "front and center." So people who work in multimedia can access > their tools quickly and easily. So, > people, let's see if we ALL can make this happen... > > Mark McLaughlin > linuxglobe.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA, USA > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > There are two promissing projects that are trying to resussect Diva project that failed :( Diva was a really promising simple video editor. Check the background story [1] and my post with video screencast of Diva and additiona links [2]. There are two projects; saya-videoeditor [3] and myvideoeditor [4] Anybody with coding experience is encoraged to joint those projects. [1] http://www.mdk.org.pl/2006/12/7/state-of-diva [2] http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-184428.html [3] http://saya-videoeditor.blogspot.com/ [4] http://myvideoeditor.blogspot.com -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 09:54:46 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:54:46 +0200 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64b14b300806170254t177a2bbdma7eac78dbc7dfa73@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/13 Markus McLaughlin : > The real reason why I came up with the "fedoraLife" concept is to have a > "Fedora Studio" spin established that either has the "fedoraLife" suite that > enhances already established software OR puts the already established > software "front and center." So people who work in multimedia can access > their tools quickly and easily. So, > people, let's see if we ALL can make this happen... > > Mark McLaughlin > linuxglobe.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA, USA > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Also for your consideration: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerCoding/2008/Ideas#Non_linear_ogg_editor.2F_screencast_helper -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 17 13:58:29 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:58:29 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Fedora TV Submission Form - PHP In-Reply-To: References: <507738ef0806170645m13c528adpd80aab674f61655a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806170658l7bffcb89t93401cc5e1fc1dbd@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, Can I get some feedback on this? The third is an easy answer - but the first two are a little trickier. Why can't people just send an e-mail, and I have no idea about legal! Best, Jon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike McGrath Date: 2008/6/17 Subject: Re: Fedora TV Submission Form - PHP To: fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > We've created a channel in Miro, Fedora TV, for use by the marketing > team with things like screencast tutorials/video interviews etc and we > want to make it easy for community people to submit their content. > > To do this, we planned to create a simple web form that collects the > users' data (Name, e-mail, video URL etc) and then sends that off to > an e-mail address. This e-mail address could either belong to a single > editor or a mailing list (the latter is preferred), so that we can > check it's relevant before adding it to the main channel feed for all > the world to see. > > We have a simple script in PHP to collect this form information and > e-mail it, and providing people don't think there are better > approaches to this, we would like to get it hosted so that we can use > it on Fedora Websites. > So I've got a couple of questions.... First of which being why can't people just email this stuff? Second being, and this is probably a question for legal, in order to submit that stuff to us via a web form, wouldn't we need to require cla done? Third being, how large of files are we talking about emailing around (be very specific)? Email and video often seem ill suited to eachother. -Mike _______________________________________________ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 14:06:59 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:06:59 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Fedora TV Submission Form - PHP In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806170658l7bffcb89t93401cc5e1fc1dbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806170645m13c528adpd80aab674f61655a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806170658l7bffcb89t93401cc5e1fc1dbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213711619.3329.45.camel@victoria> On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 14:58 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > Can I get some feedback on this? The third is an easy answer - but the > first two are a little trickier. Why can't people just send an e-mail, > and I have no idea about legal! No idea about the email part -- it sounds do-able, certainly. As for legal, if people are submitting this to something not hosted by Fedora, I don't think our CLA would apply anyway. If we host this kind of channel ourselves, then it does, and people *should* have to complete the CLA. Paul > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mike McGrath > Date: 2008/6/17 > Subject: Re: Fedora TV Submission Form - PHP > To: fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > > > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > > We've created a channel in Miro, Fedora TV, for use by the marketing > > team with things like screencast tutorials/video interviews etc and we > > want to make it easy for community people to submit their content. > > > > To do this, we planned to create a simple web form that collects the > > users' data (Name, e-mail, video URL etc) and then sends that off to > > an e-mail address. This e-mail address could either belong to a single > > editor or a mailing list (the latter is preferred), so that we can > > check it's relevant before adding it to the main channel feed for all > > the world to see. > > > > We have a simple script in PHP to collect this form information and > > e-mail it, and providing people don't think there are better > > approaches to this, we would like to get it hosted so that we can use > > it on Fedora Websites. > > > > So I've got a couple of questions.... First of which being why can't > people just email this stuff? > > Second being, and this is probably a question for legal, in order to > submit that stuff to us via a web form, wouldn't we need to require cla > done? > > Third being, how large of files are we talking about emailing around (be > very specific)? 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The license that is > currently most appropriate is the Create Commons CC-BY-SA license: > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ > > We can't have people submitting content that is more restrict than > that. We could allow less restrictive licensing but that will > complicate the submission. Initially we should just require submitters > that the video is licensed under the terms of CC-BY-SA for any work. > And then there should be a discussion concerning whether or not we > want to allow more licensing options than that. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 20:50:29 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:50:29 -0800 Subject: Screencast Ideas wiki In-Reply-To: References: <4844566B.8070602@gmail.com> <604aa7910806092029i2483d90et19c79b0629670b26@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160735i4bb1c882p25681b2a267d6835@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806160813m55baa969h1490f6e017bf735e@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806161544v743778d1n7d96d60a9354058f@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806161712k54fdd066s800f9ebee0d6af9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806171350i69574abay7e33672744600509@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/17 Lucas Saboya : > Ok, but that is the point since the beginning of the project, I think.. :D I don't anyone is arguing over the point. What I trying to suggest is that being explicit concerning the licensing in the web submission form matters. It should not be implied in the submission form. People submitting videos should actively affirm the licensing so that we have a record that we were told what the copyright license on the material is. We cannot have this project taking in video into a project branded miror channel assuming the licensing is okay. The submitter must tell us explicitly what the licensing is... just like we expect people contributing code into our repository must do as part of the package submission review. John did not include a field for licensing in the list of things the webform needs. I am suggesting that the lack of a licensing field in the webform is an oversight that needs to be corrected. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 21:12:47 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:12:47 -0800 Subject: Fedora TV Submission Form - PHP In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806170658l7bffcb89t93401cc5e1fc1dbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806170645m13c528adpd80aab674f61655a@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806170658l7bffcb89t93401cc5e1fc1dbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806171412h588b18e6h788b129caa769804@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > So I've got a couple of questions.... First of which being why can't > people just email this stuff? They can. How did people add feeds to the planet before it was recently automated? Didn't we essentially email someone and ask them to add our feed? > > Second being, and this is probably a question for legal, in order to > submit that stuff to us via a web form, wouldn't we need to require cla > done? Did people need to have a cla done before adding their feeds to the planet before we automated it? > > Third being, how large of files are we talking about emailing around (be > very specific)? Email and video often seem ill suited to eachother. Until we have internal hosting set aside for content like this... then there is no real space burden. Basically all 'we' are doing right now is compiling a specially formatted RSS feed by hand. At the moment, it really comes down to John acting as an editor for an RSS feed he is accountable for. Adding items to the feed based on his best judgment. By branding it as Fedora channel, we are trusting John's judgment. All I ask is that John make a best effort to assure that the videos he adds are appropriately licensed in a way that is compatible with the project, CC-BY-SA. Of course if this is a useful and popular way to contribute, John will no longer scale as the number of submissions goes up. At that point we'll have to build a structure to support submission in a more organized way. I'm pretty sure submission into the RSS feed would never require a CLA. If videos are hosted externally, we are essentially just linking to them not distributing them. We'd need to make sure we have permission to link and make sure the videos are licensed in a way we are okay with..but that can be handled via RSS submission requests on a per video basis. And similarly, John would have to handle removal requests on a video by video basis if any came in. We may need a group of editors to handle the submission que if this becomes wildly popular and we expand the scope of the types of content we want to broadcast on our branded channel(s). Any project hosting and distribution of the videos will most certainly require a CLA of some sort. We'd most likely would give an editorial board control over how to control the contents of that hosting space. So as long as the editor board had CLA's and all the videos were licensed CC-BY-SA, we've pretty much covered are bases for hosting and distribution. We hold the editorial board accountable as co-maintainers of that hosted material. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 00:57:52 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:57:52 -0800 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > There are two projects; saya-videoeditor [3], myvideoeditor [4] saya currently relies on the OpenVIP media framework..which uses ffmpeg. the reliance on ffmpeg makes its nearly impossible to include in Fedora. I can not stress this enough, applications which have compile time dependencies on ffmpeg will be difficult to place in Fedora. Unless someone figures out how to patch out the encumbered technologies in ffmpeg, we can't ship ffmpeg. And even if we did find a way to patch out everything we can't distribute, it may not be worth doing because we would be in effect shipping a significantly crippled ffmpeg library since ffmpeg does not understand the concept of pluggable runtime codec support. Its a real shame, if we could ship a limited version of ffmpeg which support unencumbered codec technologies we would have the ability to ship versions of several multimedia frameworks and applications. But the way ffmpeg is structured as a project and a codebase, makes its difficult to safely work with. -jef From lucas at cefetce.br Wed Jun 18 01:15:06 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:15:06 -0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: why cant we use another free video format that doesn't have this kind of trouble.. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: > > There are two projects; saya-videoeditor [3], myvideoeditor [4] > > saya currently relies on the OpenVIP media framework..which uses ffmpeg. > the reliance on ffmpeg makes its nearly impossible to include in > Fedora. I can not stress this enough, applications which have compile > time dependencies on ffmpeg will be difficult to place in Fedora. > Unless someone figures out how to patch out the encumbered > technologies in ffmpeg, we can't ship ffmpeg. And even if we did find > a way to patch out everything we can't distribute, it may not be worth > doing because we would be in effect shipping a significantly crippled > ffmpeg library since ffmpeg does not understand the concept of > pluggable runtime codec support. > > Its a real shame, if we could ship a limited version of ffmpeg which > support unencumbered codec technologies we would have the ability to > ship versions of several multimedia frameworks and applications. But > the way ffmpeg is structured as a project and a codebase, makes its > difficult to safely work with. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucas at cefetce.br Wed Jun 18 01:15:54 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:15:54 -0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: why cant we use another free video format that doesn't have this kind of trouble, shouldn't save us a lot of time and sake ? :D On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: > > There are two projects; saya-videoeditor [3], myvideoeditor [4] > > saya currently relies on the OpenVIP media framework..which uses ffmpeg. > the reliance on ffmpeg makes its nearly impossible to include in > Fedora. I can not stress this enough, applications which have compile > time dependencies on ffmpeg will be difficult to place in Fedora. > Unless someone figures out how to patch out the encumbered > technologies in ffmpeg, we can't ship ffmpeg. And even if we did find > a way to patch out everything we can't distribute, it may not be worth > doing because we would be in effect shipping a significantly crippled > ffmpeg library since ffmpeg does not understand the concept of > pluggable runtime codec support. > > Its a real shame, if we could ship a limited version of ffmpeg which > support unencumbered codec technologies we would have the ability to > ship versions of several multimedia frameworks and applications. But > the way ffmpeg is structured as a project and a codebase, makes its > difficult to safely work with. > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 02:44:25 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:14:25 +0530 Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. Message-ID: Hi all, In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing about this idea[1]. Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do some project work on a topic. What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a project to work, some guidence and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this segment :)) This way we can make much more widespread effect as the student partners themselves will spread Fedora within their peers and their college. Also we may talk about officially tie-up with some colleges. The basic idea is here[2]. Now the question id if this is worth taking up. If yes, lets refine it here. [1]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00241.html [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Wed Jun 18 03:32:11 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:32:11 -0700 Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our campus has this thing called Corporate Scholars program where they will do their senior project based on the Corporation actual project. They will be given specifications and so on. I guess this would be a good way if Red Hat would like to sponsor. www.calstatela.edu Let me know anytime because I know the person who's in charge about these stuff.. - Grady On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:44 PM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing about this > idea[1]. > > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this segment :)) > > This way we can make much more widespread effect as the student > partners themselves will spread Fedora within their peers and their > college. > > Also we may talk about officially tie-up with some colleges. > > The basic idea is here[2]. > > Now the question id if this is worth taking up. > If yes, lets refine it here. > > > > [1] > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00241.html > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jun 18 05:46:13 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:46:13 +0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4858A125.9070908@nicubunu.ro> Lucas Saboya wrote: > why cant we use another free video format that doesn't have this kind of > trouble, shouldn't save us a lot of time and sake ? :D We use, the format is Ogg Theora and it is free. The problem is *the tools*. The tools for editing Theora videos are... let's say immature. There are out there a larger number of tools which can also edit Theora videos, but they are intended primarily for other formats (and sometime work internally using those formats), which are not free. > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Jeff Spaleta > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Valent Turkovic > > wrote: > > There are two projects; saya-videoeditor [3], myvideoeditor [4] > > saya currently relies on the OpenVIP media framework..which uses ffmpeg. > the reliance on ffmpeg makes its nearly impossible to include in > Fedora. I can not stress this enough, applications which have compile > time dependencies on ffmpeg will be difficult to place in Fedora. > Unless someone figures out how to patch out the encumbered > technologies in ffmpeg, we can't ship ffmpeg. And even if we did find > a way to patch out everything we can't distribute, it may not be worth > doing because we would be in effect shipping a significantly crippled > ffmpeg library since ffmpeg does not understand the concept of > pluggable runtime codec support. > > Its a real shame, if we could ship a limited version of ffmpeg which > support unencumbered codec technologies we would have the ability to > ship versions of several multimedia frameworks and applications. But > the way ffmpeg is structured as a project and a codebase, makes its > difficult to safely work with. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From sanjay_ankur at yahoo.co.in Wed Jun 18 05:57:40 2008 From: sanjay_ankur at yahoo.co.in (ankur sinha) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:27:40 +0530 (IST) Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <967695.93226.qm@web8413.mail.in.yahoo.com> hi, The idea is really great.. Im a college going student just entering 3rd semester in Computer sciences .. and am already looking for programmes and training to add to my CV for a better job.. My college, Manipal Institute of technology, Manipal, India, has just recently become a part of the Sun academic Initiative, which has some perks.. Such an educational programme from Fedora would be more than a dream come true.. A lot of us go through books and material but teaching yourself is not as efficient as a mentor telling you what to do and helping you apply your knowledge practically.. Please give this programme thought.. A few hours a week will be enough from the mentors and there will be plenty of students who are interested and want to learn and contribute.. Ankur --- On Wed, 18/6/08, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > From: susmit shannigrahi > Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" , fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Cc: "Sankarshan da" > Date: Wednesday, 18 June, 2008, 8:14 AM > Hi all, > > In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing > about this idea[1]. > > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students > need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them > with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target > this segment :)) > > This way we can make much more widespread effect as the > student > partners themselves will spread Fedora within their peers > and their > college. > > Also we may talk about officially tie-up with some > colleges. > > The basic idea is here[2]. > > Now the question id if this is worth taking up. > If yes, lets refine it here. > > > > [1]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00241.html > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/ From sanjay_ankur at yahoo.co.in Wed Jun 18 06:03:49 2008 From: sanjay_ankur at yahoo.co.in (ankur sinha) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:33:49 +0530 (IST) Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775587.63923.qm@web8415.mail.in.yahoo.com> hi, also this link says the programme is already there for ambassadors.. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme I happen to be an ambassador although i cant contribute much at this stage.. can someone please tell me the procedure of requesting a mentor and choosing a project etc.?? so i could contribute a little quicker?? --- On Wed, 18/6/08, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > From: susmit shannigrahi > Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. > To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" , fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Cc: "Sankarshan da" > Date: Wednesday, 18 June, 2008, 8:14 AM > Hi all, > > In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing > about this idea[1]. > > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students > need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them > with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target > this segment :)) > > This way we can make much more widespread effect as the > student > partners themselves will spread Fedora within their peers > and their > college. > > Also we may talk about officially tie-up with some > colleges. > > The basic idea is here[2]. > > Now the question id if this is worth taking up. > If yes, lets refine it here. > > > > [1]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00241.html > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Check out the all-new face of Yahoo! India. Go to http://in.yahoo.com/ From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 18 06:14:08 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:14:08 +0100 Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507738ef0806172314y7f4efd53j758dbb8ccfb34bd1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/18 susmit shannigrahi : > Hi all, > > In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing about this idea[1]. > > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this segment :)) This is a very cool idea, and has actually come up recently a few times: The Fedora University Tour has turned up an initiative to create an open source curriculum with Seneca(?) The f-advisory-board list were talking about restating the mentors program Internships are being plotted Hans De Goede (I believe) gets his students to port applications over and packages them for Fedora I'll try and find links later, but these are all things that are worth following up and the people behind them may be good people to get in touch with about creating something more uniform :) Best, Jon From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 06:15:27 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:45:27 +0530 Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: <775587.63923.qm@web8415.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <775587.63923.qm@web8415.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I happen to be an ambassador although i cant contribute much at this stage.. can someone please tell me the procedure of requesting a mentor and choosing a project etc.?? so i could contribute a little quicker?? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mentors -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 08:51:01 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:21:01 +0530 Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4858CC75.3030600@gmail.com> susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this segment :)) Quite by chance this was the same topic that I broached to Spot yesterday afternoon. And it turns out that a good place to push these potential contributors would be towards doing "Fedora QE" starting up with learning how to triage, process and work the bug queue and additionally coming up with Test Cases. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From lucas at cefetce.br Wed Jun 18 12:05:59 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:05:59 -0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <4858A125.9070908@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> <4858A125.9070908@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: I know, but what about make our own OGG editing tool ? something like FedoraMovie, or something like that.. :D On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Lucas Saboya wrote: > >> why cant we use another free video format that doesn't have this kind of >> trouble, shouldn't save us a lot of time and sake ? :D >> > > We use, the format is Ogg Theora and it is free. > The problem is *the tools*. The tools for editing Theora videos are... > let's say immature. > There are out there a larger number of tools which can also edit Theora > videos, but they are intended primarily for other formats (and sometime work > internally using those formats), which are not free. > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Jeff Spaleta > jspaleta at gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Valent Turkovic >> > wrote: >> > There are two projects; saya-videoeditor [3], myvideoeditor [4] >> >> saya currently relies on the OpenVIP media framework..which uses >> ffmpeg. >> the reliance on ffmpeg makes its nearly impossible to include in >> Fedora. I can not stress this enough, applications which have compile >> time dependencies on ffmpeg will be difficult to place in Fedora. >> Unless someone figures out how to patch out the encumbered >> technologies in ffmpeg, we can't ship ffmpeg. And even if we did find >> a way to patch out everything we can't distribute, it may not be worth >> doing because we would be in effect shipping a significantly crippled >> ffmpeg library since ffmpeg does not understand the concept of >> pluggable runtime codec support. >> >> Its a real shame, if we could ship a limited version of ffmpeg which >> support unencumbered codec technologies we would have the ability to >> ship versions of several multimedia frameworks and applications. But >> the way ffmpeg is structured as a project and a codebase, makes its >> difficult to safely work with. >> > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jun 18 13:23:56 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:23:56 +0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> <4858A125.9070908@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <48590C6C.7020501@nicubunu.ro> Lucas Saboya wrote: > I know, but what about make our own OGG editing tool ? > something like FedoraMovie, or something like that.. :D First: *who?* Who are the developers supposed to create this tool? You? And second: *why?* You know, this is Open Source... if the application is good everyone will include it and you, the developer, will want patched from everyone. > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > We use, the format is Ogg Theora and it is free. > The problem is *the tools*. The tools for editing Theora videos > are... let's say immature. > There are out there a larger number of tools which can also edit > Theora videos, but they are intended primarily for other formats > (and sometime work internally using those formats), which are not free. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From rick.g777 at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 14:03:49 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:03:49 -0500 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... Message-ID: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 8:57 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > There are two projects; saya-videoeditor [3], myvideoeditor [4] > > saya currently relies on the OpenVIP media framework..which uses ffmpeg. > the reliance on ffmpeg makes its nearly impossible to include in > Fedora. I can not stress this enough, applications which have compile > time dependencies on ffmpeg will be difficult to place in Fedora. > Unless someone figures out how to patch out the encumbered > technologies in ffmpeg, we can't ship ffmpeg. And even if we did find > a way to patch out everything we can't distribute, it may not be worth > doing because we would be in effect shipping a significantly crippled > ffmpeg library since ffmpeg does not understand the concept of > pluggable runtime codec support. > > Its a real shame, if we could ship a limited version of ffmpeg which > support unencumbered codec technologies we would have the ability to > ship versions of several multimedia frameworks and applications. But > the way ffmpeg is structured as a project and a codebase, makes its > difficult to safely work with. > > -jef Hello. I'm Rick Garcia, from the Saya video editor. I have designed Saya so it can use *ANY* decoding library. It's not hardwired to FFMPEG and not even OpenVIP. Since OpenVIP was made GPLv3 just a few days ago, I can do whatever I want with it, like stripping FFMPEG support. The OpenVIP library is going to be embedded - not just linked - in the project. Actually, I'm going to separate OpenVIP from the codec processing so I can implement file decoding via plugins. But my dream codec library would be one with a pluggable architecture, so people could add their popular patent-encumbered codecs to it. But it needs to be cross-platform (i.e. Windows / Linux). If you know one, please don't hesitate in telling me. Sincerely, Rick Garcia Saya-VE Project Leader P.S. Now, where do I subscribe to this list? From lucas at cefetce.br Wed Jun 18 14:18:14 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:18:14 -0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <48590C6C.7020501@nicubunu.ro> References: <64b14b300806170241k2aac9e8dm198150d527dd060b@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806171757n69c49f46s43da1bf7b446238b@mail.gmail.com> <4858A125.9070908@nicubunu.ro> <48590C6C.7020501@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: > > First: *who?* Who are the developers supposed to create this tool? You? I can help develp this, but obviously I cant do this by my own, dont we have a developers list ? why cant they help us out ? :) And second: *why?* You know, this is Open Source... if the application > is good everyone will include it and you, the developer, will want > patched from everyone Now exactly, I managed a team who develop only oper-source stuff, kind'a get used to it, and I don't see any problem with the developing a good tool and everybody uses thing.. this is the way thing oper-source works, I think.. we develop a good tool everybody likes it, uses it and modify it, the fact that this tool theorically will be released on GNU license, makes it pretty sure clear that we developed the tool, and released the codes and ww want the credits for it, as GNU says you have to give the original developer their credit to.. I think it's pretty much a metter of well spent time and some codding, from we get what we want, the so called FedoraMovie, or something like that... On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Lucas Saboya wrote: > >> I know, but what about make our own OGG editing tool ? >> something like FedoraMovie, or something like that.. :D >> > > First: *who?* Who are the developers supposed to create this tool? You? > > And second: *why?* You know, this is Open Source... if the application > is good everyone will include it and you, the developer, will want > patched from everyone. > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >> We use, the format is Ogg Theora and it is free. >> The problem is *the tools*. The tools for editing Theora videos >> are... let's say immature. >> There are out there a larger number of tools which can also edit >> Theora videos, but they are intended primarily for other formats >> (and sometime work internally using those formats), which are not free. >> > > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Wed Jun 18 14:23:32 2008 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:23:32 +0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48591A64.6070303@nicubunu.ro> Ricardo Garcia wrote: > > Hello. I'm Rick Garcia, from the Saya video editor. I have designed > Saya so it can use *ANY* decoding library. It's not hardwired to > FFMPEG and not even OpenVIP. Since OpenVIP was made GPLv3 just a few > days ago, I can do whatever I want with it, like stripping FFMPEG > support. The OpenVIP library is going to be embedded - not just linked > - in the project. Actually, I'm going to separate OpenVIP from the > codec processing so I can implement file decoding via plugins. > > But my dream codec library would be one with a pluggable architecture, > so people could add their popular patent-encumbered codecs to it. But > it needs to be cross-platform (i.e. Windows / Linux). If you know one, > please don't hesitate in telling me. That sounds an awfully lot like GStreamer. And I believe GStreamer dews work on Windows and Mac (or is being actively ported to). > Sincerely, > Rick Garcia > Saya-VE Project Leader > > P.S. Now, where do I subscribe to this list? Here: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 14:27:21 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:27:21 -0800 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806180727u789dd4b3r5d12bfd58ab02612@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Ricardo Garcia wrote: > Hello. I'm Rick Garcia, from the Saya video editor. I have designed > Saya so it can use *ANY* decoding library. It's not hardwired to > FFMPEG and not even OpenVIP. Since OpenVIP was made GPLv3 just a few > days ago, I can do whatever I want with it, like stripping FFMPEG > support. The OpenVIP library is going to be embedded - not just linked > - in the project. Actually, I'm going to separate OpenVIP from the > codec processing so I can implement file decoding via plugins. Both gstreamer and xine-libs are currently constructed in a way to allow for pluggable codec support. Any application which makes use of gstreamer or xine, we can ship as part of Fedora with open codec support working out of the box, and then users can install addon software for additional plugin support of additional codecs. If you plan to have OpenVIP to make use of plugins you make want to look at how both of these existing projects accomplish it. -jef From rick.g777 at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 15:33:32 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:33:32 -0600 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Ricardo Garcia wrote: >> >> But my dream codec library would be one with a pluggable architecture, >> so people could add their popular patent-encumbered codecs to it. But >> it needs to be cross-platform (i.e. Windows / Linux). If you know one, >> please don't hesitate in telling me. > > That sounds an awfully lot like GStreamer. And I believe GStreamer dews work > on Windows and Mac (or is being actively ported to). I see. I'll investigate further. Thank you. From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 04:44:50 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:14:50 +0530 Subject: Page for tracking local Media requests. Message-ID: I have created a page under LocalContacts[1] page to track the requests fulfilled by local contacts. A single person is often calling up all the contacts. :) The page is here. Please fill in the data when you fulfill a request. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts/LocalRequests [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From arnavkalra007 at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 07:44:47 2008 From: arnavkalra007 at gmail.com (Arnav Kalra) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:14:47 +0530 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 48, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <20080618160013.A595761AF21@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080618160013.A595761AF21@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <5ac533d50806190044s1e4721dq861483b1dcad92f2@mail.gmail.com> we can also have a half completed project and students can take guidance from it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 19 19:06:03 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:36:03 +0530 Subject: Java is finally Free and Open Message-ID: <485AAE1B.4030309@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://blog.softwhere.org/archives/196 http://digg.com/software/Java_finally_open_and_free "This week the IcedTea Project reached an important milestone - The latest OpenJDK binary included in Fedora 9 (x86 and x86_64) passes the rigorous Java Test Compatibility Kit (TCK). This means that it provides all the required Java APIs and behaves like any other Java SE 6 implementation - in keeping with the portability goal of the Java platform. As of writing, Fedora 9 is the only operating system to include a free and open Java SE 6 implementation that has passed the Java TCK. All of the code that makes this possible has been made available to the IcedTea project so everyone can benefit from the work." Rahul From rick.g777 at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 18:29:04 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:29:04 -0600 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> A new note on OpenVIP. I got a mail from Antonin Slavik, the OpenVIP author, and he gives me these great news: --- snip --- Hi Rick, the only part of OpenVIP that is ffmpeg-dependent are the FFMpegInput and FFMpegOutput plugins. So it would be relatively easy to get rid of ffmpeg by writing different I/O plugins, provided that you find another good encoding/decoding library. We have chosen ffmpeg simply because it supports a lot of formats and codecs, and because it runs both under Linux and Windows. The annoying thing is a poor documentation and unstable API. --- /snip --- Regarding FFMPEG and decoding libraries, I don't quite think GStreamer is what i'm looking for. That library is too extense - it handles synchronization, threading, audio and video streaming, and a lot of stuff that I *don't need. Besides, I haven't found anything about codecs in its webpage (maybe i didn't search enough). If anyone knows of a codec library besides ffmpeg that I can use, please share. Finally, what are the patent-encumbered formats and codecs that ffmpeg (I mean libavcodec and libavformat) includes? Having a particular list would be very helpful. Sincerely, Rick Garcia. Saya-VE, Project Leader. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 21:38:18 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:38:18 -0800 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Ricardo Garcia wrote: > If anyone knows of a codec library besides ffmpeg that I can use, please share. . Does xine-libs work for you? > Finally, what are the patent-encumbered formats and codecs that ffmpeg > (I mean libavcodec and libavformat) includes? Having a particular list > would be very helpful. To get an idea of what is being talked about. Take a look at xine-lib, xine-lib-extras as packaged in Fedora then look at xine-lib-extras-nonfree as packaged in Livna. You may want to have a discussion with the xine-lib and xine-lib-extras-nonfree maintainer(s) concerning the history on how such a split was decided. You'll note that even xine-lib-extras-nonfree ends up using libavcodec. Quite frankly I don't think there is a way to avoid using libavcodec for somethings. The ultimate problem is ffmpeg has made no effort to make it easy to use what libavcodec provides in a modular fashion and lump all capability into a compile time choices instead of run time detection. -jef From rick.g777 at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 22:13:37 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:13:37 -0600 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> > The ultimate problem is ffmpeg has made no > effort to make it easy to use what libavcodec provides in a modular > fashion and lump all capability into a compile time choices instead of > run time detection. Now *THAT* is a good idea for a project. Forking libavcodec and making a nice C++ pluggable interface to it. If you want your module, just compile it using the "insert your codec library here" API and have the plugin in .so format. I think this idea is advanced and interesting enough for people to get interested. And say the sooner this is started, the better. I absolutely hate to depend on an unstable and ever-changing API. Volunteers? :) From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 23:17:12 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:17:12 -0700 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Ricardo Garcia wrote: > Forking libavcodec and making a nice C++ pluggable interface to it. If > you want your module, just compile it using the "insert your codec > library here" API and have the plugin in .so format. I think FORKING ffmpeg is a very very bad idea. A bad use of resources and a very bad thing for Fedora as a project to get behind. Forking upstream codebases is absolutely NOT what we should be doing. As a project, we must engage with the existing ffmpeg developers and offer to do the work necessary to make the ffmpeg codebase flexible enough to meet our needs. Doing an end run around the upstream developers is not how we should do things. Unless the ffmpeg developers show a complete unwillingness to work with us, then I will actively and vocally discourage any call to fork the codebase. Its not clear to me if there has been a reasonable discussion inside ffmpeg about the possibility of restructuring the codebase if there were developers interested in doing it as part of the ffmpeg roadmap. -jef From rick.g777 at gmail.com Fri Jun 20 02:14:19 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:14:19 -0500 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Unless the ffmpeg developers show a complete unwillingness to work > with us, then I will actively and vocally discourage any call to fork > the codebase. Its not clear to me if there has been a reasonable > discussion inside ffmpeg about the possibility of restructuring the > codebase if there were developers interested in doing it as part of > the ffmpeg roadmap. >From what I've read in various web rants, I think they're not interested... particularly I mean this long discussion thread, entitled "Using ffmpeg libs in an OSS project is a nightmare" - http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2005-August/002989.html which was linked from this blog page: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=148. The entry says: --- snip --- Guess what happens when someone complains to ffmpeg developers that their software management and API suck. Well, he gets answered repeatedly to include a CVS snapshot of ffmpeg and link statically against it, "like everyone does". Splendid. --- /snip --- More disturbing is comment 9039 at the blog, by one of the actual ffmpeg devs (and this was written in August last year) : --- snip --- Justin Says: That link to the ffmpeg-devel archives is 2 years old. Not that the problem has gotten any better, but there have at least been some good discussions on the topic since then. Inevitably they all lead to the same end though. The typical response from FFmpeg developers (and I am one of them) to making official releases is "we really don't have the time. do you have the time? do you want to do it?". So as long as nobody volunteers, it won't get done. It's not that most of us wouldn't like to see nice, clean, stable releases, it's that it is a *volunteer* project with nobody currently willing to give the time and effort to take on the task of release management. Gasper suggested that someone set up a site for unofficial releases. Well it's easier than that; just volunteer to create and maintain official ones." --- /snip --- Personally, I think stopping ffmpeg development for 2, 3 or even 6 months to do a code restructuring is indeed worth it (the mozilla guys did it, and now we have Firefox thanks to them). Perhaps it would be nice to ask the ffmpeg devs again, who knows? It might just work - specially coming from the Fedora marketing team ;-) From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 20 04:12:24 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:12:24 -0700 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ricardo Garcia wrote: > Personally, I think stopping ffmpeg development for 2, 3 or even 6 > months to do a code restructuring is indeed worth it (the mozilla guys > did it, and now we have Firefox thanks to them). Perhaps it would be > nice to ask the ffmpeg devs again, who knows? It might just work - > specially coming from the Fedora marketing team ;-) If you want to step up and help them change to be more compatible with our policy, you are welcome to do that. But you sure as hell better not walk into their process telling them what they do sucks. You MUST approach the conversation without judgment or blame and you must do what you can to show that you are serious about doing the hard work necessary to help them restructure in a way that is compatible with our policy so that our users can benefit from their work. We can not blame them for not caring about what we care about. Everyone works on projects for their own reasons. If they don't care about the issues of patent encumbrance or API stability, that does not devalue the work they do. They simply have different interests. What matters is if that their project structure is open enough to include new people with new interests who are willing to work in good faith to make ffmpeg easier to use and distribute. And we aren't going to find that out if people want into their process telling them what they are doing is wrong. It's not wrong, its just not what we need. So we need people in our community who have the development skills, and a civil tongue, to offer to help them make ffmpeg a better fit for our needs in a way, for the greater benefit of all. -jef From fugolini at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 20 09:06:12 2008 From: fugolini at fedoraproject.org (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:06:12 +0200 Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/6/18, susmit shannigrahi : > Hi all, > > In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing about this > idea[1]. > > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this segment :)) > > This way we can make much more widespread effect as the student > partners themselves will spread Fedora within their peers and their > college. > > Also we may talk about officially tie-up with some colleges. > > The basic idea is here[2]. > > Now the question id if this is worth taking up. > If yes, lets refine it here. > > > > [1]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00241.html > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list I agree with your idea, i think it could be a perfect propeller for the whole project. Now i think it's necessary a working plan, maybe you could see the previous Fedora Student SIG (or something similar), and eventually find a group of people who can work in the organization. FAmSCo could help in this way, but before it's interesting to see what people think. Thank you Francesco Ugolini From lucas at cefetce.br Fri Jun 20 12:07:58 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:07:58 -0300 Subject: Now, that I got people talking... In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeff Spaleta, if you want some help doing this, let me know and I'll help you every way I can :) including talking to the ffmpeg people :) Lucas do Amaral, Fedora Ambassador - Brazil -- 2008/6/20 Jeff Spaleta : > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ricardo Garcia > wrote: > > Personally, I think stopping ffmpeg development for 2, 3 or even 6 > > months to do a code restructuring is indeed worth it (the mozilla guys > > did it, and now we have Firefox thanks to them). Perhaps it would be > > nice to ask the ffmpeg devs again, who knows? It might just work - > > specially coming from the Fedora marketing team ;-) > > If you want to step up and help them change to be more compatible with > our policy, you are welcome to do that. But you sure as hell better > not walk into their process telling them what they do sucks. You MUST > approach the conversation without judgment or blame and you must do > what you can to show that you are serious about doing the hard work > necessary to help them restructure in a way that is compatible with > our policy so that our users can benefit from their work. > > We can not blame them for not caring about what we care about. > Everyone works on projects for their own reasons. If they don't care > about the issues of patent encumbrance or API stability, that does not > devalue the work they do. They simply have different interests. What > matters is if that their project structure is open enough to include > new people with new interests who are willing to work in good faith to > make ffmpeg easier to use and distribute. And we aren't going to find > that out if people want into their process telling them what they are > doing is wrong. It's not wrong, its just not what we need. So we need > people in our community who have the development skills, and a civil > tongue, to offer to help them make ffmpeg a better fit for our needs > in a way, for the greater benefit of all. > > > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will definitely talk to the college authorities and let you know the outcome. Yours sincerely, Dipanjan Chakraborty. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:14 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing about this > idea[1]. > > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this segment :)) > > This way we can make much more widespread effect as the student > partners themselves will spread Fedora within their peers and their > college. > > Also we may talk about officially tie-up with some colleges. > > The basic idea is here[2]. > > Now the question id if this is worth taking up. > If yes, lets refine it here. > > > > [1] > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00241.html > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:14 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing about this > idea[1]. > > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this segment :)) > > This way we can make much more widespread effect as the student > partners themselves will spread Fedora within their peers and their > college. > > Also we may talk about officially tie-up with some colleges. > > The basic idea is here[2]. > > Now the question id if this is worth taking up. > If yes, lets refine it here. > > > > [1] > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00241.html > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sat Jun 21 16:19:55 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:49:55 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > This is really great news. I am a student of 4th semester B.Tech in > Information Technology at RCC Institute of Information Technology, Kolkata. > I am sure my college will jump at this idea. It will really be glad to host > Fedora conferences and seminars. We already have a functioning Linux Users' > Group and this will be an added boost. The students will also lap up the > idea of projects. I will definitely talk to the college authorities and let > you know the outcome. Ah, that's nice. Please go on. We will support you with whatever we can from our part. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com Sat Jun 21 16:27:36 2008 From: chakraborty.dipanjan at gmail.com (Dipanjan Chakraborty) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:57:36 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. Will definitely talk to our Training and Placement department on Monday and let you know of the updates. Dipanjan Chakraborty. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > > This is really great news. I am a student of 4th semester B.Tech in > > Information Technology at RCC Institute of Information Technology, > Kolkata. > > I am sure my college will jump at this idea. It will really be glad to > host > > Fedora conferences and seminars. We already have a functioning Linux > Users' > > Group and this will be an added boost. The students will also lap up the > > idea of projects. I will definitely talk to the college authorities and > let > > you know the outcome. > > Ah, that's nice. Please go on. > We will support you with whatever we can from our part. > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unix-advocate at gmx.com Sat Jun 21 21:09:24 2008 From: unix-advocate at gmx.com (Chip Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:09:24 -0400 Subject: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FBD1986-D892-4D65-BBEB-6CCF30824344@gmx.com> I my self am a student currentslly studinh for the comptai A * and Net plus this coming fall which means I,ok need access to mentor or better yet support at areduced price. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2008, at 12:16 PM, "Dipanjan Chakraborty" wrote: > This is really great news. I am a student of 4th semester B.Tech in > Information Technology at RCC Institute of Information Technology, > Kolkata. I am sure my college will jump at this idea. It will really > be glad to host Fedora conferences and seminars. We already have a > functioning Linux Users' Group and this will be an added boost. The > students will also lap up the idea of projects. I will definitely > talk to the college authorities and let you know the outcome. > > Yours sincerely, > Dipanjan Chakraborty. > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:14 AM, susmit shannigrahi > wrote: > Hi all, > > In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing about > this idea[1]. > > Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do > some project work on a topic. > What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. > > we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a > project to work, some guidence > and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this > segment :)) > > This way we can make much more widespread effect as the student > partners themselves will spread Fedora within their peers and their > college. > > Also we may talk about officially tie-up with some colleges. > > The basic idea is here[2]. > > Now the question id if this is worth taking up. > If yes, lets refine it here. > > > > [1]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-June/msg00241.html > [2]http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-Student_Mentor_Programme > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow. Some really interesting traffic all of a sudden. Seems like the f-mktg-list is turning into the f-video-list. :) Comments inline. On Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ricardo Garcia wrote: >> Personally, I think stopping ffmpeg development for 2, 3 or even 6 >> months to do a code restructuring is indeed worth it (the mozilla guys >> did it, and now we have Firefox thanks to them). Perhaps it would be >> nice to ask the ffmpeg devs again, who knows? It might just work - >> specially coming from the Fedora marketing team ;-) Oh, Rick, if only we had those magical powers. :) We may be able to use our name to open a legitimate discussion, though. The absolute key is to be able to bring resources to the table who can actually do the work. In the world of Free Video, this seems to be the hardest challenge. > If you want to step up and help them change to be more compatible with > our policy, you are welcome to do that. But you sure as hell better not > walk into their process telling them what they do sucks. You MUST > approach the conversation without judgment or blame and you must do what > you can to show that you are serious about doing the hard work necessary > to help them restructure in a way that is compatible with our policy so > that our users can benefit from their work. Yep. > We can not blame them for not caring about what we care about. Everyone > works on projects for their own reasons. If they don't care about the > issues of patent encumbrance or API stability, that does not devalue the > work they do. They simply have different interests. What matters is if > that their project structure is open enough to include new people with > new interests who are willing to work in good faith to make ffmpeg > easier to use and distribute. And we aren't going to find that out if > people want into their process telling them what they are doing is > wrong. It's not wrong, its just not what we need. So we need people in > our community who have the development skills, and a civil tongue, to > offer to help them make ffmpeg a better fit for our needs in a way, for > the greater benefit of all. Yep again. This is why Jef is on the Fedora board. ;) Still, in a code project, nothing talks like code. Sometimes the best thing to do is just write some code. When the project maintainers say "we don't have time to do this work," frequently the most useful question to ask next is, "do you have time to describe the work so I can do it for you?" Because that really is the key part of the task: actually understanding what work needs to be done, and why. The ffmpeg guys likely have thought about the problem space, and have some idea about how to solve it, but don't have the motivation. Maybe we can help them find that motivation. Maybe you can locate "the right guy" and pick his brain. Maybe offer him beer. Maybe, if he's *really* "the right guy", and Rick, you are *really* "the other right guy", Red Hat could figure out how to get you in the same place, at the same time, to work on the project together for a weekend. As far as "forking" goes, sometimes it's necessary to carry a temporary fork. I don't know what the project velocity of ffmpeg looks like, but it's my guess that a lot of the key bits don't change much, and a "fork" that conclusively proves its value can usually be merged without too much trouble. Especially if everyone shares that goal up front. Anyway, thanks for showing up to the party, Rick. You may be the guy we've been looking for. (Oh, and Lucas: maybe you're the guy we've been looking for also. Basically, whoever Shows Us The Code, wins.) --g From rick.g777 at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 16:11:16 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:11:16 -0600 Subject: Fixing ffmpeg (was: people talking...) In-Reply-To: References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50b116700806230911j5dd2b215m3d3308e71a5005df@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > > Still, in a code project, nothing talks like code. Sometimes the best thing > to do is just write some code. > The ffmpeg guys likely have thought about the problem space, and have some > idea about how to solve it, but don't have the motivation. Maybe we can > help them find that motivation. Maybe you can locate "the right guy" and > pick his brain. Maybe offer him beer. Maybe, if he's *really* "the right > guy", and Rick, you are *really* "the other right guy", > Red Hat could figure > out how to get you in the same place, at the same time, to work on the > project together for a weekend. Wait wait wait - when you say ' and Rick, you are *really* "the other right guy",', is that included in the *if*, or it's actually an affirmation? If it's an affirmation, well,there's a little problem (besides the busy schedule)... ffmpeg is written in pure C, while I believe C++ is more appropriate (IMO it's cleaner, more versatile (even if we decide not to use exceptions). Virtual functions, IMHO, were made exactly for this kind of problem - getting a file's video/audio with a different codec. There are projects (like fobs.sourceforge.net) which wrap ffmpeg under a C++ interface, but it's like pinching a giant blob of flesh and organs (think oversized Tetsuo in the movie "Akira") and getting pipes out of it. It's just not the same, and the problem is worked around rather than solved. I had tried to do this on my own a few years ago, but after seeing the maze of code that ffmpeg is, I gave up only a week after I started. (Then again, I was younger and inexperienced). So, when I said "fork", I meant "take each libavcodec/libavformat module, clean it up and make it internally C++, with a C interface". I don't know if I could do it, but the greatest problem will be trying to talk to the ffmpeg guys. I fear that If by some mistake I end up saying the wrong thing (like suggesting to use C++, it could start an epic flame war), they'll kick me out. So how do I say "hey guys, I'd really like you to stop adding new things, do a code freeze and make an official release so we can all be happy everafter"? The guy I quoted tried to do the same (completely in the wrong way, I admit) but he made his point clear (I read all the thread), and yet it was completely rejected (there's no official ffmpeg release up to this date). If the authors don't have time to do a code freeze to make a release, how come they do have time to do more development and add the snow codec and other stuff? This, I fail to understand. But then again, who am I to complain, if I haven't contributed anything? (Allow me to disgress a little:This "I haven't contributed, therefore I have no right to complain" is the lamest excuse I've been told more than once in open source projects - ffmpeg excluded because I haven't asked yet, but the fear is there - . Just because I'm not a member of the team I'm not allowed to complain about something I don't like? If I complain, I'm not welcome. If I try to join the project just to "fix my bug" because nobody would accept my patch (as it happened in a php project - which became obsolete by now, btw), I'm set aside. If I fork, I'm a code stealer and a traitor. So how on earth am I supposed to deal with that? God help us.) But I guess I'll have to start thinking how to solve the problem when I touch the ffmpeg code again for my video editor project. I think I'll be more qualified to complain when I actually get to understand the code a little better. But now that I think of it... perhaps we should start with a much more friendly step: Documenting libavcodec and libavformat. And by documenting, I don't mean "list all functions and explain their parameters", but rather "do a full documentation, make UML diagrams and make some sense out of this mess, with practical examples". If this is already done elsewhere, please share! If not, please help! Perhaps that would be a much better task and it will flatten the terrain for further negotiations / forks / patches etc. What do you guys think? From pcalarco at nd.edu Mon Jun 23 16:47:55 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:47:55 -0400 Subject: Distrowatch: From Fedora 9 to OpenSUSE 11 Message-ID: <485FD3BB.7080500@nd.edu> The Distrowatch editor has been using Fedora 9 since release and is now moving over to try out SUSE 11.0. He makes a few comments about Fedora 9: "Before taking a first look at Novell's community distribution, let me start with a few remarks on Fedora's last two releases. It seems to be a trend among Linux distributions that an excellent release is often followed by a mediocre one. It's as if the distribution developers became complacent after one or two successful versions, thinking that nothing could possible go wrong six months down the line. As such, they get more adventurous, make wrong decisions, and add experimental features, the combination of which is often disastrous. With Fedora 9, I feel that the developers have negated all the great work they had done with previous 2 - 3 releases and went overboard with bleeding-edge software and features. No wonder Fedora 9 received barely a lukewarm reception by most reviewers, while many users were much less kind in their choice of words when describing their own experiences. My sentiments are no different from those expressed in many recent reviews. Fedora 8 was possibly the project's best release to-date - certainly not without its problems, but generally trouble-free, especially after the first waves of post-release bug fixes and software updates were applied to the distribution. On the other hand, Fedora 9 barely qualifies as a stable release. The decision to provide KDE 4 as the only KDE desktop was a painfully wrong one, particularly at the time when the vocal Fedora KDE team has been campaigning hard to convince the Linux community that Fedora was not a GNOME distro any more. And shipping a version of X.Org that did not work with any of the proprietary NVIDIA drivers also must have cost the distribution a few users." http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080623#feature - pascal From gdk at redhat.com Mon Jun 23 17:04:11 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fixing ffmpeg (was: people talking...) In-Reply-To: <50b116700806230911j5dd2b215m3d3308e71a5005df@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <485919F3.2000705@nicubunu.ro> <50b116700806180833y56c0a817k4b90011e1232b6ee@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806230911j5dd2b215m3d3308e71a5005df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, Ricardo Garcia wrote: > Wait wait wait - when you say ' and Rick, you are *really* "the other > right guy",', is that included in the *if*, or it's actually an > affirmation? Looks like I dropped an "if". But honestly, you're the rightest guy I've seen come along so far. :) > If it's an affirmation, well,there's a little problem (besides the busy > schedule)... ffmpeg is written in pure C, while I believe C++ is more > appropriate (IMO it's cleaner, more versatile (even if we decide not to > use exceptions). Virtual functions, IMHO, were made exactly for this > kind of problem - getting a file's video/audio with a different codec. > There are projects (like fobs.sourceforge.net) which wrap ffmpeg under a > C++ interface, but it's like pinching a giant blob of flesh and organs > (think oversized Tetsuo in the movie "Akira") and getting pipes out of > it. It's just not the same, and the problem is worked around rather than > solved. I had tried to do this on my own a few years ago, but after > seeing the maze of code that ffmpeg is, I gave up only a week after I > started. (Then again, I was younger and inexperienced). > > So, when I said "fork", I meant "take each libavcodec/libavformat > module, clean it up and make it internally C++, with a C interface". Hm. Well, that would imply that you would probably become the owner of those modules. Which may or may not be something you're up to doing. > I don't know if I could do it, but the greatest problem will be trying > to talk to the ffmpeg guys. I fear that If by some mistake I end up > saying the wrong thing (like suggesting to use C++, it could start an > epic flame war), they'll kick me out. So how do I say "hey guys, I'd > really like you to stop adding new things, do a code freeze and make > an official release so we can all be happy everafter"? It's a difficult question. Sometimes the only thing that convinces folks is code. > The guy I quoted tried to do the same (completely in the wrong way, I > admit) but he made his point clear (I read all the thread), and yet it > was completely rejected (there's no official ffmpeg release up to this > date). If the authors don't have time to do a code freeze to make a > release, how come they do have time to do more development and add the > snow codec and other stuff? This, I fail to understand. But then again, > who am I to complain, if I haven't contributed anything? > > (Allow me to disgress a little:This "I haven't contributed, therefore > I have no right to complain" is the lamest excuse I've been told more > than once in open source projects - ffmpeg excluded because I haven't > asked yet, but the fear is there - . Just because I'm not a member of > the team I'm not allowed to complain about something I don't like? If > I complain, I'm not welcome. If I try to join the project just to "fix > my bug" because nobody would accept my patch (as it happened in a php > project - which became obsolete by now, btw), I'm set aside. If I > fork, I'm a code stealer and a traitor. So how on earth am I supposed > to deal with that? God help us.) > > But I guess I'll have to start thinking how to solve the problem when I > touch the ffmpeg code again for my video editor project. I think I'll be > more qualified to complain when I actually get to understand the code a > little better. > > But now that I think of it... perhaps we should start with a much more > friendly step: Documenting libavcodec and libavformat. And by > documenting, I don't mean "list all functions and explain their > parameters", but rather "do a full documentation, make UML diagrams and > make some sense out of this mess, with practical examples". If this is > already done elsewhere, please share! If not, please help! > > Perhaps that would be a much better task and it will flatten the terrain > for further negotiations / forks / patches etc. > > What do you guys think? Well, contributing something that's actually useful to the community almost always gives one the necessary prestige to tackle the more difficult tasks. Documentation is one of those things that's *incredibly* valuable to newbies, but frequently doesn't get written because by the time one understands everything necessary to write the docs, one no longer needs the docs. So that sounds like a great start. And if it's work you need to do anyway for other reasons, it sounds like a win to me. --g From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 24 00:28:43 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:58:43 +0530 Subject: Kernel Driver Statement Message-ID: <48603FBB.2040808@fedoraproject.org> Hi, "We, the undersigned Linux kernel developers, consider any closed-source Linux kernel module or driver to be harmful and undesirable. We have repeatedly found them to be detrimental to Linux users, businesses, and the greater Linux ecosystem. Such modules negate the openness, stability, flexibility, and maintainability of the Linux development model and shut their users off from the expertise of the Linux community. Vendors that provide closed-source kernel modules force their customers to give up key Linux advantages or choose new vendors. Therefore, in order to take full advantage of the cost savings and shared support benefits open source has to offer, we urge vendors to adopt a policy of supporting their customers on Linux with open-source kernel code." https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Kernel_Driver_Statement Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jun 24 01:46:30 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:16:30 +0530 Subject: Linux Graphics, a Tale of Three Drivers Message-ID: <486051F6.2060308@fedoraproject.org> Hi, https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Linux_Graphics_Essay "Finally, setting aside the philosophical issues, economically it's obvious from this data that binary drivers don't make sense: Nvidia isn't in the list of top oops causers as part of some grand strategy to make itself (and Linux) look bad. It's there because the cost of doing the QA and continuous engineering to support the changing interfaces and to detect and correct these problems outweighs the revenue it can bring in from the Linux market. In essence this is because binary drivers totally negate the shared support and maintenance burden which is what makes Open Source so compelling. Additionally, there is also a drag effect these binary drivers have on the rest of the ecosystem: for instance, Fedora was under enormous pressure not to release Fedora 9 until there was a solution that allowed it to run with the Nvidia binary driver (Fedora chose to ship with a pre-release of the X windows system which Nvidia refused to support and because the driver was binary Fedora couldn't simply fix the problems and ship anyway). " Rahul From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 17:36:13 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:36:13 -0400 Subject: Red Hat Prosumer Linux Proposal Announcement Message-ID: I'm sorry I couldn't be at FUDcon this year, I wish there was a virtual extension of it, however. I look forward to all the news from it so I can put something on my blog. I want to know the latest on Fedora 10! In the meantime, I am getting ready to compose a second proposal, and I want to send it to Red Hat, can someone give me an address I can send it to? The idea is a "step up" from Fedora but a "lite" version of RHEL for Small Businesses or Homes with advanced needs. I call this OS : "Red Hat Prosumer Linux," perhaps this would be the consumer linux everyone would love to have. The best of both worlds, the multimedia, fun, and community of Fedora with some of the advanced features that RHEL offers with limited tech support for a year. Unlike Red Hat Linux which was sold on store shelves, this OS would only be available at online Linux vendor sites as well as redhat.com. The software would be sold from $30 to $50. It would also be offered as a 30 day trialware, if anyone wants to keep it, they purchase the registration code for $50. Anyway, I think it's a great idea and something advanced Home Users are craving. If anyone like to help me with this proposal, my e-mail is hudsonman35 at gmail.com. Onward and forward! *Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA, USA* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the meantime, I am getting ready to compose a second > proposal, and I want to send it to Red Hat, can someone give me an > address I can send it to? The idea is a "step up" from Fedora but a > "lite" version of RHEL for Small Businesses or Homes with advanced > needs. I call this OS : "Red Hat Prosumer Linux," perhaps this would > be the consumer linux everyone would love to have. The best of both > worlds, the multimedia, fun, and community of Fedora with some of the > advanced features that RHEL offers with limited tech support for a > year. Unlike Red Hat Linux which was sold on store shelves, this OS > would only be available at online Linux vendor sites as well as > redhat.com. The software would be sold from $30 to $50. It would > also be offered as a 30 day trialware, if anyone wants to keep it, > they purchase the registration code for $50. Anyway, I think it's a > great idea and something advanced Home Users are craving. If anyone > like to help me with this proposal, my e-mail is > hudsonman35 at gmail.com. Onward and forward! Red Hat used to offer this; you might remember it as "Red Hat Linux." The reasons for discontinuing it were numerous and are all still applicable. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rick.g777 at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 00:49:01 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:49:01 -0500 Subject: Fixing ffmpeg (was: people talking...) In-Reply-To: <50b116700806241748q14b1a911icac3c44d2517977c@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806230911j5dd2b215m3d3308e71a5005df@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806241748q14b1a911icac3c44d2517977c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50b116700806241749g672cb4cj6f7841c19978ec12@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to correct my previous post. I researched more about Gstreamer, and it *seems* like it does what we need. Of course this is a different problem than the ffmpeg structure we've been talking about, since gstreamer is much wider than a codec collection. However, if there are no publicly available (and easily downloadable, at least in source) gstreamer plugins to decode patent-encumbered formats (mp3 / mpeg4 / divx / wmv), then what I said in my previous post is accurate and we're stuck with ffmpeg. This implies that actions *MUST* be taken sooner or later, otherwise the year of desktop Linux will NEVER arrive. Can any GStreamer expert enlighten us about this problem (codec availability)? From rick.g777 at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 00:48:28 2008 From: rick.g777 at gmail.com (Ricardo Garcia) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:48:28 -0500 Subject: Fixing ffmpeg (was: people talking...) In-Reply-To: References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191129v30bba667q3d49676aa8c1b5f2@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806230911j5dd2b215m3d3308e71a5005df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50b116700806241748q14b1a911icac3c44d2517977c@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to add to the discussion a fact I just discovered. As far as I know (I spent a while googling, if I'm wrong someone correct me please), there is *NO* alternative for ffmpeg regarding codecs. There might be one or two codec source codes out there, but as a package, ffmpeg is the only one. Xine sure works in some things, but it's exclusive for gnu/linux (ffmpeg is cross-platform), and in some parts it ends up depending on ffmpeg. In other words, for all purposes, ffmpeg is indeed a monopoly (I'm not saying it's illegal or their fault, I'm just stating that there's no competition to ffmpeg yet). And as a result, we are at the mercy of one programming team and the decisions they make. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 25 01:15:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:45:58 +0530 Subject: Fixing ffmpeg In-Reply-To: <50b116700806241749g672cb4cj6f7841c19978ec12@mail.gmail.com> References: <50b116700806180703x2a0107abr624740de7a7de9cb@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191438t7f8fb44fw988031a7aa52a370@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191513g5814f0fdve1ab39fcaef08299@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806191617u71ec8aaxbe68ae88fda4abca@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806191914i33f986aeg76efb3dc66a25c71@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910806192112i6da4298r8fc225260510a095@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806230911j5dd2b215m3d3308e71a5005df@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806241748q14b1a911icac3c44d2517977c@mail.gmail.com> <50b116700806241749g672cb4cj6f7841c19978ec12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48619C4E.7050107@fedoraproject.org> Ricardo Garcia wrote: > I'd like to correct my previous post. I researched more about > Gstreamer, and it *seems* like it does what we need. It does. > Can any GStreamer expert enlighten us about this problem (codec availability)? Not a expert by any means but refer to http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gst-plugins-ugly/0.10.8.html Also, gstreamer-ffmpeg provides a bridge if you would prefer that. Rahul From lucas at cefetce.br Wed Jun 25 01:33:21 2008 From: lucas at cefetce.br (Lucas Saboya) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:33:21 -0300 Subject: Linux Graphics, a Tale of Three Drivers In-Reply-To: References: <486051F6.2060308@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: welcome to the free side! 2008/6/24 Junior Tomazelli : > welcome a board. ;D > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > :::: CONTRIBUA COM O MEIO AMBIENTE. N?O IMPRIMA ESTA MENSAGEM ::::: > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian.joian at fedoraproject.ro Wed Jun 25 07:15:42 2008 From: adrian.joian at fedoraproject.ro (Adrian Joian) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:15:42 +0300 Subject: Fedora 9 kernel configuration Message-ID: <4861F09E.2030607@fedoraproject.ro> Hello, My name is Adrian Joian and I'm a fedora ambassador [1] for the Romanian community. This is my first time that I'm addressing the marketing list so please be patient with me. I plan to write an article that will speak about Fedora 9 on laptops on our local site [2]. My question is way the 2.6.25.6-55.fc9.i686 kernel is not compiled whit the following options, as they have big impact on laptop "cpu sleep" : CONFIG_HPET_TIMER CONFIG_NO_HZ CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND Are this values replaced by new ones, if yes what are the new options, and forgive my lack of knowledge? Do the above values cause some problems, if yes where can I find the bug reports, again and forgive my lack of knowledge ? Thank you very much for your time. [1] - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AdrianJoian [2] - http://www.fedoraproject.ro/ Best regards, Adrian JOIAN From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 07:28:09 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:28:09 -0400 Subject: Fedora 9 kernel configuration In-Reply-To: <4861F09E.2030607@fedoraproject.ro> References: <4861F09E.2030607@fedoraproject.ro> Message-ID: <1214378889.10118.348.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 10:15 +0300, Adrian Joian wrote: > Are this values replaced by new ones, if yes what are the new options, > and forgive my lack of knowledge? > Do the above values cause some problems, if yes where can I find the bug > reports, again and forgive my lack of knowledge ? You may want to ask this on fedora-kernel-list or fedora-devel-list. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think that getting this codec hurdek solved wilallow Linux wider market shAre thusbtingomg it near to Windows and Os X Leopard. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ricardo Garcia wrote: >> I'd like to correct my previous post. I researched more about >> Gstreamer, and it *seems* like it does what we need. > > It does. > >> Can any GStreamer expert enlighten us about this problem (codec >> availability)? > > Not a expert by any means but refer to > > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gst-plugins-ugly/0.10.8.html > > Also, gstreamer-ffmpeg provides a bridge if you would prefer that. > > Rahul > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From unix-advocate at gmx.com Wed Jun 25 16:02:28 2008 From: unix-advocate at gmx.com (Chip Smith) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:02:28 -0400 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> Message-ID: <3A82C5AD-4F76-478D-9572-1BF1173AACB1@gmx.com> I would be willing to setup a blog on my personal domain name for us touse to collaborate an drive contribution. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 25, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Ricky Zhou wrote: > At FUDCon, one of the things that I loved was hearing peoples' stories > of how they got involved with Fedora. Could it be a good marketing > campaign (aiming to attract new contributors) to collect and publish > these somewhere? Maybe this could somehow be related to Mairin's "I > am > Fedora" videos as well. > > By the way, does the marketing team usually work on specific campaigns > (with specific goals and targets)? Would this be a good way to > organize > marketing work better? > > What do you think? > Ricky > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From rafaelliu at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 16:06:12 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:06:12 -0300 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> Message-ID: I think it's a great idea. Nothing like hearing from passionate guys to raise passion on others. Making videos would definitely be a way to go. One thing I think is missing is a way, a channel, to reach common people, simple users, not just people working with Fedora Project. I find Read Hat Magazine a great idea, and such a light approach to market and be in touch with simple end users. Posting such videos there from time to time would certainly make lists like this bigger =) 2008/6/25 Ricky Zhou : > At FUDCon, one of the things that I loved was hearing peoples' stories > of how they got involved with Fedora. Could it be a good marketing > campaign (aiming to attract new contributors) to collect and publish > these somewhere? Maybe this could somehow be related to Mairin's "I am > Fedora" videos as well. > > By the way, does the marketing team usually work on specific campaigns > (with specific goals and targets)? Would this be a good way to organize > marketing work better? > > What do you think? > Ricky > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Mozilla folks have had a small run at http://blog.mozilla.com/seth/2008/06/13/localizing-firefox-3-post-3-in-a-series-of-3/ -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 17:52:12 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:52:12 -0600 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> Message-ID: 2008/6/25 rafael liu : > I think it's a great idea. Nothing like hearing from passionate guys to > raise passion on others. Making videos would definitely be a way to go. > > One thing I think is missing is a way, a channel, to reach common people, > simple users, not just people working with Fedora Project. I find Read Hat > Magazine a great idea, and such a light approach to market and be in touch > with simple end users. Posting such videos there from time to time would > certainly make lists like this bigger =) > > > > 2008/6/25 Ricky Zhou : > >> At FUDCon, one of the things that I loved was hearing peoples' stories >> of how they got involved with Fedora. Could it be a good marketing >> campaign (aiming to attract new contributors) to collect and publish >> these somewhere? Maybe this could somehow be related to Mairin's "I am >> Fedora" videos as well. >> >> By the way, does the marketing team usually work on specific campaigns >> (with specific goals and targets)? Would this be a good way to organize >> marketing work better? >> >> What do you think? >> Ricky >> >> Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I recall seeing a discussion of 'User Stories' back a few months. There seemed to be very little response, but hey, its worth trying again I suppose. Here's the thread I found on the mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-April/msg00059.html And I did a quick search on the wiki and found this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials Hope these things help. Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rafaelliu at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 18:01:46 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:01:46 -0300 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> Message-ID: I personally don't find the Fedora wiki well structured enough for a "outsider" to nagivate smoothly. Before collecting any story we should think about how/where to publish them. Again, I think a Red Hat Magazine approach would be much more effective. 2008/6/25 Clint Savage : > 2008/6/25 rafael liu : > >> I think it's a great idea. Nothing like hearing from passionate guys to >> raise passion on others. Making videos would definitely be a way to go. >> >> One thing I think is missing is a way, a channel, to reach common people, >> simple users, not just people working with Fedora Project. I find Read Hat >> Magazine a great idea, and such a light approach to market and be in touch >> with simple end users. Posting such videos there from time to time would >> certainly make lists like this bigger =) >> >> >> >> 2008/6/25 Ricky Zhou : >> >>> At FUDCon, one of the things that I loved was hearing peoples' stories >>> of how they got involved with Fedora. Could it be a good marketing >>> campaign (aiming to attract new contributors) to collect and publish >>> these somewhere? Maybe this could somehow be related to Mairin's "I am >>> Fedora" videos as well. >>> >>> By the way, does the marketing team usually work on specific campaigns >>> (with specific goals and targets)? Would this be a good way to organize >>> marketing work better? >>> >>> What do you think? >>> Ricky >>> >>> > Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I recall seeing a discussion of 'User > Stories' back a few months. There seemed to be very little response, but > hey, its worth trying again I suppose. > > Here's the thread I found on the mailing list: > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-April/msg00059.html > > And I did a quick search on the wiki and found this: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials > > Hope these things help. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Contributor stories might be easier to get. ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Jun 25 19:30:44 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:00:44 +0530 Subject: PackageKit finds sweet spot in quest for universal package tools Message-ID: <48629CE4.2000509@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://www.linux.com/feature/137115 "PackageKit has the more modest goal of supplying a universal front end that leaves the native package systems intact underneath. As Richard Hughes, the project lead for PackageKit, puts it, "PackageKit is a glue layer between the distro-specific parts, and some prettiness."" Rahul From herlo1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 20:41:43 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:41:43 -0600 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: <48628937.7050708@fedoraproject.org> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> <48628937.7050708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:06 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Clint Savage wrote: > >> Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I recall seeing a discussion of 'User >> Stories' back a few months. There seemed to be very little response, but >> hey, its worth trying again I suppose. >> > > That's user stories tho not contributor stories. Contributor stories might > be easier to get. > > ~m > Oh, I missed the minutiae. Thanks Mo! Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 00:31:05 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:01:05 +0530 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4862E349.4090406@gmail.com> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > I remember Red Hat Linux all too well, I think it needed to go away for > a while, but now that Vista isn't doing so well, it is time to revive > RHL but have it sold to Small Businesses instead. So I will put out the > Proposal on my Linux Blog and see if that need could be fulfilled. I am > tired of seeing Target sell JUST Windows Vista or XP Software. To begin addressing this space, it would require a jot-down of what tasks the Small Businesses expect to achieve using this OS, what services they currently consume and desire replaced by a FOSS stack and what applications are available that can meet their needs. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 00:46:25 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:46:25 -0800 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910806251746t1b9ce932j7a1ad3f45a701f1c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/25 Markus McLaughlin : > I remember Red Hat Linux all too well, I think it needed to go away for a > while, but now that Vista isn't doing so well, it is time to revive RHL but > have it sold to Small Businesses instead. So I will put out the Proposal on > my Linux Blog and see if that need could be fulfilled. I am tired of seeing > Target sell JUST Windows Vista or XP Software. Remember, I am not a > Programmer, just a Concept Man. When I have an idea, I go with it, and > see if it could be made, be it a film, tv show, or maybe even an Operating > System! Never say never! This really isn't the appropriate place for this. Fedora's community marketing group isn't going to be marketing and sort of product that is meant to be sold to small businesses or to anyone else for that matter. If OEMs or some other business entity want to install Fedora on retail computer systems and attempt to make a profitable business doing it, they are welcome to attempt it. If Fedora as a project needs to change to make that possible, I welcome any conversation with OEMs on how to better include them in our contributor-base. But any substantial effort to better accommodate these sort of business endeavors will only be done when there are contributors who are interested in doing the work. -jef From karlie_robinson at webpath.net Thu Jun 26 00:58:27 2008 From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net (Karlie Robinson) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:58:27 -0400 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: <4862E349.4090406@gmail.com> References: <4862E349.4090406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4862E9B3.3060807@webpath.net> Sankarshan (????????) wrote: > To begin addressing this space, it would require a jot-down of what > tasks the Small Businesses expect to achieve using this OS, what > services they currently consume and desire replaced by a FOSS stack > and what applications are available that can meet their needs. Exactly. When dealing with small businesses, sometimes the direct approach isn't always the most effective. Small business owners have a lot going on and taking time for a new anything is a big deal. We, as business owners [1], have to be convinced that the investment in time and/or money will be well worth it. Because we don't buy into something simply because it might do wonderful things. I work with many small businesses through SCORE [2] - an organization in the USA to counsel small business owners. From start-up to growing pains and beyond. (Best of all, it's free advice.) I've begun pitching Open Source applications as a triage process knowing that for some businesses, the introduction will come in small steps and not always with an operating system. [3] What would it mean to your business if you went with OOo instead of a commercial office suite? Is that money you don't have to borrow? Money you could put to use elsewhere? To other businesses FOSS means websites that are "close enough" that they only need to hire a tech for the finishing touches. (Knitting components together in an OSCommerce shopping cart or tweaking Joomla extensions etc) ~Karlie [1] http://webpath.net/index.php?wiki=Staff [2] http://SCORE.org or my chapter, http://scorerochester.org [3] Example of how I plug FOSS in business - http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=253123.0 From mstrawder at live.com Thu Jun 26 03:39:54 2008 From: mstrawder at live.com (Matt Strawder) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:39:54 -0400 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: <4862E9B3.3060807@webpath.net> References: <4862E349.4090406@gmail.com> <4862E9B3.3060807@webpath.net> Message-ID: I belive that if a small business solution were to be made from Red Hat, it would have to be easy to switch from a server edition to a desktop edition. It would have to have all Open Office apps including all fonts and picture options (Things like word art and pic art). The desktop would also need to be very very close to windows. All options would have to be in the same position. All menus organised the same way. An idea might also be to have a school edition. I know I have had a couple schools run on Linux destros and I had to point them to Ed instead of Fedora because Edubuntu is made for schools. These are just my opinions and I have worked more with schools than small business as far as getting people to use Linux. [Matt]^_^ ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:58:27 -0400 > From: karlie_robinson at webpath.net > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! > > Sankarshan (????????) wrote: >> To begin addressing this space, it would require a jot-down of what >> tasks the Small Businesses expect to achieve using this OS, what >> services they currently consume and desire replaced by a FOSS stack >> and what applications are available that can meet their needs. > Exactly. > > When dealing with small businesses, sometimes the direct approach isn't > always the most effective. > > Small business owners have a lot going on and taking time for a new > anything is a big deal. We, as business owners [1], have to be > convinced that the investment in time and/or money will be well worth > it. Because we don't buy into something simply because it might do > wonderful things. > > I work with many small businesses through SCORE [2] - an organization in > the USA to counsel small business owners. From start-up to growing > pains and beyond. (Best of all, it's free advice.) > > I've begun pitching Open Source applications as a triage process knowing > that for some businesses, the introduction will come in small steps and > not always with an operating system. [3] > > What would it mean to your business if you went with OOo instead of a > commercial office suite? Is that money you don't have to borrow? Money > you could put to use elsewhere? > > To other businesses FOSS means websites that are "close enough" that > they only need to hire a tech for the finishing touches. (Knitting > components together in an OSCommerce shopping cart or tweaking Joomla > extensions etc) > > ~Karlie > > [1] http://webpath.net/index.php?wiki=Staff > [2] http://SCORE.org or my chapter, http://scorerochester.org > [3] Example of how I plug FOSS in business - > http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=253123.0 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashback From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 26 03:45:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:15:55 +0530 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4862E349.4090406@gmail.com> <4862E9B3.3060807@webpath.net> Message-ID: <486310F3.1000707@fedoraproject.org> Matt Strawder wrote: > I belive that if a small business solution were to be made from Red Hat, it would have to be easy to switch from a server edition to a desktop edition. It would have to have all Open Office apps including all fonts and picture options (Things like word art and pic art). The desktop would also need to be very very close to windows. All options would have to be in the same position. All menus organised the same way. An idea might also be to have a school edition. I know I have had a couple schools run on Linux destros and I had to point them to Ed instead of Fedora because Edubuntu is made for schools. These are just my opinions and I have worked more with schools than small business as far as getting people to use Linux. > Folks, this is really not the place to discuss Red Hat product decisions. We don't really have any input on that process and it is purely a internal product management decision. Unless the discussion is really specific to marketing Fedora and how you can contribute, it does not belong in this list. Rahul From mstrawder at live.com Thu Jun 26 03:55:03 2008 From: mstrawder at live.com (Matt Strawder) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:55:03 -0400 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: <486310F3.1000707@fedoraproject.org> References: <4862E349.4090406@gmail.com> <4862E9B3.3060807@webpath.net> <486310F3.1000707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: What about making a Fedora for education. You could have 2 versions. An easy to use and learn version like the Suger OS found on the OLPC. And another that is closer to a windows desktop. It would be much cheaper for schools to upgrade to a free and open source OS and the community and help available would help a lot. I know I have spoken to a few schools who were very interested in an open source OS made for education uses. [Matt]^_^ ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:15:55 +0530 > From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! > > Matt Strawder wrote: >> I belive that if a small business solution were to be made from Red Hat, it would have to be easy to switch from a server edition to a desktop edition. It would have to have all Open Office apps including all fonts and picture options (Things like word art and pic art). The desktop would also need to be very very close to windows. All options would have to be in the same position. All menus organised the same way. An idea might also be to have a school edition. I know I have had a couple schools run on Linux destros and I had to point them to Ed instead of Fedora because Edubuntu is made for schools. These are just my opinions and I have worked more with schools than small business as far as getting people to use Linux. >> > > Folks, this is really not the place to discuss Red Hat product > decisions. We don't really have any input on that process and it is > purely a internal product management decision. Unless the discussion is > really specific to marketing Fedora and how you can contribute, it does > not belong in this list. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashback From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 26 03:57:54 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:27:54 +0530 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4862E349.4090406@gmail.com> <4862E9B3.3060807@webpath.net> <486310F3.1000707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <486313C2.3040007@fedoraproject.org> Matt Strawder wrote: > What about making a Fedora for education. You could have 2 versions. An easy to use and learn version like the Suger OS found on the OLPC. And another that is closer to a windows desktop. It would be much cheaper for schools to upgrade to a free and open source OS and the community and help available would help a lot. I know I have spoken to a few schools who were very interested in an open source OS made for education uses. > > > [Matt]^_^ Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Spin Contact the SIG members if you wish to participate. Rahul From mstrawder at live.com Thu Jun 26 04:07:36 2008 From: mstrawder at live.com (Matt Strawder) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:07:36 -0400 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: <486313C2.3040007@fedoraproject.org> References: <4862E349.4090406@gmail.com> <4862E9B3.3060807@webpath.net> <486310F3.1000707@fedoraproject.org> <486313C2.3040007@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I was unaware of a group already made. Thank you for telling me and thank you for dealing with my rant =P [Matt]^_^ ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:27:54 +0530 > From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org > To: fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! > > Matt Strawder wrote: >> What about making a Fedora for education. You could have 2 versions. An easy to use and learn version like the Suger OS found on the OLPC. And another that is closer to a windows desktop. It would be much cheaper for schools to upgrade to a free and open source OS and the community and help available would help a lot. I know I have spoken to a few schools who were very interested in an open source OS made for education uses. >> >> >> [Matt]^_^ > > Refer > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Spin > > Contact the SIG members if you wish to participate. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list _________________________________________________________________ The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i?m Talkathon. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 05:03:30 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:03:30 -0400 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 48, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: <20080626034024.E5EF38E0113@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080626034024.E5EF38E0113@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Where can one discuss Small Business Matters as far as either making Fedora more Small Business Friendly OR going the route I will lay out for a "Red Hat Prosumer Linux?" It is important to address such matters if not here then a site devoted to Small Business. Any word on Fedora 10, btw? I haven't read much about it yet and I feel the next Fedora will be the BEST version EVER!!! *Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA, USA* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 26 05:08:39 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:38:39 +0530 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 48, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: <20080626034024.E5EF38E0113@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <48632457.8010006@fedoraproject.org> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > Where can one discuss Small Business Matters as far as either making > Fedora more Small Business Friendly OR > going the route I will lay out for a "Red Hat Prosumer Linux?" Marketing in free software is non-traditional and doesn't define the end results or lead product development. Developers do. If you have a specific list of things you would want to accomplish, posting to fedora-devel list would help. SMB is a vague buzzword otherwise. > Any word on Fedora 10, btw? I haven't read much about it yet and I feel > the next Fedora will be the BEST version EVER!!! Keep a eye on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList Also follow discussions on fedora-devel list. This is open development and has no insider information. Rahul From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 26 14:05:50 2008 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:05:50 +0200 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> Message-ID: <1214489150.3021.9.camel@redhat> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 13:06 -0300, rafael liu wrote: > I think it's a great idea. Nothing like hearing from passionate guys > to raise passion on others. Making videos would definitely be a way to > go. > > One thing I think is missing is a way, a channel, to reach common > people, simple users, not just people working with Fedora Project. I > find Read Hat Magazine a great idea, and such a light approach to > market and be in touch with simple end users. That's exactly what I mentioned when the idea was born during a talk with Ricky yesterday @ #fedora-websites. We don't have a way yet to communicate with a normal Fedora user excepts of events. You can hardly ever see any info about Fedora on the Internet, excluding new releases and mainly some statistics. Ricky's idea about such campaign(s) could be a perfect way to reach an average user. > Posting such videos there from time to time would certainly make lists > like this bigger =) > > > > 2008/6/25 Ricky Zhou : > At FUDCon, one of the things that I loved was hearing peoples' > stories > of how they got involved with Fedora. Could it be a good > marketing > campaign (aiming to attract new contributors) to collect and > publish > these somewhere? Maybe this could somehow be related to > Mairin's "I am > Fedora" videos as well. > > By the way, does the marketing team usually work on specific > campaigns > (with specific goals and targets)? Would this be a good way > to organize > marketing work better? > > What do you think? > Ricky Cheers, Pawel From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 26 14:17:03 2008 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:17:03 +0200 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> Message-ID: <1214489823.3021.13.camel@redhat> Yeah, maybe we could publish it @ www.redhatmagazine.com, but we have to talk with guys like Paul W. Frields I think and ask if something like that would be possible. Cheers, Pawel On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 15:01 -0300, rafael liu wrote: > I personally don't find the Fedora wiki well structured enough for a > "outsider" to nagivate smoothly. Before collecting any story we should > think about how/where to publish them. Again, I think a Red Hat > Magazine approach would be much more effective. > > 2008/6/25 Clint Savage : > 2008/6/25 rafael liu : > > I think it's a great idea. Nothing like hearing from > passionate guys to raise passion on others. Making > videos would definitely be a way to go. > > One thing I think is missing is a way, a channel, to > reach common people, simple users, not just people > working with Fedora Project. I find Read Hat Magazine > a great idea, and such a light approach to market and > be in touch with simple end users. Posting such videos > there from time to time would certainly make lists > like this bigger =) > > > > 2008/6/25 Ricky Zhou : > > At FUDCon, one of the things that I loved was > hearing peoples' stories > of how they got involved with Fedora. Could > it be a good marketing > campaign (aiming to attract new contributors) > to collect and publish > these somewhere? Maybe this could somehow be > related to Mairin's "I am > Fedora" videos as well. > > By the way, does the marketing team usually > work on specific campaigns > (with specific goals and targets)? Would this > be a good way to organize > marketing work better? > > What do you think? > Ricky > > > > Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I recall seeing a > discussion of 'User Stories' back a few months. There seemed > to be very little response, but hey, its worth trying again I > suppose. > > Here's the thread I found on the mailing list: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-April/msg00059.html > > And I did a quick search on the wiki and found this: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserTestimonials > > Hope these things help. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 26 14:21:43 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:21:43 +0100 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: <1214489823.3021.13.camel@redhat> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> <1214489823.3021.13.camel@redhat> Message-ID: <507738ef0806260721x657ff8d3q2bd72bb0465f3404@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/26 Pawel Sadowski : > Yeah, maybe we could publish it @ www.redhatmagazine.com, but we have to > talk with guys like Paul W. Frields I think and ask if something like > that would be possible. The people at RHM are very nice and I'm sure would be more than willing to help us out. I've written a few things that they've posted for me, and I'm sure they'll do the same in the future too :) Hopefully though, in the not too distant future we'll have our own Fedora solution, there's just a few loose ends to iron out and a work flow to be figured out so that we can pull some of the marketing stuff together (contributor stories, interviews etc) with FWN - at least this is what I'm hoping to achieve! Best, Jon From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 14:56:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:56:46 -0400 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806260721x657ff8d3q2bd72bb0465f3404@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> <1214489823.3021.13.camel@redhat> <507738ef0806260721x657ff8d3q2bd72bb0465f3404@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1214492206.1485.41.camel@victoria> On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 15:21 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/6/26 Pawel Sadowski : > > Yeah, maybe we could publish it @ www.redhatmagazine.com, but we have to > > talk with guys like Paul W. Frields I think and ask if something like > > that would be possible. > > The people at RHM are very nice and I'm sure would be more than > willing to help us out. I've written a few things that they've posted > for me, and I'm sure they'll do the same in the future too :) > > Hopefully though, in the not too distant future we'll have our own > Fedora solution, there's just a few loose ends to iron out and a work > flow to be figured out so that we can pull some of the marketing stuff > together (contributor stories, interviews etc) with FWN - at least > this is what I'm hoping to achieve! Right -- I'm very happy about our work with RHM but relying on them for a constantly growing pool of stories that we want to maintain may be the wrong way to leverage what's essentially a regularly changing feed. Rather, we want that pool to be around in a growable but persistent way that's attractive to existing or potential contributors. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gdk at redhat.com Thu Jun 26 15:01:57 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories (and MEETING REMINDER!) In-Reply-To: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Ricky Zhou wrote: > At FUDCon, one of the things that I loved was hearing peoples' stories > of how they got involved with Fedora. Could it be a good marketing > campaign (aiming to attract new contributors) to collect and publish > these somewhere? Maybe this could somehow be related to Mairin's "I am > Fedora" videos as well. > > By the way, does the marketing team usually work on specific campaigns > (with specific goals and targets)? Would this be a good way to organize > marketing work better? > > What do you think? I think that this is a brilliant topic for OUR WEEKLY MARKETING MEETING. Today at 3pm Eastern! 1900 UTC! irc.freenode.net, #fedora-mktg! All the cool kids will be there! See you there. About four hours from now. --g From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Thu Jun 26 15:08:25 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:08:25 +0100 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories (and MEETING REMINDER!) In-Reply-To: References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> Message-ID: <507738ef0806260808v3c0f97e3id35be08f1835595c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/26 Greg Dekoenigsberg : > > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Ricky Zhou wrote: > >> At FUDCon, one of the things that I loved was hearing peoples' stories >> of how they got involved with Fedora. Could it be a good marketing >> campaign (aiming to attract new contributors) to collect and publish >> these somewhere? Maybe this could somehow be related to Mairin's "I am >> Fedora" videos as well. >> >> By the way, does the marketing team usually work on specific campaigns >> (with specific goals and targets)? Would this be a good way to organize >> marketing work better? >> >> What do you think? > > I think that this is a brilliant topic for OUR WEEKLY MARKETING MEETING. > > Today at 3pm Eastern! 1900 UTC! irc.freenode.net, #fedora-mktg! All the > cool kids will be there! > > See you there. About four hours from now. *sigh* - my apologies in advance. I'll be in a car travelling home from uni for the final time this year! Have fun :) Jon From rafaelliu at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 19:20:38 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:20:38 -0300 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: <1214492206.1485.41.camel@victoria> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> <1214489823.3021.13.camel@redhat> <507738ef0806260721x657ff8d3q2bd72bb0465f3404@mail.gmail.com> <1214492206.1485.41.camel@victoria> Message-ID: +1 Paul We should have a channel specifically for Fedora, from newbies to intermediates mainly, I think. Even because RHM have lots of other things other than Linux. I agree RHM could help us posting some of our most important articles, but we shouldn't depend on them. Just one thing: I don't mean a channel to publish stories, it's much more general. Posting tips, news, bugfix, articles, etc. 2008/6/26 Paul W. Frields : > On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 15:21 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > 2008/6/26 Pawel Sadowski : > > > Yeah, maybe we could publish it @ www.redhatmagazine.com, but we have > to > > > talk with guys like Paul W. Frields I think and ask if something like > > > that would be possible. > > > > The people at RHM are very nice and I'm sure would be more than > > willing to help us out. I've written a few things that they've posted > > for me, and I'm sure they'll do the same in the future too :) > > > > Hopefully though, in the not too distant future we'll have our own > > Fedora solution, there's just a few loose ends to iron out and a work > > flow to be figured out so that we can pull some of the marketing stuff > > together (contributor stories, interviews etc) with FWN - at least > > this is what I'm hoping to achieve! > > Right -- I'm very happy about our work with RHM but relying on them for > a constantly growing pool of stories that we want to maintain may be the > wrong way to leverage what's essentially a regularly changing feed. > Rather, we want that pool to be around in a growable but persistent way > that's attractive to existing or potential contributors. > > -- > Paul W. Frields > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 21:33:10 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:33:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 48, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <20080626160013.C857261A232@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080626160013.C857261A232@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I want everyone who has Small Business Concerns to go to my blog for my ideas and then GOOGLE Small Business with Red Hat. Next, I just read in linuxtoday.com, that Windoze XP has expired, and I want to thank Microsoft for allowing Fedora and RHEL to EXPAND!!! Finally, have a GREAT 4th of July and keep on spreading the word about Fedora! *Mark McLaughlin Hudson, MA, USA* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 03:47:56 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:47:56 +0800 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806260721x657ff8d3q2bd72bb0465f3404@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> <1214489823.3021.13.camel@redhat> <507738ef0806260721x657ff8d3q2bd72bb0465f3404@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486462EC.30602@gmail.com> No doubt RedHat is Sporting Fedora in a way, But I believe Fedora should be Fedora itself and go for Fedora Magazine etc ..... Market the "FEDORA" brand itself directly is a better choice to set it intothe mind of the Audience. Just my 2cts worth. Thanks you & Have a Nice Day Best Regards, Jason Benedict Low ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/6/26 Pawel Sadowski : > >> Yeah, maybe we could publish it @ www.redhatmagazine.com, but we have to >> talk with guys like Paul W. Frields I think and ask if something like >> that would be possible. >> > > The people at RHM are very nice and I'm sure would be more than > willing to help us out. I've written a few things that they've posted > for me, and I'm sure they'll do the same in the future too :) > > Hopefully though, in the not too distant future we'll have our own > Fedora solution, there's just a few loose ends to iron out and a work > flow to be figured out so that we can pull some of the marketing stuff > together (contributor stories, interviews etc) with FWN - at least > this is what I'm hoping to achieve! > > Best, > > Jon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaa at redhat.com Fri Jun 27 05:24:03 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:24:03 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) Message-ID: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> Hey All, I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with Fedora and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past couple of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which I tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is constant action and interest in Fedora. There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so far there is interest. Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. Thanks, Jack From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 05:47:36 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:47:36 -0700 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> Add me, Jack: I'm a student at Cabrillo College in Aptos (Santa Cruz County), California. I'm an ambassador and I'm also the president (albeit outgoing president in the Fall) of the Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group. Let me know what I can do to help. Larry Cafiero https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero On 6/26/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with Fedora > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past couple > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which I > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. > > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is > constant action and interest in Fedora. > > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so > far there is interest. > > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. > > Thanks, > Jack > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gradyfausta at laksmono.com Fri Jun 27 06:07:28 2008 From: gradyfausta at laksmono.com (Grady Laksmono) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:07:28 -0700 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Add me as well, I'm Grady Laksmono, I'm currently a Fedora Ambassador for Los Angeles, California. I'm a student at California State University, Los Angeles (www.calstatela.edu). - Grady https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:GradyLaksmono On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > Add me, Jack: I'm a student at Cabrillo College in Aptos (Santa Cruz > County), California. I'm an ambassador and I'm also the president > (albeit outgoing president in the Fall) of the Cabrillo College > GNU/Linux Users Group. > > Let me know what I can do to help. > > Larry Cafiero > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero > > On 6/26/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told > > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with Fedora > > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past couple > > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which I > > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus > > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox > > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body > > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. > > > > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info > > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is > > constant action and interest in Fedora. > > > > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week > > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially > > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from > > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so > > far there is interest. > > > > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people > > had to say. 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URL: From kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 06:11:08 2008 From: kagesenshi.87 at gmail.com (Izhar Firdaus) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:11:08 +0800 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > Add me, Jack: I'm a student at Cabrillo College in Aptos (Santa Cruz > County), California. I'm an ambassador and I'm also the president > (albeit outgoing president in the Fall) of the Cabrillo College > GNU/Linux Users Group. > > Let me know what I can do to help. Count me in too .. I'm a student in PETRONAS University of Technology (Malaysia) .. already an ambassador and also one of the founding members of a FOSS user group in the university, the maintainer of a LAN Fedora mirror there, and also the admin for fedora-my :) .. -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru ??? ???? ???? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From tushar.neupaney at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 06:36:54 2008 From: tushar.neupaney at gmail.com (Tushar Neupaney) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:21:54 +0545 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1214548614.2910.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't know Grady am I eligible. I am from Nepal and also a Fedora Ambassador. I would be happy to help. Tushar On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 23:07 -0700, Grady Laksmono wrote: > Add me as well, I'm Grady Laksmono, I'm currently a Fedora Ambassador > for Los Angeles, California. I'm a student at California State > University, Los Angeles (www.calstatela.edu). > > - Grady > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:GradyLaksmono > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Larry Cafiero > wrote: > > Add me, Jack: I'm a student at Cabrillo College in Aptos > (Santa Cruz > County), California. I'm an ambassador and I'm also the > president > (albeit outgoing president in the Fall) of the Cabrillo > College > GNU/Linux Users Group. > > Let me know what I can do to help. > > Larry Cafiero > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero > > > > On 6/26/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but > I was told > > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help > out with Fedora > > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the > past couple > > of weeks to put together something modeled after the > ambassadors which I > > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the > campus > > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with > the Firefox > > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the > student body > > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus > events. > > > > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold > one info > > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure > that there is > > constant action and interest in Fedora. > > > > There will be a community architecture team meeting in > Raleigh next week > > at which I would like to present the final plan for this > and officially > > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of > students from > > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas > A&M) and so > > far there is interest. > > > > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see > what people > > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this > tomorrow or over > > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. > > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 27 06:35:18 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:35:18 +0100 Subject: Fedora Contributor Stories In-Reply-To: <486462EC.30602@gmail.com> References: <20080625141404.GA21491@Max> <1214489823.3021.13.camel@redhat> <507738ef0806260721x657ff8d3q2bd72bb0465f3404@mail.gmail.com> <486462EC.30602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806262335k50176b4bt7b00d4860eee79f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/27 Jason Benedict Low : > No doubt RedHat is Sporting Fedora in a way, But I believe Fedora should be > Fedora itself and go for Fedora Magazine etc ..... Market the "FEDORA" brand > itself directly is a better choice to set it intothe mind of the Audience. We're working on it :) It's going to be based on WP MU because other parts of the project would like blogging capability too, and we have packages etc, we just need to get some fixes upstream to make it work exactly how we want it to work and then to deploy a test instance to figure out workflows for contributors/editors. We actually had a test instance with lyceum up a while ago now, but there wasn't so much interest so we thought we'd go this way and do things properly with the extra time. Good to hear more people are sounding interested now :) Best, Jon > > Just my 2cts worth. > > Thanks you & Have a Nice Day > > Best Regards, > Jason Benedict Low > > ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ > > > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > 2008/6/26 Pawel Sadowski : > > > Yeah, maybe we could publish it @ www.redhatmagazine.com, but we have to > talk with guys like Paul W. Frields I think and ask if something like > that would be possible. > > > The people at RHM are very nice and I'm sure would be more than > willing to help us out. I've written a few things that they've posted > for me, and I'm sure they'll do the same in the future too :) > > Hopefully though, in the not too distant future we'll have our own > Fedora solution, there's just a few loose ends to iron out and a work > flow to be figured out so that we can pull some of the marketing stuff > together (contributor stories, interviews etc) with FWN - at least > this is what I'm hoping to achieve! > > Best, > > Jon > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mattr at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 27 07:26:54 2008 From: mattr at fedoraproject.org (Matthieu Rondeau) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:26:54 +0200 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <1214548614.2910.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> <1214548614.2910.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2008/6/27 Tushar Neupaney : > I don't know Grady am I eligible. I am from Nepal and also a Fedora > Ambassador. > I would be happy to help. > > Tushar > > > On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 23:07 -0700, Grady Laksmono wrote: > > Add me as well, I'm Grady Laksmono, I'm currently a Fedora Ambassador for > Los Angeles, California. I'm a student at California State University, Los > Angeles (www.calstatela.edu). > > - Grady > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:GradyLaksmono > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Larry Cafiero > wrote: > > Add me, Jack: I'm a student at Cabrillo College in Aptos (Santa Cruz > County), California. I'm an ambassador and I'm also the president > (albeit outgoing president in the Fall) of the Cabrillo College > GNU/Linux Users Group. > > Let me know what I can do to help. > > Larry Cafiero > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero > > > > On 6/26/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told > > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with Fedora > > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past couple > > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which I > > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus > > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox > > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body > > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. > > > > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info > > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is > > constant action and interest in Fedora. > > > > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week > > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially > > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from > > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so > > far there is interest. > > > > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people > > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over > > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. > > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing listFedora-marketing-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- I'm a student from France, part of the OpenSource software users club from my school. I'll be glad to help Matthieu Rondeau > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatadbb at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 11:14:56 2008 From: tatadbb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:44:56 +1930 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> <1214548614.2910.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <27a6293b0806270414v139ff340g868d670a64cb5344@mail.gmail.com> hi. I'm a student from Venezuela and Fedora Ambassador here, member of Venezuela's fedora community and some other LUG's arround the country. (almost all giving support and making all the art stuff) If anything comes up I'll be glad to help :D 2008/6/28 Matthieu Rondeau : > > > 2008/6/27 Tushar Neupaney : > >> I don't know Grady am I eligible. I am from Nepal and also a Fedora >> Ambassador. >> I would be happy to help. >> >> Tushar >> >> >> On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 23:07 -0700, Grady Laksmono wrote: >> >> Add me as well, I'm Grady Laksmono, I'm currently a Fedora Ambassador for >> Los Angeles, California. I'm a student at California State University, Los >> Angeles (www.calstatela.edu). >> >> - Grady >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:GradyLaksmono >> >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Larry Cafiero >> wrote: >> >> Add me, Jack: I'm a student at Cabrillo College in Aptos (Santa Cruz >> County), California. I'm an ambassador and I'm also the president >> (albeit outgoing president in the Fall) of the Cabrillo College >> GNU/Linux Users Group. >> >> Let me know what I can do to help. >> >> Larry Cafiero >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero >> >> >> >> On 6/26/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> > Hey All, >> > >> > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told >> > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with >> Fedora >> > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past couple >> > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which >> I >> > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus >> > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox >> > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body >> > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. >> > >> > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info >> > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is >> > constant action and interest in Fedora. >> > >> > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next >> week >> > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially >> > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from >> > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so >> > far there is interest. >> > >> > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people >> > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over >> > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jack >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> >> -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing listFedora-marketing-list at redhat.comhttps://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> >> -- > > > I'm a student from France, part of the OpenSource software users club from > my school. I'll be glad to help > > Matthieu Rondeau > >> >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 11:26:20 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:26:20 +0200 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f692fec0806270426t653b4c79v2b6a11ab1997a56f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so > far there is interest. Let me know what I can do in Pittsburgh, at CMU or Pitt. -Yaakov From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 14:46:50 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:46:50 -0400 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel Message-ID: I too think there should a Fedora News Channel site covering success stories with Fedora, Red Hat related news concerning Fedora, educational uses of Fedora, multimedia uses, and FUN things to do with it as well. If anyone loves the idea too, let's propose : FedoraNews.wordpress.com, which anyone can add a blog posting, a photo, a video in Theora & QuickTime from a FUDcon, audio using OGG Vorbis & AAC... This site will automatically use RSS (which I add feeds to my most excellent RSS reader : Rhetoris, for MACs, which utiliizes text to speech.) *GOOGLE Rhetoris, Mac Users!* :D Have a great Fourth of July! 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Jo?o Felipe Santos On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > >> There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week >> at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially >> launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from >> various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so >> far there is interest. > > Let me know what I can do in Pittsburgh, at CMU or Pitt. > > -Yaakov > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 27 15:04:26 2008 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:04:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54333.VwBUX1dRCno=.1214579066.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Hi, > I too think there should a Fedora News Channel site covering success > stories > with Fedora, Red Hat related news concerning Fedora, educational uses of > Fedora, multimedia uses, and FUN things to do with it as well. > So do I :) However, Red Hat already has its own magazine, let's keep both separated, don't you think ? > If anyone loves the idea too, let's propose : FedoraNews.wordpress.com, Why at wordpress.com ? Couldn't Fedora host it ? > which anyone can add a blog posting, a photo, a video in Theora & > QuickTime > from a FUDcon, audio using OGG Vorbis & AAC... This looks more like a planet to me, and there is already the planet.fedoraproject.org IMHO, a FedoraNews site should be run by a "journalists" team (of course open for everyone to contribute) with editorial rules so that the content remains consistent. > Have a great Fourth of July! > What happens on 4th of July ? o_O ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador ---------- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From rafaelliu at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 15:14:56 2008 From: rafaelliu at gmail.com (rafael liu) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:14:56 -0300 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <54333.VwBUX1dRCno=.1214579066.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <54333.VwBUX1dRCno=.1214579066.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) < bochecha at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hi, > > > I too think there should a Fedora News Channel site covering success > > stories > > with Fedora, Red Hat related news concerning Fedora, educational uses of > > Fedora, multimedia uses, and FUN things to do with it as well. > > > So do I :) > > However, Red Hat already has its own magazine, let's keep both separated, > don't you think ? > +1 > > > If anyone loves the idea too, let's propose : FedoraNews.wordpress.com, > Why at wordpress.com ? Couldn't Fedora host it ? > > > which anyone can add a blog posting, a photo, a video in Theora & > > QuickTime > > from a FUDcon, audio using OGG Vorbis & AAC... > This looks more like a planet to me, and there is already the > planet.fedoraproject.org > > IMHO, a FedoraNews site should be run by a "journalists" team (of course > open for everyone to contribute) with editorial rules so that the content > remains consistent. +1 > > > > Have a great Fourth of July! > > > What happens on 4th of July ? o_O > north-american holiday, if I remember well > > > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > French Fedora Ambassador > > ---------- > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety, > deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are in need for contributors http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN > This site will automatically use RSS (which I add feeds to my most > excellent RSS reader : Rhetoris, for MACs, > which utiliizes text to speech.) *GOOGLE Rhetoris, Mac Users!* :D The plan is to move FWN away from the wiki and to something like Wordpress and get, among other things, RSS feeds. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro From rsuehle at redhat.com Fri Jun 27 15:27:58 2008 From: rsuehle at redhat.com (Ruth Suehle) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:27:58 -0400 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <54333.VwBUX1dRCno=.1214579066.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> References: <54333.VwBUX1dRCno=.1214579066.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <486506FE.5070902@redhat.com> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > Hi, > > >> I too think there should a Fedora News Channel site covering success >> stories >> with Fedora, Red Hat related news concerning Fedora, educational uses of >> Fedora, multimedia uses, and FUN things to do with it as well. >> >> > So do I :) > > However, Red Hat already has its own magazine, let's keep both separated, > don't you think ? > Those are also just the sorts of things we'd love to run under the Fedora tag on Red Hat Magazine. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/category/fedora/ Ruth From caseyjones at runbox.com Fri Jun 27 15:33:13 2008 From: caseyjones at runbox.com (Casey Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Can't get off email distribution Message-ID: All, I apologize right off the bat if this is not the appropriate way to communicate this request or the right address to send this to. But, I have been trying to drop out of the email distribution list for the Fedora Ambassadors and any other email distributions I was signed up for. I'd like to continue, but I am just too flooded with emails that are work related or otherwise, and I need to recuse myself from these distribution lists. However, I have a problem. I logged into the admin area and couldn't see anywhere to unsubscribe myself. I did find a link to make myself "Inactive." As soon as I did this and saved changes, it forced me to log out and I couldn't log back in. But, the problem is that I'm still receiving the emails. Can someone please help??? Thank you! Casey Jones From rdieter at math.unl.edu Fri Jun 27 16:24:35 2008 From: rdieter at math.unl.edu (Rex Dieter) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:24:35 -0500 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: Nicu Buculei wrote: > Markus McLaughlin wrote: >> If anyone loves the idea too, let's propose : FedoraNews.wordpress.com >> , which anyone can add a blog posting, >> a photo, a video in Theora & QuickTime from a FUDcon, audio using OGG >> Vorbis & AAC... > > How about you joining Fedora Weekly News and doing some work? We are in > need for contributors > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN definitely, less talk, more do. :) -- Rex From caillon at redhat.com Fri Jun 27 16:40:45 2008 From: caillon at redhat.com (Christopher Aillon) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:40:45 -0400 Subject: Can't get off email distribution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4865180D.9060309@redhat.com> Casey Jones wrote: > All, > > I apologize right off the bat if this is not the appropriate way to communicate this request or the right address to send this to. > > But, I have been trying to drop out of the email distribution list for the Fedora Ambassadors and any other email distributions I was signed up for. I'd like to continue, but I am just too flooded with emails that are work related or otherwise, and I need to recuse myself from these distribution lists. > > However, I have a problem. I logged into the admin area and couldn't see anywhere to unsubscribe myself. I did find a link to make myself "Inactive." As soon as I did this and saved changes, it forced me to log out and I couldn't log back in. > > But, the problem is that I'm still receiving the emails. Can someone please help??? At the bottom of every post on the mailing list(s) you're on, should be a link to the list interface. Click it, and it will let you unsubscribe from there. From caseyjones at runbox.com Fri Jun 27 17:06:08 2008 From: caseyjones at runbox.com (Casey Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Can't get off email distribution In-Reply-To: <4865180D.9060309@redhat.com> References: <4865180D.9060309@redhat.com> Message-ID: Oh, wow! I feel like a dummy! :) Thank you so much for your help!! Casey Jones ----- Start Original Message ----- Sent: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:40:45 -0400 From: Christopher Aillon To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base Subject: Re: Can't get off email distribution > Casey Jones wrote: > > All, > > > > I apologize right off the bat if this is not the appropriate way to communicate this request or the right address to send this to. > > > > But, I have been trying to drop out of the email distribution list for the Fedora Ambassadors and any other email distributions I was signed up for. I'd like to continue, but I am just too flooded with emails that are work related or otherwise, and I need to recuse myself from these distribution lists. > > > > However, I have a problem. I logged into the admin area and couldn't see anywhere to unsubscribe myself. I did find a link to make myself "Inactive." As soon as I did this and saved changes, it forced me to log out and I couldn't log back in. > > > > But, the problem is that I'm still receiving the emails. Can someone please help??? > > At the bottom of every post on the mailing list(s) you're on, should be > a link to the list interface. Click it, and it will let you unsubscribe > from there. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > ----- End Original Message ----- From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 17:22:13 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:22:13 -0600 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > >>> If anyone loves the idea too, let's propose : FedoraNews.wordpress.com >>> , which anyone can add a blog posting, >>> a photo, a video in Theora & QuickTime from a FUDcon, audio using OGG >>> Vorbis & AAC... >> >> How about you joining Fedora Weekly News and doing some work? We are in >> need for contributors >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN > > definitely, less talk, more do. :) A simple solution already exists, lets get these things on the Fedora channel on Miro. Jonathan Roberts can post anything there you like. https://www.miroguide.com/channels/6891 Would this work? Cheers, Clint From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 17:27:17 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:27:17 -0800 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910806271027w7340fbc9w8f96c39c40148c8a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. I think there are a lot of people chomping at the bit to get something done. A framework to work inside of would help a lot. But beyond just being a rep... we need some guidance on how to tell students and faculty how to take on Fedora relevant work as academic projects. >From my personal point of view, I already know what Fedora relevant work I want to encourage students to work on. I don't need a list of ideas, nor do I need a list of mentors. I'm pretty sure I can find individual existing contributors who would take on a student if I knock on the right doors inside our project. But what I need to know is some advice on how to approach both students and faculty in a way that they continue to be open to the subtly corrosive effects of my continued manipulation. What are the selling points that I need to stress to the students? What are the selling points I need to stress to the faculty who are going to end up giving students some sort of academic credit and possibly a grade for the work as part of their academic career? -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 17:51:45 2008 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:51:45 -0800 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > A simple solution already exists, lets get these things on the Fedora > channel on Miro. Jonathan Roberts can post anything there you like. Correction.. anything I like. I will have very stern things to say if there is a lot of Red Hat centric business 'news' being submitted ahead of Fedora community items. I have deliberately brought the subject of the miro channel to a Fedora community forum instead of pigeonholing people who work on Red Hat Magazine to avoid the easy solution of having the "professionals" create another outlet for their "news." That would defeat the whole point. I do not want those people directly involved, initially, because I don't want the Fedora Miro channel to have the same mouth feel as the RH Magazine's feed. I expect those people to drop material in to the Fedora feed eventually..but I don't want to encourage it until the character of the feed has been established as a community built resource. At the moment I'm really not sure Mark "gets it" yet. The best thing he can do is talk up or help with FWN as it exists now. -jef From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 18:10:39 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:10:39 -0600 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Clint Savage wrote: >> A simple solution already exists, lets get these things on the Fedora >> channel on Miro. Jonathan Roberts can post anything there you like. > > > Correction.. anything I like. Oops, agreed. I realized that right after I hit send. Sorry Jef. I will have very stern things to say if > there is a lot of Red Hat centric business 'news' being submitted > ahead of Fedora community items. I have deliberately brought the > subject of the miro channel to a Fedora community forum instead of > pigeonholing people who work on Red Hat Magazine to avoid the easy > solution of having the "professionals" create another outlet for their > "news." That would defeat the whole point. I do not want those > people directly involved, initially, because I don't want the Fedora > Miro channel to have the same mouth feel as the RH Magazine's feed. I > expect those people to drop material in to the Fedora feed > eventually..but I don't want to encourage it until the character of > the feed has been established as a community built resource. At the > moment I'm really not sure Mark "gets it" yet. The best thing he can > do is talk up or help with FWN as it exists now. > > -jef > Clearly I missed the purpose of the Miro channel. Seems this might be a bit different than I was thinking. Cheers, Clint From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 27 18:19:12 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:19:12 +0100 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806271119l465ad991gd50c5053921ff96b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/27 Clint Savage : > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Clint Savage wrote: >>> A simple solution already exists, lets get these things on the Fedora >>> channel on Miro. Jonathan Roberts can post anything there you like. >> >> >> Correction.. anything I like. > Anything we like might be a better way of phrasing, but that's being pedantic... > Clearly I missed the purpose of the Miro channel. Seems this might be > a bit different than I was thinking. What were you thinking? My thoughts are that this channel is to be used to share videos about Fedora - everything and anything about Fedora - provided it's a reasonable quality. This includes tutorials (like you've been doing), interviews, news bulletins (if anybody wanted to do them, why not?), contributor/user stories etc etc Best, Jon From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 18:51:53 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:51:53 -0600 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806271119l465ad991gd50c5053921ff96b@mail.gmail.com> References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806271119l465ad991gd50c5053921ff96b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > 2008/6/27 Clint Savage : >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Clint Savage wrote: >>>> A simple solution already exists, lets get these things on the Fedora >>>> channel on Miro. Jonathan Roberts can post anything there you like. >>> >>> >>> Correction.. anything I like. >> > > Anything we like might be a better way of phrasing, but that's being pedantic... > >> Clearly I missed the purpose of the Miro channel. Seems this might be >> a bit different than I was thinking. > > What were you thinking? > > My thoughts are that this channel is to be used to share videos about > Fedora - everything and anything about Fedora - provided it's a > reasonable quality. This includes tutorials (like you've been doing), > interviews, news bulletins (if anybody wanted to do them, why not?), > contributor/user stories etc etc > I was thinking pretty much what you just said. I re-read what Jef said as well, and I think those aren't mutually exclusive. I'm just thinking that if we put some cool features/news up as part of FedoraTV, it would still apply. I think the business news point is valid if it pertains to Fedora specifically, and I think that's appropriate. I am still new to the hierarchy and how things get approved in Fedora. Please forgive my ignorance :) Btw, I have Paul's keynote from FUDCon up on my fedora people page. Its audio only, but would that be appropriate to share on FedoraTV anyway? http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/ (has paul's name in it). Cheers, Clint From gdk at redhat.com Fri Jun 27 18:52:35 2008 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg Dekoenigsberg) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806271119l465ad991gd50c5053921ff96b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Clint Savage wrote: > Btw, I have Paul's keynote from FUDCon up on my fedora people page. > Its audio only, but would that be appropriate to share on FedoraTV > anyway? http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/ (has paul's name in it). /me wonders how that might work. Is Miro capable of sharing audio as well? If so, I don't see why not. JonRob? --g From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 27 19:05:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:35:58 +0530 Subject: Liberation Fonts Increase Document Interoperability Message-ID: <48653A16.7010204@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Debian had earlier rejected the font claiming the license is non-free but has now reversed that decision. At this point, all the major distributions already provide this font and many of them seem to include it by default too. http://www.quantenblog.net/free-software/liberation-fonts "Red Hat's Tom "spot" Callaway spoke to the FSF and they indicated the license was fine according to them. When I came across this issue, I asked the FSF once more, explicitly pointing them to RMS's point of view. They replied that they definitely consider this license to be valid. And thanks to the persistent work of Holger Levsen, we finally managed to convince the Debian ftp-masters as well." Rahul From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 27 19:52:38 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:52:38 +0100 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806271119l465ad991gd50c5053921ff96b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806271252x582197f1i9f9890d0877ae34c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/27 Greg Dekoenigsberg : > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Clint Savage wrote: > >> Btw, I have Paul's keynote from FUDCon up on my fedora people page. >> Its audio only, but would that be appropriate to share on FedoraTV >> anyway? http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/ (has paul's name in it). > > /me wonders how that might work. Is Miro capable of sharing audio as well? > If so, I don't see why not. JonRob? I've no idea, but I'll find out :) Lol, expect this list of Miro related things to be fixed tomorrow morning... Best, Jon > > --g > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Fri Jun 27 20:34:08 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:34:08 +0100 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806271252x582197f1i9f9890d0877ae34c@mail.gmail.com> References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806271119l465ad991gd50c5053921ff96b@mail.gmail.com> <507738ef0806271252x582197f1i9f9890d0877ae34c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806271334x74a8d324ue88f744ef7bb5570@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/27 Jonathan Roberts : > 2008/6/27 Greg Dekoenigsberg : >> >> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Clint Savage wrote: >> >>> Btw, I have Paul's keynote from FUDCon up on my fedora people page. >>> Its audio only, but would that be appropriate to share on FedoraTV >>> anyway? http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/ (has paul's name in it). >> >> /me wonders how that might work. Is Miro capable of sharing audio as well? >> If so, I don't see why not. JonRob? > > I've no idea, but I'll find out :) Lol, expect this list of Miro > related things to be fixed tomorrow morning... Miro does appear to be capable of sending out just audio too. I'll put up the audio of Paul's talk on Sunday perhaps? Seems like every other day would be a good way to go, but that might be a little ambitious. Best, Jon From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 05:17:06 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:17:06 +0800 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <48650408.2020506@nicubunu.ro> <604aa7910806271051q3252f611rea3ba149132aa1d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4865C952.3050409@fedoraproject.org> +1 Thanks you & Have a Nice Day Best Regards, Jason Benedict Low ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Clint Savage wrote: > >> A simple solution already exists, lets get these things on the Fedora >> channel on Miro. Jonathan Roberts can post anything there you like. >> > > > Correction.. anything I like. I will have very stern things to say if > there is a lot of Red Hat centric business 'news' being submitted > ahead of Fedora community items. I have deliberately brought the > subject of the miro channel to a Fedora community forum instead of > pigeonholing people who work on Red Hat Magazine to avoid the easy > solution of having the "professionals" create another outlet for their > "news." That would defeat the whole point. I do not want those > people directly involved, initially, because I don't want the Fedora > Miro channel to have the same mouth feel as the RH Magazine's feed. I > expect those people to drop material in to the Fedora feed > eventually..but I don't want to encourage it until the character of > the feed has been established as a community built resource. At the > moment I'm really not sure Mark "gets it" yet. The best thing he can > do is talk up or help with FWN as it exists now. > > -jef > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unix-advocate at gmx.com Sat Jun 28 05:38:24 2008 From: unix-advocate at gmx.com (Chip Smith) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:38:24 -0400 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <486506FE.5070902@redhat.com> References: <54333.VwBUX1dRCno=.1214579066.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <486506FE.5070902@redhat.com> Message-ID: Here is an idea why don' t we try to form our own wensite I could provide the domain name or donate an exisiting own which I already own that being linuxunixwoeld.net Thanks, Porter Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Ruth Suehle wrote: > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >>> I too think there should a Fedora News Channel site covering success >>> stories >>> with Fedora, Red Hat related news concerning Fedora, educational >>> uses of >>> Fedora, multimedia uses, and FUN things to do with it as well. >>> >>> >> So do I :) >> >> However, Red Hat already has its own magazine, let's keep both >> separated, >> don't you think ? >> > > Those are also just the sorts of things we'd love to run under the > Fedora tag on Red Hat Magazine. > http://www.redhatmagazine.com/category/fedora/ > > Ruth > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 28 07:10:08 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:10:08 +0100 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: References: <54333.VwBUX1dRCno=.1214579066.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <486506FE.5070902@redhat.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806280010q2ddcd2cfp4b76569bf5891073@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/28 Chip Smith : > Here is an idea why don' t we try to form our own wensite I could provide > the domain name or donate an exisiting own which I already own that being > linuxunixwoeld.net There's no need to form a separate website on a separate domain. Fedora has the capacity to host it itself, and also the expertise to implement it, it would be much better if you were to join the infrastructure team and offer to help them... or if that doesn't interest you keep an eye out on this list for the announcement of when things are ready for writers and editors to begin work on what's happening already and offer to help out there. Best, Jon From kushaldas at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 09:34:41 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:04:41 +0530 Subject: My First Linux Desktop Message-ID: <200806281504.42222.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi all, Erik Huggers, a Microsoft guy at the BBC, takes a look at Fedora 9 as his first Linux desktop and finds it surprisingly good. "I am glad that I got a chance to test drive Fedora and as a result have come to believe in the potential of Linux as a mainstream operating system." Read it full at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/erik_linux.html Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 28 09:49:28 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:49:28 +0100 Subject: My First Linux Desktop In-Reply-To: <200806281504.42222.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <200806281504.42222.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806280249s60ebbbd7q19c2ffdc05816433@mail.gmail.com> > Read it full at > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/erik_linux.html Good to see them talking about Fedora as well for a change :) Often the BBC talk about Ubuntu without any suggestion that other versions of Linux exist. I've met a few people from the BBC in my time, and they've all seemed pretty clued up (they've been the behind the scenes people) and this reinforces that opinion for me. Thanks for sharing... Jon From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 28 10:30:59 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:30:59 +0100 Subject: Help Needed: Is Miro Updating? Message-ID: <507738ef0806280330y3d62915fj6e851fbc196f377f@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I updated the feed for Miro last night to include one of Kushal's videos, but I'm not seeing it update on either miroguide.com or Miro itself. Could somebody else check to see that it's not just me this is happening to, and also have a look to see if they can figure out what I've done wrong (I don't think I've done anything, but often it's easy to miss simple things!). The feed URL is: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml Best, Jon From kushaldas at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 10:50:21 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:20:21 +0530 Subject: Help Needed: Is Miro Updating? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806280330y3d62915fj6e851fbc196f377f@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806280330y3d62915fj6e851fbc196f377f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806281620.21869.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Saturday 28 June 2008 04:00:59 pm Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I updated the feed for Miro last night to include one of Kushal's > videos, but I'm not seeing it update on either miroguide.com or Miro > itself. Could somebody else check to see that it's not just me this is > happening to, and also have a look to see if they can figure out what > I've done wrong (I don't think I've done anything, but often it's easy > to miss simple things!). The feed URL is: Yes, I can see the video, but it is getting in freeze after few seconds. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 28 10:53:31 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:53:31 +0100 Subject: Help Needed: Is Miro Updating? In-Reply-To: <200806281620.21869.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806280330y3d62915fj6e851fbc196f377f@mail.gmail.com> <200806281620.21869.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806280353r75d2d407k4e272f309da8e859@mail.gmail.com> > Yes, I can see the video, but it is getting in freeze after few seconds. You can see the video in Miro or from the feed? Best, Jon From kushaldas at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 10:55:43 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:25:43 +0530 Subject: Help Needed: Is Miro Updating? In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806280353r75d2d407k4e272f309da8e859@mail.gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806280330y3d62915fj6e851fbc196f377f@mail.gmail.com> <200806281620.21869.kushaldas@gmail.com> <507738ef0806280353r75d2d407k4e272f309da8e859@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806281625.43220.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Saturday 28 June 2008 04:23:31 pm Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Yes, I can see the video, but it is getting in freeze after few seconds. > > You can see the video in Miro or from the feed? >From miro :) Btw, the feed is talking about Fedora 8. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sat Jun 28 11:13:00 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:13:00 +0100 Subject: Help Needed: Is Miro Updating? In-Reply-To: <200806281625.43220.kushaldas@gmail.com> References: <507738ef0806280330y3d62915fj6e851fbc196f377f@mail.gmail.com> <200806281620.21869.kushaldas@gmail.com> <507738ef0806280353r75d2d407k4e272f309da8e859@mail.gmail.com> <200806281625.43220.kushaldas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <507738ef0806280413j395276f6p4c06412631b90cc9@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/28 Kushal Das : > On Saturday 28 June 2008 04:23:31 pm Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> > Yes, I can see the video, but it is getting in freeze after few seconds. >> >> You can see the video in Miro or from the feed? > >From miro :) > Btw, the feed is talking about Fedora 8. Hmm yeah that was intentional but I think it's probably better if I revise it! Best, Jon From linux.charged at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 17:29:56 2008 From: linux.charged at gmail.com (Junior Tomazelli) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:29:56 -0300 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: <507738ef0806280010q2ddcd2cfp4b76569bf5891073@mail.gmail.com> References: <54333.VwBUX1dRCno=.1214579066.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> <486506FE.5070902@redhat.com> <507738ef0806280010q2ddcd2cfp4b76569bf5891073@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: + 1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hudsonman35 at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 22:50:36 2008 From: hudsonman35 at gmail.com (Markus McLaughlin) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:50:36 -0400 Subject: The only way I will submit news to FWN.... Message-ID: The only way I would contribute to Fedora Weekly News is to also have the Fedora related News I write appear on my Linux Blog which I want to convert to a Magazine with other Writers who care about Linux as I do. 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URL: From jaa at redhat.com Sun Jun 29 02:18:54 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:18:54 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> Hey All, I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, but I was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what you would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than the current ambassadors setup. I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. Thanks, Jack Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with Fedora > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past couple > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which I > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. > > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is > constant action and interest in Fedora. > > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so > far there is interest. > > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. > > Thanks, > Jack > From jaa at redhat.com Sun Jun 29 02:23:23 2008 From: jaa at redhat.com (Jack Aboutboul) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:23:23 -0400 Subject: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4866F21B.2080005@redhat.com> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > I too think there should a Fedora News Channel site covering success > stories with Fedora, Red Hat related news concerning Fedora, > educational uses of Fedora, multimedia uses, and FUN things to do with > it as well. So as a point of discussion, some time ago (maybe 7 or 8 months) I proposed in a meeting that we create a professional produced news show surrounding Fedora. If there is renewed interest then I propose we discuss this at the next marketing meeting and maybe we can bring in some Red Hat A/V folks into the mix as well. What do you think? Jack From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 04:03:16 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:03:16 -0700 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080806282103mcd79451me420949543e243db@mail.gmail.com> Jack -- I think the idea of getting a foothold into colleges is a good one. I'm not entirely clear how advocating for Fedora in the school setting differs from what we would normally do as ambassadors, but I'm willing to be educated. :-) What I would expect from such a program is, essentially, support for our evangelism as promote Fedora on campus. Swag is always nice -- it may not appeal so much to me, a 50-year-old freshman, as it does to younger students -- and But bright ideas? Hmmm. I'm open to new ideas, but I can tell you what we're doing so far at Cabrillo College. The Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group holds biweekly installfests during the school semesters (monthly during the summer). During new releases -- like the Fedora 9 release -- the installfests take on a "theme," and in the Fedora 9 instance it was "Hats Off to Fedora 9" back in May. Generally speaking, there is always a Fedora presence at meetings and installfests (by me, for one, but we've also had another local ambassador, Karsten Wade, attend as well). There's no reason why we couldn't ramp that up to have info sessions and/or tech talk types of events on campus during the course of the school year. One of the things we're doing at Cabrillo College is creating our own distro, called Seahawk GNU/Linux (the Seahawk is the Cabrillo mascot). Not that the world needs yet another distro, mind you, but we're using the project as a teaching tool more than an actual distro that will take the world by storm. Of course, it's based on Fedora. How that translates into promotional value for Fedora is that those of us working on the project -- students in the Computer and Information Systems department primarily -- work specifically with Fedora and, as a result, gain a familiarity to it. Also, as Fedora is connected to the distro, those who get introduced to GNU/Linux through the school-based distro get a sort of introduction to Fedora as well (and, naturally, they might be inclined -- or urged -- to use Fedora). For those who have stayed awake up to this point, thanks for reading. Larry Cafiero http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero On 6/28/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, but I > was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what you > would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than the > current ambassadors setup. > > I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. > > Thanks, > Jack > > > Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told > > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with Fedora > > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past couple > > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which I > > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus > > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox > > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body > > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. > > > > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info > > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is > > constant action and interest in Fedora. > > > > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week > > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially > > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from > > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so > > far there is interest. > > > > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people > > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over > > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. > > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From larry.cafiero at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 04:06:21 2008 From: larry.cafiero at gmail.com (Larry Cafiero) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:06:21 -0700 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080806282103mcd79451me420949543e243db@mail.gmail.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806282103mcd79451me420949543e243db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a0d56080806282106k7263eec5u58c8c0b1f706da6d@mail.gmail.com> Oops. Second paragraph should read: What I would expect from such a program is, essentially, support for our evangelism as promote Fedora on campus. Swag is always nice -- it may not appeal so much to me, a 50-year-old freshman, as it does to younger students -- and general promotional support in the form of providing software and other instructional materials to introduce students to Fedora, if they exist (and, to say the least, we can draw from our own experiences in promoting Fedora on campus). Sorry On 6/28/08, Larry Cafiero wrote: > Jack -- > > I think the idea of getting a foothold into colleges is a good one. > I'm not entirely clear how advocating for Fedora in the school setting > differs from what we would normally do as ambassadors, but I'm willing > to be educated. :-) > > What I would expect from such a program is, essentially, support for > our evangelism as promote Fedora on campus. Swag is always nice -- it > may not appeal so much to me, a 50-year-old freshman, as it does to > younger students -- and > > But bright ideas? Hmmm. I'm open to new ideas, but I can tell you what > we're doing so far at Cabrillo College. > > The Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group holds biweekly installfests > during the school semesters (monthly during the summer). During new > releases -- like the Fedora 9 release -- the installfests take on a > "theme," and in the Fedora 9 instance it was "Hats Off to Fedora 9" > back in May. > > Generally speaking, there is always a Fedora presence at meetings and > installfests (by me, for one, but we've also had another local > ambassador, Karsten Wade, attend as well). There's no reason why we > couldn't ramp that up to have info sessions and/or tech talk types of > events on campus during the course of the school year. > > One of the things we're doing at Cabrillo College is creating our own > distro, called Seahawk GNU/Linux (the Seahawk is the Cabrillo mascot). > Not that the world needs yet another distro, mind you, but we're using > the project as a teaching tool more than an actual distro that will > take the world by storm. Of course, it's based on Fedora. > > How that translates into promotional value for Fedora is that those of > us working on the project -- students in the Computer and Information > Systems department primarily -- work specifically with Fedora and, as > a result, gain a familiarity to it. Also, as Fedora is connected to > the distro, those who get introduced to GNU/Linux through the > school-based distro get a sort of introduction to Fedora as well (and, > naturally, they might be inclined -- or urged -- to use Fedora). > > For those who have stayed awake up to this point, thanks for reading. > > > Larry Cafiero > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero > > > On 6/28/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, but I > > was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what you > > would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than the > > current ambassadors setup. > > > > I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. > > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > > > > Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told > > > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with Fedora > > > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past couple > > > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which I > > > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus > > > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox > > > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body > > > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. > > > > > > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info > > > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is > > > constant action and interest in Fedora. > > > > > > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week > > > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially > > > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students from > > > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so > > > far there is interest. > > > > > > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people > > > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over > > > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > From angel.fedora at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 10:09:49 2008 From: angel.fedora at gmail.com (Angel) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:09:49 +0600 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <7a0d56080806282106k7263eec5u58c8c0b1f706da6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806282103mcd79451me420949543e243db@mail.gmail.com> <7a0d56080806282106k7263eec5u58c8c0b1f706da6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks like, I have missed the conversation. Sorry for late reply. Add me in there too. I am from Bangladesh. Student of National University. I am also a Fedora Ambassador and I am working as the President of ?Dhaka City College Linux User Group?. Also I am working with Bangladesh Linux User Alliance. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Larry Cafiero wrote: > Oops. > > Second paragraph should read: > > What I would expect from such a program is, essentially, support for > our evangelism as promote Fedora on campus. Swag is always nice -- it > may not appeal so much to me, a 50-year-old freshman, as it does to > younger students -- and general promotional support in the form of > providing software and other instructional materials to introduce > students to Fedora, if they exist (and, to say the least, we can draw > from our own experiences in promoting Fedora on campus). > > Sorry > > > > On 6/28/08, Larry Cafiero wrote: > > Jack -- > > > > I think the idea of getting a foothold into colleges is a good one. > > I'm not entirely clear how advocating for Fedora in the school setting > > differs from what we would normally do as ambassadors, but I'm willing > > to be educated. :-) > > > > What I would expect from such a program is, essentially, support for > > our evangelism as promote Fedora on campus. Swag is always nice -- it > > may not appeal so much to me, a 50-year-old freshman, as it does to > > younger students -- and > > > > But bright ideas? Hmmm. I'm open to new ideas, but I can tell you what > > we're doing so far at Cabrillo College. > > > > The Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group holds biweekly installfests > > during the school semesters (monthly during the summer). During new > > releases -- like the Fedora 9 release -- the installfests take on a > > "theme," and in the Fedora 9 instance it was "Hats Off to Fedora 9" > > back in May. > > > > Generally speaking, there is always a Fedora presence at meetings and > > installfests (by me, for one, but we've also had another local > > ambassador, Karsten Wade, attend as well). There's no reason why we > > couldn't ramp that up to have info sessions and/or tech talk types of > > events on campus during the course of the school year. > > > > One of the things we're doing at Cabrillo College is creating our own > > distro, called Seahawk GNU/Linux (the Seahawk is the Cabrillo mascot). > > Not that the world needs yet another distro, mind you, but we're using > > the project as a teaching tool more than an actual distro that will > > take the world by storm. Of course, it's based on Fedora. > > > > How that translates into promotional value for Fedora is that those of > > us working on the project -- students in the Computer and Information > > Systems department primarily -- work specifically with Fedora and, as > > a result, gain a familiarity to it. Also, as Fedora is connected to > > the distro, those who get introduced to GNU/Linux through the > > school-based distro get a sort of introduction to Fedora as well (and, > > naturally, they might be inclined -- or urged -- to use Fedora). > > > > For those who have stayed awake up to this point, thanks for reading. > > > > > > Larry Cafiero > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero > > > > > > On 6/28/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > > > I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, > but I > > > was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what > you > > > would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than > the > > > current ambassadors setup. > > > > > > I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > > > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was > told > > > > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with > Fedora > > > > and Fedora marketing efforts. I have been working for the past > couple > > > > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors > which I > > > > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". The mission of the campus > > > > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the > Firefox > > > > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student > body > > > > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. > > > > > > > > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info > > > > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there > is > > > > constant action and interest in Fedora. > > > > > > > > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next > week > > > > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and > officially > > > > launch. I have already been in contact with a number of students > from > > > > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and > so > > > > far there is interest. > > > > > > > > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what > people > > > > had to say. My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or > over > > > > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sanjay_ankur at yahoo.co.in Sun Jun 29 11:05:02 2008 From: sanjay_ankur at yahoo.co.in (ankur sinha) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:35:02 +0530 (IST) Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <103014.20595.qm@web8413.mail.in.yahoo.com> hi,looks like ive missed a lot too.. ?Im a student myself and an Ambassador.. the ideas great (im in) .. however what exactly are we doing ?? i mean has a draft or something been drawn up?? Objectives etc?? plan of action ?? regards, --- On Sun, 29/6/08, Angel wrote: From: Angel Subject: Re: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" Date: Sunday, 29 June, 2008, 3:39 PM Looks like, I have missed the conversation. Sorry for late reply. Add me in there too. I am from Bangladesh. Student of National University. I am also a Fedora Ambassador and I am working as the President of ?Dhaka City College Linux User Group?. Also I am working with Bangladesh Linux User Alliance. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Larry Cafiero wrote: Oops. Second paragraph should read: What I would expect from such a program is, essentially, support for our evangelism as promote Fedora on campus. Swag is always nice -- it may not appeal so much to me, a 50-year-old freshman, as it does to younger students -- and general promotional support in the form of providing software and other instructional materials to introduce students to Fedora, if they exist (and, to say the least, we can draw from our own experiences in promoting Fedora on campus). Sorry On 6/28/08, Larry Cafiero wrote: > Jack -- > > ?I think the idea of getting a foothold into colleges is a good one. > ?I'm not entirely clear how advocating for Fedora in the school setting > ?differs from what we would normally do as ambassadors, but I'm willing > ?to be educated. :-) > > ?What I would expect from such a program is, essentially, support for > ?our evangelism as promote Fedora on campus. Swag is always nice -- it > ?may not appeal so much to me, a 50-year-old freshman, as it does to > ?younger students -- and > > ?But bright ideas? Hmmm. I'm open to new ideas, but I can tell you what > ?we're doing so far at Cabrillo College. > > ?The Cabrillo College GNU/Linux Users Group holds biweekly installfests > ?during the school semesters (monthly during the summer). During new > ?releases -- like the Fedora 9 release -- the installfests take on a > ?"theme," and in the Fedora 9 instance it was "Hats Off to Fedora 9" > ?back in May. > > ?Generally speaking, there is always a Fedora presence at meetings and > ?installfests (by me, for one, but we've also had another local > ?ambassador, Karsten Wade, attend as well). There's no reason why we > ?couldn't ramp that up to have info sessions and/or tech talk types of > ?events on campus during the course of the school year. > > ?One of the things we're doing at Cabrillo College is creating our own > ?distro, called Seahawk GNU/Linux (the Seahawk is the Cabrillo mascot). > ?Not that the world needs yet another distro, mind you, but we're using > ?the project as a teaching tool more than an actual distro that will > ?take the world by storm. Of course, it's based on Fedora. > > ?How that translates into promotional value for Fedora is that those of > ?us working on the project -- students in the Computer and Information > ?Systems department primarily -- work specifically with Fedora and, as > ?a result, gain a familiarity to it. Also, as Fedora is connected to > ?the distro, those who get introduced to GNU/Linux through the > ?school-based distro get a sort of introduction to Fedora as well (and, > ?naturally, they might be inclined -- or urged -- to use Fedora). > > ?For those who have stayed awake up to this point, thanks for reading. > > > ?Larry Cafiero > ?http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero > > > ?On 6/28/08, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > ?> Hey All, > ?> > ?> ?I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, but I > ?> was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what you > ?> would expect out of such a program? ?I want it to be different than the > ?> current ambassadors setup. > ?> > ?> ?I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. > ?> > ?> ?Thanks, > ?> ?Jack > ?> > ?> > ?> ?Jack Aboutboul wrote: > ?> > ?> > Hey All, > ?> > > ?> > I'm sorry I missed the marketing meeting earlier today, but I was told > ?> > that there was discussion of recruiting students to help out with Fedora > ?> > and Fedora marketing efforts. ?I have been working for the past couple > ?> > of weeks to put together something modeled after the ambassadors which I > ?> > tentatively call "Campus Ambassadors". ?The mission of the campus > ?> > ambassadors is something similar to what Mozilla does with the Firefox > ?> > Campus Rep program--to have someone who can speak to the student body > ?> > about Fedora and represent Fedora at relevant campus events. > ?> > > ?> > Also, I am looking to require campus ambassadors to hold one info > ?> > session or tech talk type thing per semester to make sure that there is > ?> > constant action and interest in Fedora. > ?> > > ?> > There will be a community architecture team meeting in Raleigh next week > ?> > at which I would like to present the final plan for this and officially > ?> > launch. ?I have already been in contact with a number of students from > ?> > various universities (Berkeley, Oswego, CMU, Auburn, Texas A&M) and so > ?> > far there is interest. > ?> > > ?> > Just thought I would kick the idea out to the list and see what people > ?> > had to say. ?My plan is to put up a wiki page for this tomorrow or over > ?> > the weekend, so that it can be presented next week. > ?> > > ?> > Thanks, > ?> > Jack > ?> > > ?> > > ?> > ?> ?-- > ?> ?Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > ?> ?Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > ?> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > ?> > -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Angel Fedora -- Freedom? and rapid innovation -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food and more. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo..com/groups/bestofyahoo/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inode0 at gmail.com Sun Jun 29 13:00:37 2008 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:00:37 -0500 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, but I > was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what you > would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than the > current ambassadors setup. > > I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. A few thoughts now on reaching out to students ... perhaps later I'll add some thoughts about reaching out to faculty and researchers. One thing that would be immensely helpful to all campus communities is promotional materials that could be distributed around campus. I don't mean swag, but rather informational items like posters. Linux meetings reach only a tiny part of campus. We need to catch the eye of people all over campus. Posters located in the Design College just might catch the eye of some budding graphics designer who would love a project where their art might actually be used for example, but they are unlikely candidates for attending a local LUG/FUG meeting. How many marketing majors are aware that there are real life marketing opportunities for them within the Fedora project while they are still students? Reaching these students should be one focus of any campus outreach. If promotional material could be targeted to specific areas of need that would be helpful too in getting the idea across to the technical writing student that Fedora has something for *them* to do to contribute. We can make students aware of Fedora with general Fedora events, banners, posters. If we want new students to become actively involved they need to see how they can contribute to the project by doing things they are interested in doing. Not just look and say, "oh Fedora, that's cool" as they walk by. Similarly it would be nice to reach students more widely than we can now when recruiting participants for Summer of Code projects or for Fedora intern positions. While faculty is generally receptive to passing along information about such opportunities to students there is a limit to what can be expected of busy faculty members. Taping up a poster outside the office or in the classroom is not too much of a burden. In all campus advertising I think it is really critical to make it easy for the student to contact someone who can help guide them along in their first steps. Ideally, I think there should be a local contact on each promotional item. That way someone they can talk to directly can help them join the Fedora project and mediate a contact between the student and an appropriate mentor whether that mentor is local or someone within the broader Fedora community. John From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 29 16:30:21 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:30:21 +0100 Subject: New Miro Update Message-ID: <507738ef0806290930y7edbe507q676832227d96dead@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Just thought I'd let you know I've just updated the Fedora TV channel to include the recording Clint made of Paul's FUDCon speech. Should be hitting Miro soon - hopefully the plain audio works :) Best, Jon From pcalarco at nd.edu Sun Jun 29 17:16:42 2008 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:16:42 -0400 Subject: FWN: Marketing beat complete Message-ID: <4867C37A.6050201@nd.edu> Just a quick note that the Marketing beat has been updated from last week and is complete. Everyone, if you plan to have your beat in for this week, please echo to the list so we have an idea if we have enough content for an issue this week. It seems there is significant momentum building to evolve FWN from the wiki to Wordpress and/or Fedora TV. We may want to start some discussion around this after we get the next issue out. Certainly we could reference and create RSS feeds for audio and video items posted to Fedora TV from within a Wordpress FWN. What needs to happen still to move over to Wordpress Multiuser, and is help needed to get this accomplished? Thanks all! - pascal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PascalCalarco From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Jun 29 17:29:12 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:29:12 +0100 Subject: FWN: Marketing beat complete In-Reply-To: <4867C37A.6050201@nd.edu> References: <4867C37A.6050201@nd.edu> Message-ID: <507738ef0806291029w6baf9906ga6f72e8eef2ec832@mail.gmail.com> > Certainly we could reference and create RSS feeds for audio and video items > posted to Fedora TV from within a Wordpress FWN. What needs to happen > still to move over to Wordpress Multiuser, and is help needed to get this > accomplished? Thanks all! Keep an eye on the infrastructure list over the next few days, there should be some information up soon. Whatever happens though, once there's concrete tasks that need doing I'll be sure to let everyone on the lists know :) Best, Jon From linux at elfshadow.net Sun Jun 29 19:48:19 2008 From: linux at elfshadow.net (Jeffrey Tadlock) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:48:19 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <10e0a9b00806291248v235c666fy5b3d07c5ff6443c7@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, but I > was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what you > would expect out of such a program? I think ambassadors targeting colleges and universities is an excellent direction. These are the folks that are going to influence various decisions and how work is done in the future. Exposing them to open source tools, philosophies and Fedora while in school is a great way to both bolster the number of contributors to the project and build a user base. Several have already made excellent suggestions already as to more specific areas to target and such. > I want it to be different than the > current ambassadors setup. Given that many of the responders to the thread are already Fedora Ambassadors and ready to help, why do you want a different setup than the current ambassadors? If the current isn't seen as working well - then lets focus on fixing that so both ambassadors working on a college campus and those of us working at open source conferences and events can all benefit. What do we gain by not working within the Ambassador framework for this? I think this is a project that fits under the Ambassador group quite nicely and would let us build on lessons already learned by that group and also allow for lessons learned by ambassadors working on college campuses to feed back into the ambassador group as well. Regards, Jeffrey From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 12:58:27 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:58:27 +0000 Subject: The only way I will submit news to FWN.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1214830707.3468.23.camel@victoria> On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 18:50 -0400, Markus McLaughlin wrote: > The only way I would contribute to Fedora Weekly News is to also have > the Fedora related News I write appear on my Linux Blog which I want > to convert to a Magazine with other Writers who care about Linux as I > do. This is how I want to do it... There's no reason at all you couldn't write a beat for FWN and also post it on your blog. If you would like to contribute some action to Fedora, that's a fine way to get involved. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Jun 30 13:19:13 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:19:13 -0400 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4868DD51.3040803@kanarip.com> Markus McLaughlin wrote: > I remember Red Hat Linux all too well, I think it needed to go away for > a while, but now that Vista isn't doing so well, it is time to revive > RHL but have it sold to Small Businesses instead. Have you considered recommending CentOS? -Jeroen From jbenedictlow at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 13:48:17 2008 From: jbenedictlow at gmail.com (Jason Benedict Low) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:48:17 +0800 Subject: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!! In-Reply-To: <4868DD51.3040803@kanarip.com> References: <4868DD51.3040803@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <4868E421.7080508@gmail.com> Server end use RHEL for most of my clients. Desktop wise, we have a mixed env - some uses Fedora Core, some MacOSX and Some WinXP (we are trying to move them to Fedora else Mac instaed.) Best Regards, Jason ------ When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. ------ Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Markus McLaughlin wrote: >> I remember Red Hat Linux all too well, I think it needed to go away >> for a while, but now that Vista isn't doing so well, it is time to >> revive RHL but have it sold to Small Businesses instead. > > Have you considered recommending CentOS? > > -Jeroen > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Jun 30 18:37:39 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:37:39 -0700 Subject: OSCON 2008 ? Message-ID: <486927F3.4010007@redhat.com> Hi, I've been following the OSCON page and wondering if there are any more updates coming, particularly with the BOF, swag, and all the TODOs below? Three weeks to go! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON/OSCON2008#TODOs John From aravind at aravind.name Mon Jun 30 19:58:25 2008 From: aravind at aravind.name (Aravind Seshadri) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:58:25 -0500 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <7a0d56080806262247g33a4ad0y2a69ecd3beb970f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1214855905.18006.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 14:11 +0800, Izhar Firdaus wrote: > Count me in too .. I'm a student in PETRONAS University of Technology > (Malaysia) .. already an ambassador and also one of the founding > members of a FOSS user group in the university, the maintainer of a > LAN Fedora mirror there, and also the admin for fedora-my :) .. > Count me in too... I am a student from Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, Oklahoma. Regards, Aravind http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Aravind -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 489 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From loupgaroublond at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 21:21:10 2008 From: loupgaroublond at gmail.com (Yaakov Nemoy) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:21:10 +0200 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <7f692fec0806301421u2f8a28ddl7a8f918fffb36032@mail.gmail.com> Sure, On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > Hey All, > > I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, but I > was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what you > would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than the > current ambassadors setup. > > I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. I think it would be great to have a class that just focuses on open source tools. I think I might have spoken to you about this before. CS classes seem to be missing some practical lessons, like what to do when your computer fails, how to install an operating system and programs, how to build up a customized IDE, how to work with source control, how to fiddle with an email program, and completely ignores classical errors especially when working with real world libraries taht can spit up any number of exceptions. I think the lesson would follow something like this: Day 1: Learn about GPG, homework, make GPG keys and submit them to a server Day 2: Key signing party. All homework will be signed with your GPG key Day 3: Error codes and exceptions, homework, here's a broken piece of hardware, read a file or character stream from it. Etc.... -Yaakov From irashadul at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 22:50:57 2008 From: irashadul at gmail.com (Rashadul Islam) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:50:57 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <7f692fec0806301421u2f8a28ddl7a8f918fffb36032@mail.gmail.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> <4866F10E.4000206@redhat.com> <7f692fec0806301421u2f8a28ddl7a8f918fffb36032@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17fa59580806301550j3a966885q9501f086c8d3301f@mail.gmail.com> hi all: i believe each ambassador has a plan to hold the perfection of Fedora Community. Let find and give some option to the new people who really wants to help Fedora and its Community. In this way, we can make a difference to the goal. The Ambassadors should be a guide of those Student Ambassador and help them when and whenever they want. More than, encourage them to the best. Once again, the aim of Fedora ambassadors are different than Student Ambassadors. We should work beside the student network and let them learn one step ahead to make Fedora more wide in marketing. Regards, Rashadul Islam ---------------------- Fedora Ambassador Home Site: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RashadulIslam On 6/30/08, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: > > Sure, > > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Jack Aboutboul wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to join, but I > > was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and what you > > would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than the > > current ambassadors setup. > > > > I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them. > > I think it would be great to have a class that just focuses on open > source tools. I think I might have spoken to you about this before. > CS classes seem to be missing some practical lessons, like what to do > when your computer fails, how to install an operating system and > programs, how to build up a customized IDE, how to work with source > control, how to fiddle with an email program, and completely ignores > classical errors especially when working with real world libraries > taht can spit up any number of exceptions. > > I think the lesson would follow something like this: > Day 1: Learn about GPG, homework, make GPG keys and submit them to a server > Day 2: Key signing party. All homework will be signed with your GPG key > Day 3: Error codes and exceptions, homework, here's a broken piece of > hardware, read a file or character stream from it. > > Etc.... > > -Yaakov > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asalles at ucentral.cl Mon Jun 30 22:59:49 2008 From: asalles at ucentral.cl (=?UTF-8?Q?Antonio_Sebasti=C3=A1n_Sall=C3=A9s_M.?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:59:49 -0400 Subject: Recruiting Students (Campus Ambassadors) In-Reply-To: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> References: <48647973.2010606@redhat.com> Message-ID: 2008/6/27 Jack Aboutboul : > Hey All, > Count me in too... I am teacher from Universidad Central, in Chile, and work for Red Hat Chile as Consultant. I'm ambassador from Santiago de Chile and can help u in all. -- Saludos! Antonio Sebasti?n Sall?s M. 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