Marketing meeting 2009-06-30 log

[Ian Weller]

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Ian Weller <ian at ianweller.org>
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20:01:59 <ianweller> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing
20:02:01 <ianweller> #chair themayor
20:02:07 <ianweller> :)
20:04:05 <ianweller> where's the list of people themayor usually pings lol
20:04:33 <themayor> im here
20:04:59 <themayor> i usually ping moixs, mizmo, herlo, err who else
20:05:30 <themayor> inode0: ping
20:05:34 <themayor> jds2001: ping
20:06:13 <themayor> anyway
20:06:18 <themayor> lets just get started
20:08:06 <themayor> okay so basically i wanted to discuss as a follow up from last weeks meeting
20:08:12 <themayor> there has been some action on foobar
20:08:33 <mizmo> yoyo
20:08:38 <themayor> rahul and some others have been working on news.fp.o, or they were actually and there was no traction for a while
20:09:02 <themayor> so after some confusion, rahul sort of agreed we should ditch that
20:09:25 <ianweller> is foobar the name or just the codename we're working with
20:09:47 <themayor> just the codename
20:09:52 <ianweller> ok
20:09:59 <themayor> we havent picked a name yet, but as you can see many have been offered
20:10:21 <themayor> i dont think its important to pick a name right now, before we start getting things together, maybe next week we can spend time picking a name
20:10:29 <themayor> mizmo: have you seen the wiki page
20:10:30 <ianweller> understood
20:10:44 <mizmo> themayor: last week i did im guessing theres more content since then?
20:10:59 <themayor> some, i dont know when you looked at it
20:11:31 <themayor> anyway so basically jonrob, you are back in action?
20:11:48 <JonRob> i'm on summer vacation now, yeah :)
20:11:54 <ianweller> #topic foobar
20:12:25 <themayor> okay, great, and i take it you intend to help with project foobar then?
20:12:34 <JonRob> i would love to
20:12:54 <JonRob> i worked pretty hard and long for news.fp.o, so if we can get its natural successor up and running, i'd be very happy
20:12:55 <themayor> awesome alright
20:13:08 <themayor> yeah i think this new project has alot of potentiak
20:13:35 <themayor> okay so all that being said, i think we should try and do 2 things today
20:14:00 <themayor> first, see if we want to add anything to the goals, or direction of the project while we are still in the early phases
20:14:14 <themayor> and then second, lets start figuring out some action items and gettting the ball rolling
20:14:44 <themayor> sound good?
20:15:42 <ianweller> sure
20:16:47 <mizmo> themayor: i want a rawhide weather report lol
20:16:56 <themayor> we can do that
20:17:00 <themayor> lol
20:17:08 <themayor> something to talk to jesse about
20:17:14 <ianweller> that's one of the proposals i think
20:17:19 <ianweller> determining how rainy rawhide is
20:17:29 <themayor> the project is great because i think each sub group can manage their own thing too
20:17:49 <themayor> okay so first up, everyone pull up the wiki page and tell me if you think we need to add anything"
20:17:51 <themayor> ?
20:18:25 <JonRob> Some kind of editorial role to ensure quality of content?
20:18:46 <JonRob> if this is to be the face of fedora to the outside world, everything needs to be spot on
20:18:59 <themayor> yes sort of
20:19:04 <ianweller> how are we going to increase the amount of video/audio production
20:19:20 <themayor> i think what we will have is an editorial board responsible for monitoring each section, and the respective team
20:19:37 <themayor> ianweller: i am going to work alot on content production
20:19:49 <JonRob> themayor: yeah, exactly
20:19:52 <themayor> and we will get others
20:20:12 <themayor> we already have people doing it
20:20:33 <themayor> and when people see this flourish they will be interested in jumping on board
20:20:59 <JonRob> i wouldn't underestimate how hard getting enough content will be
20:21:09 <JonRob> i've been involved with both fedora tv and news.fp.o
20:21:15 <themayor> JonRob: thats why i suggested a journal style
20:21:17 <JonRob> and both struggled with that side of things
20:21:23 <JonRob> as did RHM
20:21:37 <JonRob> what do you mean by journal, and how do you think that will help?
20:21:39 <themayor> because it gives us a fairly large windows to aggregate and/or produce larger pieces
20:22:15 <themayor> hrm, journal, i think mizmo described it best in the meeting, mo do you remember what you said that day?
20:22:16 <JonRob> oh, you mean like a monthly magazine?
20:22:24 <themayor> something like that
20:22:30 <JonRob> ok i see what you mean by that
20:22:35 <themayor> like big pieces less often and smaller pieces more often
20:22:38 <themayor> so for example
20:22:44 <themayor> fedora weekly news, that continues as is
20:22:53 <themayor> or whatever the news team ends up wanting to do with it
20:23:02 <mizmo> well one thing i remember mentioning in the meeting is that there might be a regular schedule for things
20:23:08 <themayor> yes
20:23:15 <themayor> so for example every week we have weekly news
20:23:16 <mizmo> like the 1st week of each month is 'contributor interview week'
20:23:17 <ianweller> "planet fridays"
20:23:19 <mizmo> we pick a contributor and do an interview
20:23:21 <themayor> on a week 1 we have some audio
20:23:29 <themayor> yes exactly
20:23:35 <themayor> and its all just flows together
20:23:46 <JonRob> this is more or less the plan we had for news.fp.o, except spacing it out into weeks instead of days is a good idea!
20:23:47 <themayor> i wont lie, it will take probably 2-3 months to seed alot of stuff on there
20:24:02 <themayor> but at that point we will be on all cylinders
20:24:41 <themayor> if we set up things on a schedule and we have a month to prepare them, it takes alot of pressure off
20:25:07 <themayor> and it helps organize things
20:25:38 <themayor> i think alot of the issues now are we know what we need to do, but not always by when, and we often end up doing things a 2-3 days before we need them when we could easily expand that timetable which would aid us tremendously
20:26:18 <themayor> also aggregating pieces while distributing editorial control helps alleviate a "managerial" burden of producing/distributing stuff and also gives that specific team more control
20:27:27 <JonRob> themayor, have you asked rhm team about their experiences?
20:27:42 <JonRob> enquired if they were interested in getting involved?
20:28:34 <themayor> JonRob: honestly no because many of them are busy and they have a certain focus
20:28:42 <themayor> i dont want to distract them
20:28:48 <themayor> and they have responsibilities to that
20:29:04 <themayor> we can always let them get involved after
20:29:07 <JonRob> ok that's fair, i guess it's for each person to come to the project themselves
20:29:44 <themayor> and right now, we are building infrastructure and setting up, i would rather not tack more onto their workload
20:29:48 <themayor> people are already overloaded
20:31:07 <themayor> anyway so with regard to goals stuff we are solid on that right?
20:31:25 <themayor> no one wants to add anything
20:32:32 <themayor> you guys with me? am i talking too fast lol?
20:32:42 <JonRob> all is good
20:32:47 <themayor> okay so now action plan
20:32:51 <mizmo> i think im good
20:33:01 <themayor> what do we do this with?
20:33:11 <themayor> wordpress, drupal
20:33:20 <ianweller> drupal has really iffy security.
20:33:31 <themayor> we can do all this in wordpress i think?
20:33:36 <ianweller> yes
20:33:38 <mizmo> wordpress++
20:33:43 <themayor> didnt we look at wordpress for news.fp.o
20:33:47 <JonRob> yeah
20:33:53 <JonRob> and wordpress is probs the best way to go
20:33:55 <ianweller> be sure to check with infrastructure.
20:34:04 <JonRob> has a big advantage being pre-packaged, a requirement of the infra team
20:34:07 <ianweller> we need to work with them every step of the way
20:34:10 <themayor> back then it wasnt mature and we tried a few time to do things with what was the open source hosted wordpress think ibiblio did called
20:34:12 <ianweller> so that they don't get surprised at the last minute
20:34:13 <JonRob> and they've already been experimenting with deployments
20:34:36 <themayor> yeah okay so lets set out what we need
20:34:39 <ianweller> JonRob: they're presently experimenting with a blogs.fp.o using wordpress-mu
20:34:48 <JonRob> might also be worth investigating working with docs et al on zicular
20:35:00 <themayor> isnt it zikula?
20:35:05 <JonRob> ianweller: and we had many different test instances up for news.fp.o
20:35:20 <JonRob> themayor, perhaps, it's a strange word i don't know how to spell!
20:35:45 <themayor> yeah im pretty sure its zikula lol ;)
20:36:01 <JonRob> if we worked with docs
20:36:03 <ianweller> zikula <-- that
20:36:09 <JonRob> it would lighten the load on us, docs and infra
20:36:23 <themayor> yes we are going to
20:36:28 <themayor> i spoke to sparks a couple of times
20:36:31 <ianweller> (fwiw i'm working on a relatively similar project at my school's newspaper with their website)
20:36:45 <themayor> ianweller: can we see?
20:36:54 <ianweller> well the html is about 5% complete so no :)
20:37:06 <ianweller> it'll be new as of uhhh hopefully late august
20:37:12 <ianweller> running wordpress.
20:37:37 <themayor> hahaha
20:37:38 <themayor> okay
20:37:45 <abadger1999> wordpress or zikula... I'm really loving the zikula devs lately (they are very open to making changes to satisfy packaging guidelines and helping the docs team with custom plugins)
20:38:05 <themayor> well we need 3-4 things to happen then
20:38:17 <themayor> 1. talks to infrastructure about what platform to use
20:38:23 <mizmo> wordpress has a nice podcast plugin thingy that makes it easy to do podcast posts
20:38:28 <mizmo> but i dont know anything about zikula
20:38:55 <themayor> thats why we have infrastructure
20:39:18 <themayor> 2. we need to talk to news and figure out who they want to tie in to all this
20:40:24 <themayor> 3. we need to talk to docs and figure out a publication list and fit that into a schedule
20:40:35 <themayor> and 4. i forgot but im sure someone else can think of something
20:42:22 <ianweller> 4. donuts
20:42:35 <themayor> lol
20:42:49 <ianweller> thought of something ^_^
20:42:54 <themayor> anyway, does anyone want to talk to infrastrtucture about platform
20:43:07 <themayor> whoa, an asian girl just showed up on my screen after ian's last line
20:43:08 <themayor> whoa
20:43:20 * ianweller ctcp versions themayor
20:43:31 <ianweller> oh, that would explain it
20:43:47 <ianweller> mac os x, how could you?! :P
20:44:08 <themayor> haha, i missed the button when i booted, so i just let it go, lol
20:44:17 <ianweller> lol
20:44:26 <themayor> JonRob: how close are you with the fedora weekly news guys
20:44:49 <JonRob> i lost touch after tchung pulled out, don't really know pascal etc
20:45:08 <JonRob> would be happy to drop by, although all my approaches in the past have fallen on death ears
20:45:11 <JonRob> deaf*
20:45:25 <themayor> ah, okay, well either way, would you wanna be responsible for talking to the news team and laying the plan out and seeing what they say
20:45:34 <JonRob> i will happily do so
20:46:09 <themayor> okay
20:46:21 <themayor> so ianweller you wanna talk to infrastructure guys and ill cover docs?
20:46:30 <ianweller> sure
20:46:33 <themayor> also ianweller whats going on with the metrics, how are we going to tie that into this?
20:46:49 <ianweller> what's currently going on is i'm hacking with fedora community/moksha
20:46:54 <ianweller> and attempting to grok it
20:47:18 <themayor> okay, so are we trying to build something new or using some existing tools?
20:47:27 <ianweller> kinda both.
20:47:39 <ianweller> we're going to integrate it as a new 'statistics' tab in fedora community
20:47:52 <ianweller> a lot of new code is going to need to be written, preferrably in python-fedora
20:48:24 <ianweller> i'll expand python-fedora a ton to handle things like the wiki, mailing lists, and perhaps web serverl ogs
20:48:27 <themayor> okay, so what is it going to do, like give each individual person a breakdown of stats that they are looking for?
20:48:29 <ianweller> which is where the integration with foobar comes in
20:48:58 <ianweller> themayor: there will be a relatively large stats section. on the right side of the page there will be different parts of fedora infrastructure that you can look at
20:49:09 <ianweller> in the current pre-alpha code there's 'wiki' and 'updates'
20:49:12 <themayor> do you have any mickups?
20:49:17 <themayor> mockups?
20:49:28 <ianweller> yeah hold on
20:49:36 <ianweller> i have a screenshot of lmacken's work
20:49:48 <ianweller> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/fedoracommunity-statistics.png
20:49:49 <themayor> also, when are you going to be talking to max about things, because i also dont want us to reinvent the wheel for this, from marketings perspective
20:49:56 <ianweller> running locally
20:50:05 <themayor> ah i see
20:50:18 <ianweller> so theoretically you could have 'foobar' on the right and you could see whatever metrics we code for.
20:50:31 <ianweller> (which would most likely be grokking the access logs on log1)
20:50:39 <ianweller> ((which means i have to write an api for that, blugh)
20:50:40 <ianweller> )
20:50:50 <ianweller> themayor: i'll talk to max about it whenever he wants me to.
20:50:58 <ianweller> if he has questions o
20:51:01 <ianweller> blugh
20:51:03 <ianweller> if he has questions i'll answer 'em
20:51:10 <ianweller> i don't really have anything cohesive yet other than that :P
20:51:35 <themayor> okay i just saw the email exchange he had with you and he mentioned we will do it on the list, you did a fair bit of talking to him already about what he wants right?
20:51:44 <ianweller> yeah
20:53:05 <themayor> okay
20:53:34 <themayor> well lets see how things roll out, JonRob and ian, can we each try and take care of our action item by thurs/fri and report back to the list?
20:53:51 <JonRob> i'm writing the e-mail right now
20:54:13 <ianweller> sure
20:54:49 <themayor> awesome
20:54:56 <themayor> ill talk to sparks when i catch him today or tomorrow
20:55:26 <themayor> and then we can all report back, figure out what directions things are going in and move forward, hopefully next week we can start making a decision on platform
20:55:48 <themayor> make sure to reference foobar in stuff you post to the list, i set up a special filter ;)
20:56:00 <themayor> ^_^
20:56:05 <themayor> i like that one
20:57:15 * ianweller hits themayor
20:57:51 <themayor> lol
20:57:54 <themayor> alright sounds good
20:58:01 <themayor> so lets call it a meeting and get cracking
20:58:20 * ianweller notes that themayor wants to use the command #endmeeting
20:59:12 <themayor> #endmeeting


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