From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 07:29:32 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:59:32 +0530 Subject: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora. Message-ID: Hi, The feeds from planet fedora is now available at http://twitter.com/planetfedora. You can now follow it to get the planet updates. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From ath.samaras at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 08:43:37 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:43:37 +0200 Subject: Hello Message-ID: Hi all, My name is Athanasios (Sakis for short) Samaras and I have some experience in the field of sales and marketing. Actually for a long time I was either employed as a Sales or a Marketing person. My communication carrier starts back in 1990 and up to about 2 years ago - since then I am fully employed as the Supporter/Developer/Technical support/Technical writer and any other IT related occupation you can imagine by a small company - depending on the company size, my duties include anything from writing code and technical documentation to final presentations to potential customers in various countries. At some point that I was employed by a US company I was sent to Jakarda in order to "perform" a presentation - I actually live in Greece most of the time - to both Management and -at second stage - technical staff. A brief CV of my involvement with marketing contains a few years working in Marketing Group of Thermi project (smart homes and remote monitoring - internal project of Greek telecom) where I was involved in all marketing aspects from Business Plan to presentation and leaflets, working as a "Project Engineer" on behalf of Open Connection for a large Document Management Project in UK (again the end client was a Telecom) where I was responsible for coordination and documentation of the project as well as the development of a methodology for similar projects, some other smaller scale activities such as Business Plans for small and very small companies, or local sales to Greece. Last 2 projects involved the design, implementation and productization of an e-service delivery platform and a PDA based e-service platform both targeted to Tourism industry where as soon as I got some one to take over the development from my hands, I was re-assigned to marketing (again from BP to pricing to packaging to leaflets and communication plans). Finally my weaknesses: well, I tend to write and talk, but you can see that for yourself. Well if I can be of any use, please let me know. Sakis Samaras PS I also participate in the Doc translation team for Greek language and occasionally write at wikipedia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tatica at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 1 13:22:36 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:52:36 -0430 Subject: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27a6293b0911010522g48139b16t82af79dff3527a4a@mail.gmail.com> /me following Thanks for this great idea :D 2009/11/1 susmit shannigrahi : > Hi, > > The feeds from planet fedora is now available at > http://twitter.com/planetfedora. > You can now follow it to get the planet updates. > > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > Sent from Calcutta, WB, India > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 13:27:46 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:57:46 +0530 Subject: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora. In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0911010522g48139b16t82af79dff3527a4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0911010522g48139b16t82af79dff3527a4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1257082066.15552.4.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:52 -0430, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > /me following > > Thanks for this great idea :D > > 2009/11/1 susmit shannigrahi : > > Hi, > > > > The feeds from planet fedora is now available at > > http://twitter.com/planetfedora. > > You can now follow it to get the planet updates. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Susmit. > > uhm, I haven't read the announcement for the identi.ca account anywhere, so please subscribe to : http://identi.ca/planetfedora -- regards, Ankur From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 13:58:57 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:28:57 +0530 Subject: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora. In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0911010522g48139b16t82af79dff3527a4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0911010522g48139b16t82af79dff3527a4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/11/1 Mar?a Leandro : > /me following I saw you when you were subscribing. :) I am trying to get a link added to the planet itself so that people can easily subscribe. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From giallu at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 08:13:17 2009 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:13:17 +0100 Subject: GA Announcement Work In-Reply-To: References: <4ADFF818.8070202@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Paul Frields wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: >> On 10/22/2009 05:42 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: >>> Can I get some volunteers to work on the GA Announcement? ?This needs >>> to be complete by November 10. >> >> Go from here >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Announcement > > Thanks Rahul. I'll make sure a link to this announcement appears in > Red Hat's official press release as well. In the NetworkManager section it looks like "Signal strength and network selection are available for choosing the best mobile broadband connection when you're on the road." is not yet available (if you can't test that yourself, see the feature page[1]), so I think we should remove that sentence. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MoreNetworkManagerMobileBroadband -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From nacross at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 15:14:53 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:14:53 -0600 Subject: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora. In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0911010522g48139b16t82af79dff3527a4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <27a6293b0911010522g48139b16t82af79dff3527a4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/11/1 Mar?a Leandro : > /me following > /me too -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 15:16:26 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:46:26 +0530 Subject: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora. In-Reply-To: References: <27a6293b0911010522g48139b16t82af79dff3527a4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > 2009/11/1 Mar?a Leandro : >> /me following >> > > /me too It feels very nice when people find the works useful. :) -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From giallu at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 21:42:00 2009 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:42:00 +0100 Subject: GA Announcement Work In-Reply-To: References: <4ADFF818.8070202@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: I had some spare time and edited the page. Please double check I did not screw anything in the process :) -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 21:48:15 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:48:15 -0700 Subject: Interviews and podcasts, update In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90910291554q5fab897br574ecdd4812b2ce9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90910190754q22ad1a4bsd6f212fe25ce9e3b@mail.gmail.com> <20091028190321.GD11545@victoria.internal.frields.org> <5d4d90c90910291554q5fab897br574ecdd4812b2ce9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911021348k69c648b8n752b741f66b7b813@mail.gmail.com> FYI: This is completed (minus some screenshots, which we need to figure out). https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop_Enhancements_in_Fedora_12 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > He's getting back to me tomorrow with answers. I'll post the questions > on the wiki that I sent him in email...as soon as it lets me (wiki > seems unhappy today). > > On 10/28/09, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 07:54:20AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Paul Frields wrote: >>> > We have several features slated for interview/podcast treatments: >>> > >>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:F12_in-depth_features >>> > >>> > I finished the editing of my podcast this past weekend. ?We are now at >>> > 4 weeks to release, so it would be good to see progress on the other >>> > ones as well. ?Can I help by getting a developer in touch with one or >>> > both of our other assignees? >>> >>> If you could ping Matthias Clasen for me, that would be awesome - I >>> may be in his spam bucket. >> >> Just for historical note, I did get Matthias and Robyn hooked up via >> email. ?Robyn, how's the interview coming at this point? >> >> >> -- >> Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ >> ? gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >> ? http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >> ? irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 2 23:47:52 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:47:52 -0500 Subject: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AEF6FA8.80300@redhat.com> > The feeds from planet fedora is now available at > http://twitter.com/planetfedora. > You can now follow it to get the planet updates. This rocks. Thanks, Susmit! I've added both the twitter and identi.ca feeds to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Resources_you_can_use_for_marketing_purposes so others can easily find it, too. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 2 23:57:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:57:46 -0500 Subject: Extending membership map for other groups. In-Reply-To: <200911010002.41934.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> References: <200911010002.41934.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4AEF71FA.5070507@redhat.com> >> Maps of *all* Fedora groups are now available here: >> http://publictest16.fedoraproject.org/membership-map/ Gorgeous. I also added it at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Resources_you_can_use_for_marketing_purposes for future reference - are there plans to take this to staging and production eventually? That's twice you've rocked my world today, Susmit. :) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 01:26:38 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:26:38 -0500 Subject: Fedora Insight sprint-time: in IRC now Message-ID: <4AEF86CE.40006@redhat.com> I'm in #fedora-mktg and #fedora-admin (mostly logging in the former, working on deployment in the latter) from now 'till about 4 hours from now (or so) trying to clean up the remaining FI work we've got. At that point, I'm going to need to put down FI work for a while, since I'm going to be out in Singapore for http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_APAC for most of the rest of the release cycle. I'm hoping to leave tonight with a clear log of what's been done and what is left to do. In general, most of this week will be me trying to loudly and clearly articulate what's left to be done as far as F12 deliverables go - what's going to happen, what still needs to be picked up, and who we should be profusely thanking. For instance, Robyn and Paul have both finished their F12 Feature Profiles (yay!), leaving the third (mine) to be edited - but we have no screenshots, so if someone could step up and organize a sprint, that would be great). This will be the overriding theme of the week, particularly tomorrow's meeting. :) But right now, I'm working on FI. --Mel From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 04:03:53 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:33:53 +0530 Subject: Now follow twitter feed for Planet Fedora. In-Reply-To: <4AEF6FA8.80300@redhat.com> References: <4AEF6FA8.80300@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi Mel, > This rocks. Thanks, Susmit! I've added both the twitter and identi.ca feeds > to > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Resources_you_can_use_for_marketing_purposes > so others can easily find it, too. Thank you. :) I have also added identi.ca link to the planet page itself under "Feeds".[1] But as twitter is not FOSS, it was decided that we won't endorse it on the planet page though having a wiki link for reference should not be a problem IMHO. [1] http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 04:14:50 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:44:50 +0530 Subject: Extending membership map for other groups. In-Reply-To: <4AEF71FA.5070507@redhat.com> References: <200911010002.41934.jsimon@fedoraproject.org> <4AEF71FA.5070507@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, > are there plans to take this to staging and > production eventually? Surely there is plan for it. But I am a bit apprehensive about it's being useful. Once that bit is clear, this should not take more than a few minutes to host it in production. > That's twice you've rocked my world today, Susmit. :) :) Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 06:23:18 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:23:18 -0500 Subject: Fedora Insight sprint results Message-ID: <4AEFCC56.8050609@redhat.com> High-level status overview: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#What.27s_happening Basically, - we're continuing to go slow and steady, and we'll launch when we're done with all the tasks linked above. - EVERYTHING IS PACKAGED! except for the skin. Everything is packaged and approved; xinha and EZComments are waiting for CVS, but everything else is sitting in a repo ready to go. Thanks to the heroic and patient efforts of Nick Bebout, Jon Stanley, and Sebastian Dziallas for helping us finally get past those last few inches. (We should have a talk with upstream during FUDCon about how to make our mutual lives easier.) In other words, we'll soon be able to stop talking about logistics/infrastructure and start talking about content and marketing strategy. Sweet. - Since xinha is packaged, that means we'll probably have WYSIWYG operational soon. - This also means we can start pouring content through shortly, since it will actually be easy for authors to enter content. - But first we need to finish tweaking the skin (and then package it). Lots of logs: 06:15:04 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-11-03/fedora-mktg.2009-11-03-01.23.html 06:15:04 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-11-03/fedora-mktg.2009-11-03-01.23.txt 06:15:04 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2009-11-03/fedora-mktg.2009-11-03-01.23.log.html --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 06:54:53 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:54:53 -0500 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AEFD3BD.60700@redhat.com> > Hi all, > My name is Athanasios (Sakis for short) Samaras and I have some > experience in the field of sales and marketing. Welcome, Sakis! It sounds like you have a lot of great experience to share, and we're glad to have you on board. I've sponsored you for membership in the FAS marketing group, and see you already have a wiki user page up (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Asamaras) - you're all set to go. > Finally my weaknesses: well, I tend to write and talk, but you can see > that for yourself. Around here, those aren't weaknesses at all. :) > Well if I can be of any use, please let me know. You have perfect timing. We are actually in the last few weeks of the Fedora 12 release, so Marketing deliverables are being finished up right now - it's a great time to jump in and help on things like screenshots or the release tour, especially since you have a technical background as well and can help bridge the engineering and the marketing sides of things. Doing this will also give you an idea of what we might do for a Fedora 13 marketing strategy, which we'll begin thinking about soon. Are you on IRC? We hang out in #fedora-mktg and have weekly meetings (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net, on Tuesdays at 2100 UTC (the next one is about 13 hours from now) and that's a great chance to introduce yourself, find out what's going on, and get started. I'm mchua; feel free to ping me anytime. --Mel > I also participate in the Doc translation team for Greek language and > occasionally write at wikipedia. ????? ??????! From mohsenjokar at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 08:02:59 2009 From: mohsenjokar at gmail.com (Mohsen Mostafa Jokar) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:32:59 +0330 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <4AEFD3BD.60700@redhat.com> References: <4AEFD3BD.60700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2ce4c5520911030002x1c4b2a13of39c28475347dd3e@mail.gmail.com> Hi. I think,We can help To each other. i wait for your answer. bye On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >> Hi all, >> My name is Athanasios (Sakis for short) Samaras and I have some >> experience in the field of sales and marketing. > > Welcome, Sakis! It sounds like you have a lot of great experience to share, > and we're glad to have you on board. I've sponsored you for membership in > the FAS marketing group, and see you already have a wiki user page up > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Asamaras) - you're all set to go. > >> Finally my weaknesses: well, I tend to write and talk, but you can see >> that for yourself. > > Around here, those aren't weaknesses at all. :) > >> Well if I can be of any use, please let me know. > > You have perfect timing. We are actually in the last few weeks of the Fedora > 12 release, so Marketing deliverables are being finished up right now - it's > a great time to jump in and help on things like screenshots or the release > tour, especially since you have a technical background as well and can help > bridge the engineering and the marketing sides of things. Doing this will > also give you an idea of what we might do for a Fedora 13 marketing > strategy, which we'll begin thinking about soon. > > Are you on IRC? We hang out in #fedora-mktg and have weekly meetings > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings) in #fedora-meeting on > irc.freenode.net, on Tuesdays at 2100 UTC (the next one is about 13 hours > from now) and that's a great chance to introduce yourself, find out what's > going on, and get started. I'm mchua; feel free to ping me anytime. > > --Mel > >> I also participate in the Doc translation team for Greek language and >> occasionally write at wikipedia. > > ????? ??????! > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From sherry151 at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 10:43:16 2009 From: sherry151 at gmail.com (Rangeen Basu) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:13:16 +0530 Subject: Fedora Insight sprint results In-Reply-To: <4AEFCC56.8050609@redhat.com> References: <4AEFCC56.8050609@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi What I get from the wiki is the following public test site (Fedora Insight). https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula There seems to be some problem with layout as the content is not scaling (in size) properly and I get overlapped content. it works only with a particular font size. Also the fedora logos at the side of the content are getting clipped. Kindly check the layout html. P.S: Could be some problem with my browser as well although I have checked with both firefox and epiphany. -- Regards Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury Fedora Ambassador sherry151 at gmail.com From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 11:04:05 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:34:05 +0530 Subject: Fedora Insight sprint results In-Reply-To: References: <4AEFCC56.8050609@redhat.com> Message-ID: > P.S: Could be some problem with my browser as well No, I am seeing the same overlapped thing . -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From ath.samaras at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 12:32:42 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:32:42 +0200 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <2ce4c5520911030002x1c4b2a13of39c28475347dd3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AEFD3BD.60700@redhat.com> <2ce4c5520911030002x1c4b2a13of39c28475347dd3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, It's been a long while since the last time I had a chat in IRC rooms, but I will "join" the channel later on today since for some reason currently the hell broke loose... Thanks for your response Mel as well as for your actions. Mohsen please let me know where I can be of use. Cheers Sakis 2009/11/3 Mohsen Mostafa Jokar > Hi. > I think,We can help To each other. > i wait for your answer. > bye > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> My name is Athanasios (Sakis for short) Samaras and I have some > >> experience in the field of sales and marketing. > > > > Welcome, Sakis! It sounds like you have a lot of great experience to > share, > > and we're glad to have you on board. I've sponsored you for membership in > > the FAS marketing group, and see you already have a wiki user page up > > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Asamaras) - you're all set to go. > > > >> Finally my weaknesses: well, I tend to write and talk, but you can see > >> that for yourself. > > > > Around here, those aren't weaknesses at all. :) > > > >> Well if I can be of any use, please let me know. > > > > You have perfect timing. We are actually in the last few weeks of the > Fedora > > 12 release, so Marketing deliverables are being finished up right now - > it's > > a great time to jump in and help on things like screenshots or the > release > > tour, especially since you have a technical background as well and can > help > > bridge the engineering and the marketing sides of things. Doing this will > > also give you an idea of what we might do for a Fedora 13 marketing > > strategy, which we'll begin thinking about soon. > > > > Are you on IRC? We hang out in #fedora-mktg and have weekly meetings > > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings) in #fedora-meeting > on > > irc.freenode.net, on Tuesdays at 2100 UTC (the next one is about 13 > hours > > from now) and that's a great chance to introduce yourself, find out > what's > > going on, and get started. I'm mchua; feel free to ping me anytime. > > > > --Mel > > > >> I also participate in the Doc translation team for Greek language and > >> occasionally write at wikipedia. > > > > ????? ??????! > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 13:38:34 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:38:34 -0500 Subject: Fedora Insight sprint results In-Reply-To: References: <4AEFCC56.8050609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF0325A.2090201@redhat.com> On 11/03/2009 05:43 AM, Rangeen Basu wrote: > Hi > > What I get from the wiki is the following public test site (Fedora Insight). > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula > > There seems to be some problem with layout as the content is not > scaling (in size) properly and I get overlapped content. it works only > with a particular font size. Also the fedora logos at the side of the > content are getting clipped. > Kindly check the layout html. Thanks for the sharp eyes, Rangeen and Susmit - I think we're going to be filing a lot of tickets in Design trac today. :) --Mel From ath.samaras at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 13:40:38 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:40:38 +0200 Subject: Fedora Insight sprint results In-Reply-To: References: <4AEFCC56.8050609@redhat.com> Message-ID: Same here, also the images are a bit too slow during first download. When displaying "block sizes" via "Web Developer " add-on you will find that a lot of not strictly required div tags are generated. This leads to a generic slow down since all DIV tags have to be processed by DOM parser also. The quick fix may be to fix both the image itself (since the actual image is a fragment of Fedora Logo that can be re-sized or changed to the appropriate https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/simonstestimage.jpg ) and/or the css that indicates that the div size is 80X120px and a -10px top-left offset the image is 60X100 +10px padding. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > P.S: Could be some problem with my browser as well > > No, I am seeing the same overlapped thing . > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > Sent from Calcutta, WB, India > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 13:40:55 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:40:55 -0500 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: References: <4AEFD3BD.60700@redhat.com> <2ce4c5520911030002x1c4b2a13of39c28475347dd3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF032E7.8010600@redhat.com> On 11/03/2009 07:32 AM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > Hi all, > It's been a long while since the last time I had a chat in IRC rooms, > but I will "join" the channel later on today since for some reason > currently the hell broke loose... Looking forward to seeing you online! I sometimes get my timezones mixed up, so if you're curious about how long it is until the next Marketing meeting, go to #fedora-meeting and type ".nextmarketingmeeting" (no quotes) and zodbot (our friendly local channel bot) will tell you how long you have to wait. For instance, just now: 13:38:03 < mchua> .nextmarketingmeeting 13:38:04 < zodbot> mchua: 6 hours, 19 minutes, and 20 seconds So I'll see you folks then. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 19:22:08 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:22:08 -0500 Subject: This week's meeting: come to either Daylight Savings Time or not (2 meeting slots) Message-ID: <4AF082E0.2050701@redhat.com> Short version: this week's meeting will be a "Daylight Savings Time Is Weird" meeting; you can either come at 20:00 UTC or 21:00 UTC (for me, that's 3pm EST and 4pm EST) and there will be a Marketing meeting at the start of both hours and a worksprint on release deliverables for the remainder of that hour. Going forward, we'll stick with 20:00 UTC regardless of daylight savings time, so US folks such as myself who are affected by DST, that's 3pm now. Holler with any time conflicts - when we sit down to plan for F13, we'll also do a quick check to see if we need to recalibrate our meeting time. --Mel --- 19:07:41 * mchua looks to see if the meeting announcement actually went out 19:08:38 < mchua> ...oh gah! My script timed out because I stopped it right before daylight savings! 19:10:34 < mchua> ...wait, zodbot and daylight savings... 19:10:54 < mchua> ...don't match. 19:11:09 * mchua checks to see what I said last night on the mailing list 19:12:20 < mchua> Apparently I sent conflicting time info on the mailing list. 19:12:33 < mchua> Lovely. 19:13:48 < mchua> Ok. What I'm going to do is since we've already got a late meeting time for Europe, and zodbot isn't affected by DST, I'm going to make our meeting time unaffected by DST. 19:14:00 < mchua> I'm going to resign myself to doing two 1-hour meetings today (mostly worksprints) to catch everyone. 19:14:18 < mchua> And I'm going to update the meetings page and the mailing list with that right now. From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 19:35:06 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:35:06 -0500 Subject: This week's meeting: come to either Daylight Savings Time or not (2 meeting slots) In-Reply-To: <4AF082E0.2050701@redhat.com> References: <4AF082E0.2050701@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091103193506.GS20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 02:22:08PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote: > Short version: this week's meeting will be a "Daylight Savings Time > Is Weird" meeting; you can either come at 20:00 UTC or 21:00 UTC > (for me, that's 3pm EST and 4pm EST) and there will be a Marketing > meeting at the start of both hours and a worksprint on release > deliverables for the remainder of that hour. > > Going forward, we'll stick with 20:00 UTC regardless of daylight > savings time, so US folks such as myself who are affected by DST, > that's 3pm now. Holler with any time conflicts - when we sit down to > plan for F13, we'll also do a quick check to see if we need to > recalibrate our meeting time. > > --Mel > > --- > > 19:07:41 * mchua looks to see if the meeting announcement actually went out > 19:08:38 < mchua> ...oh gah! My script timed out because I stopped > it right before daylight savings! > 19:10:34 < mchua> ...wait, zodbot and daylight savings... > 19:10:54 < mchua> ...don't match. > 19:11:09 * mchua checks to see what I said last night on the mailing list > 19:12:20 < mchua> Apparently I sent conflicting time info on the > mailing list. > 19:12:33 < mchua> Lovely. > 19:13:48 < mchua> Ok. What I'm going to do is since we've already > got a late meeting time for Europe, and zodbot isn't affected by > DST, I'm going to make our meeting time unaffected by DST. > 19:14:00 < mchua> I'm going to resign myself to doing two 1-hour > meetings today (mostly worksprints) to catch everyone. > 19:14:18 < mchua> And I'm going to update the meetings page and the > mailing list with that right now. I'll be there for the 3pm EST; I have an appointment at 4:30pm so I may not be able to stay all 2 hours. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 20:14:08 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:14:08 -0500 Subject: Some relevant dates Message-ID: <20091103201408.GV20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> My apologies for not having this out sooner -- I postponed the email at some point and failed to get back to it. As with previous releases, Kara Schiltz and I have been working on lining up internal support for the Fedora 12 launch. I wanted to indicate our schedule here for the sake of interlock. The dates for pre-release press blog entries are somewhat flexible: Oct. 21 - In-depth feature #1 (SystemTap) Oct. 27 - Video spotlight #1 Oct. 26 - Nov. 8: Edit webcopy for http://redhat.com/Fedora Weeks of Nov. 3 and Nov. 9 - schedule and facilitate pre-briefs Nov. 3 - In-depth feature #2 (Desktop or Virt) <-- prefer Desktop here Nov. 5 - Finalize homepage promo and send to geos Nov. 9 - Finalize F12 launch video Nov. 10 - Video spotlight #2 Nov. 12 - Press release to int'l PR teams for translation Nov. 17 - F12 GA / Launch video / press release As you can see, we're a smidge behind on a couple of the bits internal to Red Hat -- the video spotlights. But my expectation is that we'll have at least one pre-release, and be able to have another ready post-release. Kara is working on a press blog entry around the Desktop interview that Robyn just conducted. Mel is working on finalizing her interview text, and then it will get the same treatment. Everything else looks ready to go, so all in all I'd say we're in "B+ to A-" shape. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 20:17:42 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:17:42 -0500 Subject: Screenshots for one-page release notes In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911021053g1433a4bh7810caf713af57ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091102155134.GC7174@victoria.internal.frields.org> <5d4d90c90911020758t4139de7ap2745ee5067ab3512@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90911021032q284faf77j5147d339f4480efa@mail.gmail.com> <1257187451.1905.4.camel@planemask> <4AEF28F5.9050800@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911021053g1433a4bh7810caf713af57ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091103201742.GW20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> One of the main things we need help with in the one-page release notes are screenshots. The wiki text is here, and includes placeholders for screenshots: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes Anyone can do screenshots, but you *must* create an updated Rawhide (or F12 Beta + updates) box to do it. You can use a virtual guest machine or a "real" machine for most screenshots. This is something *ANYONE* can help with! Just for reference, here's how I usually do them: 1. Set up a brand-new account on an up-to-date Rawhide box. Doesn't matter what the account name is, but I set the "real name" to "Fedora User" to be sex-nonspecific. 2. Log in as that user, and set the display resolution to something fairly low, like 800x600 or 1024x768 using System > Preferences > Display. All the other settings will be system defaults at that point, which is exactly what you want for accurate screenshots. Unless you're demonstrating how to change a default, you should *use* a default, so that the resulting shot looks virtually identical to what the reader sees. There's a reference for formal docs here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/sn-screenshots.html ...but that's really for formal docs in DocBook XML and not wiki-based stuff. I don't know if there's a recommended maximum size for shots in the wiki, but my guess is that sticking to a 500px maximum width on the wiki page should be best. You don't have to resize the image yourself, I believe you can use the wiki to do it automatically like this: [[Image:my_new_picture.png | 500px]] The picture should automatically link to the image page with the full size picture available if needed by the reader. If you need help with anything, please feel free to ask on the list or come by IRC Freenode at #fedora-mktg. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 20:36:26 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:36:26 -0500 Subject: Robyn's interview Message-ID: <20091103203626.GZ20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> Noting something from the Fedora Marketing meeting on IRC. This profile is looking quite good: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop_Enhancements_in_Fedora_12 Kara is working on a press blog entry to go with this. We'll make sure that the screenshots are up before we publish anything officially. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 20:43:22 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:43:22 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour Message-ID: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> Before we embark on Yet Another Wiki Page, I wanted to get some consensus on whether we need an additional [[Fedora 12 Tour]] page. Currently we have a (soon to be) screenshot-filled one-page release notes page that is supposed to serve the function of introducing novices to all the great features of release, and the basics of Fedora in general and Fedora 12. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes The new document includes pretty much everything I see in the old [[Fedora 11 tour]] page, including links to the in-depth feature profiles, overview, talking points, and so forth. It seems to me an additional tour page is unnecessary. I just want to voice my opinion, and if there's general agreement, we can knock that off the release deliverables page in favor of the new standard of a meaningful one-page release notes document. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 21:01:16 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:01:16 -0500 Subject: Meeting minutes, 2009-11-03 (daylight savings meeting #1) Message-ID: <4AF09A1C.4020301@redhat.com> Since we have multiple meetings and sprints going on today, links to these specific logs are below, along with abbreviated meeting minutes. The second meeting is going be starting in #fedora-meeting shortly for those folks who couldn't make the first one due to Daylight Savings Time. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-03/fedora-meeting.2009-11-03-20.02.html 20:37:21 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-03/fedora-meeting.2009-11-03-20.02.txt 20:37:22 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-03/fedora-meeting.2009-11-03-20.02.log.html ------- # roll call (mchua, 20:03:04) # F12 deliverables status (mchua, 20:10:11) 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables (mchua, 20:10:20) 2. Talking points DONE (mchua, 20:11:51) 3. Release slogan DONE (mchua, 20:11:56) 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/One_page_release_notes (mchua, 20:12:10) 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_make_one_page_release_notes (mchua, 20:13:00) 6. ACTION: finish one-page release notes, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_make_one_page_release_notes (mchua, 20:13:21) 7. one page release notes IN PROGRESS (sprint today) (mchua, 20:14:21) 8. ACTION: Screenshots: create a list of needed screenshots from the rest of the deliverables (mchua, 20:15:37) 9. ACTION: Screenshots: take screenshots, insert into requested places in deliverables, notify other deliverable owners (mchua, 20:15:52) 10. Screenshots IN PROGRESS (sprint today) (mchua, 20:16:09) 11. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:F12_in-depth_features (mchua, 20:17:08) 12. ACTION: Feature profiles: rbergeron to finish desktop interview with screenshots (mchua, 20:18:34) 13. ACTION: Feature profiles: mchua to edit virt interviews (mchua, 20:18:45) 14. Feature profiles IN PROGRESS (sprint today) (mchua, 20:18:55) 15. Briefing ambassadors IN PROGRESS (sprint today) (mchua, 20:22:33) 16. ACTION: Briefing Ambassadors: nb to make a game plan and execute (mchua, 20:22:44) 17. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom (stickster, 20:23:42) 18. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_press_publications (mchua, 20:29:02) 19. monitoring PR/news from the release NOT TAKEN (mchua, 20:31:44) 20. Tour page NOT TAKEN (mchua, 20:31:48) 21. ACTION: stickster check with herlo about taking on the Tour Page for f12 (mchua, 20:38:32) 22. ACTION: mchua check with moixs about doing NDN for F12 again (mchua, 20:38:44) From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 21:13:10 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:13:10 -0500 Subject: Meeting minutes, 2009-11-03 (daylight savings meeting #1) In-Reply-To: <4AF09A1C.4020301@redhat.com> References: <4AF09A1C.4020301@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF09CE6.3020108@redhat.com> On 11/03/2009 04:01 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Since we have multiple meetings and sprints going on today, links to > these specific logs are below, along with abbreviated meeting minutes. > The second meeting is going be starting in #fedora-meeting shortly for > those folks who couldn't make the first one due to Daylight Savings Time. Update: Seems like everyone came to the first meeting today, so we won't have a second one. :) Sprinting in #fedora-mktg for the next 50 min (and beyond, if people want to stay longer!) Current sprints: * nb on briefing Ambassadors * asamaras on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_write_a_press_release * rbergeron on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop_Enhancements_in_Fedora_12 * mchua on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12 --Mel From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 3 21:17:08 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:17:08 -0500 Subject: Screenshots for one-page release notes In-Reply-To: <20091103201742.GW20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091102155134.GC7174@victoria.internal.frields.org> <5d4d90c90911020758t4139de7ap2745ee5067ab3512@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90911021032q284faf77j5147d339f4480efa@mail.gmail.com> <1257187451.1905.4.camel@planemask> <4AEF28F5.9050800@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911021053g1433a4bh7810caf713af57ad@mail.gmail.com> <20091103201742.GW20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4AF09DD4.6070000@redhat.com> On 11/03/2009 03:17 PM, Paul Frields wrote: > Just for reference, here's how I usually do them: And we have a new HOWTO! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_HOWTO_make_screenshots --Mel From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 04:05:57 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:35:57 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Web page for distro life cycle stage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35586fc00911032005w5fcf1228g260857366eeb72ee@mail.gmail.com> Forwarding this to the marketing list with the idea of initiating a discussion around the visual representation of this suggestion. /sankarshan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Shakthi Kannan Date: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:21 PM Subject: Web page for distro life cycle stage To: Development discussions related to Fedora Hi, Is there a web-page or is it possible to have one that shows the Fedora distro release and its stage in the release cycle? For example, if a release such as Fedora 9, is not supported, one can have it shown with a red circle. If a release is in freeze, it can be in marked in an yellow circle, and when we can push packages to a release, it can be in a green circle, similar to traffic signal lights? While, we do receive e-mails on freeze updates, I thought it will be simpler to just check a web-page rather than having to go through mailing list archives? Suggestions welcome. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Wed Nov 4 15:05:57 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:05:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1257347157.3021.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:43 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > It seems to me an additional tour page is unnecessary. I just want to > voice my opinion, and if there's general agreement, we can knock that > off the release deliverables page in favor of the new standard of a > meaningful one-page release notes document. FWIW I love it. Let's fill it with screenshots and just consider it the tour. ~m From mel at redhat.com Wed Nov 4 18:36:47 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:36:47 -0500 Subject: Colin's comments on the one-page release notes Message-ID: <4AF1C9BF.7030801@redhat.com> Via Paul and Mo, from Colin: 18:23:23 < stickster> mizmo: nice work on the one page release notes; one thing we should do probably that would help you out here is more clearly separate Features into those 3 categories 18:23:23 < stickster> then you could link to the Features/Desktop, Features/Administration, Features/Development 18:23:23 < stickster> walters: oh i didnt do it, i just added some images to it, i think the marketing team had a sprint on it 18:23:23 < stickster> right now (like the package system), apps, development, and core system are all mixed up Good stuff for anyone interested in working on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/One_page_release_notes - incorporating these changes into the F12 version is a nice quick one for someone looking for a 15min task to get started with. --Mel From ath.samaras at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 23:00:36 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 01:00:36 +0200 Subject: Colin's comments on the one-page release notes In-Reply-To: <4AF1C9BF.7030801@redhat.com> References: <4AF1C9BF.7030801@redhat.com> Message-ID: Open to suggestions. Can we help in any way too? ~S On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Via Paul and Mo, from Colin: > > 18:23:23 < stickster> mizmo: nice work on the one page release > notes; one thing we should do probably that would help you out > here is more clearly separate Features into those 3 categories > 18:23:23 < stickster> then you could link to the > Features/Desktop, Features/Administration, Features/Development > 18:23:23 < stickster> walters: oh i didnt do it, i just added some > images to it, i think the marketing team had a sprint on it > 18:23:23 < stickster> right now (like the package system), apps, > development, and core system are all mixed up > > Good stuff for anyone interested in working on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/One_page_release_notes - incorporating > these changes into the F12 version is a nice quick one for someone looking > for a 15min task to get started with. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Nov 5 00:49:38 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:49:38 -0800 Subject: Upcoming schedule tasks Message-ID: <4AF22122.6060404@redhat.com> Start End Name Wed 28-Oct Wed 04-Nov Update and freeze the screenshots page Wed 28-Oct Wed 04-Nov Update Fedora tour page Wed 04-Nov Wed 04-Nov Freeze Fedora tour page Wed 04-Nov Wed 11-Nov Brief news distribution network Wed 04-Nov Tue 15-Dec Monitor news sites to provide corrections & info Wed 11-Nov Wed 11-Nov F12 Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting Tue 17-Nov Tue 17-Nov GA Release From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 06:40:00 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:40:00 +0100 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <50baabb30911042240p3a9bc0d5le43d4ed9b4daa65c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Paul W. Frields < hidden > wrote: > Before we embark on Yet Another Wiki Page, I wanted to get some > consensus on whether we need an additional [[Fedora 12 Tour]] page. > Currently we have a (soon to be) screenshot-filled one-page release > notes page that is supposed to serve the function of introducing > novices to all the great features of release, and the basics of > Fedora in general and Fedora 12. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes Hello Paul, I've a FEL-related screenshot for you. http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Chitlesh From mel at redhat.com Thu Nov 5 14:23:28 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:23:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257347157.3021.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257347157.3021.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AF2DFE0.6000108@redhat.com> On 11/04/2009 10:05 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:43 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> It seems to me an additional tour page is unnecessary. I just want to >> voice my opinion, and if there's general agreement, we can knock that >> off the release deliverables page in favor of the new standard of a >> meaningful one-page release notes document. > > FWIW I love it. Let's fill it with screenshots and just consider it the > tour. +1. Scrapped "tour page" from release deliverables list. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables Taking a quick tour through the rest to check on status, will post to list in a moment. I think we're almost there. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Nov 5 14:23:30 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:23:30 -0500 Subject: Where release deliverables stand right now Message-ID: <4AF2DFE2.8070802@redhat.com> Peeking in on things the morning before I jet off to Singapore: We've got 6 things left to do this release cycle and we're looking pretty good! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables * Screenshots - we need someone to step up and run a sprint to generate the rest of these. * Briefing Ambassadors - Nick Bebout * Monitoring PR/news from the release - I don't think we have a game plan for this yet. Anyone? * Fedora news distribution network (NDN) - Steven, are you still up for doing this? * In depth feature profiles - I'm finishing mine during gaps in a conference today. * One page release notes - formerly the Tour Page - Sakis Samaras has been doing some fantastic wordsmithing here, and Paul and Mo are putting in images, so it looks like this is asymptotically reaching the point of Total Awesome, and will soon pop this over to Design for "please make nice PDF layout?" help. More feedback later in a response to one of Sakis's emails. From mel at redhat.com Thu Nov 5 14:27:25 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:27:25 -0500 Subject: Needed: Marketing representative for F12 readiness meeting In-Reply-To: <4AF22122.6060404@redhat.com> References: <4AF22122.6060404@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF2E0CD.9050400@redhat.com> > Wed 11-Nov Wed 11-Nov F12 Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting Speaking of which: I'm going to be in Singapore during this meeting and will need a sub - would anyone like to represent Marketing for the readiness meeting next Wednesday? It basically involves standing up - on IRC or on the phone, not sure which medium we're using this time - and giving folks an update on Marketing deliverables status (like the quick one I just sent to this list) and whether there's anything blocking us from finishing on time for the release (there shouldn't be) and making sure we're not blocking anyone else (we shouldn't be). For the curious, you can see the logs from the last readiness meeting (for the Beta) here: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-14/ I'll even write you a HOWTO if you want. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Nov 5 14:31:32 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:31:32 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <50baabb30911042240p3a9bc0d5le43d4ed9b4daa65c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <50baabb30911042240p3a9bc0d5le43d4ed9b4daa65c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF2E1C4.8070702@redhat.com> > Hello Paul, > > I've a FEL-related screenshot for you. > http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > Chitlesh > Thanks, Chitlesh! I uploaded it to the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FEL-f12-screenshot.png and added it in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes#Desktop_Users - now if we could only get a picture of someone soldering or tinkering with a robot to go next to it... --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 14:41:48 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:41:48 -0700 Subject: Needed: Marketing representative for F12 readiness meeting In-Reply-To: <4AF2E0CD.9050400@redhat.com> References: <4AF22122.6060404@redhat.com> <4AF2E0CD.9050400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911050641v14b3b432lccd6075805ae3172@mail.gmail.com> I can do it, assuming nobody else Really Really Wants to, and that it is not during a designated child-shuttling period of the day. On 11/5/09, Mel Chua wrote: >> Wed 11-Nov Wed 11-Nov F12 Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting > > Speaking of which: I'm going to be in Singapore during this meeting and > will need a sub - would anyone like to represent Marketing for the > readiness meeting next Wednesday? > > It basically involves standing up - on IRC or on the phone, not sure > which medium we're using this time - and giving folks an update on > Marketing deliverables status (like the quick one I just sent to this > list) and whether there's anything blocking us from finishing on time > for the release (there shouldn't be) and making sure we're not blocking > anyone else (we shouldn't be). > > For the curious, you can see the logs from the last readiness meeting > (for the Beta) here: > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-14/ > > I'll even write you a HOWTO if you want. ;) > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Sent from my mobile device From kschiltz at redhat.com Thu Nov 5 16:14:43 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:14:43 -0500 Subject: Where release deliverables stand right now In-Reply-To: <4AF2DFE2.8070802@redhat.com> References: <4AF2DFE2.8070802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF2F9F3.5010601@redhat.com> Mel Chua wrote: > Peeking in on things the morning before I jet off to Singapore: We've > got 6 things left to do this release cycle and we're looking pretty good! > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables > > * Screenshots - we need someone to step up and run a sprint to > generate the rest of these. > > * Briefing Ambassadors - Nick Bebout > > * Monitoring PR/news from the release - I don't think we have a game > plan for this yet. Anyone? I can help with monitoring for press coverage. -Kara > > * Fedora news distribution network (NDN) - Steven, are you still up > for doing this? > > * In depth feature profiles - I'm finishing mine during gaps in a > conference today. > > * One page release notes - formerly the Tour Page - Sakis Samaras has > been doing some fantastic wordsmithing here, and Paul and Mo are > putting in images, so it looks like this is asymptotically reaching > the point of Total Awesome, and will soon pop this over to Design for > "please make nice PDF layout?" help. More feedback later in a response > to one of Sakis's emails. > From ath.samaras at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 18:34:52 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:34:52 +0200 Subject: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_write_a_Fedora_press_release Message-ID: Hello, I think the how-to is almost done https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_write_a_Fedora_press_release. Please comment. Sakis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Fri Nov 6 00:45:38 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:45:38 -0500 Subject: Fwd: The Fedora experience Message-ID: <4AF371B2.3060502@redhat.com> This reminds me of what Sakis was mentioning on IRC the other day about having a consistent motto across our marketing materials, for the benefit of the press. Nice read. --Mel -------- Original Message -------- Subject: The Fedora experience Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:57:17 -0500 From: M?ir?n Duffy Reply-To: fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com To: fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com Please check this article out. I think with our new website design we need to be providing an experience - a presentation - like this, and these techniques seem like they'll be a useful guide. ~m http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2009/sb2009106_706829.htm Uncovering Steve Jobs' Presentation Secrets "For his new book, communications coach Carmine Gallo watched hours of Jobs' keynotes. Here he identifies the five elements of every presentation by the Apple CEO" ... "1. A headline. Steve Jobs positions every product with a headline that fits well within a 140-character Twitter post. For example, Jobs described the MacBook Air as "the world's thinnest notebook." That phrase appeared on his presentation slides, the Apple Web site, and Apple's press releases at the same time. What is the one thing you want people to know about your product? This headline must be consistent in all of your marketing and presentation material." _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board From mel at redhat.com Fri Nov 6 15:41:35 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:41:35 -0500 Subject: Virt feature profile as it stands Message-ID: <4AF443AF.1090109@redhat.com> Sorry for the delay, folks - I thought I was going to be able to finish this in the plane and during my US-based layovers on the way to Singapore, but I just got stuck with a "your first plane arrives at the gate after your second plane's stated boarding time" situation - waiting to get out of the plane and RUN MADLY right now - so I have to dump and run. Here's what there is right now. I'm going to be splicing this into several separate long profiles during my long flight to Japan. If someone wants to dive through and cherrypick quotes to make a short all-virt-stuff-in-one article (which is what I *should* have done on the plane to Texas), I'll look at this page when I get to my hotel in Singapore and upload the extended versions, and at that point if there's not a short version I'll make one. (That's going to be Sunday night; long plane flights ahead.) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Current_draft --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 16:53:16 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:53:16 -0700 Subject: Virt feature profile as it stands In-Reply-To: <4AF443AF.1090109@redhat.com> References: <4AF443AF.1090109@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911060853w4d9f55a2ib2868b9cf0ccf7e3@mail.gmail.com> I'll take a look tonight (in about 8 hours). We just drove from our mountaun town to "the city" and I have two small children who are bouncing off the walls to go to the new Lego store at the mall, and how can I say no to that?? :) if nobody else beats me to it, I'll whip something up. -robyn On 11/6/09, Mel Chua wrote: > Sorry for the delay, folks - I thought I was going to be able to finish > this in the plane and during my US-based layovers on the way to > Singapore, but I just got stuck with a "your first plane arrives at the > gate after your second plane's stated boarding time" situation - waiting > to get out of the plane and RUN MADLY right now - so I have to dump and run. > > Here's what there is right now. I'm going to be splicing this into > several separate long profiles during my long flight to Japan. If > someone wants to dive through and cherrypick quotes to make a short > all-virt-stuff-in-one article (which is what I *should* have done on the > plane to Texas), I'll look at this page when I get to my hotel in > Singapore and upload the extended versions, and at that point if there's > not a short version I'll make one. (That's going to be Sunday night; > long plane flights ahead.) > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Current_draft > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Sent from my mobile device From mspevack at redhat.com Fri Nov 6 23:25:12 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:25:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Potential press release for Red Hat to distribute Message-ID: Hey Kara, Something that Fedora has been working on for a while now is the relicensing of all of its documentation and wiki to a Creative Commons license. We just finished this process up (in time for Fedora 12), and one of the things that the Fedora Marketing team has done is written up a press release talking about this, and why it is important. As a collective, we're curious to know if you think this is a press release that *Red Hat* would like to release through its official channel. If so, we want to give Red Hat the first shot at it. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release If not, then we'll push this news out through our various Fedora channels, but it seemed like a good idea to get your feedback first, as our primary contact for all Fedora press stuff at Red Hat. We're hoping to make a habit out of putting together more press releases like this -- places where we make a point of focusing, and writing up in a formal way, news items that are important to the Fedora community, so making sure we have good communication back to you and Red Hat PR is important to me. (Side note to the Fedora Marketing team -- Kara is one of Red Hat's PR gurus, and she is the person that Paul Frields and I work with for all Fedora and community-related press that goes through Red Hat.) Thanks! --Max From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Nov 7 05:45:11 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:45:11 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1257572711.1955.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:43 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Before we embark on Yet Another Wiki Page, I wanted to get some > consensus on whether we need an additional [[Fedora 12 Tour]] page. > Currently we have a (soon to be) screenshot-filled one-page release > notes page that is supposed to serve the function of introducing > novices to all the great features of release, and the basics of > Fedora in general and Fedora 12. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes So I've been trying to take a screenshot for this in the release notes: "Fedora includes Empathy, an instant messenger that supports chat, video, and audio." I spent a couple hours trying to get video to work. No dice: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533542 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601039 If video chat in Empathy doesn't work maybe we shouldn't be advertising it... I'd be happy to take a screenshot of ekiga instead... ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Nov 7 06:03:27 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:03:27 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:43 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Before we embark on Yet Another Wiki Page, I wanted to get some > consensus on whether we need an additional [[Fedora 12 Tour]] page. > Currently we have a (soon to be) screenshot-filled one-page release > notes page that is supposed to serve the function of introducing > novices to all the great features of release, and the basics of > Fedora in general and Fedora 12. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official features or not and thus would make the tour too long? - Technology preview: GNOME Shell - Totem has some new really awesome features such as playlist sharing and a BBC video viewing plugin (although on both counts I did not have much success getting them to work :( ) - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and gimp of course rock with a tablet ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Sat Nov 7 09:08:01 2009 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:08:01 -0800 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AF538F1.1030209@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2009 10:03 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and > gimp of course rock with a tablet > > ~m I noticed a significant improvement of drawing in Gimp. The lag that was present on Fedora 11 is gone. - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic & Web Designer E: luya at fedoraproject.org W: http://www.thefinalzone.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkr1OO0ACgkQaS6HaNQHFTnbvwCffNVZtziJIcGJFBjtsyxRaIXu btcAnjWrcChuEfLAH29nc4GVSLG5B6RC =jHmF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ath.samaras at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 09:42:29 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:42:29 +0200 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <4AF538F1.1030209@fedoraproject.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF538F1.1030209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: If you feel that we advertise anything that is not a "top quality" or a "cut-edge" technologically, it is better to replace it with something else, anything that you consider as a new "Desktop user" application can replace Empathy. Also as a note, we need to create and freeze a central moto (that has to replace or be included in the first lines ). I will include the nick '*Constantine' * in the page so we have an additional keyword for the engines. Sakis On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/06/2009 10:03 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool > > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive > > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual > > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a > > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and > > gimp of course rock with a tablet > > > > ~m > I noticed a significant improvement of drawing in Gimp. The lag that was > present on Fedora 11 is gone. > > > - -- > Luya Tshimbalanga > Graphic & Web Designer > E: luya at fedoraproject.org > W: http://www.thefinalzone.net > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkr1OO0ACgkQaS6HaNQHFTnbvwCffNVZtziJIcGJFBjtsyxRaIXu > btcAnjWrcChuEfLAH29nc4GVSLG5B6RC > =jHmF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ath.samaras at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 10:17:13 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:17:13 +0200 Subject: Virt feature profile as it stands In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911060853w4d9f55a2ib2868b9cf0ccf7e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AF443AF.1090109@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911060853w4d9f55a2ib2868b9cf0ccf7e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I will also contribute. Sakis On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > I'll take a look tonight (in about 8 hours). We just drove from our > mountaun town to "the city" and I have two small children who are > bouncing off the walls to go to the new Lego store at the mall, and > how can I say no to that?? :) if nobody else beats me to it, I'll whip > something up. > > -robyn > > On 11/6/09, Mel Chua wrote: > > Sorry for the delay, folks - I thought I was going to be able to finish > > this in the plane and during my US-based layovers on the way to > > Singapore, but I just got stuck with a "your first plane arrives at the > > gate after your second plane's stated boarding time" situation - waiting > > to get out of the plane and RUN MADLY right now - so I have to dump and > run. > > > > Here's what there is right now. I'm going to be splicing this into > > several separate long profiles during my long flight to Japan. If > > someone wants to dive through and cherrypick quotes to make a short > > all-virt-stuff-in-one article (which is what I *should* have done on the > > plane to Texas), I'll look at this page when I get to my hotel in > > Singapore and upload the extended versions, and at that point if there's > > not a short version I'll make one. (That's going to be Sunday night; > > long plane flights ahead.) > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Current_draft > > > > --Mel > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Nov 7 12:18:13 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:48:13 +0530 Subject: Potential press release for Red Hat to distribute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AF56585.70603@fedoraproject.org> On 11/07/2009 04:55 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > We're hoping to make a habit out of putting together more press releases > like this -- places where we make a point of focusing, and writing up in > a formal way, news items that are important to the Fedora community, so > making sure we have good communication back to you and Red Hat PR is > important to me. I would certainly love that. I always disliked the fact that press releases of Fedora has been written so far without broader community input and I would like Red Hat to be the facilitator instead with Fedora Marketing team writing it. Rahul From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 16:22:53 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:22:53 -0700 Subject: Virt feature profile as it stands In-Reply-To: References: <4AF443AF.1090109@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911060853w4d9f55a2ib2868b9cf0ccf7e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911070822g513b14c1s44b174cf5019cc6a@mail.gmail.com> I've put up a bit of framework and I'm currently cherry-picking right now (unfortunately, there will be no cherry pie to eat at the end...booooo!). What I'm in process with right now is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Interview_Highlights:_Virtualization_Improvements_in_Fedora_12 -robyn On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > I will also contribute. > > Sakis > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Robyn Bergeron > wrote: >> >> I'll take a look tonight (in about 8 hours). We just drove from our >> mountaun town to "the city" and I have two small children who are >> bouncing off the walls to go to the new Lego store at the mall, and >> how can I say no to that?? :) if nobody else beats me to it, I'll whip >> something up. >> >> -robyn >> >> On 11/6/09, Mel Chua wrote: >> > Sorry for the delay, folks - ?I thought I was going to be able to finish >> > this in the plane and during my US-based layovers on the way to >> > Singapore, but I just got stuck with a "your first plane arrives at the >> > gate after your second plane's stated boarding time" situation - waiting >> > to get out of the plane and RUN MADLY right now - so I have to dump and >> > run. >> > >> > Here's what there is right now. I'm going to be splicing this into >> > several separate long profiles during my long flight to Japan. If >> > someone wants to dive through and cherrypick quotes to make a short >> > all-virt-stuff-in-one article (which is what I *should* have done on the >> > plane to Texas), I'll look at this page when I get to my hotel in >> > Singapore and upload the extended versions, and at that point if there's >> > not a short version I'll make one. (That's going to be Sunday night; >> > long plane flights ahead.) >> > >> > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Current_draft >> > >> > --Mel >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 17:35:29 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:35:29 -0700 Subject: Done(ish): Interview Highlights: Virtualization Improvements in Fedora 12 Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911070935v4c946fc8p48bf11796f223fbc@mail.gmail.com> I've written up some of the highlights from Mel's interview with some of the virt team. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Interview_Highlights:_Virtualization_Improvements_in_Fedora_12 Please take a gander. I took a few liberties... like capitalization, the use of [words] to summarize parts of a sentence on occasions when I didn't want to use the whole previous sentence / lead-in, changing irc nicks on occasion to full names, fixing spelling errors, etc. (Okay, that's more than a few liberties, I suppose. :D) Also, if anyone has any thoughts on better framing it - I used straight interview quotes summarized by topic headings, rather than doing something more formal along the lines of "Mel also spoke with David about XYZ. " In any case - feedback would be appreciated, particularly in the area of "wow, she totally omitted the MOST IMPORTANT THING said" or "she totally mangled the meaning there" - the most I know about virtualization is "what it is" and "how to spell it," although I did learn quite a bit from the AWESOME interview that was conducted here. I'm also mildly concerned about lengthiness, but I felt that what is here is fairly informative and I didn't want to cut anything good. :) -robyn From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sat Nov 7 21:09:51 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:09:51 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF538F1.1030209@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4AF5E21F.1000506@linuxgrrl.com> Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > Also as a note, we need to create and freeze a central moto (that has to > replace or be included in the first lines ). > I will include the nick '/Constantine' / in the page so we have an > additional keyword for the engines. The central motto was already decided a while back - it is "Unite." ~m From ath.samaras at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 22:16:10 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:16:10 +0200 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <4AF5E21F.1000506@linuxgrrl.com> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF538F1.1030209@fedoraproject.org> <4AF5E21F.1000506@linuxgrrl.com> Message-ID: OK, Sorry I just have a few days that I jumped in. Unite it is then. Still: apart of the Virtualization and Empathy can we promote the usage of F12 for Net-tops and Embedded systems? If so please include a URL for further reading. Thanks Sakis 2009/11/7 M?ir?n Duffy > Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > >> Also as a note, we need to create and freeze a central moto (that has to >> replace or be included in the first lines ). >> I will include the nick '/Constantine' / in the page so we have an >> additional keyword for the engines. >> > > The central motto was already decided a while back - it is "Unite." > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ath.samaras at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 22:24:05 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:24:05 +0200 Subject: Virt feature profile as it stands In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911070822g513b14c1s44b174cf5019cc6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AF443AF.1090109@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911060853w4d9f55a2ib2868b9cf0ccf7e3@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90911070822g513b14c1s44b174cf5019cc6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think we have to move highlights Up at the beginning of the article and then leave the detailed transcript. The scope would be to provide an overview and then give the opportunity to anyone to read and decide for them self. Sakis On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > I've put up a bit of framework and I'm currently cherry-picking right > now (unfortunately, there will be no cherry pie to eat at the > end...booooo!). > > What I'm in process with right now is at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Interview_Highlights:_Virtualization_Improvements_in_Fedora_12 > > -robyn > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Athanasios E. Samaras > wrote: > > I will also contribute. > > > > Sakis > > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Robyn Bergeron > > > wrote: > >> > >> I'll take a look tonight (in about 8 hours). We just drove from our > >> mountaun town to "the city" and I have two small children who are > >> bouncing off the walls to go to the new Lego store at the mall, and > >> how can I say no to that?? :) if nobody else beats me to it, I'll whip > >> something up. > >> > >> -robyn > >> > >> On 11/6/09, Mel Chua wrote: > >> > Sorry for the delay, folks - I thought I was going to be able to > finish > >> > this in the plane and during my US-based layovers on the way to > >> > Singapore, but I just got stuck with a "your first plane arrives at > the > >> > gate after your second plane's stated boarding time" situation - > waiting > >> > to get out of the plane and RUN MADLY right now - so I have to dump > and > >> > run. > >> > > >> > Here's what there is right now. I'm going to be splicing this into > >> > several separate long profiles during my long flight to Japan. If > >> > someone wants to dive through and cherrypick quotes to make a short > >> > all-virt-stuff-in-one article (which is what I *should* have done on > the > >> > plane to Texas), I'll look at this page when I get to my hotel in > >> > Singapore and upload the extended versions, and at that point if > there's > >> > not a short version I'll make one. (That's going to be Sunday night; > >> > long plane flights ahead.) > >> > > >> > > >> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Current_draft > >> > > >> > --Mel > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from my mobile device > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 23:14:07 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:14:07 -0700 Subject: Virt feature profile as it stands In-Reply-To: References: <4AF443AF.1090109@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911060853w4d9f55a2ib2868b9cf0ccf7e3@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90911070822g513b14c1s44b174cf5019cc6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911071514x618868d2xaaa9fa4edd6a89cd@mail.gmail.com> I figured mel would figure out how she needs it - it may need to be a standalone article for press purposes, but I'm not sure, and mel have have more things she wants to do for the full-length interview. On 11/7/09, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > I think we have to move highlights Up at the beginning of the article and > then leave the detailed transcript. > The scope would be to provide an overview and then give the opportunity to > anyone to read and decide for them self. > > Sakis > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Robyn Bergeron > wrote: > >> I've put up a bit of framework and I'm currently cherry-picking right >> now (unfortunately, there will be no cherry pie to eat at the >> end...booooo!). >> >> What I'm in process with right now is at >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Interview_Highlights:_Virtualization_Improvements_in_Fedora_12 >> >> -robyn >> >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Athanasios E. Samaras >> wrote: >> > I will also contribute. >> > >> > Sakis >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Robyn Bergeron > > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I'll take a look tonight (in about 8 hours). We just drove from our >> >> mountaun town to "the city" and I have two small children who are >> >> bouncing off the walls to go to the new Lego store at the mall, and >> >> how can I say no to that?? :) if nobody else beats me to it, I'll whip >> >> something up. >> >> >> >> -robyn >> >> >> >> On 11/6/09, Mel Chua wrote: >> >> > Sorry for the delay, folks - I thought I was going to be able to >> finish >> >> > this in the plane and during my US-based layovers on the way to >> >> > Singapore, but I just got stuck with a "your first plane arrives at >> the >> >> > gate after your second plane's stated boarding time" situation - >> waiting >> >> > to get out of the plane and RUN MADLY right now - so I have to dump >> and >> >> > run. >> >> > >> >> > Here's what there is right now. I'm going to be splicing this into >> >> > several separate long profiles during my long flight to Japan. If >> >> > someone wants to dive through and cherrypick quotes to make a short >> >> > all-virt-stuff-in-one article (which is what I *should* have done on >> the >> >> > plane to Texas), I'll look at this page when I get to my hotel in >> >> > Singapore and upload the extended versions, and at that point if >> there's >> >> > not a short version I'll make one. (That's going to be Sunday night; >> >> > long plane flights ahead.) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_improvements_in_Fedora_12#Current_draft >> >> > >> >> > --Mel >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > -- Sent from my mobile device From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sun Nov 8 07:11:10 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:11:10 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes > > Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official > features or not and thus would make the tour too long? > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and > gimp of course rock with a tablet So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. ~m From luya at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 8 08:38:00 2009 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:38:00 -0800 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AF68368.4030608@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/07/2009 11:11 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none > of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are > installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? Does that case apply for Live Media (Live CD)? I was surprised to notice Gimp was not included in default (what application made it for that removal). > > I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. > Is that meditation? (^w^) - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic & Web Designer E: luya at fedoraproject.org W: http://www.thefinalzone.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkr2g2YACgkQaS6HaNQHFTm6SQCdHV1JrzfGjZU5BfYAUfRrTF6/ KgIAoJx6Il0z/aYZ7DhXoQsFQndhESO+ =XaE/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 8 08:47:49 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:17:49 +0530 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <4AF68368.4030608@fedoraproject.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF68368.4030608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4AF685B5.4030704@fedoraproject.org> On 11/08/2009 02:08 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/07/2009 11:11 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >> >> So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none >> of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are >> installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? > Does that case apply for Live Media (Live CD)? I was surprised to notice > Gimp was not included in default (what application made it for that > removal). Just lack of space. I am creating a remix that targets USB keys instead and it will have all the usual apps. Rahul From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sun Nov 8 09:01:08 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:01:08 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <4AF68368.4030608@fedoraproject.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF68368.4030608@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1257670868.2466.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 00:38 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/07/2009 11:11 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > > > So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none > > of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are > > installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? > Does that case apply for Live Media (Live CD)? I was surprised to notice > Gimp was not included in default (what application made it for that > removal). > > > > I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. > > > > Is that meditation? (^w^) If you think it's a bad pose we can pull it. I had one where I was smiling a lot more but it came out blurry ~m From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 8 09:02:20 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:32:20 +0530 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257670868.2466.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF68368.4030608@fedoraproject.org> <1257670868.2466.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AF6891C.9070302@fedoraproject.org> On 11/08/2009 02:31 PM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > If you think it's a bad pose we can pull it. I had one where I was > smiling a lot more but it came out blurry You need just need to smile again then :-) Rahul From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 8 09:55:21 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:55:21 +0800 Subject: Potential press release for Red Hat to distribute In-Reply-To: <4AF56585.70603@fedoraproject.org> References: <4AF56585.70603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4AF69589.7070000@redhat.com> On 11/07/2009 08:18 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 11/07/2009 04:55 AM, Max Spevack wrote: > >> We're hoping to make a habit out of putting together more press releases >> like this -- places where we make a point of focusing, and writing up in >> a formal way, news items that are important to the Fedora community, so >> making sure we have good communication back to you and Red Hat PR is >> important to me. > > I would certainly love that. I always disliked the fact that press > releases of Fedora has been written so far without broader community > input and I would like Red Hat to be the facilitator instead with Fedora > Marketing team writing it. +1 - in order to do this, we need to build Fedora Marketing's ability to make things like press releases; efforts like Sakis's recent revision of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_write_a_Fedora_press_release are great examples of how we can teach each other how to hone these sorts of skills. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 8 16:50:43 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:50:43 +0800 Subject: Fedora Insight sprint results In-Reply-To: References: <4AEFCC56.8050609@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF6F6E3.6000700@redhat.com> On 11/03/2009 09:40 PM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > Same here, also the images are a bit too slow during first download. > When displaying "block sizes" via "Web Developer " add-on you will find > that a lot of not strictly required div tags are generated. This leads > to a generic slow down since all DIV tags have to be processed by DOM > parser also. > The quick fix may be to fix both the image itself (since the actual > image is a fragment of Fedora Logo that can be re-sized or changed to > the appropriate > https://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/simonstestimage.jpg ) > and/or the css that indicates that the div size is 80X120px and a -10px > top-left offset the image is 60X100 +10px padding. Asked the Design team for a quick fix: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/81#preview Thanks for the sharp eyes, everyone - with many eyeballs, all bugs are shallow indeed. (I am looking forward to the design portion of the zikula/FI sprint at FUDCon very, very much.) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 8 16:57:18 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:57:18 +0800 Subject: Some relevant dates In-Reply-To: <20091103201408.GV20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091103201408.GV20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4AF6F86E.7010201@redhat.com> > Oct. 21 - In-depth feature #1 (SystemTap) > Oct. 27 - Video spotlight #1 > Oct. 26 - Nov. 8: Edit webcopy for http://redhat.com/Fedora > Weeks of Nov. 3 and Nov. 9 - schedule and facilitate pre-briefs > Nov. 3 - In-depth feature #2 (Desktop or Virt)<-- prefer Desktop here > Nov. 5 - Finalize homepage promo and send to geos > Nov. 9 - Finalize F12 launch video > Nov. 10 - Video spotlight #2 > Nov. 12 - Press release to int'l PR teams for translation > Nov. 17 - F12 GA / Launch video / press release Thanks for the heads-up, Paul - ooh, video spotlights! I'm curious to see those. As a side note, for the next release, we might want to try merging the F13 version of the calendar above and the F13 version of http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-marketing-tasks.html (the marketing task timeline the Fedora Marketing team came up with at the start of the cycle), so we have all the F13 Marketing/PR dates on one page; I wonder if that will make it easier for Fedora Marketing and Red Hat PR/Marketing to help each other out on this. We can figure whether this will work during F13 planning meetings, this is just a heads-up that it's something likely to hit the agenda at some point after the craziness from this cycle is over. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 8 17:22:22 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:22:22 +0800 Subject: Fwd: Web page for distro life cycle stage In-Reply-To: <35586fc00911032005w5fcf1228g260857366eeb72ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <35586fc00911032005w5fcf1228g260857366eeb72ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF6FE4E.9020400@redhat.com> On 11/04/2009 12:05 PM, sankarshan wrote: > Forwarding this to the marketing list with the idea of initiating a > discussion around the visual representation of this suggestion. Punting to the "let's talk about this when we talk about F13" ideas list, though if someone wants to pick it up in the meantime they'd certainly be welcome. ;) This may make a nice starter for someone who'd like to get started on an independent project. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/83 --Mel From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sun Nov 8 17:50:09 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:50:09 -0500 Subject: Fedora Insight sprint results In-Reply-To: <4AF6F6E3.6000700@redhat.com> References: <4AEFCC56.8050609@redhat.com> <4AF6F6E3.6000700@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF704D1.9000707@linuxgrrl.com> Mel Chua wrote: > On 11/03/2009 09:40 PM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: >> Same here, also the images are a bit too slow during first download. >> When displaying "block sizes" via "Web Developer " add-on you will find >> that a lot of not strictly required div tags are generated. This leads >> to a generic slow down since all DIV tags have to be processed by DOM >> parser also. >> The quick fix may be to fix both the image itself (since the actual >> image is a fragment of Fedora Logo that can be re-sized or changed to >> the appropriate The images are more the problem than the divs. The divs are being spit out by Zikula and in many cases are not easy to remove. There are some images in the article that are very high resolution sized down in CSS. Those images are just test images in test articles and I would not expect would appear on the actual launched site. None of the images in the actual theme are that large, they are true to size. ~m From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 8 17:23:44 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:23:44 +0800 Subject: Colin's comments on the one-page release notes In-Reply-To: References: <4AF1C9BF.7030801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF6FEA0.6090701@redhat.com> You can help in any way you want. :) Sorry, I should have been clearer - my forwarding of Colin's message to the list was a "hey look, an interesting idea - if someone wants to pick it up and run with it, please go ahead!" --Mel On 11/05/2009 07:00 AM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > Open to suggestions. Can we help in any way too? > > ~S > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Mel Chua > wrote: > > Via Paul and Mo, from Colin: > > 18:23:23 < stickster> mizmo: nice work on the one page > release notes; one thing we should do probably that would help you out > here is more clearly separate Features into those 3 categories > 18:23:23 < stickster> then you could link to the > Features/Desktop, Features/Administration, Features/Development > 18:23:23 < stickster> walters: oh i didnt do it, i just > added some images to it, i think the marketing team had a sprint on it > 18:23:23 < stickster> right now (like the package system), > apps, development, and core system are all mixed up > > Good stuff for anyone interested in working on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/One_page_release_notes - > incorporating these changes into the F12 version is a nice quick one > for someone looking for a 15min task to get started with. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > From luya at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 8 19:38:23 2009 From: luya at fedoraproject.org (Luya Tshimbalanga) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:38:23 -0800 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257670868.2466.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF68368.4030608@fedoraproject.org> <1257670868.2466.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AF71E2F.3000705@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/08/2009 01:01 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> >>> >>> I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. >>> >> >> Is that meditation? (^w^) > > If you think it's a bad pose we can pull it. I had one where I was > smiling a lot more but it came out blurry > Wise decision, not that pose is bad but can trigger some reactions. Like Rahul said, more smile please. ^_^ - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic & Web Designer E: luya at fedoraproject.org W: http://www.thefinalzone.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkr3Hi4ACgkQaS6HaNQHFTnf2QCeJZXsdwxCJP30xU9gs0j0W/0l 9E0AnRU31iBjr9NwSSeosWnNJOW1c6Wr =emu1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Sun Nov 8 22:55:55 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:55:55 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <4AF71E2F.3000705@fedoraproject.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF68368.4030608@fedoraproject.org> <1257670868.2466.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AF71E2F.3000705@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4AF74C7B.20108@linuxgrrl.com> Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/08/2009 01:01 AM, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. >> >> >> > >> > Is that meditation? (^w^) >> >> If you think it's a bad pose we can pull it. I had one where I was >> smiling a lot more but it came out blurry >> > Wise decision, not that pose is bad but can trigger some reactions. Like > Rahul said, more smile please. ^_^ I can't take such a photo of myself and I couldn't find any volunteers to model, so hopefully someone else can provide a photo for there . ~m From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 00:25:09 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:25:09 +1000 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20091109002509.GF6242@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 02:11:10AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes > > > > Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official > > features or not and thus would make the tour too long? > > > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool > > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive > > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual > > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a > > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and > > gimp of course rock with a tablet > > So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none > of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are > installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? > > I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. I don't think that we have to be limited to just what's installed by default when we talk about the things that Fedora offers. After all, that enables us to talk about virtualization and hardware enablements. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 01:01:39 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:01:39 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <20091109002509.GF6242@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20091109002509.GF6242@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911081701t7f9322b0o85794b54181485d1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 02:11:10AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes >> > >> > Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official >> > features or not and thus would make the tour too long? >> >> > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool >> > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive >> > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual >> > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a >> > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and >> > gimp of course rock with a tablet >> >> So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none >> of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are >> installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? >> >> I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. > > I don't think that we have to be limited to just what's installed by > default when we talk about the things that Fedora offers. ?After all, > that enables us to talk about virtualization and hardware enablements. When I read this thread I had a small idea - it would be cool if we had some sort of rotating banner / box / something with a photo of a person and the "I use Fedora 12 for X" or "What I like most about F12 is Y"... with their name and what they do. For example, mine might say something like, "My kids use Fedora 12 for online preschool games" -Robyn, a mom! ...just to show the diversity of what Fedora offers to a variety of people. Let users upload a photo and a statement and give them a chance to see themselves on the front page or something. Anyway, just, you know, coming up with my usual random ideas :) All the stuff we say Fedora 12 can do is fine and dandy, but it's awesome to hear about practical use cases from actual end users, with actual faces. > > -- > Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ > ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 01:02:34 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:02:34 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911081701t7f9322b0o85794b54181485d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20091109002509.GF6242@victoria.internal.frields.org> <5d4d90c90911081701t7f9322b0o85794b54181485d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911081702q7d98b3f9q936986cabd81c81@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 02:11:10AM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >>> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes >>> > >>> > Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official >>> > features or not and thus would make the tour too long? >>> >>> > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool >>> > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive >>> > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual >>> > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a >>> > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and >>> > gimp of course rock with a tablet >>> >>> So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none >>> of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are >>> installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? >>> >>> I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. >> >> I don't think that we have to be limited to just what's installed by >> default when we talk about the things that Fedora offers. ?After all, >> that enables us to talk about virtualization and hardware enablements. > > When I read this thread I had a small idea - it would be cool if we > had some sort of rotating banner / box / something with a photo of a > person and the "I use Fedora 12 for X" or "What I like most about F12 > is Y"... ?with their name and what they do. ?For example, mine might > say something like, "My kids use Fedora 12 for online preschool games" > -Robyn, a mom! > > ...just to show the diversity of what Fedora offers to a variety of > people. ?Let users upload a photo and a statement and give them a > chance to see themselves on the front page or something. > > Anyway, just, you know, coming up with my usual random ideas :) ?All > the stuff we say Fedora 12 can do is fine and dandy, but it's awesome > to hear about practical use cases from actual end users, with actual > faces. And yes, we can put this in the brainbucket for F13 planning, or maybe do it after F12 has been out a while and people are actually saying what they use it for. :) > >> >> -- >> Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ >> ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 >> ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ >> ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 9 01:55:28 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:55:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1257731728.2466.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 02:11 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes > > > > Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official > > features or not and thus would make the tour too long? > > > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool > > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive > > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual > > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a > > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and > > gimp of course rock with a tablet > > So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none > of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are > installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? > > I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. I forgot to note I took a screenshot of the desktop and blinged it. Nicu noted the screenshot in the F12 www.fpo front page banner design is too plain, so I plan on replacing that one with the base (unblinged) screenshot from the blinged up screenshot I did for the release notes: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F12-relnotes-screenshot-main.png Note that in comparison to other distributions screenshots *ahem*, this screenshot shows non-proprietary / openly-licensed entertainment being enjoyed. :) It does not show proprietary / closed source / non-open content such as Twitter or Britney Spears or whatever. - free & open source identi.ca is shown in empathy - Jabber is used as the protocol in the sample cat - GNote (no mono) is shown as the note-taking app - Wikipedia is being browsed - Rhythmbox is playing Dan Masquelier's album 'Wake Up' which is a CC-licensed album. All the other artists shown in the shot have CC-licensed albums as well. - and of course the wallpaper and the background behind the wallpaper and the actual composition were produced using the free tools in Fedora itself (Gimp and Inkscape) - should go without saying but it's still important. ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 9 01:57:50 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:57:50 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911081701t7f9322b0o85794b54181485d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20091109002509.GF6242@victoria.internal.frields.org> <5d4d90c90911081701t7f9322b0o85794b54181485d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1257731870.2466.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Robyn! On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 18:01 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > When I read this thread I had a small idea - it would be cool if we > had some sort of rotating banner / box / something with a photo of a > person and the "I use Fedora 12 for X" or "What I like most about F12 > is Y"... with their name and what they do. For example, mine might > say something like, "My kids use Fedora 12 for online preschool games" > -Robyn, a mom! > > ...just to show the diversity of what Fedora offers to a variety of > people. Let users upload a photo and a statement and give them a > chance to see themselves on the front page or something. > > Anyway, just, you know, coming up with my usual random ideas :) All > the stuff we say Fedora 12 can do is fine and dandy, but it's awesome > to hear about practical use cases from actual end users, with actual > faces. Absolutely, I think it's a fantastic idea. Paul and I had mocked up something similar for the www.fpo redesign (slated for F13) a while back. Check it out (the 'I use Fedora block towards the bottom): http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png Was thinking it could be a rotating set of stories.... what do you think? Would you be willing to be interviewed for a feature like that? :) ~m From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 05:29:29 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:29:29 -0700 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257731870.2466.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20091109002509.GF6242@victoria.internal.frields.org> <5d4d90c90911081701t7f9322b0o85794b54181485d1@mail.gmail.com> <1257731870.2466.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911082129h7243d826v2b013a9210e5126@mail.gmail.com> 2009/11/8 M?ir?n Duffy : > Hi Robyn! > > On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 18:01 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> When I read this thread I had a small idea - it would be cool if we >> had some sort of rotating banner / box / something with a photo of a >> person and the "I use Fedora 12 for X" or "What I like most about F12 >> is Y"... ?with their name and what they do. ?For example, mine might >> say something like, "My kids use Fedora 12 for online preschool games" >> -Robyn, a mom! >> >> ...just to show the diversity of what Fedora offers to a variety of >> people. ?Let users upload a photo and a statement and give them a >> chance to see themselves on the front page or something. >> >> Anyway, just, you know, coming up with my usual random ideas :) ?All >> the stuff we say Fedora 12 can do is fine and dandy, but it's awesome >> to hear about practical use cases from actual end users, with actual >> faces. > > Absolutely, I think it's a fantastic idea. Paul and I had mocked up > something similar for the www.fpo redesign (slated for F13) a while > back. Check it out (the 'I use Fedora block towards the bottom): > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png > > Was thinking it could be a rotating set of stories.... what do you > think? Would you be willing to be interviewed for a feature like > that? :) Wow! That mockup just aesthetically gorgeous and clean and yummy. The "featured user" box is precisely what I had in mind. :) I'd be happy to do an interview. -robyn > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From duffy at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 9 06:05:52 2009 From: duffy at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy?=) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:05:52 -0500 Subject: digg my blog post on F12 Message-ID: <4AF7B140.6000401@fedoraproject.org> Hi, I recently made a blog post about tablet support in F12: http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/fedora-12-rocks-on-tablets/ I was quite surprised to find it had more than a few diggs on digg.com. Would you mind digging it too? http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_12_rocks_on_tablets Let's spread the word about F12 rocking far and wide :) ~m From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 06:42:50 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:50 +1000 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <1257731728.2466.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257731728.2466.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20091109064250.GE4090@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:55:28PM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 02:11 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes > > > > > > Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official > > > features or not and thus would make the tour too long? > > > > > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool > > > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive > > > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual > > > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a > > > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and > > > gimp of course rock with a tablet > > > > So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none > > of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are > > installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? > > > > I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. > > I forgot to note I took a screenshot of the desktop and blinged it. Nicu > noted the screenshot in the F12 www.fpo front page banner design is too > plain, so I plan on replacing that one with the base (unblinged) > screenshot from the blinged up screenshot I did for the release notes: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F12-relnotes-screenshot-main.png > > Note that in comparison to other distributions screenshots *ahem*, this > screenshot shows non-proprietary / openly-licensed entertainment being > enjoyed. :) It does not show proprietary / closed source / non-open > content such as Twitter or Britney Spears or whatever. > > - free & open source identi.ca is shown in empathy > - Jabber is used as the protocol in the sample cat > - GNote (no mono) is shown as the note-taking app > - Wikipedia is being browsed > - Rhythmbox is playing Dan Masquelier's album 'Wake Up' which is a > CC-licensed album. All the other artists shown in the shot have > CC-licensed albums as well. > - and of course the wallpaper and the background behind the wallpaper > and the actual composition were produced using the free tools in Fedora > itself (Gimp and Inkscape) - should go without saying but it's still > important. I showed this to Spot, sitting next to me in Brisbane, and he agreed it was superb. This document is really shaping up nicely! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 9 19:10:12 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:10:12 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <2873db3abf5c9204614ffcddf26065f9@localhost.localdomain> Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From kschiltz at redhat.com Mon Nov 9 19:22:05 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:22:05 -0500 Subject: Potential press release for Red Hat to distribute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AF86BDD.8060201@redhat.com> Hi Max, I think this is a good news item that we could make some noise with in the press. It is something that I'd be willing to put out through the Red Hat channels. However, it's important to note that this press release and any other future Fedora press releases distributed by Red Hat would be subject to review and approval. That said, there could be changes (some minor and others perhaps a little more heavy) to a press release drafted by the community and distributed via Red Hat channels. Red Hat always aims to stay true to the spirit of Fedora in the Fedora-related communications we distribute. But, as a publicly-traded company there are rules and regulations Red Hat must follow. All press releases must be reviewed by Red Hat's Legal team to ensure that we're adhering to SEC and company guidelines. We also try to follow AP style guidelines which could result in some formatting changes. I'm very happy and eager to help in distributing Fedora communications via Red Hat channels. Please just keep in mind that there are some things to consider including the potential for a community-drafted press release to be edited from its original form. As mentioned above, it could be a minor change but there could also be more considerable changes depending on the subject matter. Let me know if you'd like to move forward in pushing out the Creative Commons press release via Red Hat press channels. I'm happy to help get things started! Thanks, Kara Max Spevack wrote: > Hey Kara, > > Something that Fedora has been working on for a while now is the > relicensing of all of its documentation and wiki to a Creative Commons > license. We just finished this process up (in time for Fedora 12), and > one of the things that the Fedora Marketing team has done is written > up a press release talking about this, and why it is important. > > As a collective, we're curious to know if you think this is a press > release that *Red Hat* would like to release through its official > channel. If so, we want to give Red Hat the first shot at it. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release > > > If not, then we'll push this news out through our various Fedora > channels, but it seemed like a good idea to get your feedback first, > as our primary contact for all Fedora press stuff at Red Hat. > > We're hoping to make a habit out of putting together more press > releases like this -- places where we make a point of focusing, and > writing up in a formal way, news items that are important to the > Fedora community, so making sure we have good communication back to > you and Red Hat PR is important to me. > > (Side note to the Fedora Marketing team -- Kara is one of Red Hat's PR > gurus, and she is the person that Paul Frields and I work with for all > Fedora and community-related press that goes through Red Hat.) > > Thanks! > > --Max > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 9 19:38:41 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:08:41 +0530 Subject: Potential press release for Red Hat to distribute In-Reply-To: <4AF86BDD.8060201@redhat.com> References: <4AF86BDD.8060201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF86FC1.5090609@fedoraproject.org> On 11/10/2009 12:52 AM, Kara Schiltz wrote: > Hi Max, > > I think this is a good news item that we could make some noise with in > the press. It is something that I'd be willing to put out through the > Red Hat channels. However, it's important to note that this press > release and any other future Fedora press releases distributed by Red > Hat would be subject to review and approval. That said, there could be > changes (some minor and others perhaps a little more heavy) to a press > release drafted by the community and distributed via Red Hat channels. > > Red Hat always aims to stay true to the spirit of Fedora in the > Fedora-related communications we distribute. But, as a publicly-traded > company there are rules and regulations Red Hat must follow. All press > releases must be reviewed by Red Hat's Legal team to ensure that we're > adhering to SEC and company guidelines. We also try to follow AP style > guidelines which could result in some formatting changes. Can the rules be stated publicly to give us some guidance and help you channel through quickly? Rahul From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 9 20:44:51 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:44:51 +0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <2873db3abf5c9204614ffcddf26065f9@localhost.localdomain> References: <2873db3abf5c9204614ffcddf26065f9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AF87F43.1020700@redhat.com> On 11/10/2009 03:10 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. > > See you folks there! > > --Mel > NEWS FLASH: tomorrow's meeting will be (1) half an hour later than usual, because (2) the amazing Kara Schiltz will be holding a Fedora Classroom session for us on HOWTO set up for PR monitoring. I'll send out another email in a moment with the full announcement so as to catch the classroom list and not confuse subject lines overmuch. But you heard it on this thread first. ;) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 9 21:04:35 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:04:35 +0800 Subject: Fedora Classroom Marketing Class: Monitoring release PR Message-ID: <4AF883E3.1040304@redhat.com> So... our usual Marketing Meeting this week (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Meeting_details) is a little special. It's not at 20:00 UTC - it's at 20:30 UTC. It's not in #fedora-mktg - it's in #fedora-classroom. And holding the microphone will be the amazing Kara Schiltz, of Red Hat PR (and Fedora Marketing!) fame - who will be teaching a Fedora Classroom (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) class on how she sets up to monitor PR from a release. How are we going to find out what the papers are saying about Fedora 12? (And how do we react to that information when it comes in?) Come learn, ask questions, and put together your own monitoring-fu as we all hang out in #fedora-classroom - logs will be posted afterwards with followup discussion on the Marketing list (https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list). Many thanks to Kara for offering her knowledge and her time, and to Kevin Fenzi for his constant support in getting Classroom stuff to happen. See you there! --Mel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 9 21:08:19 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:38:19 +0530 Subject: Fedora Project =?utf-8?q?=E2=86=92_CC_BY-SA_3=2E0?= Message-ID: <4AF884C3.5020603@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/19107 "The Fedora Project, best known for its community-centric and cutting-edge GNU/Linux distribution, but also committed to ?leading the advancement of free, open software and content? (emphasis added, from the Fedora Project home page), has migrated all of its documentation and wiki content to CC BY-SA from the long-deprecated Open Publication License, via their contributor agreement." Rahul From mspevack at redhat.com Mon Nov 9 22:21:47 2009 From: mspevack at redhat.com (Max Spevack) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:21:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Potential press release for Red Hat to distribute In-Reply-To: <4AF86BDD.8060201@redhat.com> References: <4AF86BDD.8060201@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Kara Schiltz wrote: > I think this is a good news item that we could make some noise with in > the press. It is something that I'd be willing to put out through the > Red Hat channels. However, it's important to note that this press > release and any other future Fedora press releases distributed by Red > Hat would be subject to review and approval. That said, there could be > changes (some minor and others perhaps a little more heavy) to a press > release drafted by the community and distributed via Red Hat channels. > > Red Hat always aims to stay true to the spirit of Fedora in the > Fedora-related communications we distribute. But, as a publicly-traded > company there are rules and regulations Red Hat must follow. All press > releases must be reviewed by Red Hat's Legal team to ensure that we're > adhering to SEC and company guidelines. We also try to follow AP style > guidelines which could result in some formatting changes. Of course -- and I never thought otherwise. Let's compare past Fedora press releases with a (proposed) new method: In the past, Paul Frields or I would draft something, show it to one or two people, and then hand it off to you for revisions, legal approval, etc. Then it gets published. The total number of press pieces was pretty low, and we only really did this at release time. Now, we're trying to figure out a more community-friendly way of writing up things that look and feel like press releases. We want to be able to give Red Hat first look at this stuff -- for you to be able to say "I like this one, let me work on turning it into something Red Hat can release" and then doing that, and for the other stuff to be distributed via blogs, Fedora Insight, etc -- less formal ways. That's all. > Let me know if you'd like to move forward in pushing out the Creative > Commons press release via Red Hat press channels. I'm happy to help > get things started! So for this particular Creative Commons one, the questions we have for you are: (1) Given the other press releases Red Hat is putting out in the near term, is this something you think is worthwhile for *that particular channel*? (2) If so, then we fully expect that there will be some tweaks -- we are just trying to put together a draft, and the community goal over time is to get better and better such that the tweaks necessary are less, making your job easier. (3) If not, we'll figure out other channels of publicizing this news. Hope that's all a bit more clear. Thanks as always, Max From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 22:29:23 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:29:23 -0700 Subject: Needed: Marketing representative for F12 readiness meeting In-Reply-To: <4AF2E0CD.9050400@redhat.com> References: <4AF22122.6060404@redhat.com> <4AF2E0CD.9050400@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911091429ideb645and78c2239bf5b2780@mail.gmail.com> Mel - is there any info on time / place for this? On 11/5/09, Mel Chua wrote: >> Wed 11-Nov Wed 11-Nov F12 Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting > > Speaking of which: I'm going to be in Singapore during this meeting and > will need a sub - would anyone like to represent Marketing for the > readiness meeting next Wednesday? > > It basically involves standing up - on IRC or on the phone, not sure > which medium we're using this time - and giving folks an update on > Marketing deliverables status (like the quick one I just sent to this > list) and whether there's anything blocking us from finishing on time > for the release (there shouldn't be) and making sure we're not blocking > anyone else (we shouldn't be). > > For the curious, you can see the logs from the last readiness meeting > (for the Beta) here: > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-14/ > > I'll even write you a HOWTO if you want. ;) > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Sent from my mobile device From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 9 22:43:07 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:43:07 +0800 Subject: Needed: Marketing representative for F12 readiness meeting In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911091429ideb645and78c2239bf5b2780@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AF22122.6060404@redhat.com> <4AF2E0CD.9050400@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911091429ideb645and78c2239bf5b2780@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF89AFB.6030900@redhat.com> O Sir Poelstra, Master of the Meetingness, when is the meeting and in what format? --Mel On 11/10/2009 06:29 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > Mel - is there any info on time / place for this? > > On 11/5/09, Mel Chua wrote: >>> Wed 11-Nov Wed 11-Nov F12 Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting >> >> Speaking of which: I'm going to be in Singapore during this meeting and >> will need a sub - would anyone like to represent Marketing for the >> readiness meeting next Wednesday? >> >> It basically involves standing up - on IRC or on the phone, not sure >> which medium we're using this time - and giving folks an update on >> Marketing deliverables status (like the quick one I just sent to this >> list) and whether there's anything blocking us from finishing on time >> for the release (there shouldn't be) and making sure we're not blocking >> anyone else (we shouldn't be). >> >> For the curious, you can see the logs from the last readiness meeting >> (for the Beta) here: >> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-14/ >> >> I'll even write you a HOWTO if you want. ;) >> >> --Mel >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 8 17:23:44 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:23:44 +0800 Subject: Colin's comments on the one-page release notes In-Reply-To: References: <4AF1C9BF.7030801@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF6FEA0.6090701@redhat.com> You can help in any way you want. :) Sorry, I should have been clearer - my forwarding of Colin's message to the list was a "hey look, an interesting idea - if someone wants to pick it up and run with it, please go ahead!" --Mel On 11/05/2009 07:00 AM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > Open to suggestions. Can we help in any way too? > > ~S > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Mel Chua > wrote: > > Via Paul and Mo, from Colin: > > 18:23:23 < stickster> mizmo: nice work on the one page > release notes; one thing we should do probably that would help you out > here is more clearly separate Features into those 3 categories > 18:23:23 < stickster> then you could link to the > Features/Desktop, Features/Administration, Features/Development > 18:23:23 < stickster> walters: oh i didnt do it, i just > added some images to it, i think the marketing team had a sprint on it > 18:23:23 < stickster> right now (like the package system), > apps, development, and core system are all mixed up > > Good stuff for anyone interested in working on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/One_page_release_notes - > incorporating these changes into the F12 version is a nice quick one > for someone looking for a 15min task to get started with. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 9 23:06:34 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:06:34 +0800 Subject: [was: Re: Potential press release for Red Hat to distribute] In-Reply-To: References: <4AF86BDD.8060201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF8A07A.3080309@redhat.com> New subject line so as to not hijack the thread's focus on the CC press release (please carry on with that!) > Of course -- and I never thought otherwise. Let's compare past Fedora > press releases with a (proposed) new method: ...which I'd like to turn into a HOWTO ("you have something you'd like to publicize in press-release-ish format, and have worked through Sean/Sakis's tutorial - now what?") at some point during the F13 cycle, so I set a ticket to remind us of such. ;) https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/84#preview This is something that might be a great thing to work together on - say, during an IRC sprint that's convenient for everyone who wants to come. It'd be either right before or right after the holidays; we'll figure this out after FUDCon, but wanted to toss out the ideaseed so folks know this is likely to come down our pipeline. --Mel From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Nov 10 05:13:33 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:13:33 -0800 Subject: Needed: Marketing representative for F12 readiness meeting In-Reply-To: <4AF89AFB.6030900@redhat.com> References: <4AF22122.6060404@redhat.com> <4AF2E0CD.9050400@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911091429ideb645and78c2239bf5b2780@mail.gmail.com> <4AF89AFB.6030900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF8F67D.5070006@redhat.com> Mel Chua said the following on 11/09/2009 02:43 PM Pacific Time: > O Sir Poelstra, Master of the Meetingness, when is the meeting and in > what format? > All the answers are here :) http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-November/000274.html From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Nov 10 05:21:01 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:21:01 -0800 Subject: Final Fedora 12 Schedule Tasks Message-ID: <4AF8F83D.8060708@redhat.com> Start End Name Wed 04-Nov Wed 11-Nov Brief news distribution network Wed 04-Nov Tue 15-Dec Monitor news sites to provide corrections & info Wed 11-Nov Wed 11-Nov F12 Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting Tue 17-Nov Tue 17-Nov GA Release From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 07:37:21 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:37:21 +1000 Subject: Fedora Classroom Marketing Class: Monitoring release PR In-Reply-To: <4AF883E3.1040304@redhat.com> References: <4AF883E3.1040304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091110073721.GC5774@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 05:04:35AM +0800, Mel Chua wrote: > So... our usual Marketing Meeting this week > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Meeting_details) > is a little special. > > It's not at 20:00 UTC - it's at 20:30 UTC. > It's not in #fedora-mktg - it's in #fedora-classroom. > > And holding the microphone will be the amazing Kara Schiltz, of Red > Hat PR (and Fedora Marketing!) fame - who will be teaching a Fedora > Classroom (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) class on how > she sets up to monitor PR from a release. How are we going to find > out what the papers are saying about Fedora 12? (And how do we react > to that information when it comes in?) > > Come learn, ask questions, and put together your own monitoring-fu > as we all hang out in #fedora-classroom - logs will be posted > afterwards with followup discussion on the Marketing list > (https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list). > > Many thanks to Kara for offering her knowledge and her time, and to > Kevin Fenzi for his constant support in getting Classroom stuff to > happen. See you there! Kara, I'm thrilled that you're setting this session up for Fedora Marketing! What a great way to interact with the community and grow our team for PR activities in Fedora. Looks like I'll miss the actual session but I look forward to reading the log -- feel free to send a link to the list (if Mel doesn't beat you to it). Paul From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 10 15:48:18 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:48:18 -0500 Subject: Potential press release for Red Hat to distribute In-Reply-To: References: <4AF86BDD.8060201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF98B42.4000408@redhat.com> Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Kara Schiltz wrote: > >> I think this is a good news item that we could make some noise with >> in the press. It is something that I'd be willing to put out through >> the Red Hat channels. However, it's important to note that this press >> release and any other future Fedora press releases distributed by Red >> Hat would be subject to review and approval. That said, there could >> be changes (some minor and others perhaps a little more heavy) to a >> press release drafted by the community and distributed via Red Hat >> channels. >> >> Red Hat always aims to stay true to the spirit of Fedora in the >> Fedora-related communications we distribute. But, as a >> publicly-traded company there are rules and regulations Red Hat must >> follow. All press releases must be reviewed by Red Hat's Legal team >> to ensure that we're adhering to SEC and company guidelines. We also >> try to follow AP style guidelines which could result in some >> formatting changes. > > Of course -- and I never thought otherwise. Let's compare past Fedora > press releases with a (proposed) new method: > > In the past, Paul Frields or I would draft something, show it to one > or two people, and then hand it off to you for revisions, legal > approval, etc. Then it gets published. The total number of press > pieces was pretty low, and we only really did this at release time. > > Now, we're trying to figure out a more community-friendly way of > writing up things that look and feel like press releases. > > We want to be able to give Red Hat first look at this stuff -- for you > to be able to say "I like this one, let me work on turning it into > something Red Hat can release" and then doing that, and for the other > stuff to be distributed via blogs, Fedora Insight, etc -- less formal > ways. > > That's all. I'm completely on-board with this approach. Just keep me engaged early in the process and I'm happy to gauge whether the news is something that might benefit from a harder push through the Red Hat press channels and distribution on the wire. > >> Let me know if you'd like to move forward in pushing out the Creative >> Commons press release via Red Hat press channels. I'm happy to help >> get things started! > > So for this particular Creative Commons one, the questions we have for > you are: > > (1) Given the other press releases Red Hat is putting out in the near > term, is this something you think is worthwhile for *that particular > channel*? Yep. > > (2) If so, then we fully expect that there will be some tweaks -- we > are just trying to put together a draft, and the community goal over > time is to get better and better such that the tweaks necessary are > less, making your job easier. I'll get started with the review process of the CC press release. Let me know if there are any further updates or if I can move forward with the current version of the draft. Thanks! Kara > > (3) If not, we'll figure out other channels of publicizing this news. > > Hope that's all a bit more clear. > > Thanks as always, > Max From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 10 21:36:36 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:36:36 +0800 Subject: Help wanted: F12 Social Media Czar Message-ID: <4AF9DCE4.6090907@redhat.com> Now seeking social media czars for the F12 cycle. Are you a Facebook fiend, a frequent Digger, a compulsive tweeter, etc? We're looking for you. Be our team's liason to social media sites you already frequent. Timescale: Starting now, ending 4 weeks from the date of this email (December 8, 2009 - incidentally, that's at the end of FUDCon). Responsibilities: 1. Watch this mailing list for articles/materials people are finding about Fedora 12 2. Promote those materials to the network(s) that you've chosen. 3. Let the mailing list know when you do that, so we can jump in and help digg/retweet etc. your post. 4. At the end of the 4 weeks, write a quick email to this mailing list about the activity you saw on the social network(s) you were czar of, and what you think would make this more effective for the next round. My guess is that it'll take an hour a week or less (which you're already spending on Facebook, etc. anyway ;) and then 5 minutes to write up the email at the end. How to sign up: Post to this thread to claim your social networking site. If someone has already claimed the one you want to do, shoot them an email and coordinate. --Mel From pcalarco at nd.edu Tue Nov 10 21:52:10 2009 From: pcalarco at nd.edu (Pascal Calarco) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:52:10 -0500 Subject: Help wanted: F12 Social Media Czar In-Reply-To: <4AF9DCE4.6090907@redhat.com> References: <4AF9DCE4.6090907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4AF9E08A.4060306@nd.edu> Hi Mel and all -- I am happy to help with one of LinkedIn or Facebook, am on both and an admin of the LinkedIn Fedora group, so happy to help. There are 1696 members of the LinkedIn group[1]and 1463 in the Fedora - Linux group[2] We could also perhaps start some appropriate discussion threads within the LinkedIn group if there is ready content, like reuse of some of the F12 feature focuses various folk have started doing. Posting one of these every second day or so now through sometime after launch might be interesting for folks. [1] http://www.linkedin.com/groups?about=&gid=49737 [2] http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?ref=sb#/group.php?gid=11454680248 Larry Cafiero is an admin of the Fedora group and Paul is an officer. Paul. Jon Stanley, myself, and Franesco Crippa are managers of the LinkedIn group. - pascal On 10/11/09 04:36 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Now seeking social media czars for the F12 cycle. Are you a Facebook > fiend, a frequent Digger, a compulsive tweeter, etc? We're looking for > you. Be our team's liason to social media sites you already frequent. > > Timescale: Starting now, ending 4 weeks from the date of this email > (December 8, 2009 - incidentally, that's at the end of FUDCon). > > Responsibilities: > 1. Watch this mailing list for articles/materials people are finding > about Fedora 12 > 2. Promote those materials to the network(s) that you've chosen. > 3. Let the mailing list know when you do that, so we can jump in and > help digg/retweet etc. your post. > 4. At the end of the 4 weeks, write a quick email to this mailing list > about the activity you saw on the social network(s) you were czar of, > and what you think would make this more effective for the next round. > > My guess is that it'll take an hour a week or less (which you're already > spending on Facebook, etc. anyway ;) and then 5 minutes to write up the > email at the end. > > How to sign up: > Post to this thread to claim your social networking site. If someone has > already claimed the one you want to do, shoot them an email and coordinate. > > --Mel > From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 21:53:45 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:53:45 -0700 Subject: Help wanted: F12 Social Media Czar In-Reply-To: <4AF9DCE4.6090907@redhat.com> References: <4AF9DCE4.6090907@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911101353x1b3eb44evbca07ef37e17ab71@mail.gmail.com> Is there any place where we have a master list of who and where we are (ie: robyn is X on facebook, Y on twitter, etc)? On 11/10/09, Mel Chua wrote: > Now seeking social media czars for the F12 cycle. Are you a Facebook > fiend, a frequent Digger, a compulsive tweeter, etc? We're looking for > you. Be our team's liason to social media sites you already frequent. > > Timescale: Starting now, ending 4 weeks from the date of this email > (December 8, 2009 - incidentally, that's at the end of FUDCon). > > Responsibilities: > 1. Watch this mailing list for articles/materials people are finding > about Fedora 12 > 2. Promote those materials to the network(s) that you've chosen. > 3. Let the mailing list know when you do that, so we can jump in and > help digg/retweet etc. your post. > 4. At the end of the 4 weeks, write a quick email to this mailing list > about the activity you saw on the social network(s) you were czar of, > and what you think would make this more effective for the next round. > > My guess is that it'll take an hour a week or less (which you're already > spending on Facebook, etc. anyway ;) and then 5 minutes to write up the > email at the end. > > How to sign up: > Post to this thread to claim your social networking site. If someone has > already claimed the one you want to do, shoot them an email and coordinate. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Sent from my mobile device From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 10 21:53:01 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:53:01 +0800 Subject: Meeting logs 2009-11-10 Message-ID: <4AF9E0BD.6000303@redhat.com> A huge thank-you to Kara for teaching us about PR in Fedora Classroom just now, and to Kevin for hosting us - and to everyone who attended! The raw log is http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-classroom/2009-11-10/fedora-classroom.2009-11-10-20.36.log.txt and Kevin will be updating the Fedora Classroom (thanks, Kevin!) --Mel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 11 22:21:12 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:51:12 +0530 Subject: Lowering Contribution Barriers in Open Source Message-ID: <4AFB38D8.4020905@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Interesting look at different projects including Fedora on how they invite the community to participate. http://aniszczyk.org/2009/11/11/lowering-contribution-barriers-in-open-source/ Mozilla has a very interesting idea on participation based on the time the potential contributor has which IMO is very well worth emulating. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 12 14:38:31 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:08:31 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 is almost awesome Message-ID: <4AFC1DE7.8090404@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://rubenerd.com/fedora-11-almost-awesome/ "Aside from the standby issue, so far so good. I?ve got the OpenSolaris Nimbus theme installed for a change (look at that, my ThinkPad looks like the computers at uni!) and am finding it to be a productive environment to work in. >From my experience I reckon Fedora and Slackware with the Slackbook are the the closest any Linux distribution has come to the FreeBSD Handbook. Fedora?s online documentation is excellent, and their wiki contains a ton of useful information." Rahul From sdaly.be at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 14:01:58 2009 From: sdaly.be at gmail.com (Sean DALY) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:01:58 +0100 Subject: Fedora Classroom Marketing Class: Monitoring release PR In-Reply-To: <20091110073721.GC5774@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4AF883E3.1040304@redhat.com> <20091110073721.GC5774@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <378b2b050911130601x14a9a3mb12537599881fdc@mail.gmail.com> Kara's input was spot-on! thanks Mel, I had mentioned how at Sugar Labs I use a very low-tech no-tool index: I mail a link to the marketing list with keywords, and search the archives to review a link. This method functions, but it is inefficient, especially for orienting newcomers. I saw the openSUSE wiki page today while monitoring their launch (we did appreciate the Sugar mention in their PR) and came across this page: http://en.opensuse.org/In_the_Press Nicely presented. Though, I'd probably feel uncomfortable seeing links to very negative articles... food for thought. thanks Sean (from SugarCamp Bolzano) On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 05:04:35AM +0800, Mel Chua wrote: >> So... our usual Marketing Meeting this week >> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Meeting_details) >> is a little special. >> >> It's not at 20:00 UTC - it's at 20:30 UTC. >> It's not in #fedora-mktg - it's in #fedora-classroom. >> >> And holding the microphone will be the amazing Kara Schiltz, of Red >> Hat PR (and Fedora Marketing!) fame - who will be teaching a Fedora >> Classroom (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom) class on how >> she sets up to monitor PR from a release. How are we going to find >> out what the papers are saying about Fedora 12? (And how do we react >> to that information when it comes in?) >> >> Come learn, ask questions, and put together your own monitoring-fu >> as we all hang out in #fedora-classroom - logs will be posted >> afterwards with followup discussion on the Marketing list >> (https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list). >> >> Many thanks to Kara for offering her knowledge and her time, and to >> Kevin Fenzi for his constant support in getting Classroom stuff to >> happen. See you there! > > Kara, > > I'm thrilled that you're setting this session up for Fedora Marketing! > What a great way to interact with the community and grow our team for > PR activities in Fedora. ?Looks like I'll miss the actual session but > I look forward to reading the log -- feel free to send a link to the > list (if Mel doesn't beat you to it). > > Paul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From kschiltz at redhat.com Fri Nov 13 20:35:17 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:35:17 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 Linux Tackles Virtualization Message-ID: <4AFDC305.3030905@redhat.com> Hello all, Here's the first of two stories on Fedora 12 from Sean Michael Kerner at InternetNews.com: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3848441/Fedora+12+Linux+Tackles+Virtualization.htm I'll forward the second article once it publishes next week. -Kara From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Fri Nov 13 23:41:23 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:41:23 -0500 Subject: F12 One-Page Release Notes PDF Message-ID: <1258155683.2724.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey! So, um... the PDF of the one-page release notes isn't one page. o_O There's way too much content. So there's one general page, then one page for desktop users, then one page for sysadmins and developers. Mel had the idea folks could print out the first page on the front of a sheet, and either the desktop page or the sysadmin/devel page on the other side, so it would be 1 page, 2-sides, and folks could pick up the sheet based on their interests. Anyway here is the PDF file with all 3 pages: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release% 20notes/f12/F12ReleaseNotes-All.pdf (Thank goodness Ryan Lerch introduced me to pdfmod, it made combining them into one file very easy) The individual PDF files and Inkscape SVG source are here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release%20notes/f12 (btw, I didn't use Scribus because the latest Scribus release, as I found and was also discovered by jimmac and andreasn of GNOME in IRC today, is a bit of a stinker :( ) ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Fri Nov 13 23:44:32 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:44:32 -0500 Subject: F12 One-Page Release Notes PDF In-Reply-To: <1258155683.2724.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1258155683.2724.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1258155872.2724.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 18:41 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release% > 20notes/f12/F12ReleaseNotes-All.pdf Oh! I forgot to mention it is designed for A4. So if you are using Letter-sized paper, make sure you tell the printer to center the document. Otherwise it'll print out all spaced out weird on the page. ~m From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 15 01:31:51 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:31:51 +0800 Subject: [in-the-news] Internet News article: Fedora 12 Linux Tackles Virtualization Message-ID: <4AFF5A07.8070705@redhat.com> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3848441 I thought this was both (1) an awesome interview with (2) some great responses by Rahul and Leif. --Mel PS: Trying out an [in-the-news] tag to call out Fedora media - I wonder if there's a good way to blog/stream/mailing-list it, as it seems like something that Fedora community members might be interested in watching for even if they don't follow Marketing Team stuff in general. From atmb4u at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 08:42:11 2009 From: atmb4u at gmail.com (Anoop Thomas Mathew) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:12:11 +0530 Subject: Self-Introduction: Anoop Thomas Mathew Message-ID: - Full legal name :* Anoop Thomas Mathew* - City, Country: Kerala,INDIA (UTC+5:30) - Profession or Student status: Final Year B.Tech Computer Science and Engineering. - Company, School, or other affiliation:College of Engineering Chengannur, affl. Cochin University of Science and Technology - Your goals in the Fedora Project: To be a part of fedora community and foster as a open source developer, speaker and supporter.*I want to market fedora through IEEE* - What do you want to talk about? : I am a good speaker, promoter and good at designing. - What would you like to see in Fedora?: *A perfect operating system* - Anything else you'd like to do?:: I want to market fedora through IEEE. Globally* i want to be the link between IEEE and Fedora*. I need a core connection in the Fedora project to have anything to be done with marketing Fedora. - Historical qualifications: I am IEEE technical coordinator of IEEE student branch. - What other projects or marketing efforts have you worked on in the past? (List what you think is relevant): I've marketed an event held in our college called SUMMIT '09, which featured an event from speaker from redhat Inc. - What level and type of marketing skills do you have?: To be frank, I'm new to software marketing, but I'm sure I can excel in this venture. - What other skills do you have that might be applicable?: Designer, Speaker, Passionate and a quick learner with warm regards, Anoop Thomas Mathew atm ___ College of Engineering Chengannur -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 16 19:10:12 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:10:12 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <1bde044515f7581a1af0c27659766e33@localhost.localdomain> Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 15:12:51 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:12:51 -0500 Subject: Tour wiki fix Message-ID: <20091117151251.GM20907@victoria.internal.frields.org> I redirected the [[Fedora 12 tour]] page to point to the [[Fedora 12 one page release notes]] page. This is a much better landing spot for people clicking on the main fp.o page and looking for highlights of releases. (The original redirect destination was the in-depth feature category, which is not as attractive or helpful IMHO.) Hope this works for everyone? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From gvarisco at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 15:47:28 2009 From: gvarisco at redhat.com (Gianluca Varisco) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:47:28 +0100 Subject: Tour wiki fix In-Reply-To: <20091117151251.GM20907@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091117151251.GM20907@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B02C590.5000002@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/17/2009 04:12 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I redirected the [[Fedora 12 tour]] page to point to the [[Fedora 12 > one page release notes]] page. This is a much better landing spot for > people clicking on the main fp.o page and looking for highlights of > releases. (The original redirect destination was the in-depth feature > category, which is not as attractive or helpful IMHO.) Hope this > works for everyone? > Well done, Paul! Definitely much better! Thank you. Gianluca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksCxZAACgkQK/GZLlzGxsgwcQCdHtiqD2S1Q4ebx5RNJlLo/Vd7 spIAoIE1CQ94XKHS8B80LDwZLlAWiZHz =vRyC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 16:32:19 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:32:19 -0500 Subject: [in-the-news] Top 10 reasons to try F12-Moblin Message-ID: <4B02D013.4090004@redhat.com> http://moblinzone.com/blog/775/10/63/Top_10_reasons_to_try_F12-Moblin There should also be another piece from Henry Kingman posting soon. -Kara From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 17:57:07 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:57:07 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 released Message-ID: <4B02E3F3.1070605@redhat.com> The H 11.17.09 Fedora 12 released The Fedora developers have released Fedora 12, a.k.a. Constantine . The release features a 2.6.31 Linux kernel and GNOME 2.28 or KDE 4.3 desktop. The Fedora free Linux distribution is sponsored by Red Hat . Full post: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-12-released-862054.html From tatica at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 17 18:30:36 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:00:36 -0430 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <20091109064250.GE4090@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257731728.2466.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20091109064250.GE4090@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <27a6293b0911171030wc66a034x45905cbf1a3b9518@mail.gmail.com> Hello all!! I made a relative webpage for LATAM community. Take a look and leave your comments :D http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Conoce_Fedora_12 2009/11/9 Paul W. Frields : > On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:55:28PM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 02:11 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: >> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes >> > > >> > > Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official >> > > features or not and thus would make the tour too long? >> > >> > > - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool >> > > to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive >> > > wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual >> > > notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a >> > > handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and >> > > gimp of course rock with a tablet >> > >> > So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none >> > of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are >> > installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? >> > >> > I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. >> >> I forgot to note I took a screenshot of the desktop and blinged it. Nicu >> noted the screenshot in the F12 www.fpo front page banner design is too >> plain, so I plan on replacing that one with the base (unblinged) >> screenshot from the blinged up screenshot I did for the release notes: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F12-relnotes-screenshot-main.png >> >> Note that in comparison to other distributions screenshots *ahem*, this >> screenshot shows non-proprietary / openly-licensed entertainment being >> enjoyed. :) It does not show proprietary / closed source / non-open >> content such as Twitter or Britney Spears or whatever. >> >> - free & open source identi.ca is shown in empathy >> - Jabber is used as the protocol in the sample cat >> - GNote (no mono) is shown as the note-taking app >> - Wikipedia is being browsed >> - Rhythmbox is playing Dan Masquelier's album 'Wake Up' which is a >> CC-licensed album. All the other artists shown in the shot have >> CC-licensed albums as well. >> - and of course the wallpaper and the background behind the wallpaper >> and the actual composition were produced using the free tools in Fedora >> itself (Gimp and Inkscape) - should go without saying but it's still >> important. > > I showed this to Spot, sitting next to me in Brisbane, and he agreed > it was superb. ?This document is really shaping up nicely! > > -- > Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ > ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Nov 17 18:46:48 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:46:48 +0100 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 released - the german one's Message-ID: <4B02EF98.4000704@gmx.de> Hy, Here are a List of some pressreleases I found so far (after only several hours here in Germany): The official Red hat Release Infos: * http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2009/fedora-12.html * http://www.pr-com.de/de/pressezentrum/presseinformationen/index.php?ID=09a6d422b2fc059af5367d13ac39e510 * http://www.pressebox.de/pressemeldungen/red-hat-gmbh/boxid-305064.html some News Agencys: * http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Die-Neuerungen-von-Fedora-12-859705.html * http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2009/14962.html * http://www.golem.de/0911/71243.html * http://derstandard.at/fs/1256745020790/Linux-Distribution-Fedora-12-ist-da * http://www.zdnet.de/news/wirtschaft_investition_software_fedora_12_ist_fertig_story-39001022-41522942-1.htm * http://www.linux-magazin.de/content/view/full/46329 Later I will "transfer" those into the wiki for our News-Archive. mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 18:48:25 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:48:25 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update Message-ID: <4B02EFF9.6080507@redhat.com> Ars Technica 11.17.09 Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update A new version of the Fedora Linux distribution was released today. Fedora 12, codenamed Constantine, is now available for download. By Ryan Paul Red Hat announced today the official release of Fedora 12, the latest version of the popular open source Linux distribution. This release brings some impressive new features and a lot of much-needed bugfixes. It's a strong update that puts the distro on the right track forward and addresses the serious installation problems that we encountered when we tested Fedora 11. Fedora 12, codenamed Constantine, brings improved power management, performance optimizations, new virtualization enhancements, and a lot of other great stuff. A lot of the improvements will boost Fedora's suitability for netbooks. A new Moblin spin is available that allows users to easily test Moblin's specialized user interface on top of Fedora 12. Full article: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/tip-of-the-hat-fedora-12-a-strong-update.ars From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 18:58:39 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:58:39 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 Takes Aim at Linux Networking Message-ID: <4B02F25F.7090305@redhat.com> InternetNews.com 11.17.09 Fedora 12 Takes Aim at Linux Networking New Red Hat community Linux release pushes the bleeding edge with a host of new features and improvements. By Sean Michael Kerner Fedora 12, codenamed "Constatine," made its debut this week, aimed at providing users with a long list of improvements for both servers, desktops and netbooks . While the latest installment of the Red Hat-sponsored community Linux distribution offers many new features, at the top of the list for users including Fedora's project leader, Paul Frields, are improved networking capabilities that raise the bar for mobile connectivity on Linux. Full article: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3848846/Fedora+12+Takes+Aim+at+Linux+Networking.htm From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 19:19:57 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:19:57 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Interview: Fedora Mini Maintainer Peter Robinson Message-ID: <4B02F75D.1050908@redhat.com> Moblin Zone 11.17.09 Interview: Fedora Mini maintainer Peter Robinson By now, you've probably heard that Fedora 12 came out this morning, with a "Moblin Desktop Environment" option. In this interview, Fedora Mini Maintainer Peter Robinson discusses F12's Moblin option today, and what lies ahead for Moblin technology within Fedora. Full post: http://moblinzone.com/top_stories/776/43/Interview_Fedora_Mini_maintainer_Peter_Robinson Also on Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/submission/1117430/Fedora-Mini-maintainer-on-todays-F12-release?art_pos=1 -- Kara Schiltz Corporate Communications Red Hat, Inc. office: 919.301.3002 cell: 919.924.8557 Looking to carve out IT costs? www.redhat.com/carveoutcosts/ From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 20:13:39 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:13:39 -0500 Subject: Digg it up! F12 release... Message-ID: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> http://digg.com/d31AI1X If you're watching this list, please take the time to Digg worthwhile articles on Fedora 12 release, such as the above submission, which links directly to our beautiful one-page (or so) ;-) release notes. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Nov 17 20:32:13 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:32:13 +0100 Subject: [in the news] a strong update Message-ID: <4B03084D.6060508@gmx.de> arstechnica 11.17.2009 Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update A new version of the Fedora Linux distribution was released today. Fedora 12, codenamed Constantine, is now available for download. Full article: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/tip-of-the-hat-fedora-12-a-strong-update.ars From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 20:32:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:32:46 -0600 Subject: [in the news] F12 release slashdotted Message-ID: <4B03086E.5090007@redhat.com> Thanks to adamw for submitting this to /.! http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/1810256/Fedora-12-Released (Read the comments, too!) --Mel From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Nov 17 20:29:41 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:29:41 +0100 Subject: [in the news] slashdot Linux: Fedora 12 Released Message-ID: <4B0307B5.7050606@gmx.de> slashdot.com 11.17.09 AdamWill writes: "The Fedora Project is pleased to announce the release of Fedora 12 today. With all the latest open source software and major improvements to graphics support, networking, virtualization and more, Fedora 12 is one of the most exciting releases so far. You can download it here. There's a one-page guide to the new release for those in a hurry. The full release announcement has details on the major features, and the release notes contain comprehensive information on changes in this new release. Known issues are documented on the common bugs page." Full article: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/1810256/Fedora-12-Released From bpepple at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 17 20:47:23 2009 From: bpepple at fedoraproject.org (Brian Pepple) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:47:23 -0500 Subject: Digg it up! F12 release... In-Reply-To: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1258490843.2178.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 15:13 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://digg.com/d31AI1X > > If you're watching this list, please take the time to Digg worthwhile > articles on Fedora 12 release, such as the above submission, which > links directly to our beautiful one-page (or so) ;-) release notes. Done. Later, /B -- Brian Pepple https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 20:51:58 2009 From: imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com (Imtiaz Rahi) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:51:58 +0700 Subject: Digg it up! F12 release... In-Reply-To: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://digg.com/d31AI1X > > If you're watching this list, please take the time to Digg worthwhile > articles on Fedora 12 release, such as the above submission, which > links directly to our beautiful one-page (or so) ;-) release notes. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > done +1 Cheers // Imtiaz Rahi Joan Crawford - "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I spend." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 19:30:30 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:30:30 -0600 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <20091109064250.GE4090@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257731728.2466.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20091109064250.GE4090@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B02F9D6.8000604@redhat.com> Now with links to the pdf versions, and SVG sources: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes. MOST GORGEOUS ONE-PAGER EVER. I'd like to add a "CC-BY-SA 3.0" logo-thingy to the bottom of each page; I'll try to take a pass at it (likely after our meeting today) unless someone would like to beat me to it (which probably means the layout will be better. ;) --Mel PS: I love the Spanish translation! In particular, the "translated" pictures and the translated banner at the top rock my world... is the source svg for the banner (either the translated version or the original one) available somewhere? It's a good piece for other translators to be able to remix. From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 21:12:03 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:12:03 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 released, brings multi-touch support, more Message-ID: <4B0311A3.4040106@redhat.com> TechSpot 11.17.09 Fedora 12 released, brings multi-touch support, more By Justin Mann A new version of the popular Linux desktop distro originally based off Red Hat is now available. Fedora 12, named Constantine, brings a host of new software and feature enhancements. Among the new additions include Empathy, an alternative to Pidgin and other clients for instant messaging , Bluetooth audio support, updated package management, more tablet support and a host of other additions. You can browse through a short list using the Fedora 12 release notes , or view a slightly more detailed release announcement here . http://www.techspot.com/news/37004-fedora-12-released-brings-multitouch-support-more.html From oliver at linux-kernel.at Tue Nov 17 21:12:21 2009 From: oliver at linux-kernel.at (Oliver Falk) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:12:21 +0100 Subject: Digg it up! F12 release... In-Reply-To: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B0311B5.90806@linux-kernel.at> Am 17.11.2009 21:13, schrieb Paul W. Frields: > http://digg.com/d31AI1X > > If you're watching this list, please take the time to Digg worthwhile > articles on Fedora 12 release, such as the above submission, which > links directly to our beautiful one-page (or so) ;-) release notes. Sir, yes, sir. Been there, done that :-) -of From ath.samaras at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 21:14:18 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:14:18 +0200 Subject: Tour wiki fix In-Reply-To: <4B02C590.5000002@redhat.com> References: <20091117151251.GM20907@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B02C590.5000002@redhat.com> Message-ID: The One_page is the new Fedora 12 tour page, and we aim to keep the same approach for the next release too :) ~Sakis On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Gianluca Varisco wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/17/2009 04:12 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I redirected the [[Fedora 12 tour]] page to point to the [[Fedora 12 > > one page release notes]] page. This is a much better landing spot for > > people clicking on the main fp.o page and looking for highlights of > > releases. (The original redirect destination was the in-depth feature > > category, which is not as attractive or helpful IMHO.) Hope this > > works for everyone? > > > > Well done, Paul! Definitely much better! > > Thank you. > > Gianluca > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAksCxZAACgkQK/GZLlzGxsgwcQCdHtiqD2S1Q4ebx5RNJlLo/Vd7 > spIAoIE1CQ94XKHS8B80LDwZLlAWiZHz > =vRyC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 21:14:57 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:14:57 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Mint 8 achieves RC1, and Fedora 12 goes final Message-ID: <4B031251.4020609@redhat.com> DesktopLinux.com -- eWeek 11.17.09 Mint 8 achieves RC1, and Fedora 12 goes final By Eric Brown The Fedora Project has released the final version 12 of its Red Hat-related Linux distribution. As we reported when we covered the _beta release_ of Fedora 12 ("Constantine") last month, the new release is notable for offering speed optimizations for i686 CPUs and the Intel Atom. The latest version also provides IPv6 support, plus enhanced Bluetooth, virtualization, multimedia, and power management features (see our previous story for more details). Full article: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2497424572.html From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Tue Nov 17 21:20:55 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:20:55 -0500 Subject: Fedora 12 tour In-Reply-To: <4B02F9D6.8000604@redhat.com> References: <20091103204322.GA20139@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1257573807.1955.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257664270.2466.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1257731728.2466.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20091109064250.GE4090@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B02F9D6.8000604@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1258492855.10450.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 13:30 -0600, Mel Chua wrote: > PS: I love the Spanish translation! In particular, the "translated" > pictures and the translated banner at the top rock my world... is the > source svg for the banner (either the translated version or the original > one) available somewhere? It's a good piece for other translators to be > able to remix. Augh, it looks like Mar?a had to reconstruct it! My bad. I've uploaded the source here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release% 20notes/f12/Fedora12-releasenotes-wikibanner.svg ~m From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 21:20:16 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:20:16 -0600 Subject: Meeting minutes, 2009-11-17 Message-ID: <4B031390.2090503@redhat.com> Logs at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#2009. Many thanks to everyone for all their hard work during the F12 cycle! From Paul: "Thank you to *everyone* on the Marketing team for all the hard work you did for this release. It's one of the best we've had, IMHO, from the standpoint of interested, energetic people helping with marketing content and tasks. The one-page release notes are stunning, the interviews were great, the interaction with other teams was phenomenal, and I want to say from the bottom of my heart, again -- thank you all! You help make Fedora the special community it is :-)" (This was immediately followed by much +1-ing, cheering, and celebrating by those present.) Next week's meeting will be a sprint to make Fedora case studies; Sakis is leading us and will let us know what we need to do to prepare. F12 press looks *awesome.* We will continue to monitor F12 press with the [in the news] tag on this mailing list; Robyn is also making a press page on the wiki for us to collect them in a somewhat easier to read format. Also, looking forward to F13: we've set December 8th's meeting as our Big "What Are We Doing?" planning session, which gives us 3 weeks to do all sorts of experimentation, brainstorming, talking on IRC, phone calls, in-person meetups (at FUDCon and beyond). We'll then get all the ideas we like written up - probably on the wiki - and do the final round of target-setting for F13 on 12/8. The intent is to make sure that everyone (regardless of whether they can make FUDCon or not, or make that IRC time or not, etc.) gets a (more) equal chance to put their cool "I'm going to do *this!*" Marketing plans forth. So keep those ideas coming! Probably the best way to do this is to open a new ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket - FAS login needed) and set the milestone to "future releases" but we'll do a nice sweep before 12/8 and catch everything we can. Minutes below. --- 1. Roll call (mchua, 20:04:29) 2. Agenda (mchua, 20:08:35) 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda (mchua, 20:08:39) 3. YAY F12 IS OUT (mchua, 20:09:37) 4. Status of F12 deliverables (mchua, 20:13:54) 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Talking_Points (mchua, 20:14:27) 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_release_slogan (mchua, 20:14:33) 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:F12_in-depth_features (mchua, 20:14:39) 4. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes (mchua, 20:15:38) 5. Monitoring F12 press: what have you seen so far? (mchua, 20:18:25) 1. ACTION: mchua take people up on their offer from last week to lead the F12 charge on social media sites (mchua, 20:23:02) 2. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list (mchua, 20:31:31) 3. For F13: synchronize the FPL's mailing list announcement with submission to major news sites (mchua, 20:35:18) 4. Nice to see the [in the news] material hitting the Marketing list to keep people up to date on press (mchua, 20:35:38) 5. ACTION: asamaras to start case studies page on wiki, ping Marketing list for additional case studies (mchua, 20:40:29) 6. Next week's meeting: CASE STUDY SPRINT! (mchua, 20:41:09) 7. asamaras is driving the case study sprint (mchua, 20:41:57) 6. # (mchua, 20:42:17) 7. Collecting ideas for F13 (mchua, 20:42:26) 8. open floor (mchua, 20:48:56) 1. ACTION: rbergeron starting a F12 press tracking/collecting/indexing wiki page (mchua, 20:53:10) 2. IDEA: press monitoring system that archives links in the wiki, and announces to the mktg list, and pings channel, when someone finds a new PR link on Fedora. (mchua, 20:55:49) Meeting ended at 21:03:06 UTC (full logs). Action items 1. mchua take people up on their offer from last week to lead the F12 charge on social media sites 2. asamaras to start case studies page on wiki, ping Marketing list for additional case studies 3. rbergeron starting a F12 press tracking/collecting/indexing wiki page From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 21:31:42 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:31:42 -0700 Subject: news / press release index Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911171331t4e9ecd9dt92f257feb148d152@mail.gmail.com> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Press_and_News_Index I just whipped this up to keep track of what's being posted on the mailing list. I'll go through add articles that were posted to the mailing list to this wiki page once or twice a day. (At some point, it'd be awesome to go through this list and track down author information like email / contact information, so we make sure to have them on a press contact list come this point or earlier in F13 cycle. We can probably put this on the braindump list.) And hopefully I'm not duplicating work being done elsewhere, since that's never fun. If I am, tell me! Cheers, Robyn From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 21:36:45 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:36:45 -0700 Subject: Wikipedia update Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911171336j640b52e1nc190307d0f403d80@mail.gmail.com> Does someone want to take the lead on this and update it? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system)#Releases -Robyn From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 21:38:10 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:38:10 -0700 Subject: [in the news] Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911171338x5e267004uff552e3649a19880@mail.gmail.com> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1059 Fedora 12 boasts enhanced performance, improved reporting, better graphics From imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 21:38:24 2009 From: imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com (Imtiaz Rahi) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:38:24 +0700 Subject: [in the news] Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update In-Reply-To: <4B02EFF9.6080507@redhat.com> References: <4B02EFF9.6080507@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Kara Schiltz wrote: > Ars Technica > 11.17.09 > > Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update > A new version of the Fedora Linux distribution was released today. Fedora > 12, codenamed Constantine, is now available for download. > By Ryan Paul > > Red Hat announced today the official release of Fedora 12, the latest > version of the popular open source Linux distribution. This release brings > some impressive new features and a lot of much-needed bugfixes. It's a > strong update that puts the distro on the right track forward and addresses > the serious installation problems that we encountered when we tested Fedora > 11. > > Fedora 12, codenamed Constantine, brings improved power management, > performance optimizations, new virtualization enhancements, and a lot of > other great stuff. A lot of the improvements will boost Fedora's suitability > for netbooks. A new Moblin spin is available that allows users to easily > test Moblin's specialized user interface on top of Fedora 12. > > Full article: > > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/tip-of-the-hat-fedora-12-a-strong-update.ars > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > should not they write "Fedora project announced" rather than "Red Hat announced" ??? !!! ars should not make such mistake. We should contact them and request amendment. cheers // Imtiaz Rahi Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 21:42:42 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:42:42 -0700 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 Officially Released Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911171342h575625f4k34a4fe128169192b@mail.gmail.com> 11/17/09 Softpedia Fedora 12 Officially Released http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-12-Officially-Released-127223.shtml From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 21:48:53 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:48:53 -0700 Subject: [in the news] Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update In-Reply-To: References: <4B02EFF9.6080507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911171348v5eb87b15j81f4b90106c865e5@mail.gmail.com> I'd imagine they probably got the word from the Red Hat press release off the newswire... so technically, it's not incorrect. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Imtiaz Rahi wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Kara Schiltz wrote: >> >> Ars Technica >> 11.17.09 >> >> Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update >> A new version of the Fedora Linux distribution was released today. ?Fedora >> 12, codenamed Constantine, is now available for download. >> By Ryan Paul >> >> Red Hat announced today the official release of Fedora 12, the latest >> version of the popular open source Linux distribution. This release brings >> some impressive new features and a lot of much-needed bugfixes. It's a >> strong update that puts the distro on the right track forward and addresses >> the serious installation problems that we encountered when we tested Fedora >> 11. >> >> Fedora 12, codenamed Constantine, brings improved power management, >> performance optimizations, new virtualization enhancements, and a lot of >> other great stuff. A lot of the improvements will boost Fedora's suitability >> for netbooks. A new Moblin spin is available that allows users to easily >> test Moblin's specialized user interface on top of Fedora 12. >> >> Full article: >> >> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/tip-of-the-hat-fedora-12-a-strong-update.ars >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > should not they write "Fedora project announced" rather than "Red Hat > announced" ??? !!! > ars should not make such mistake. We should contact them and request > amendment. > cheers // Imtiaz Rahi > Charles de Gaulle??- "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself > loving dogs." > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From kschiltz at redhat.com Tue Nov 17 21:53:59 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:53:59 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Building On-Ramps on the Fedora 12 Highway Message-ID: <4B031B77.20204@redhat.com> Datamation 11.17.09 Building On-Ramps on the Fedora 12 Highway By Bruce Byfield "It's all about building on-ramps," says Paul W. Frields, the Fedora Project Leader. ?As a community, we tend to be oriented towards getting people involved in the open source process, rather than towards getting everyone to switch from whatever they're using now." It's an orientation that Frields sees as central to the GNU/Linux distribution's rapid growth over the last five years, as well as the focus in the new Fedora 12 release. Full article: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3848891/Building-On-Ramps-on-the-Fedora-12-Highway.htm From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Tue Nov 17 22:03:23 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:03:23 +0100 Subject: [in the news] Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update In-Reply-To: References: <4B02EFF9.6080507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B031DAB.8090207@gmx.de> Hy, I think that was based on the RH Announcement: http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2009/fedora-12.html mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0 Imtiaz Rahi schrieb: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Kara Schiltz > wrote: > > Ars Technica > 11.17.09 > > Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update > A new version of the Fedora Linux distribution was released today. > Fedora 12, codenamed Constantine, is now available for download. > By Ryan Paul > > Red Hat announced today the official release of Fedora 12, the > latest version of the popular open source Linux distribution. This > release brings some impressive new features and a lot of > much-needed bugfixes. It's a strong update that puts the distro on > the right track forward and addresses the serious installation > problems that we encountered when we tested Fedora 11. > > Fedora 12, codenamed Constantine, brings improved power > management, performance optimizations, new virtualization > enhancements, and a lot of other great stuff. A lot of the > improvements will boost Fedora's suitability for netbooks. A new > Moblin spin is available that allows users to easily test Moblin's > specialized user interface on top of Fedora 12. > > Full article: > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/tip-of-the-hat-fedora-12-a-strong-update.ars > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > should not they write "Fedora project announced" rather than "Red Hat > announced" ??? !!! > ars should not make such mistake. We should contact them and request > amendment. > > cheers // Imtiaz Rahi > Charles de Gaulle > - > "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Full article: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/17/fedora_12_launch/ From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 07:58:35 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:28:35 +0530 Subject: Digg it up! F12 release... In-Reply-To: <4B0311B5.90806@linux-kernel.at> References: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B0311B5.90806@linux-kernel.at> Message-ID: <1258531115.2360.33.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:12 +0100, Oliver Falk wrote: > Am 17.11.2009 21:13, schrieb Paul W. Frields: > > http://digg.com/d31AI1X > > > > If you're watching this list, please take the time to Digg worthwhile > > articles on Fedora 12 release, such as the above submission, which > > links directly to our beautiful one-page (or so) ;-) release notes. > > Sir, yes, sir. Been there, done that :-) > > -of > More to do http://digg.com/search?s=fedora+12 ^_^ regards, Ankur From oliver at linux-kernel.at Wed Nov 18 08:00:24 2009 From: oliver at linux-kernel.at (Oliver Falk) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:00:24 +0100 Subject: Digg it up! F12 release... In-Reply-To: <1258531115.2360.33.camel@localhost> References: <20091117201339.GK25154@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B0311B5.90806@linux-kernel.at> <1258531115.2360.33.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4B03A998.4090807@linux-kernel.at> On 11/18/2009 08:58 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 22:12 +0100, Oliver Falk wrote: >> Am 17.11.2009 21:13, schrieb Paul W. Frields: >>> http://digg.com/d31AI1X >>> >>> If you're watching this list, please take the time to Digg worthwhile >>> articles on Fedora 12 release, such as the above submission, which >>> links directly to our beautiful one-page (or so) ;-) release notes. >> >> Sir, yes, sir. Been there, done that :-) >> >> -of >> > > More to do > > http://digg.com/search?s=fedora+12 > > ^_^ Oh well... Done a lot... Fine now? :-) -of From giallu at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 14:04:41 2009 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:04:41 +0100 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 'Constantine' launches with enhanced video codec and power management Message-ID: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/18/fedora-12-constantine-launches-with-enhanced-video-codec-and-p/ 'Continuing in the time-honored tradition set by the likes of Fedora 10 and Fedora 11, Fedora 12 (codenamed "Constantine"). With this release comes improvements in the realms of webcam support, video codec, audio, security and power management, as well as "bluetooth on demand" and some virtualization enhancements. The only thing absent for the devout Linux fan? A fun alliteration like Karmic Koala. Missed opportunity, if you ask us.' -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Nov 18 14:27:33 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:27:33 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 released, brings multi-touch support, more Message-ID: <4B040455.9080904@redhat.com> TechSpot 11.17.09 Fedora 12 released, brings multi-touch support, more By Justin Mann A new version of the popular Linux desktop distro originally based off Red Hat is now available. Fedora 12, named Constantine, brings a host of new software and feature enhancements. Among the new additions include Empathy, an alternative to Pidgin and other clients for instant messaging , Bluetooth audio support, updated package management, more tablet support and a host of other additions. You can browse through a short list using the Fedora 12 release notes , or view a slightly more detailed release announcement here . http://www.techspot.com/news/37004-fedora-12-released-brings-multitouch-support-more.html From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Nov 18 14:29:31 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:29:31 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 is released Message-ID: <4B0404CB.6020203@redhat.com> The Inquirer 11.18.09 Fedora 12 is released http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1562458/fedora-released From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Nov 18 14:35:58 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:35:58 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora Linux 12 arrives, ups multimedia support Message-ID: <4B04064E.4030201@redhat.com> TechWorld 11.18.09 Fedora Linux 12 arrives, ups multimedia support By Rodney Gedda Fedora, the Linux-based operating system backed by Red Hat , has released version 12 with a view to improving the multimedia and graphics experience on the desktop. http://www.techworld.com.au/article/326717/fedora_linux_12_arrives_ups_multimedia_support From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Nov 18 14:40:32 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:40:32 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 'Constantine' has been released Message-ID: <4B040760.4010206@redhat.com> Examiner.com 11.17.09 Fedora 12 'Constantine' has been released By Rynard Moore The release of Fedora 12 will mark the fourth major operating system update this fall. Codenamed 'Constantine' and like the three previous OS releases, Windows 7, Ubuntu 9.10 openSUSE 11.2, the Linux based Fedora 12 comes packed with a variety of improvements and new features. http://www.examiner.com/x-27850-Virginia-Beach-Web-20-Examiner~y2009m11d17-Fedora-12-Constantine--has-been-released From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 16:41:38 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:41:38 -0700 Subject: news / press release index In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911171331t4e9ecd9dt92f257feb148d152@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90911171331t4e9ecd9dt92f257feb148d152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911180841k3f591919g37e370a0ddfd854f@mail.gmail.com> So, apparently, I missed the brain boat yesterday... there is an existing archive at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_press_archive, although nobody is adding to it currently... but it is linked to the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive wiki page. Should I merge? Thoughts? -robyn On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Press_and_News_Index > > I just whipped this up to keep track of what's being posted on the > mailing list. > > I'll go through add articles that were posted to the mailing list to > this wiki page once or twice a day. ?(At some point, it'd be awesome > to go through this list and track down author information like email / > contact information, so we make sure to have them on a press contact > list come this point or earlier in F13 cycle. ?We can probably put > this on the braindump list.) > > And hopefully I'm not duplicating work being done elsewhere, since > that's never fun. If I am, tell me! > > Cheers, > > Robyn > From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 19:02:23 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:02:23 -0500 Subject: news / press release index In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911180841k3f591919g37e370a0ddfd854f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90911171331t4e9ecd9dt92f257feb148d152@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90911180841k3f591919g37e370a0ddfd854f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091118190223.GU3052@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:41:38AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > So, apparently, I missed the brain boat yesterday... there is an > existing archive at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_press_archive, although nobody > is adding to it currently... but it is linked to the > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive wiki page. > > Should I merge? Thoughts? I'd merge, and leave a redirect at the new page you made pointing to the F12 merged area. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Nov 18 19:07:41 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:07:41 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 tweaks virtualisation, video Message-ID: <4B0445FD.8030809@redhat.com> IT Pro 11.18.09 Fedora 12 tweaks virtualisation, video By Nicole Kobie "Just six months after Fedora 11 arrived , this latest iteration of the Linux-based system includes Ogg Theora video, the IM client Empathy, tweaks to virtualisation, and an upgrade to NetworkManager." http://www.itpro.co.uk/617824/fedora-12-tweaks-virtualisation-video From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Nov 18 19:10:54 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:10:54 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Major improvements with Fedora 12 Message-ID: <4B0446BE.6080306@redhat.com> ghacks.net 11.18.09 Major improvements with Fedora 12 By Jack Whallen n the wake of Ubuntu?s 9.10 release, many distributions were forgotten. But one distribution, in particular, keeps getting better and better under the radar. That distribution? Fedora. Just this week Fedora 12 was released, brining some serious improvements not only to the cutting edge distribution, but to Linux in general. http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/18/major-improvements-with-fedora-12/ From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 18 21:09:58 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:39:58 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Tip of the hat: Fedora 12 a strong update In-Reply-To: <4B031DAB.8090207@gmx.de> References: <4B02EFF9.6080507@redhat.com> <4B031DAB.8090207@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4B0462A6.9090501@fedoraproject.org> On 11/18/2009 03:33 AM, wonderer wrote: > Hy, > > I think that was based on the RH Announcement: > http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2009/fedora-12.html The announcement doesn't say Red Hat releases Fedora. It says Fedora Project releases Fedora. We should send corrections. Rahul From mel at redhat.com Thu Nov 19 00:07:02 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:07:02 -0600 Subject: news / press release index In-Reply-To: <20091118190223.GU3052@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <5d4d90c90911171331t4e9ecd9dt92f257feb148d152@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90911180841k3f591919g37e370a0ddfd854f@mail.gmail.com> <20091118190223.GU3052@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <4B048C26.90501@redhat.com> On 11/18/2009 01:02 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:41:38AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> So, apparently, I missed the brain boat yesterday... there is an >> existing archive at >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_press_archive, although nobody >> is adding to it currently... but it is linked to the >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive wiki page. >> >> Should I merge? Thoughts? > > I'd merge, and leave a redirect at the new page you made pointing to > the F12 merged area. > I'm working on this now, will update list when done. --Mel From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 00:11:44 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:11:44 -0700 Subject: news / press release index In-Reply-To: <4B048C26.90501@redhat.com> References: <5d4d90c90911171331t4e9ecd9dt92f257feb148d152@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90911180841k3f591919g37e370a0ddfd854f@mail.gmail.com> <20091118190223.GU3052@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B048C26.90501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911181611s7a2135f8p4d4f5ed5b9371bab@mail.gmail.com> oooh, thanks :) I'll update with the news articles posted to the list today after 11ish-my-time when you're done. -robyn On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > On 11/18/2009 01:02 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:41:38AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >>> >>> So, apparently, I missed the brain boat yesterday... there is an >>> existing archive at >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_press_archive, although nobody >>> is adding to it currently... but it is linked to the >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive wiki page. >>> >>> Should I merge? Thoughts? >> >> I'd merge, and leave a redirect at the new page you made pointing to >> the F12 merged area. >> > > I'm working on this now, will update list when done. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From mel at redhat.com Thu Nov 19 03:49:20 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:49:20 -0600 Subject: news / press release index In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911181611s7a2135f8p4d4f5ed5b9371bab@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d4d90c90911171331t4e9ecd9dt92f257feb148d152@mail.gmail.com> <5d4d90c90911180841k3f591919g37e370a0ddfd854f@mail.gmail.com> <20091118190223.GU3052@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B048C26.90501@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911181611s7a2135f8p4d4f5ed5b9371bab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B04C040.9060202@redhat.com> On 11/18/2009 06:11 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > oooh, thanks :) I'll update with the news articles posted to the list > today after 11ish-my-time when you're done. Done! https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=F12_Press_and_News_Index now redirects to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_press_archive. ...which uses Robyn's gorgeously readable table format (now sortable thanks to the magic of javascript) and includes the French articles on the F12 alpha that Steven originally put on the page (thank you, Steven!) Let 'er rip. --Mel PS: Every time I merge a couple pages or do something of the sort, something in the back of my mind goes: "We can rebuild it. We have the technology. We can make it better than it was before." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Six_Million_Dollar_Man) It makes mundane details like transcribing stuff into wikitable syntax more exciting. ;) From rajesh672 at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 06:58:40 2009 From: rajesh672 at gmail.com (Rajesh Ranjan) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:28:40 +0530 Subject: Fedora Maithili (mai-IN) News in Outlook magazine Message-ID: <5a62cd230911182258m437a1921o3eb95480f84a3427@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Hindi Outlook has published a news on the release of Fedora with Maithili language support. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QxCnGsOcsrM/SvuXMdn21CI/AAAAAAAAAeE/tLRGTlTFpmQ/s1600-h/Outlook+Maithili.jpg Regards, Rajesh Ranjan www.kramashah.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Full article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_review/ From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 01:54:44 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:24:44 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses Message-ID: "Fedora users are revolting against a change introduced in the latest version of the operating system that allows the installation of thousands of software titles without an administrative password. Critics say the move diminishes the security of machines running the open-source OS by giving unprivileged users what amounts to administrative control. That could allow lower-level employees to install software that's not been approved by administrators, or worse, to gain root access by installing an application with a known security vulnerability and then intentionally exploiting it." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_root_imbroglio/ -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From acaleechurn at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 20 04:42:25 2009 From: acaleechurn at fedoraproject.org (Amit Caleechurn) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:42:25 +0400 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now that an update has been announced for packagekit, will this update be applied to official ISOs or will users be expected to apply the update themselves or disable this behavior if they don't have the machine connected to the net? Regards, Amit On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:54 AM, susmit shannigrahi < thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com> wrote: > "Fedora users are revolting against a change introduced in the latest > version of the operating system that allows the installation of > thousands of software titles without an administrative password. > > Critics say the move diminishes the security of machines running the > open-source OS by giving unprivileged users what amounts to > administrative control. That could allow lower-level employees to > install software that's not been approved by administrators, or worse, > to gain root access by installing an application with a known security > vulnerability and then intentionally exploiting it." > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_root_imbroglio/ > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit > ============================================= > Sent from Calcutta, WB, India > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 04:43:40 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:43:40 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091120044340.GS29686@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 07:24:44AM +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > "Fedora users are revolting against a change introduced in the latest > version of the operating system that allows the installation of > thousands of software titles without an administrative password. > > Critics say the move diminishes the security of machines running the > open-source OS by giving unprivileged users what amounts to > administrative control. That could allow lower-level employees to > install software that's not been approved by administrators, or worse, > to gain root access by installing an application with a known security > vulnerability and then intentionally exploiting it." > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_root_imbroglio/ There's already an update in progress: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-November/msg00012.html -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 20 04:40:30 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:10:30 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B061DBE.6040008@fedoraproject.org> On 11/20/2009 10:12 AM, Amit Caleechurn wrote: > Now that an update has been announced for packagekit, will this update > be applied to official ISOs or will users be expected to apply the > update themselves or disable this behavior if they don't have the > machine connected to the net? An update will be issued. No plans to roll out new ISO images. If you are not connected to the net, you don't have to worry about issue that much, anyway. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 04:45:43 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:45:43 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091120044543.GT29686@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 08:42:25AM +0400, Amit Caleechurn wrote: > Now that an update has been announced for packagekit, will this update be > applied to official ISOs or will users be expected to apply the update > themselves or disable this behavior if they don't have the machine > connected to the net? There is no way to issue new official ISOs that does not create extreme confusion and problems for many users as well. Users will need to apply the update themselves, or use the documentation that's been provided in the updated Release Notes to get the alternate behavior they want. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 05:04:14 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:34:14 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: <20091120044340.GS29686@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091120044340.GS29686@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1258693454.9325.13.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 23:43 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 07:24:44AM +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > "Fedora users are revolting against a change introduced in the latest > > version of the operating system that allows the installation of > > thousands of software titles without an administrative password. > > > > Critics say the move diminishes the security of machines running the > > open-source OS by giving unprivileged users what amounts to > > administrative control. That could allow lower-level employees to > > install software that's not been approved by administrators, or worse, > > to gain root access by installing an application with a known security > > vulnerability and then intentionally exploiting it." > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_root_imbroglio/ > > There's already an update in progress: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-November/msg00012.html > hey, I think the update in progress needs to be ..uhm.. "propagated" more. Not a lot of folks (I also mean users who only heard of the drama via dents etc and nothing more) are aware of it. My bit: http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/fedora-packagekit-change/ http://digg.com/d31AYzF regards, Ankur From mel at redhat.com Fri Nov 20 06:34:20 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:34:20 -0600 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: <1258693454.9325.13.camel@localhost> References: <20091120044340.GS29686@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1258693454.9325.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4B06386C.4010205@redhat.com> > I think the update in progress needs to be ..uhm.. "propagated" more. > Not a lot of folks (I also mean users who only heard of the drama via > dents etc and nothing more) are aware of it. +1 - thanks for getting this started, Ankur. Things are moving fast around here, and anything we can do to help with transparency outreach around the situation is a Good Thing. I'll post some resources in just a moment (Paul's announcement - which he linked to in this thread - is one of them, and where I'd personally start pointing people and articles to), with the caveat that this situation *is* still evolving rapidly. Give me a moment and I'll round up some links... I'm also hoping folks with more PR experience can chime in here with thoughts/advice/tips/strategies/examples of similar issues being handled well in the past. --Mel From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 08:04:59 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:34:59 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_root_imbroglio/ The site has posted this update at the top of the article. "Updated: This story was updated about 11 hours after it was published to reflect that Fedora developers have reversed course. Operating system users once again will be required to enter a root password before installing software packages." -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From mel at redhat.com Fri Nov 20 08:53:00 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:53:00 -0600 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B0658EC.7050800@redhat.com> On 11/20/2009 02:04 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_root_imbroglio/ > > The site has posted this update at the top of the article. > > > "Updated: This story was updated about 11 hours after it was published > to reflect that Fedora developers have reversed course. Operating > system users once again will be required to enter a root password > before installing software packages." Thanks for the heads-up, Susmit! Richard33, adamw, and MacroRodent rock. Sharp eyes, calm words, fast action. Actually, I think I'll post a roundup of examples of good responses that I've seen, and the resources I've seen those people use, so that it's hopefully easier for the rest of us to Go And Do Likewise. I believe a "how to respond to negative press" HOWTO was discussed at one point - perhaps this would be a good thing to spend one of our sprint sessions on after this settles down, as a way to reflect on how we did this time and make sure future generations have this history to learn from, too. --Mel "whoa, I'm slow at writing emails tonight" Chua From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 09:47:23 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:17:23 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 to remove unprivileged package installation *and* Saving the "Best" for Last Message-ID: http://lwn.net/Articles/362986/ repeats Stickster's announcement. and a good one is here: "It's been quite a wave of new Linux distributions over the past month or so, but with the release of Fedora 12 (Constantine) this week, we have finally made it through. I have intentionally chosen what is likely to be a controversial title this time, but the basis for my choice is rather simple. Fedora 12 is the only one of this series of releases which has loaded successfully on absolutely every computer I own." http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014494o-2000498448b,00.htm -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 20 09:44:34 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:14:34 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Saving the "Best" for Last - Fedora 12 (Constantine) Message-ID: <4B066502.80800@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014494o-2000498448b,00.htm "So rather than waste my time and yours on "yet another Fedora 12 review", I'll simply say that if you want good, authoritative information, I would recommend the Fedora Project Documentation, and if you are looking for an overview of the highlights of the new release, complete with pictures, have a look at the excellent Fedora 12 One Page Release Notes"." "So, of the four "major" distributions over the past month (Ubuntu 9.10, Mandriva 2010, openSuSE 11.2 and Fedora 12), the only one that didn't crash, hang or otherwise misbehave on at least one of my laptop/netbook/nettop systems was Fedora." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 20 09:46:58 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:16:58 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Fedora, Still Pushing The Envelope Message-ID: <4B066592.7070101@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7618/1.html "Leonidas was the most ambitious release ever and this new release of Fedora 12 builds upon its solid base. Constantine provides an even more polished user experience, while at the same time introducing a copious amount of new features" "Fedora 12 ?Constantine? continues the tradition of pushing the envelope of free software and could just be, the very best Linux distribution of 2009." Rahul From mel at redhat.com Fri Nov 20 10:09:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:09:17 -0600 Subject: Examples of good responses to the PackageKit issue Message-ID: <4B066ACD.30203@redhat.com> Here we go. As promised earlier, I wanted to point out some examples of what I thought were great responses to press about the PackageKit issue, and the resources those responses used, for folks who want to help us go out and do likewise. In general, the most helpful responses seem to have a section that goes something like: "We're working on changing this; see $location_of_discussion (and optionally, $list_of_resources_countering_specific_points). It would be great if you could update the story to reflect this. Thank you." (Any tips from folks with dealing-with-press experience?) This topic is coming up in the FeSCo meeting tomorrow (Friday, 17:00 UTC, #fedora-meeting), so it's still very much a story in progress. == Examples == Susmit pointed out the responses - and ensuing article edit - on http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_root_imbroglio/; I thought Adam's comment at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/19/fedora_12_root_imbroglio/comments/#c_629905 was particularly nice. The LWN article at http://lwn.net/Articles/362592/ posted a correction, http://lwn.net/Articles/362986/, immediately after Karsten's reply at the end, http://lwn.net/Articles/362996/, which is a nice short call-out. The 3rd paragraph of Mike's response to the correction, http://lwn.net/Articles/362995/, thanks people for their constructive criticism. (We should do more of that.) Any other good examples of responses-to-press that people want to call out here? == Resources == * The official Fedora response announcement (from Paul): https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-November/msg00012.html * An explanation of the background behind the change, by Owen Taylor: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-November/msg01445.html * For users of Fedora 12 who would like to change PackageKit policy before the fix is pushed, see http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f12/en-US/html/sect-Release_Notes-Security.html. == For those who want to learn more == The FeSCo (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCO - Fedora Engineering Steering Committee) agenda ticket for tomorrow's meeting is https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/277: it's at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting. The bugzilla bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047 Note: The full conversation thread there is fascinating but very long - if you're short on time, read a few comments and think about which ones (in your opinion) move us forward, and what comments (and responses) we want to emulate when we go out and comment on press articles. To point out a semi-random selection (I scrolled down and poked a few that caught my eye): the revision of release notes starting in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047#c17 (and how they thread calmly through the rest of the discussion), the comments called out in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047#c99, and the response to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047#c236 (both in bugzilla and on the mailing list linked to - it's Owen's post). Transparency >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt. --Mel From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 14:59:13 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:59:13 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Users howl as Fedora 12 gives root to unwashed masses In-Reply-To: <4B06386C.4010205@redhat.com> References: <20091120044340.GS29686@victoria.internal.frields.org> <1258693454.9325.13.camel@localhost> <4B06386C.4010205@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091120145913.GJ4905@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:34:20AM -0600, Mel Chua wrote: > >I think the update in progress needs to be ..uhm.. "propagated" more. > >Not a lot of folks (I also mean users who only heard of the drama via > >dents etc and nothing more) are aware of it. > > +1 - thanks for getting this started, Ankur. Things are moving fast > around here, and anything we can do to help with transparency > outreach around the situation is a Good Thing. I'll post some > resources in just a moment (Paul's announcement - which he linked to > in this thread - is one of them, and where I'd personally start > pointing people and articles to), with the caveat that this > situation *is* still evolving rapidly. > > Give me a moment and I'll round up some links... I'm also hoping > folks with more PR experience can chime in here with > thoughts/advice/tips/strategies/examples of similar issues being > handled well in the past. I also posted updates to my Twitter and identi.ca feeds this morning, with hashtagging that will help them get carried. RTs welcome. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From kschiltz at redhat.com Fri Nov 20 17:36:06 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:36:06 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 updates package installation policy Message-ID: <4B06D386.30505@redhat.com> InternetNews.com 11.20.09 Fedora 12 updates package installation policy By Sean Michael Kerner [clip] "In any event, Fedora 12 is now going back to its historical behavior, so no harm done. Fedora listens to its community and it responds quickly. Unlike a proprietary software vendor where you'd wait weeks for such a patch, Fedora users get their changes extremely rapidly." http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/11/fedora-12-updates-package-inst.html From mel at redhat.com Fri Nov 20 18:39:00 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:39:00 -0600 Subject: User Profiles In-Reply-To: <1258664632.3715.99.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4AF9F9F8.5040400@redhat.com> <1258661187.3715.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1258664632.3715.99.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4B06E244.6040403@redhat.com> Mo Duffy is working on user research for Fedora, which has a lot of potential overlap (and therefore synergy - yay synergy!) with our marketing research efforts. The f-a-b thread starting on https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-November/msg00026.html is well worth reading; it's 7 messages long. As part of that, we'll be making personas - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_(marketing) - which should help our marketing work a *lot*. From Mo's email: > - Personas will help us determine what tasks our target audience wants > to accomplish with Fedora. This will help us figure out good default > package selections for Fedora, and also to figure out, for a given task, > which application is best suited to get the job done. > > - Personas will help us determine the timbre of our messaging in both > marketing materials and our website in order to attract the very target > audience we are hoping to gain. If this is something that interests you, check out https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan#Stakeholders and note that our team is listed. ;) Our first job seems to be answering these questions: * How well do you think Fedora accomplishes its stated goals in light of your role in the project? * How is Fedora not meeting those goals? * What questions do you have about Fedora's target audience that you'd like to see answers so that your team can help get Fedora closer to its goals? So... throwing this up as a discussion thread - and would anyone like to pick this up (helping out Mo with the user research, in part as a Marketing liason) as a project, or know any marketers/designers (perhaps students in one of those fields?) who'd be keen on hopping in? --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Nov 21 10:36:13 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:36:13 -0600 Subject: User Profiles In-Reply-To: <4B06E244.6040403@redhat.com> References: <4AF9F9F8.5040400@redhat.com> <1258661187.3715.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1258664632.3715.99.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B06E244.6040403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B07C29D.1000500@redhat.com> On 11/20/2009 12:39 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > Mo Duffy is working on user research for Fedora, which has a lot of > potential overlap (and therefore synergy - yay synergy!) with our > marketing research efforts. Update: the Design Team is having a sprint this coming Tuesday to work on user research - see http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/want-to-learn-design-skills-want-to-help-fedora-fedora-interaction-design-hackfest-tuesday-24-nov/ for details. By sheer coincidence, our current plan for next week's meeting time is that Sakis is leading us on sprinting on user stories - Sakis, how can we use this to our benefit (and what are we doing / what should we do to prep for Tuesday)? Mo, do you have any thoughts/requests on whether (and if so, how) we can join forces? --Mel From gps at signbit.org Sun Nov 22 09:24:14 2009 From: gps at signbit.org (Gregory Sieranski) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:24:14 -0600 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <6283a3900911220124r716b582t88a82b799e52299a@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am a Programmer Analyst who works for a large fortune 500 company. 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Welcome on board, Gregory - it's great to have you here. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 22 09:41:57 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:41:57 -0600 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <4B0905F2.6090506@redhat.com> References: <6283a3900911220124r716b582t88a82b799e52299a@mail.gmail.com> <4B0905F2.6090506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B090765.5090307@redhat.com> On 11/22/2009 03:35 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > I asked Gregory to join the Marketing group because he's going to be > helping us out with the Fedora Insight skin, and needed access to his > fedorapeople space so he can put up mockups and things if he wants, > before he gets approval for sysadmin-test group, which will let him play > directly on the publictest machine we're using. > > Welcome on board, Gregory - it's great to have you here. Oh yeah, did I mention that Gregory has done some zikula stuff before (back when it was called postnuke)? ;) Our websites are *so* going to rock for F13. From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 09:44:53 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:44:53 -0700 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <4B0905F2.6090506@redhat.com> References: <6283a3900911220124r716b582t88a82b799e52299a@mail.gmail.com> <4B0905F2.6090506@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911220144y590b6f93j62b84fab5fa303bc@mail.gmail.com> Welcome! (And yay, more night owls!) -Robyn On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > I asked Gregory to join the Marketing group because he's going to be helping > us out with the Fedora Insight skin, and needed access to his fedorapeople > space so he can put up mockups and things if he wants, before he gets > approval for sysadmin-test group, which will let him play directly on the > publictest machine we're using. > > Welcome on board, Gregory - it's great to have you here. > > --Mel > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > From gps at signbit.org Sun Nov 22 09:47:45 2009 From: gps at signbit.org (Gregory Sieranski) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:47:45 -0600 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <5d4d90c90911220144y590b6f93j62b84fab5fa303bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <6283a3900911220124r716b582t88a82b799e52299a@mail.gmail.com> <4B0905F2.6090506@redhat.com> <5d4d90c90911220144y590b6f93j62b84fab5fa303bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6283a3900911220147u1201734ft6d5a03af797fa152@mail.gmail.com> Thanks! Glad to be a part of Fedora :) On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:44 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: > Welcome! 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Yep, I'm having a "whoa, open source marketing is cool" moment right now. --Mel From nacross at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 19:42:29 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:42:29 -0600 Subject: Fedora 12 hits the printed newpapers at Nicaragua Message-ID: Hello, I want to share that I wrote a few days ago to a technology columnist from El Nuevo Diario. In the mail I included the link to http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Conoce_Fedora_12 This page is an effort to translate for latam the one page release note for Fedora 12. This effort was lead by Tatica, and I was honored to collaborate. Today, I was looking at the sunday newspaper, and I saw that my mail have a good response: (spanish) http://impreso.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2009/11/22/informatica/114077 I am looking to include this hit in the press archive. As Nicaraguan Launch party is due to December 3rd, I am hoping to have more press hits. Best regards -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 From ath.samaras at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 20:38:34 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:38:34 +0200 Subject: Fedora 12 hits the printed newpapers at Nicaragua In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi and wellcome, simply put at the biginning of the subject line [in the news] followed by a title (the actual subject of the mail), and send it to Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com This will mark your e-mail as a news press release relative to Fedora 12. Looking forward to see more press coverage from all over the world. Cheers ~Sakis On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > Hello, > > I want to share that I wrote a few days ago to a technology columnist > from El Nuevo Diario. In the mail I included the link to > http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Conoce_Fedora_12 > This page is an effort to translate for latam the one page release > note for Fedora 12. This effort was lead by Tatica, and I was honored > to collaborate. > > Today, I was looking at the sunday newspaper, and I saw that my mail > have a good response: (spanish) > http://impreso.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2009/11/22/informatica/114077 > > I am looking to include this hit in the press archive. As Nicaraguan > Launch party is due to December 3rd, I am hoping to have more press > hits. > > Best regards > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ath.samaras at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 23:08:01 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:08:01 +0200 Subject: [in the news] Greek Web news Message-ID: [clip] 11/18/2009 ???? ??? 5 ????? ??? ????, ? ????????? ???? ??????? *Fedora * ????? ????????? ??? ??? ??? ?????? 12, ?? ?????? ???????? *Constantine*. ? ????? ????????? ??? Fedora ???? ???? ??? ??????? 6 ?????? ??? ??????, ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??????????? ??? ??????? Linux. ---Translation -- About 5 months and some after F11, the well known blue distribution Fedora released version 12 with code name Constatine. Fedora came out for first time about 6 years ago and by now holds one of the top positions in the list of Linux Users. http://iovarsamis.blogspot.com/2009/11/12-fedora-constantine.html [clip] ???????????? ???? Wed, 18/11/2009 - 10:32 ?? ????????? ??????, ?????? ???????? *Linux* ????? ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????????????, ????? ????????? ????? ??? ???????? interface ??? ??? ??????????? ???? ????? ??? ???????? ???????. ??? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ???????? ????? ? *(K)Ubuntu *??? ? *Fedora*, ?? ??? ????????? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? *?????? 12*. http://e-pcmag.gr/category/tags/fedora-12 ---Translation -- During the last years, many Linux distributions have managed to expand their user base, since now they offer a user friendly interface that does not discourage new and inexperienced users. The two most popular distributions are (K)Ubuntu and Fedora that lately is at version 12 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 23:27:19 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:27:19 -0600 Subject: in the news Fedora 12 on printed newpapers at Nicaragua Message-ID: Hello, I am submitting this mail to fedora marketing list with the subject as adviced by Athanasios. I want to share that I wrote a few days ago to a technology columnist from El Nuevo Diario. In the mail I included the link to http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Conoce_Fedora_12 This page is an effort to translate for latam the one page release note for Fedora 12. This effort was lead by Tatica, and I was glad to collaborate. Today, I was looking at the sunday newspaper, and I saw that my mail have a good response: (spanish) http://impreso.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2009/11/22/informatica/114077 I have already wrote an entry at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_press_archive As Nicaraguan Launch party is due to December 3rd, I am hoping to have more press hits. Best regards -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From chinku.linux at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 06:22:38 2009 From: chinku.linux at gmail.com (chaitanya mehandru) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:52:38 +0530 Subject: Fedora 12 hits the printed newpapers at Nicaragua In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24b40b2b0911222222o38acf646i8efd75b6a0be51cc@mail.gmail.com> Its really awesome to hear such news on fedora12. Amazing work happening on Fedora 12!!! On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > Hello, > > I want to share that I wrote a few days ago to a technology columnist > from El Nuevo Diario. In the mail I included the link to > http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Conoce_Fedora_12 > This page is an effort to translate for latam the one page release > note for Fedora 12. This effort was lead by Tatica, and I was honored > to collaborate. > > Today, I was looking at the sunday newspaper, and I saw that my mail > have a good response: (spanish) > http://impreso.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2009/11/22/informatica/114077 > > I am looking to include this hit in the press archive. As Nicaraguan > Launch party is due to December 3rd, I am hoping to have more press > hits. > > Best regards > > -- > Neville > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v > Linux User # 473217 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 23 19:10:11 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:10:11 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: <0a443c35449cb45647279a333e63b594@localhost.localdomain> Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From taljurf at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 23 19:31:22 2009 From: taljurf at fedoraproject.org (Tareq Al Jurf) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:31:22 +0300 Subject: Intel Linux Graphics Shine With Fedora 12 Message-ID: <12d8a2fa0911231131v141b1f69hf8506ee9e4e6c5df@mail.gmail.com> Intel Linux Graphics Shine With Fedora 12 >From Phoronix http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_12_intel&num=1 Regards -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia taljurf at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Read Fedora Project, a Red Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source collaboration, has taken Fedora 12, the latest version of its free open source operating system distribution, off the rack and out into the open. http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/open-source/articles/69499-fedora-project-tips-hat-fedora-12.htm From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Tue Nov 24 19:54:32 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:54:32 -0500 Subject: User Profiles In-Reply-To: <4B07C29D.1000500@redhat.com> References: <4AF9F9F8.5040400@redhat.com> <1258661187.3715.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1258664632.3715.99.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B06E244.6040403@redhat.com> <4B07C29D.1000500@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1259092472.3555.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 04:36 -0600, Mel Chua wrote: > By sheer coincidence, our current plan for next week's meeting time is > that Sakis is leading us on sprinting on user stories - Sakis, how can > we use this to our benefit (and what are we doing / what should we do to > prep for Tuesday)? Mo, do you have any thoughts/requests on whether (and > if so, how) we can join forces? I think maybe the user stories you're sprinting on might give us good ideas of which users we could interview as part of the 'users' stakeholder category. I'll be in both channels. ~m From ath.samaras at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 21:26:49 2009 From: ath.samaras at gmail.com (Athanasios E. Samaras) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:26:49 +0200 Subject: Meeting minutes 11/20/2009 Message-ID: Hello team, here are the logs on the latest Marketing sprint on a new idea to create a wiki about Fedora's success stories. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-24/fedora-meeting.2009-11-24-20.05.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-24/fedora-meeting.2009-11-24-20.05.txt Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-24/fedora-meeting.2009-11-24-20.05.log.html ~Sakis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at redhat.com Tue Nov 24 22:17:26 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:17:26 -0600 Subject: Meeting minutes 11/20/2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B0C5B76.2090709@redhat.com> On 11/24/2009 03:26 PM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: > Hello team, > here are the logs on the latest Marketing sprint on a new idea to create > a wiki about Fedora's success stories. And failures that we've learned from and turned into successes. :) Thanks to Sakis for running today's sprint - I cleaned up and categorized the story list we came up with, it's here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_stories Also under https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects. Sakis, what's the next step for moving forward with this? --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Nov 25 04:17:16 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:17:16 -0600 Subject: User research stakeholder interviews Message-ID: <4B0CAFCC.9080003@redhat.com> Tatica is going to be doing the Marketing interview for the User Research project (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Research_Plan) sometime tomorrow morning; we'll be finding each other on IRC sometime between 1300 and 1600 UTC (...I know that's kind of nonspecific) and I'll shout to the list again right before we start in case we can get any more participants. If you'd specifically like us to ping you or wait for you, drop a line here (it's totally no trouble, and I for one would love to have more folks there - remember, F12 was my first release cycle, so I would *particularly* love to hear from folks who've been around longer and have a broader sense of history). For information on the kind of thing we're doing, see the examples of other teams' interviews at http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/fedora-interaction-design-hackfest-summary/. These are the questions we'll be asked to answer from a Marketing team perspective, if anyone has thoughts to chime in between now and FUDCon. # How well do you think Fedora accomplishes its stated goals in light of your role in the project? # How is Fedora not meeting those goals? # What questions do you have about Fedora's target audience that you'd like to see answers so that your team can help get Fedora closer to its goals? --Mel From mel at redhat.com Wed Nov 25 04:39:38 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:39:38 -0600 Subject: Fwd: example content Message-ID: <4B0CB50A.40109@redhat.com> Hey, Marketing team! The Desktop folks are looking for example content created by - and viewable in - open source software that ships with Fedora, to use as examples for users of the desktop spin in f13 (yep, looking forward to that already). Anything you'd suggest to showcase? Send ideas to fedora-devel-list at redhat.com, https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list. The thread so far is archived here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-November/msg01706.html --Mel -------- Original Message -------- Subject: example content Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:15:11 -0500 From: Matthias Clasen Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora Organization: Red Hat, Inc To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core , Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop Hey, one change we are planning to make to the desktop spin in F13 is to go from targeting a cd to targeting a 1g usb stick. That will give us enough breathing room to include not only OpenOffice, but also some example content on the spin. We've wanted to do that for a long time, but the cd size restriction have prohibited that. The example content is meant to serve several purposes: - Be informative and/or pleasant - Allow users to try the included apps - Showcase content that has been produced with open source apps - Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors Examples that might fit some of these categories are: - Suitably licensed music or movie trailers (big buck bunny has been mentioned already) - Spreadsheets or documents that contain interesting facts about Fedora or open source - the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12 The purpose of this mail is to solicit proposals for content that might fit into these categories. Please send your proposals to fedora-desktop-list or just reply. Thanks! Matthias -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list From mel at redhat.com Wed Nov 25 04:39:49 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:39:49 -0600 Subject: in the news Fedora 12 on printed newpapers at Nicaragua In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B0CB515.1050405@redhat.com> On 11/22/2009 05:27 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: > Hello, I am submitting this mail to fedora marketing list with the > subject as adviced by Athanasios. Thanks, Neville - and also to Sakis (Athanasios) for suggesting the forward! As a side note, how can we better keep track of international press like this? I think we need to figure out how to get a better Marketing <--> Ambassadors link going for F13. ;) --Mel From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 25 05:26:34 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:56:34 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Distrowatch: First look at Fedora 12 Message-ID: <4B0CC00A.3070406@fedoraproject.org> Hi, http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091123#feature "After spending several days with Fedora, I find that I'm happy with this release. The live CD by itself was a bit underwhelming, but the distribution as a whole has been excellent. This is probably the most stable and most polished release the Fedora team has put together to date." Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 25 05:29:13 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:59:13 +0530 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12 Pushes Bleeding Edge of Linux Networking Message-ID: <4B0CC0A9.1040209@fedoraproject.org> Hi http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6910/1/ For example, Fedora 12 offers netbook enhancements that Frields noted came from a community contributor. In Frields's view, what Fedora does is it provides a set of building blocks of well-engineered open source software. "Anybody that has a specific area that they're interested in will be able to mold Fedora into a product that they can put out in front of people," he said. "Whether you call it a spin or a Fedora remix, Fedora is malleable enough to turn out some very different kinds of project." Rahul From nacross at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 05:59:03 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:59:03 -0600 Subject: in the news Fedora 12 on printed newpapers at Nicaragua In-Reply-To: <4B0CB515.1050405@redhat.com> References: <4B0CB515.1050405@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Mel Chua wrote: > On 11/22/2009 05:27 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote: >> >> Hello, I am submitting this mail to fedora marketing list with the >> subject as adviced by Athanasios. > > Thanks, Neville - and also to Sakis (Athanasios) for suggesting the forward! > > As a side note, how can we better keep track of international press like > this? I think we need to figure out how to get a better Marketing <--> > Ambassadors link going for F13. ;) > > --Mel > We, as ambassador, should be watching out for those news and report back to the press archive. But, as I did, we also should look to feed the columnists with material to write about us. The translation of one page release note was a big help. I will like to join the fedora marketing team in the near future, probably at the beginning of January. Best regards. -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 20:22:08 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:22:08 +0100 Subject: Fedora Electronic Lab presentation at JM2L This friday Message-ID: <50baabb30911251222y36e6dc42o5b910feb8f540bfb@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, It is with great pleasure I'm announcing that Laurent Charpentier will held a presentation about Fedora Electronic Lab this Friday at 16:00 in Sophia-Antipolis. http://jm2l.linux-azur.org/Fedora-Electronic-Lab About FEL : http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ Kind regards, Chitlesh PS: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events needs some cleanup. From taljurf at fedoraproject.org Wed Nov 25 20:23:01 2009 From: taljurf at fedoraproject.org (Tareq Al Jurf) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:23:01 +0300 Subject: Introducing myself Message-ID: <12d8a2fa0911251223w3f945b3ek41ed5c07db1b0768@mail.gmail.com> Hi I'm Tareq Al Jurf. I'm from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. I'm a last year high school student. My goal is to spread Fedora in Riyadh or any other place in Saudi Arabia or any Arab country. I'd like people to use, know about and join the Fedora Project. I've already started convincing students in my school and online to migrate to Fedora. Although i don't have any marketing certification, I think that i gained experience in marketing Fedora. I'll try hard because in Saudi Arabia less than 5% know anything about linux. I wish that you accept me at the team :) Thanks in Advance -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia taljurf at fedoraproject.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kschiltz at redhat.com Wed Nov 25 22:02:29 2009 From: kschiltz at redhat.com (Kara Schiltz) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:02:29 -0500 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields Message-ID: <4B0DA975.2080904@redhat.com> LWN 11.24.09 Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields By Rebecca Sobol Last week, just before the final release of Fedora 12 was announced , I had the opportunity to speak with Fedora Project Leader Paul Frields. The following article is based on that conversation. Full article: http://lwn.net/Articles/361995/ From mel at redhat.com Wed Nov 25 22:45:55 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:45:55 -0600 Subject: Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <12d8a2fa0911251223w3f945b3ek41ed5c07db1b0768@mail.gmail.com> References: <12d8a2fa0911251223w3f945b3ek41ed5c07db1b0768@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B0DB3A3.7000002@redhat.com> On 11/25/2009 02:23 PM, Tareq Al Jurf wrote: > Hi > I'm Tareq Al Jurf. I'm from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Welcome, Tareq! I've approved your membership request in FAS. What Marketing projects are you interested in working on (or starting)? We have a few listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects, along with the deliverables we do for every release (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables) we do for every release. We're also at the beginning of the F13 planning cycle right now, so this is the perfect time to come up with new ideas. As an Ambassador, you're in a particularly good position to think about the kinds of initiatives that would help Marketing support Ambassadors, too. --Mel From inode0 at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 22:52:43 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:52:43 -0600 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields In-Reply-To: <4B0DA975.2080904@redhat.com> References: <4B0DA975.2080904@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Kara Schiltz wrote: > LWN > 11.24.09 > > Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields > By Rebecca Sobol > > Last week, just before the final release of Fedora 12 was announced > , I had the opportunity to speak with > Fedora Project Leader Paul Frields. The following article is based on that > conversation. > > Full article: > http://lwn.net/Articles/361995/ I don't suppose there are any unused LWN subscriptions? John From mel at redhat.com Thu Nov 26 01:02:18 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:02:18 -0600 Subject: Fedora Electronic Lab presentation at JM2L This friday In-Reply-To: <50baabb30911251222y36e6dc42o5b910feb8f540bfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30911251222y36e6dc42o5b910feb8f540bfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B0DD39A.3000905@redhat.com> > It is with great pleasure I'm announcing that Laurent Charpentier will > held a presentation about Fedora Electronic Lab this Friday at 16:00 > in Sophia-Antipolis. > > http://jm2l.linux-azur.org/Fedora-Electronic-Lab > > About FEL : http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ Thanks for keeping us informed! Chitlesh, you seem to be doing an excellent job of marketing for your spin - do you think the kinds of things you're doing are skills that other spins (and possibly remix?) maintainers would be interested in learning? > PS: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events needs some cleanup. Yep - that's an Ambassadors page, so I might ping that list with a "if you're looking for a quick way to volunteer..." note. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Thu Nov 26 01:27:46 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:27:46 -0600 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields In-Reply-To: References: <4B0DA975.2080904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B0DD992.1090909@redhat.com> >> Full article: >> http://lwn.net/Articles/361995/ > > I don't suppose there are any unused LWN subscriptions? I don't know, but the site notes that "this item will become freely available on December 3, 2009," so I've put a note on my calendar to re-ping this list about the article then. --Mel From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 05:34:17 2009 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:04:17 +0530 Subject: Thinking out loud about a Fedora Handbook Message-ID: <35586fc00911252134k48318c78r6684e617bc21643c@mail.gmail.com> A while back I had stolen some neurons from Rahul and Susmit while scribbling . The page has a bit of detail but it is somewhat nebulous and tentative. Having a handbook that is "project focused" would be a good addition to release-centric flyers. Would anyone like to take a look at this and, figure out how to move forward with the content ? The original idea I had was to re-use existing content so as to not burden everyone with writing fresh snappy lines. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay Sent from Brisbane, Qld, Australia From giallu at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 09:36:04 2009 From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:36:04 +0100 Subject: [in the news] Fedora 12: a conversation with Paul Frields In-Reply-To: References: <4B0DA975.2080904@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:52 PM, inode0 wrote: >> Full article: >> http://lwn.net/Articles/361995/ > > I don't suppose there are any unused LWN subscriptions? Subscribers can send free links, but not on public places. I'm sending you one privately -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna From phrkonaleash at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 19:08:42 2009 From: phrkonaleash at gmail.com (Ryan Rix) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:08:42 -0700 Subject: Self-introduction: Ryan Rix (PhrkOnLsh) Message-ID: <200911261208.47313.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> Hello everyone, After talking with Mel Chua and Ankur Sinha on the #Fedora-mktg channel last night, Ankur and I have decided to embark on a Marketing project[1] for either F13, or the F14 feature track. As a result, I've decided to actually join the Marketing team, so here is my formal self-introduction :) *Full legal name (as you use it is fine) Ryan Rix *City, Country; you may use your timezone if you have a compelling reason not to specify your city or country Phoenix, AZ, USA *Profession or Student status High School Student *Company, School, or other affiliation Deer Valley High School *Your goals in the Fedora Project To see Fedora Linux and the Fedora Project shine, and for the project to lead the FOSS community as a whole. Getting Fedora's awesome community involved is a key part of this happening, and it's what I am also trying to accomplish in becoming a local Fedora Project ambassador. *What do you want to talk about? Fedora, of course! I'm a member of the KDE SIG, so that's where my expertise in the distro lies, but pretty much anything related to the project, the distro or the people is open territory :) *What would you like to see in Fedora? Fedora's Four Pillars are one of the major reasons I was so attracted to the distribution and community. I think that making sure the distro follows these four goals will help to propel Fedora to the forefront of the GNU/Linux community as a whole. We should always be striving to package, integrate, ship and promote cutting edge software, services and designs to the Fedora community and the FOSS community as a whole. We should strive to lead by example in not embracing proprietary software solutions at all costs and we should be willing to fight for our freedom. *Anything else you'd like to do? As I said above, I'm going to be working with Ankur Sinha on bringing his awesome idea to light within the F13 or F14 feature period, and that's probably what I will be focusing most of my initial work in Marketing on. It sounds like a very exciting project and could have a huge impact on Fedora's new users, and attracting possible contributors. *Historical qualifications High School Newspaper? Not much :) I'm an ambassador, if that helps :) *What other projects or marketing effors have you worked on in the past? (List what you think is relevant) Null *What level and type of marketing skills do you have? Not much besides a veracity and will to make Fedora as awesome as possible :) *What other skills do you have that might be applicable? Minimal coding skills, in C++ and python, which I'll be expanding via a few small projects and fedora-tour in the near future. I may also have a tablet PC in the near future to help express my (pathetic) artistic skills :-) Happy Thanksgiving for all your Americans, and happy Thursday for everyone else, Ryan Rix Ambassador, KDE SIG, News (and now Marketing) :) [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-tour -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From delete at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 26 19:09:00 2009 From: delete at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mat=EDas_Kreder?=) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:09:00 -0300 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: <4B0ED24C.9070109@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, My name is Matias Kreder, I've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 5, I'm an Ambassador for Buenos Aires, Argentina where I live. I'd like to join the Marketing group and also this mailing list in order to be in touch, and to receive suggestions because today Kam Salisbury sent me the account information to maintain the @fedora_linux account on twitter. If any of you have something to announce via twitter, please feel free to contact me! Thank you! and Happy Thanksgiving day! - -- Mat?as Kreder Fedora Ambassador fedoraproject.org/wiki/MatiasKreder -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLDtJMAAoJEOfvYwJUpi5gkO4H/R4n8hgwEJiA8rf0MS/EYBMo bXHsyzn3Mpt5mOv/zRylj7ETp+2qX6+81Hot/iRr5LaSvAcT5YN2dD4MBFq2b9BP /NqbgluiHwr/f/FkkJKGzdu9gO1Qbvpx9X4LiPid4AdxRg6fhtAIoTSoyUFVX/MW 82NEevXP4c0c5Ima/BU3gCP2yEOHvD1yq7yDw1JUyRNuQtvzwOo/9g2nmTrR1kr6 i9TB8tSoyePORm/C9osXZ2WLtkMKbhIWveCRmtiy4aqMKRwRZk7CUxTbIhrMaqU3 xdZOQ0cs7NwCxObXq7BXxgcn3MzTWMSs028WaSurquxyjj0lCXA2M+oraywv4mE= =uoDs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robyn.bergeron at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 21:18:44 2009 From: robyn.bergeron at gmail.com (Robyn Bergeron) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:18:44 -0700 Subject: Self-introduction: Ryan Rix (PhrkOnLsh) In-Reply-To: <200911261208.47313.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> References: <200911261208.47313.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d4d90c90911261318k1e77a300i8dbad024c0bdb1ce@mail.gmail.com> Yay Phoenix! :) how 'bout this chilly 82-degree thanksgiving weather? Welcome! -robyn (a former north canyon rattler!) On 11/26/09, Ryan Rix wrote: > Hello everyone, > > After talking with Mel Chua and Ankur Sinha on the #Fedora-mktg channel last > night, Ankur and I have decided to embark on a Marketing project[1] for > either > F13, or the F14 feature track. As a result, I've decided to actually join > the > Marketing team, so here is my formal self-introduction :) > > *Full legal name (as you use it is fine) > Ryan Rix > > *City, Country; you may use your timezone if you have a compelling reason > not > to specify your city or country > Phoenix, AZ, USA > > *Profession or Student status > High School Student > > *Company, School, or other affiliation > Deer Valley High School > > *Your goals in the Fedora Project > To see Fedora Linux and the Fedora Project shine, and for the project to > lead > the FOSS community as a whole. Getting Fedora's awesome community involved > is > a key part of this happening, and it's what I am also trying to accomplish > in > becoming a local Fedora Project ambassador. > > *What do you want to talk about? > Fedora, of course! I'm a member of the KDE SIG, so that's where my expertise > in the distro lies, but pretty much anything related to the project, the > distro or the people is open territory :) > > *What would you like to see in Fedora? > Fedora's Four Pillars are one of the major reasons I was so attracted to the > distribution and community. I think that making sure the distro follows > these > four goals will help to propel Fedora to the forefront of the GNU/Linux > community as a whole. We should always be striving to package, integrate, > ship > and promote cutting edge software, services and designs to the Fedora > community and the FOSS community as a whole. We should strive to lead by > example in not embracing proprietary software solutions at all costs and we > should be willing to fight for our freedom. > > *Anything else you'd like to do? > As I said above, I'm going to be working with Ankur Sinha on bringing his > awesome idea to light within the F13 or F14 feature period, and that's > probably what I will be focusing most of my initial work in Marketing on. It > sounds like a very exciting project and could have a huge impact on Fedora's > new users, and attracting possible contributors. > > *Historical qualifications > High School Newspaper? Not much :) I'm an ambassador, if that helps :) > > *What other projects or marketing effors have you worked on in the past? > (List > what you think is relevant) > Null > > *What level and type of marketing skills do you have? > Not much besides a veracity and will to make Fedora as awesome as possible > :) > > *What other skills do you have that might be applicable? > Minimal coding skills, in C++ and python, which I'll be expanding via a few > small projects and fedora-tour in the near future. I may also have a tablet > PC > in the near future to help express my (pathetic) artistic skills :-) > > Happy Thanksgiving for all your Americans, and happy Thursday for everyone > else, > Ryan Rix > Ambassador, KDE SIG, News (and now Marketing) :) > > [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-tour > -- > Ryan Rix > Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer > > http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash > XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com > AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash > IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and > countless other FOSS channels. > -- Sent from my mobile device From mel at redhat.com Sat Nov 28 06:19:06 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:19:06 -0600 Subject: Fedora twitter account In-Reply-To: <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B0ED21A.2050107@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911261704v2fd7da3dkecabc7a73213d9e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B104149.2000205@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> Just a FYI for everyone: the Fedora twitter account has passed hands from Kam Salisbury to Mat?as Kreder (Cc'd). Here's a look at how this happened: 1. Kam calls for a new maintainer, http://twitter.com/fedora_linux/status/6066293758 2. Mat?as takes over, http://twitter.com/fedora_linux/status/6081698559 3. The twitter at fedoraproject.org alias is pointed to Mat?as's fedoraproject email address: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1839 Having email aliases that forward to the maintainers seems like a good procedure to follow for all https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks ( in general, if anyone is interested in working on that aspect of our marketing strategy. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Nov 28 06:42:29 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:42:29 -0600 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <4B0ED24C.9070109@fedoraproject.org> References: <4B0ED24C.9070109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4B10C655.9050402@redhat.com> > My name is Matias Kreder, I've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 5, > I'm an Ambassador for Buenos Aires, Argentina where I live. > > I'd like to join the Marketing group and also this mailing list in order > to be in touch, and to receive suggestions because today Kam Salisbury > sent me the account information to maintain the @fedora_linux account on > twitter. > > If any of you have something to announce via twitter, please feel free > to contact me! Welcome, Matias! I've approved your group membership in FAS - thanks for taking over our Twitter account! How can we help you out? The first thing I can think of is that news articles we find are sent to this list marked with an [in the news] tag in the subject line, so those are pretty easy to spot if you're looking for material to retweet. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Nov 28 06:56:39 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:56:39 -0600 Subject: Self-introduction: Ryan Rix (PhrkOnLsh) In-Reply-To: <200911261208.47313.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> References: <200911261208.47313.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B10C9A7.6040402@redhat.com> > After talking with Mel Chua and Ankur Sinha on the #Fedora-mktg channel last > night, Ankur and I have decided to embark on a Marketing project[1] for either > F13, or the F14 feature track. As a result, I've decided to actually join the > Marketing team, so here is my formal self-introduction :) Welcome, Ryan! I've approved your FAS group membership. > *What do you want to talk about? > Fedora, of course! I'm a member of the KDE SIG, so that's where my expertise > in the distro lies, but pretty much anything related to the project, the > distro or the people is open territory :) Speaking of which, I think we could use some work on making it (even) easier for the various spins to market themselves... Chitlesh is very active at doing this for FEL, and KDE sounds like another logical group to spearhead a "More Resources For Spins To Do Their Own Cool Marketing Stuff!" charge if that's something the SIG might be interested in. > [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-tour I'm very much looking forward to hearing more about this. Please keep us updated! (Are we going to get a "we've started this project!" intro email soon?) --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Nov 28 07:42:42 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:42:42 -0600 Subject: Clearing out the FAS marketing group request queue Message-ID: <4B10D472.7020804@redhat.com> To make it easier to welcome new folks into Marketing, I'm cleaning out all old requests from the FAS marketing group request queue, as I haven't been able to find the introduction emails that are prerequisites for FAS group membership from any of the people on that list. If you were on that list and are still interested in joining the Marketing team (which I hope you are!) instructions on how to do so are at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_the_Fedora_marketing_project. Note that you need an introduction email to the Marketing mailing list before you request FAS membership. (And if you're bringing a new person into Marketing, please help them walk through the join instructions on that page.) --Mel PS: Right now, the marketing FAS group doesn't actually let you do anything, it just marks membership - but that (along with the Join process) is something we might want to discuss as a group during our F13 strategic planning meeting. Which, I might add, is happening in 1.5 weeks on 12/8 (usual meeting time). Some other groups have things they do to help new folks get started (the mentoring program in Ambassadors, the way Infrastructure asks people to contribute for a while before they grant group membership, etc) that we may want to adopt. That's a separate topic I'll bring up at our next meeting, though. From mel at redhat.com Sat Nov 28 08:16:17 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:16:17 -0600 Subject: Fascinating reading: KDE brand repositioning Message-ID: <4B10DC51.4090609@redhat.com> Interesting reading from just a few days ago: the KDE folks have just been through a large rebranding project. (KDE SIG folks, do please chime in if you know about this!) http://news.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand Fascinating reading, including the supplementary "more information" links (http://community.kde.org/Promo/Branding/Rebranding_KDE_v1.1.0 and http://community.kde.org/Promo/Branding/Map). If someone's interested, this might be something to ask the KDE Marketing folks about, and thinking about how their experiences with this process might be applicable to the various ideas we've been considering for this release cycle (and beyond). --Mel From mel at redhat.com Sat Nov 28 08:26:16 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:26:16 -0600 Subject: Thinking out loud about a Fedora Handbook In-Reply-To: <35586fc00911252134k48318c78r6684e617bc21643c@mail.gmail.com> References: <35586fc00911252134k48318c78r6684e617bc21643c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B10DEA8.4080203@redhat.com> On 11/25/2009 11:34 PM, sankarshan wrote: > A while back I had stolen some neurons from Rahul and Susmit while > scribbling. > The page has a bit of detail but it is somewhat nebulous and > tentative. > > Having a handbook that is "project focused" would be a good addition > to release-centric flyers. Would anyone like to take a look at this > and, figure out how to move forward with the content ? The original > idea I had was to re-use existing content so as to not burden everyone > with writing fresh snappy lines. Thinking out loud a little bit... I think this would be a great project to take on for F13. It's also, like every other project in Fedora, dependent on people here being excited about working on it (and able to do so) - although the timing seems right, with the a lot of the base material (the Four Foundations [0], etc) already existing somewhere on the wiki, and with momentum in this general area going strong with conversations about "what is Fedora?" happening at f-a-b, the website redesign and user research underway, marketing research starting, and the like. Since it's not release-specific it's something we could work on early in the release cycle, even pre-Alpha. And it's something we could do as a series of joint Ambassadors/Marketing sprints, since they'll be the ones using this handbook at events, and we're looking for ways to get the two teams working more closely together (and this would be an awesome start). We could try to print the first round at the Marketing FAD [1] we'll likely be planing for sometime in the middle of this release cycle. Also, these came to mind as potential sources of inspiration: * http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Sharing_Creative_Works * http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/6/65/Creativecommons-encouraging-the-ecology-of-creativity_eng.pdf These are just my late-night ramblings, so I'd love to hear what others think about the concept. Is anyone interested in driving this project, or do you know someone who might be? This would make a great project for someone interested in (or interested in learning about) print media, perhaps some of the folks who were keen on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine. --Mel [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD From delete at fedoraproject.org Sat Nov 28 18:07:30 2009 From: delete at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mat=EDas_Kreder?=) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:07:30 -0300 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <4B10C655.9050402@redhat.com> References: <4B0ED24C.9070109@fedoraproject.org> <4B10C655.9050402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B1166E2.9090703@fedoraproject.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, I would like to let you know that I'm very happy with this new task. I'll be checking the news in this mailing list and also the Fedora Weekly news, in order to have material to tweet. I'm also tweeting cool things of Planet Fedora. I have received some mails offering help and in order to share the task of tweeting I was thinking in using one of these web application, hootsuite and/or cotweet. This way if any person wants to tweet something in the account it would be possible and I'll create an individual user for this person to do so. Both pages have also the feature for scheduling tweets. I don't like cotweet so much because it looks very corporate, but it has a cleaner interface to tweet. If you have any thought about this subject, please let me know. My idea is: More people tweeting means more followers. More followers means more downloads. More download means more Fedora Users. (that is what we all want) Have a nice day! Mat?as On 11/28/2009 03:42 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >> My name is Matias Kreder, I've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 5, >> I'm an Ambassador for Buenos Aires, Argentina where I live. >> >> I'd like to join the Marketing group and also this mailing list in order >> to be in touch, and to receive suggestions because today Kam Salisbury >> sent me the account information to maintain the @fedora_linux account on >> twitter. >> >> If any of you have something to announce via twitter, please feel free >> to contact me! > > Welcome, Matias! I've approved your group membership in FAS - thanks for > taking over our Twitter account! > > How can we help you out? The first thing I can think of is that news > articles we find are sent to this list marked with an [in the news] tag > in the subject line, so those are pretty easy to spot if you're looking > for material to retweet. > > --Mel > - -- Mat?as Kreder Fedora Ambassador fedoraproject.org/wiki/MatiasKreder -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLEWbiAAoJEOfvYwJUpi5gj8AIAJIf7xiPC6T3oExx9Yagi0IZ 2aGcRBNOaFcUw6XiOatyQ0uQXPa9Vi8SBp3YcrGBEiOz61BnwG/EfTVxMBjiHm2u 286zX40/JwjlhilvzxNc+Z9fNwhmkk6Rwb7SpvJuQcgmDBKWARYu7CT6OJR6dVXh 2KHkdcSUSYqi6DsqxDO8rS3eFrA6lywenePjhJXx/jh2IzDceiSNEBXy2BYemXXk bClW70+nRMDg6gSDbauAXOH4HS6KzagaVgnknbhBCFSmv2SW2q+1VdL1KEwLr4KK T4W76LGwiyTBk7plLqP09MmCgO7sCtWqSAL/UwWwbSo37ZvdfvC88oIPogw/gIM= =zdie -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From poelstra at redhat.com Sun Nov 29 05:01:16 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:01:16 -0800 Subject: Fedora twitter account In-Reply-To: <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> References: <4B0ED21A.2050107@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911261704v2fd7da3dkecabc7a73213d9e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B104149.2000205@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B12001C.4060501@redhat.com> Mel Chua said the following on 11/27/2009 10:19 PM Pacific Time: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks ( in general, if > anyone is interested in working on that aspect of our marketing strategy. > I removed Mugshot since it does not appear to be in operation any more. John From mel at redhat.com Sun Nov 29 05:34:14 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:34:14 -0600 Subject: Fedora twitter account In-Reply-To: <4B12001C.4060501@redhat.com> References: <4B0ED21A.2050107@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911261704v2fd7da3dkecabc7a73213d9e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B104149.2000205@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> <4B12001C.4060501@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4B1207D6.1080903@redhat.com> On 11/28/2009 11:01 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > Mel Chua said the following on 11/27/2009 10:19 PM Pacific Time: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks ( in general, >> if anyone is interested in working on that aspect of our marketing >> strategy. >> > > I removed Mugshot since it does not appear to be in operation any more. > > John Thanks, John! To further entice folks to pick up on our social networking strategy, here was a not-too-long-ago thread on this topic: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00098.html Pascal offered LinkedIn and Facebook: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00099.html Robyn asked if there was a master list, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00100.html - and I suppose we've just discovered that there is. :) So I added the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks page to the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects section - that way we hit it during our F13 planning discussions. --Mel From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 07:08:56 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:38:56 +0530 Subject: Fedora twitter account In-Reply-To: <4B1207D6.1080903@redhat.com> References: <4B0ED21A.2050107@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911261704v2fd7da3dkecabc7a73213d9e1@mail.gmail.com> <4B104149.2000205@redhat.com> <7b7b00ef0911271322q46f40472y385730d92c51474a@mail.gmail.com> <4B10C0DA.6040109@redhat.com> <4B12001C.4060501@redhat.com> <4B1207D6.1080903@redhat.com> Message-ID: > To further entice folks to pick up on our social networking strategy, here > was a not-too-long-ago thread on this topic: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00098.html > > Pascal offered LinkedIn and Facebook: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00099.html > > Robyn asked if there was a master list, > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-November/msg00100.html > - and I suppose we've just discovered that there is. :) So I added the > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SocialNetworks page to the > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Projects section - that way we hit > it during our F13 planning discussions. Also, have a look at this. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1813 This is not yet started, so suggestions will be valuable. :) -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 15:24:16 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:24:16 -0600 Subject: Twitter account In-Reply-To: <7b7b00ef0911290538o1d7660f1yca0821388a80aa11@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b7b00ef0911290538o1d7660f1yca0821388a80aa11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That's fine Kam, thank you very much! Matias, I would love to get some shared responsibility over the account for people like you working with the Fedora Marketing team, so that we can do a great job of publicizing all of the things going on in Fedora over each release cycle, as well as events, new team projects, and the news items we expect to be arriving through our new Fedora Insight system when that arrives in 2010. Please get back to me when you get a chance. Paul W. Frields Fedora Project Leader On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Kam Salisbury wrote: > Hi Paul, I forwarded this email to Matias Kreder (delete at fedoraproject.org) > that now has the account. > > Thanks, > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Paul Frields wrote: >> >> Hi Kam, >> >> I'd like to ensure that the Fedora Marketing team has access to that >> Twitter account. Also I'd like to make sure that we don't have a >> single point of responsibility/failure for it if it represents the >> Project. Can you email the login details to me so I can coordinate the >> access among multiple people? >> >> Thank you for helping to run it up until now! >> >> Paul W. Frields >> Fedora Project Leader > > > > -- > -- > Kam Salisbury > http://kamsalisbury.com > From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 16:34:05 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:04:05 +0530 Subject: Twitter account In-Reply-To: References: <7b7b00ef0911290538o1d7660f1yca0821388a80aa11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, >>> I'd like to ensure that the Fedora Marketing team has access to that >>> Twitter account. Also I'd like to make sure that we don't have a >>> single point of responsibility/failure for it if it represents the >>> Project. Can you email the login details to me so I can coordinate the >>> access among multiple people? In this context, let me mention that I have shared planetfedora twitter/identica access with tatica to ensure there is no single point of failure. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 30 07:55:19 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:55:19 -0600 Subject: Twitter account In-Reply-To: References: <7b7b00ef0911290538o1d7660f1yca0821388a80aa11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B137A67.9070207@redhat.com> On 11/29/2009 10:34 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Hi Paul, > >>>> I'd like to ensure that the Fedora Marketing team has access to that >>>> Twitter account. Also I'd like to make sure that we don't have a >>>> single point of responsibility/failure for it if it represents the >>>> Project. Can you email the login details to me so I can coordinate the >>>> access among multiple people? > > In this context, let me mention that I have shared planetfedora > twitter/identica access with tatica to ensure there is no single point > of failure. Here's what I think needs to be done: 1. Each social networking account gets an email alias 2. That email alias forwards to one (or more) maintainers 3. Email alias + maintainers list is posted publicly somewhere At least that seems the simplest way to me. Kam already started the process for fedora_project twitter, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1839. --Mel From chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 08:06:04 2009 From: chitlesh.goorah at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:06:04 +0100 Subject: Fedora Electronic Lab presentation at JM2L This friday In-Reply-To: <50baabb30911251222y36e6dc42o5b910feb8f540bfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <50baabb30911251222y36e6dc42o5b910feb8f540bfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50baabb30911300006l483049dfs235205977f1fd536@mail.gmail.com> Hello there, In the blog post below, you will find Laurent Charpentier's report about the 2 days event in Sophia-Antipolis, France last weekend: http://chitlesh.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/report-from-france-fel-at-jm2l-nov-27-28-2009/ Cheers, Chitlesh On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH < > wrote: > Hello there, > > It is with great pleasure I'm announcing that Laurent Charpentier will > held a presentation about Fedora Electronic Lab this Friday at 16:00 > in Sophia-Antipolis. > > http://jm2l.linux-azur.org/Fedora-Electronic-Lab > > About FEL : http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ > > Kind regards, > Chitlesh > > PS: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events needs some cleanup. > From ribalba at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 14:51:43 2009 From: ribalba at gmail.com (Geerd-Dietger Hoffmann) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:51:43 +0000 Subject: A report on Fedora 12 Message-ID: <20a764e60911300651y50f4e22fq3fc1ed0c4aa037b7@mail.gmail.com> Hey I am the editor of the CentOS newsletter and I would like to publish an article on Fedora 12, as this is what we will end up with in a few years :) Is someone interested in writing just a brief overview and some mayor points. Do you have something prewritten I can modify. Cheers Didi -- My www page: www.ribalba.de Email / Jabber: ribalba at gmail.com Skype : ribalba From kushaldas at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 15:00:06 2009 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:30:06 +0530 Subject: Fedora 11 on a E-Book reader Message-ID: Hi all Just found out a E-Book reader running Fedora 11 [1] :) A youtube video [2] (German) Main features: * eInk Vizplex 6" display at 600x800 pixels * 151mm x 131mm x 12mm, 300g * Freescale ARM11 CPU 532MHz * capacitive slider interface * next generation Epson display controller * Linux kernel * integrated 3D accelerometer for automatic orientation detection * MicroSD memory card slot [1] http://reader.txtr.com/en/ [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho8347axlts Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in From nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro Mon Nov 30 15:01:39 2009 From: nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro (Nicu Buculei) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:01:39 +0200 Subject: A report on Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <20a764e60911300651y50f4e22fq3fc1ed0c4aa037b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20a764e60911300651y50f4e22fq3fc1ed0c4aa037b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B13DE53.2020506@nicubunu.ro> On 11/30/2009 04:51 PM, Geerd-Dietger Hoffmann wrote: > Hey Hi > I am the editor of the CentOS newsletter and I would like to publish > an article on Fedora 12, as this is what we will end up with in a few > years :) Cool! > Is someone interested in writing just a brief overview and some mayor > points. Do you have something prewritten I can modify. Some useful resources: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Talking_Points http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-November/msg00006.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 30 16:32:51 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:32:51 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 Message-ID: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. It's on YouTube - I tried blip.tv and the upload kept stalling, so I split the video in to and got it up on YouTube just so I could make it available more quickly. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ Hope you enjoy, ~m From tatica at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 30 16:57:53 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:27:53 -0430 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <27a6293b0911300857r58df51eey7dfa81bcb910d512@mail.gmail.com> Excelent!!! There are some tools I didn't know so is awesome :D Thank you for this amazing clip, and I finally can hear your voice :P 2009/11/30 M?ir?n Duffy > Hi, > > I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. It's on YouTube > - I tried blip.tv and the upload kept stalling, so I split the video in > to and got it up on YouTube just so I could make it available more > quickly. > > http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ > > Hope you enjoy, > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 30 17:18:09 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:18:09 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <27a6293b0911300857r58df51eey7dfa81bcb910d512@mail.gmail.com> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27a6293b0911300857r58df51eey7dfa81bcb910d512@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1259601489.20904.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Mar?a! On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 12:27 -0430, Mar?a Leandro wrote: > Excelent!!! > There are some tools I didn't know so is awesome :D > Thank you for this amazing clip, and I finally can hear your voice :P Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know, because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other. Sweet! :) By the way, if anybody would like to submit translations, I can upload them. YouTube seems to have a really cool captioning system and it seems to auto-detect where each line should go in the video. Here is the raw English transcript to translate: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt ~m From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 30 19:10:07 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:10:07 -0800 Subject: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meeting Message-ID: Details and agenda at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings. See you folks there! --Mel From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 30 19:23:33 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:23:33 -0500 Subject: A report on Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B13DE53.2020506@nicubunu.ro> References: <20a764e60911300651y50f4e22fq3fc1ed0c4aa037b7@mail.gmail.com> <4B13DE53.2020506@nicubunu.ro> Message-ID: <4B141BB5.80705@redhat.com> >> Is someone interested in writing just a brief overview and some mayor >> points. Do you have something prewritten I can modify. > > Some useful resources: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Talking_Points > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-November/msg00006.html We try to list them at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Fedora_12_release_deliverables also. --Mel From mel at redhat.com Mon Nov 30 19:57:25 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:57:25 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <1259601489.20904.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27a6293b0911300857r58df51eey7dfa81bcb910d512@mail.gmail.com> <1259601489.20904.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4B1423A5.9060703@redhat.com> > Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like > this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know, > because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and > discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other. > Sweet! :) MEME TIME! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting (I use Istanbul) > Here is the raw English transcript to translate: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt So, ah... 0. It was great to see the one-page release notes get localized, and I've heard some requests to try to get the Marketing stuff more i18n'd 1. I'm trying to learn Spanish (and Chinese, for that matter, though it's harder for me to translate things into Chinese). 2. I figure this is as good a way as any to learn how to work with our translation workflow. So, with a lot of help from Google Translate, I took 15 minutes and have... http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/translations/es/5funthingsinf12-transcript-es.txt What should I do next? (Other than get someone to proofread/fix my Spanish.) Thanks for the transcript, Mo - as someone who needs them, I really appreciate subtitles/captions/transcripts. I reckon I should look into getting http://www.jubler.org/ and http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/presentation.php packaged sometime and going on a feedback/bug-reporting spree for both + similar projects. --Mel From tatica at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 30 20:05:08 2009 From: tatica at fedoraproject.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mar=EDa_Leandro?=) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:35:08 -0430 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B1423A5.9060703@redhat.com> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27a6293b0911300857r58df51eey7dfa81bcb910d512@mail.gmail.com> <1259601489.20904.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B1423A5.9060703@redhat.com> Message-ID: <27a6293b0911301205p763e17dfucccb9ca20e849347@mail.gmail.com> /me checking spanish spell :D 2009/11/30 Mel Chua > Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like >> this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know, >> because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and >> discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other. >> Sweet! :) >> > > MEME TIME! > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting (I use Istanbul) > > > Here is the raw English transcript to translate: >> >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt >> > > So, ah... > > 0. It was great to see the one-page release notes get localized, and I've > heard some requests to try to get the Marketing stuff more i18n'd > 1. I'm trying to learn Spanish (and Chinese, for that matter, though it's > harder for me to translate things into Chinese). > 2. I figure this is as good a way as any to learn how to work with our > translation workflow. > > So, with a lot of help from Google Translate, I took 15 minutes and have... > > http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/translations/es/5funthingsinf12-transcript-es.txt > > What should I do next? (Other than get someone to proofread/fix my > Spanish.) > > Thanks for the transcript, Mo - as someone who needs them, I really > appreciate subtitles/captions/transcripts. I reckon I should look into > getting http://www.jubler.org/ and > http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/presentation.php packaged sometime and > going on a feedback/bug-reporting spree for both + similar projects. > > --Mel > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 "Be yourself... Don't be anyone else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nacross at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 20:06:41 2009 From: nacross at gmail.com (Neville A. Cross) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:06:41 -0600 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B1423A5.9060703@redhat.com> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27a6293b0911300857r58df51eey7dfa81bcb910d512@mail.gmail.com> <1259601489.20904.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B1423A5.9060703@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Mel Chua wrote: >> Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like >> this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know, >> because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and >> discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other. >> Sweet! :) > > MEME TIME! > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting (I use Istanbul) > >> Here is the raw English transcript to translate: >> >> http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt > > So, ah... > > 0. It was great to see the one-page release notes get localized, and I've > heard some requests to try to get the Marketing stuff more i18n'd > 1. I'm trying to learn Spanish (and Chinese, for that matter, though it's > harder for me to translate things into Chinese). > 2. I figure this is as good a way as any to learn how to work with our > translation workflow. > > So, with a lot of help from Google Translate, I took 15 minutes and have... > http://mchua.fedorapeople.org/translations/es/5funthingsinf12-transcript-es.txt > > What should I do next? (Other than get someone to proofread/fix my Spanish.) > > Thanks for the transcript, Mo - as someone who needs them, I really > appreciate subtitles/captions/transcripts. I reckon I should look into > getting http://www.jubler.org/ and > http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/presentation.php packaged sometime and going > on a feedback/bug-reporting spree for both + similar projects. > > --Mel When I started as Ambassador, I was told to subscribe to this list. I have not join the marketing team yet, I intend to do so in January. But I have some time tonight, and I can use to correct the Spanish google translation. There are useful for another people understand what you are saying, but there are not good enough for distribution. If no one volunteer before, I can undertake this in about 5 hours. By the way, nice work! Best regards -- Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v Linux User # 473217 From gmaxwell at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 20:12:57 2009 From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:12:57 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2009/11/30 M?ir?n Duffy : > Hi, > I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. It's on YouTube > - I tried blip.tv and the upload kept stalling, so I split the video in > to and got it up on YouTube just so I could make it available more > quickly. > > http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ > Hope you enjoy, Unfortunately, one of the five fun things is not watching the five fun things videos in a stock fedora install. The site requires flash. ? If anyone doing fedora marketing wants to put up videos that don't require proprietary software to view, please feel free to drop me an email. I'd be glad to help, or if I'm too busy I can connect you with someone else willing and able to help. Supporting open video technology isn't especially hard, and it doesn't require losing compatibility with people still on proprietary platforms. ... though it is a little more involved than just dropping the videos on youtube. From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 30 20:21:40 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:21:40 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 15:12 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > 2009/11/30 M?ir?n Duffy : > > Hi, > > I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. It's on YouTube > > - I tried blip.tv and the upload kept stalling, so I split the video in > > to and got it up on YouTube just so I could make it available more > > quickly. > > > > http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ > > Hope you enjoy, > > Unfortunately, one of the five fun things is not watching the five fun > things videos in a stock fedora install. To be fair, the video is aimed at people who are not yet using Fedora. > The site requires flash. > > ? If anyone doing fedora marketing wants to put up videos that don't > require proprietary software to view, please feel free to drop me an > email. I'd be glad to help, or if I'm too busy I can connect you > with someone else willing and able to help. > > Supporting open video technology isn't especially hard, and it doesn't > require losing compatibility with people still on proprietary platforms. > ... though it is a little more involved than just dropping the videos > on youtube. I hope you didn't mean to hurt my feelings with your message because it could certainly be interpreted that way. As noted, the videos were created in Fedora 12 using PiTiVi. I attempted to encode them 3 times, for a total of 3 hours rendering time (I let the last one render overnight last night since I had wasted hours already) using an Ogg container, Theora video codecs, and Vorbis & Celt sound codecs. Every single time, the video rendered completely out-of-sync. Even though gstreamer was used to render it, it refused to play in gstreamer players, only playing in mplayer. I finally had to render it using an avi container / mpeg2 / mp3, and that only took 15 minutes to render. I attempted to upload it to blip.tv at first, as I already noted, and after 2 failed attempts (a total of 1 hour and 45 minutes of my time) I gave up and had it uploaded to YouTube in 30 minutes. Whenever I have to upload something to YouTube, I always make an ogv version available (you can see in my past blog posts where I've done this) but in this case it simply was not possible as it would not encode successfully. You can ask anyone who knows me - I am insanely religious about software freedom and codec freedom. After spending hours filming, editing, rendering, and uploading these video (I would guesstimate about 12 hours total, during my holiday vacation time) I became impatient and just wanted to share the video instead of putting myself through continued pain trying to do it the right way. Can you help me get this working with ogg & blip.tv? Is there a bug in PiTiVi or F12's theora / ogg / celt / vorbis encoders that resulted in my having such a poor experience? What do you suggest? I used all of the default settings in PiTiVi as I wasn't sure what encoder settings to tweak (and at ~1 hour rendering time per attempt making wild guesses would not be a prudent usage of my time.) ~m From mackay3 at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 20:47:59 2009 From: mackay3 at gmail.com (John Mackay) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:47:59 -0600 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5d88dfb00911301247v2b9dbf86n69bfb51b7c490efa@mail.gmail.com> I?ve also been looking for ogg support youtube-like alternative sites. and lol, wtf with the passive agressiveness? 2009/11/30 M?ir?n Duffy > On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 15:12 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > 2009/11/30 M?ir?n Duffy : > > > Hi, > > > I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. It's on YouTube > > > - I tried blip.tv and the upload kept stalling, so I split the video > in > > > to and got it up on YouTube just so I could make it available more > > > quickly. > > > > > > > http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ > > > Hope you enjoy, > > > > Unfortunately, one of the five fun things is not watching the five fun > > things videos in a stock fedora install. > > To be fair, the video is aimed at people who are not yet using Fedora. > > > The site requires flash. > > > > ? If anyone doing fedora marketing wants to put up videos that don't > > require proprietary software to view, please feel free to drop me an > > email. I'd be glad to help, or if I'm too busy I can connect you > > with someone else willing and able to help. > > > > Supporting open video technology isn't especially hard, and it doesn't > > require losing compatibility with people still on proprietary platforms. > > ... though it is a little more involved than just dropping the videos > > on youtube. > > I hope you didn't mean to hurt my feelings with your message because it > could certainly be interpreted that way. > > As noted, the videos were created in Fedora 12 using PiTiVi. I attempted > to encode them 3 times, for a total of 3 hours rendering time (I let the > last one render overnight last night since I had wasted hours already) > using an Ogg container, Theora video codecs, and Vorbis & Celt sound > codecs. Every single time, the video rendered completely out-of-sync. > Even though gstreamer was used to render it, it refused to play in > gstreamer players, only playing in mplayer. > > I finally had to render it using an avi container / mpeg2 / mp3, and > that only took 15 minutes to render. > > I attempted to upload it to blip.tv at first, as I already noted, and > after 2 failed attempts (a total of 1 hour and 45 minutes of my time) I > gave up and had it uploaded to YouTube in 30 minutes. Whenever I have to > upload something to YouTube, I always make an ogv version available (you > can see in my past blog posts where I've done this) but in this case it > simply was not possible as it would not encode successfully. > > You can ask anyone who knows me - I am insanely religious about software > freedom and codec freedom. After spending hours filming, editing, > rendering, and uploading these video (I would guesstimate about 12 hours > total, during my holiday vacation time) I became impatient and just > wanted to share the video instead of putting myself through continued > pain trying to do it the right way. > > Can you help me get this working with ogg & blip.tv? Is there a bug in > PiTiVi or F12's theora / ogg / celt / vorbis encoders that resulted in > my having such a poor experience? What do you suggest? I used all of the > default settings in PiTiVi as I wasn't sure what encoder settings to > tweak (and at ~1 hour rendering time per attempt making wild guesses > would not be a prudent usage of my time.) > > ~m > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gmaxwell at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 20:52:57 2009 From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:52:57 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: 2009/11/30 M?ir?n Duffy : > To be fair, the video is aimed at people who are not yet using Fedora. Understood. But it's poor sales for fedora when you use an approach which works less well for Fedora than it does for windows. Obviously excluding non-linux users is not an option. >> The site requires flash. >> >> ? ?If anyone doing fedora marketing wants to put up videos that don't >> require proprietary software to view, please feel free to drop me an >> email. I'd be glad to help, or if I'm too busy I can connect you >> with someone else willing and able to help. >> >> Supporting open video technology isn't especially hard, and it doesn't >> require losing compatibility with people still on proprietary platforms. >> ... though it is a little more involved than just dropping the videos >> on youtube. > > I hope you didn't mean to hurt my feelings with your message because it > could certainly be interpreted that way. ! No, I didn't. We all have important things to do with our time, there is no crime in not taking some step, even an easy one, when we think doing so will conserve some resources. I had no idea what your intentions were, only that the result required flash. I assumed that you simply were unaware of the issue and was trying to offer to help out, rather than just complaining that it ought to be done some other way. The point of saying that its easy is that I simply wanted to make the point that I'm not suggesting you undertake a super-human effort. Obviously I failed to account for the difficulties that you already had! > As noted, the videos were created in Fedora 12 using PiTiVi. I attempted > to encode them 3 times, for a total of 3 hours rendering time (I let the > last one render overnight last night since I had wasted hours already) > using an Ogg container, Theora video codecs, and Vorbis & Celt sound > codecs. Every single time, the video rendered completely out-of-sync. > Even though gstreamer was used to render it, it refused to play in > gstreamer players, only playing in mplayer. CELT? Celt is completely inapplicable for this use case. PiTiVi shouldn't be offering it. This bug sounds vaguely like what you experienced: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600215 One possible work around would be to render to high quality MJPEG in AVI (which is effectively lossless) plus PCM audio then use a tool like ffmpeg to Theora to transcode. [snip] > You can ask anyone who knows me - I am insanely religious about software > freedom and codec freedom. After spending hours filming, editing, > rendering, and uploading these video (I would guesstimate about 12 hours > total, during my holiday vacation time) I became impatient and just > wanted to share the video instead of putting myself through continued > pain trying to do it the right way. > > Can you help me get this working with ogg & blip.tv? Is there a bug in > PiTiVi or F12's theora / ogg / celt / vorbis encoders that resulted in > my having such a poor experience? What do you suggest? I used all of the > default settings in PiTiVi as I wasn't sure what encoder settings to > tweak (and at ~1 hour rendering time per attempt making wild guesses > would not be a prudent usage of my time.) There must be a bug, because the encoders alone are no less speedy than what you ended up using, at least not in any material way. I've never used pitivi before, but I'll install it and attempt to reproduce your issue. Could you possibly make your project file available to me if I'm unable to reproduce this with a trivial test case? From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 30 21:10:55 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:10:55 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <5d88dfb00911301247v2b9dbf86n69bfb51b7c490efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5d88dfb00911301247v2b9dbf86n69bfb51b7c490efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1259615455.20904.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 14:47 -0600, John Mackay wrote: > I?ve also been looking for ogg support youtube-like alternative > sites. blip.tv is a great one. I'm not sure why the upload kept stalling on me, that has never happened before. > > and lol, wtf with the passive agressiveness? I wish I knew. I've been around Fedora forever, and *I* felt discouraged. I can't imagine how a new contributor would feel, after pulling together the required initiative and hours of their free time to put something together and to get a reply like that.... ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 30 21:16:08 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn?= Duffy) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:16:08 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1259615768.20904.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 15:52 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > 2009/11/30 M?ir?n Duffy : > > To be fair, the video is aimed at people who are not yet using Fedora. > > Understood. But it's poor sales for fedora when you use an approach > which works less well for Fedora than it does for windows. > > Obviously excluding non-linux users is not an option. I don't use Windows. I use Fedora 12. I created the video and I can play the video fine. While I understand your point, it's not fair. Would it have been better for me to not produce the video at all? Because that's how I'm feeling now. > > As noted, the videos were created in Fedora 12 using PiTiVi. I attempted > > to encode them 3 times, for a total of 3 hours rendering time (I let the > > last one render overnight last night since I had wasted hours already) > > using an Ogg container, Theora video codecs, and Vorbis & Celt sound > > codecs. Every single time, the video rendered completely out-of-sync. > > Even though gstreamer was used to render it, it refused to play in > > gstreamer players, only playing in mplayer. > > CELT? Celt is completely inapplicable for this use case. PiTiVi > shouldn't be offering it. And I understand that completely. I was trying every free option available in an attempt to produce a video with clean codecs. > > This bug sounds vaguely like what you experienced: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600215 > > One possible work around would be to render to high quality MJPEG in AVI > (which is effectively lossless) plus PCM audio then use a tool like ffmpeg > to Theora to transcode. Thanks for the bug link. I did the former. I didn't have the time to do the latter. I was hoping to get the upload to blip.tv working as blip.tv can do the transcoding server-side. If you'd like to transcode it for me, that would be really helpful. > > Can you help me get this working with ogg & blip.tv? Is there a bug in > > PiTiVi or F12's theora / ogg / celt / vorbis encoders that resulted in > > my having such a poor experience? What do you suggest? I used all of the > > default settings in PiTiVi as I wasn't sure what encoder settings to > > tweak (and at ~1 hour rendering time per attempt making wild guesses > > would not be a prudent usage of my time.) > > There must be a bug, because the encoders alone are no less speedy than > what you ended up using, at least not in any material way. > > I've never used pitivi before, but I'll install it and attempt to reproduce > your issue. Could you possibly make your project file available to me if > I'm unable to reproduce this with a trivial test case? The project is 64 GB.... I can't think of any reasonable way to share that. But a trivial test case should be able to reproduce the issue. ~m From wonderer4711 at gmx.de Mon Nov 30 21:18:36 2009 From: wonderer4711 at gmx.de (wonderer) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:36 +0100 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4B1436AC.4040608@gmx.de> Hy, > I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. Great! I ask myself how long did it take overall to make it writting the transcript, recording the footage, pulling all together, etc. Because I had the idea "how about that some fedora people show the community how they work, what does their Desktop look like, what programms they use" in EXACTLY the way I saw in your video ;-) > It's on YouTube > - I tried blip.tv and the upload kept stalling, so I split the video in > to and got it up on YouTube just so I could make it available more > quickly. > Flash was for me no problem. best regards Henrik From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 30 21:52:27 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:52:27 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1259612500.20904.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4B143E9B.2040702@linuxgrrl.com> Gregory Maxwell wrote: > ! No, I didn't. We all have important things to do with our time, there > is no crime in not taking some step, even an easy one, when we think > doing so will conserve some resources. Hey, let's be fair. I tried to do it the right way from the start. It was far from easy. ~m From mairin at linuxgrrl.com Mon Nov 30 22:04:56 2009 From: mairin at linuxgrrl.com (=?UTF-8?B?TcOhaXLDrW4gRHVmZnk=?=) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:04:56 -0500 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: <4B1436AC.4040608@gmx.de> References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4B1436AC.4040608@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4B144188.5090104@linuxgrrl.com> wonderer wrote: > Hy, > > >> I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. > Great! > > I ask myself how long did it take overall to make it writting the > transcript, recording the footage, pulling all together, etc. > > Because I had the idea "how about that some fedora people show the > community how they work, what does their Desktop look like, what > programms they use" in EXACTLY the way I saw in your video ;-) It took around 12 hours, but it could have taken 6 or less if I didn't end up having so many problems encoding it and uploading it. Everything through editing the clips together and adding titles was very straightforward. But it was extremely painful and time-consuming to render them, and very difficult to upload them. (Even YouTube failed the first 3 tries. The first try because the video was over 10 minutes, so I had to split it and re-render it, then upload again.) If we want to make a drive for this I think we need to get the bugs in the encoders fixed, and we should also decide on a proper place to host the videos (I will say YouTube's caption feature is great - I didn't have to set up time stamps at all and it's very close to being in-sync) and have some documentation for getting the uploaded and working with some troubleshooting information. E.g. a nice step-by-step guide.... ~m From phrkonaleash at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 22:05:47 2009 From: phrkonaleash at gmail.com (Ryan Rix) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:05:47 -0700 Subject: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12 In-Reply-To: References: <1259598771.20904.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200911301505.58269.phrkonaleash@gmail.com> On Mon 30 November 2009 1:12:57 pm Gregory Maxwell wrote: > The site requires flash. > > ? If anyone doing fedora marketing wants to put up videos that don't > require proprietary software to view, please feel free to drop me an > email. I'd be glad to help, or if I'm too busy I can connect you > with someone else willing and able to help. The last time I checked (read: Last night), VLC could play youtube links when passed the http://youtube.com/watch url from the command line, and that gnash played them in browser, both with the free-but-patent-encumbered codecs in rpmfusion-free. So, no, you don't need proprietary software to view youtube. I use VLC with youtube links daily. I too have had some bad experiences with blip.tv's upload service trying to get ABLEconf videos online. Blip.tv may be more Freedom oriented, but when it comes down to it, youtube+an ogv direct download accomplishes the same thing with much less effort :( Awesome videos, M?ir?n. Almost enough to inspire me to put my own ugly mug onscreen ;-) -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash at gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash at yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh at irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: